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Murasaki Midori
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Posted - 2006.12.26 08:37:00 -
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htf do you tell what the optimal me/pe should be if I wanted to research a blueprint? people seem to say this number or that number is good for researching, but in all honesty, is there a formula for it? i'm completely clueless. |
Lurtz
Caldari Gunrunners and Gamblers
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Posted - 2006.12.26 08:52:00 -
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ok here goes, all prints have a number which is the absolute minimum requirements.
say for example you have a SmurgleBlasterÖ I bpo
to build a SmurgleBlasterÖ requires
10 megacyte 100 zydrine 200 noxcium 500 isogen 1000 pyerite 2500 tritanium
an off the shelf bpo will add 10% waste factor to this and will need
11 110 220 550 1100 2750
each level of material research will reduce the waste as follows. Waste = 10% x 1/(1+me)
so 1 research will reduce the waste to 5% ( 10% x 1/(1+1)) 2 " " " " " " 3.33% (10% x 1/(1+2)
etc. so the maximum useful ME level would be the point at which any minerals waste is reduced to less than 1/2 a unit of the mineral.
this happens at 1/5 of the highest mineral requirement.
In the above example if the print were researched to ME 2, there would be no megacyte required beyond the base 10. the requirements would be
10 103 207 etc.
at me 20 the zyd wase would drop to 0 etc.
I usually aim for most prints to reduce the mega zyd and nocx waste to 0. Obviously there are diminishing returns, is it really woth putting a print in a lab an extra week to save 2 units of trit. not really. Find the numbers that work for you.
I don't have the formula for Time, but imagine there is a baseline time and research moves it closer to, but never below it similar to mineral research.
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Murasaki Midori
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Posted - 2006.12.26 11:19:00 -
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so, if I wanted to research a SmurgleBlaster blueprint to the point where I wouldn't lose any isogen in waste, the appropriate ME level to research it to would be 100? 500 isogen, 1/5 of that is 100.
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Ray McCormack
BIG
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Posted - 2006.12.26 11:38:00 -
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flaming phantom
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Posted - 2006.12.27 00:05:00 -
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plz tell me, to get 1 me is that 1 run for material efficiey research or do i have to do more or less runs for 1 me lvl?
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flaming phantom
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Posted - 2006.12.27 00:09:00 -
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Edited by: flaming phantom on 27/12/2006 00:11:10 im sorry but it still dosnt make any sence to me, will some1 explain to me in depth the optimnal me for a bane torpedo bpo, were right now it cost me:
900 pyreite 4027 tritanium 7 zydrine
its still at lvl 0, and i just dont know how good i should make it, most notably so there is no zydrine waste if posssible
so correct me if im wrong but at lvl 1 i will have 1 zydrine waste, but lvl 2 will have .21 waste, so therefore no waste watsoever?
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Murasaki Midori
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Posted - 2006.12.27 05:11:00 -
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bump
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Sandeep
Caldari Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2006.12.27 10:13:00 -
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Bane Torpedo
Research time: 10.67 hours
Default wastage: 10%
Materials: Tritanium x 3692 Pyerite x 825 Zydrine x 7 --
Step 1: Convert to perfect ME material cost. 3692 / 1.1 = 3356 825 / 1.1 = 750 7 / 1.1 = 6
Step 2: Divide by 5 and round down 3356 / 5 = 671 750 / 5 = 150 7 / 5 = 1
Step 3: Find the material type you want to have zero waste, and/or balance against time. Remember, when you are researching a BPO, you are not building with it. Balance your research time and build time Trit: 671 x 10.67 hr = nearly 300 days Pyer: 150 x 10.67 hr = over 2 months Zyd: 1 x 10.67 hr = 10.67 hr
Also: ME 5: Waste < 2.0% ME 10: Waste < 1.0% ME 20: Waste < 0.5%
On the other hand, training to Production Efficiency 5 is recommended if you are into building.
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RaTTuS
BIG R i s e
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Posted - 2006.12.27 11:46:00 -
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ME5 and PE3 are a good basic start - more does not really help that much -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal | RaTTuS @ Skills Showroom
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.27 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS ME5 and PE3 are a good basic start - more does not really help that much
In some cases, such as Microwave S - ME of 0 is perfect. --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE |
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2006.12.27 22:53:00 -
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The more expensive the item you're making the higher the ME you'll want.
When dealing with ships for example you are dealing with 1000's of even Zyd/Mega. So getting upwards of 30 ME isn't a waste if you don't mind the time it will take to get the BPO's to that point.
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Murasaki Midori
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Posted - 2006.12.28 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Murasaki Midori so, if I wanted to research a SmurgleBlaster blueprint to the point where I wouldn't lose any isogen in waste, the appropriate ME level to research it to would be 100? 500 isogen, 1/5 of that is 100.
bump.
can i pls get confirmation on this. this is my thread after all
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Wyehr
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Posted - 2006.12.28 18:54:00 -
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Yes, 100 ME would be remove all Isogen waste.
Waste = Base * .1 / (1+ME)
500 * .1/(101) = .4950
.4950 rounds down to 0
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Vasiliyan
PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.29 22:00:00 -
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ML calculator to help you
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Shakuul
Caldari The Imperial Commonwealth The Sundering
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Posted - 2006.12.30 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle The more expensive the item you're making the higher the ME you'll want.
When dealing with ships for example you are dealing with 1000's of even Zyd/Mega. So getting upwards of 30 ME isn't a waste if you don't mind the time it will take to get the BPO's to that point.
Do the math, but I'm fairly sure its almost never worth it to research above ME 10 if you use it for manufacturing. Of course, if you want to make BPCs, for some stupid reason people pay a premium for ME 50 or whatever BPCs, even they are only saving like 800k over a significantly cheaper ME 10 BPC.
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Wildwa
Shadow Command
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Posted - 2006.12.31 05:47:00 -
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Does the SmurgleBlaster I go into a low slot?
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