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Divine Entervention
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Posted - 2015.10.15 17:42:34 -
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Excellent, this is a great idea.
Thanks CCP. |
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Posted - 2015.10.15 17:49:16 -
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And it's great because no one can say it makes EvE Pay to win because according to the hive mind, skill points don't define success, player ability does.
This will just give those of us who started later the ability to play now. |
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Posted - 2015.10.15 17:56:01 -
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CCP something to think about regarding the extractors and packets:
Please balance the extractors so it's a little bit more worth it to use it over a skill packet?
Like if extracting a skill ends up resulting in the same yield of SP compared to a skill packet, then what will be the point of a skill extractor other than a noob trap?
I've got a tengu pilot with like 3 million SP tied up in BC's I'll never use. |
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:02:01 -
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Also here's another thing this will help address:
When you're joining the game you can only fly the very bottom ships. Frigates. Now your character immediately begins training, and you ask people for advice, "what do I do?" They respond back with something like, pick a ship y ou want to fly and train for it! Go download EvE mon and plot your skill training queue so you can hop into that Widow you say you want to fly in!.
OK kind sir, thank you very much for pointing me in the right direction. I will tailor my skill queue so I may get into that widow!.
6 months goes by and now I can get into this widow.
But you know what? This ship sucks. I don't want to be in the widow. I can't believe I just spent all this time training to get into a widow and now that I'm here, it's not even enjoyable for me.
This will alleviate that dilemma. |
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:03:51 -
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Skilo wrote:I've been playing this game since 2003
I'm a proud "owner" of a multi million skill point char who took me 12 years to get
To imagine someone can now just join eve and buy it of with real money will make me unsub all my accounts
I've been with CCP for the good times and the bad times but for this i will not!!!!
Hey i can stop playing for 1 year and if i decide to return get the euros i saved and buy all the skill points i've "lost"
IF i decide to return ofc
Want to take the risk CCP?
I'm sure i'm not the only one thinking the same way
Why will it make you want to unsub?
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:19:16 -
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a guy I know asked me, "how's eve?"
Knowing he was possibly interested in joining the game to play it with me, and me being a completely honest person I had to immediately approach the situation with truth.
"it's fun, but I've had this guy subbed for 8 months now and I'm just now getting to the point where I will soon be able to properly fly only a small fraction of available ships with the proper skills."
I can't recommend the game to him and others because I know he wont be able to actually do things with me and be a fair contributor to my goals for almost a year.
I'm egotistical and narcissistic and #thebest and all, but even I can't lie to a friend and try tricking him into joining the game when I know full well that he will be disappointed with the options available to him.
At least now I'll be able to tell him, "join now and we can grind you isk for a month and be able to start buying skills to help you get to where I am and we can both fly around space dominating dudes together". |
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:40:20 -
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Niraia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:a guy I know asked me, "how's eve?"
Knowing he was possibly interested in joining the game to play it with me, and me being a completely honest person I had to immediately approach the situation with truth.
"it's fun, but I've had this guy subbed for 8 months now and I'm just now getting to the point where I will soon be able to properly fly only a small fraction of available ships with the proper skills."
I can't recommend the game to him and others because I know he wont be able to actually do things with me and be a fair contributor to my goals for almost a year.
I'm egotistical and narcissistic and #thebest and all, but even I can't lie to a friend and try tricking him into joining the game when I know full well that he will be disappointed with the options available to him.
At least now I'll be able to tell him, "join now and we can grind you isk for a month and be able to start buying skills to help you get to where I am and we can both fly around space dominating dudes together". If you aren't having fun now, you probably won't have fun with lots of SP either. It's your attitude that leads to bullshit game design and stupid ideas like this. Thanks.
Incorrect, but nice try.
you're welcome |
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:01:16 -
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How does my being able to buy skill points for myself negatively impact you? |
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:29:15 -
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Guys, take a step back and calm down.
This isn't that big of a deal.
There's way too much hyperbole and ad-hominem attacks flying around here.
You're all acting incredibly irrational and are letting your emotional attachments to arbitrary numbers influence you into acting in a manner that portrays your true selves in a way you'd probably not want to be perceived.
It's OK. It doesn't hurt veterans except for their egos and sense of entitlement.
This isn't taking ANYTHING away from anyone, it's only giving more to those who don't have.
And if you only feel valuable because of your skill point advantage, then SHAME ON YOU. People who won't let others have simply because they want to say they have more are one of the major reasons our world is such a ****** place.
Stop being so God damned selfish. |
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:50:33 -
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Delegate wrote: This game has a relatively mature players, many of whom will not go well with such ruthless monetization of game experience and trivialization of character development.
They don't sound like a relatively mature player base if their instinct is to stomp their feet and scream for mommy and daddy CCP to make the boogey man under the bed go away.
This is a change that hurts no one in any way other than perpetually sad, angry people no longer feeling like the special snowflakes they tricked themselves into thinking they are.
Get undumb, bad at life noobs.
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Posted - 2015.10.16 00:23:00 -
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Moac Tor wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:I have 123 million SP currently. That means if I buy a 500,000 SP packet I get just 50,000 SP to allocate. It is generally a horrible deal unless I become grotesquely rich in game. It is not the high SP characters that anyone with sense is really worried about. It is the day old newbies and alts that can effectively level up instantly to 50mil SP+. Blizzard allowed characters to instantly level in WOW and we can all see how that turned out.
Yea but that game inherently sucks.
EvE is a great game not because of the way you acquire skill points, but because of the cut-throat nature of the game and the really intricate interactions you can have with others playing the game.
My being able to buy skill points to now fly a caldari battleship appropriately isn't going to detract from the nature of the game. If anything, it reinforces it by allowing me to fly a more expensive ship instead of having to wait 4 more months for all those skills to finally level where I can feel confident enough in my fitting ability to actually fly it, getting that ship into existence and available for you and your friends to try to blow up. |
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Posted - 2015.10.16 01:16:36 -
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For years, the Veteran Mantra shouted at noobs who complain about needing skillpoints to win has been:
"Skill points don't equal winning!" "quit crying about not having high SP! SP is practically MEANINGLESS! What's important is your player skill and knowledge!"
So like, why all the crying now?
Apparently TO YOU, you've told us for years that skill points were practically meaningless. . . . So why do you cause such a fuss, literally oceans worth of tears over how now this what you referred to as meaningless facet of eve is now becoming more available?
Were you lying before?
Since you obviously lied before, does that mean you're probably lying now?
Essentially what it boils down to is you're too irrational and devious for the rest of us to bother listening to. Your opinion is worthless because your only purpose of expressing it is to try and manipulate the rest of us into thinking your selfishness is actually altruism. |
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Posted - 2015.10.16 01:50:52 -
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Estevan Andrard wrote:Again the categorical thinking.
Time playing has no meaning aswell. Nothing has meaning by itself. You cannot use determinism here, as you cant anywhere else, but people still do.
It is the combo of all things that makes this idea bad. By itself it is a good idea. If nothing else was in play, sure, it is just one more way for people to get drunk on SP and bolster their confidence into ill conceived pvp moves, or sitting on a battleship you have no idea of placement or fitting.
The problem is EVE is not World of Warships. You dont simply reset your stats upon ending a bout.
Skill points define as much as the ability to fit slots, speed, agility and HP in a single ship, and that is too much. A high SP clever built char can fit ship that no fit able lesser sp pilot could. In short, it is not possible for a pilot with a number of SP to fly and use a ship to the same power a higher sp pilot can. No matter how skilled the pilot IRL is. That does not mean SP means something by itself.
A newly bought char of golden ratio, skills for cruiser t3 pvp fitted and core skilled to oblivion, in the hands of a lookyloo plex buyer, who just loled on playing EVE, will most likely to be podded by a assault frigate in the hands of a bored veteran. That does not mean IRL experience accounts for much.
The important issue here is what both do together. Once you implement prosthetic experience or sp mechanics, you are not benefiting either case, you are just benefiting the skilled veteran forged in battle who will take advantage of both and be able to easly kill either.
Yes but when that new character loses his t3 with perfect skills to a bored veteran, he'll know it wasn't a skill point issue but instead a lack of his own personal ability.
This will mean he cannot blame his loss on his needing another year's worth of training and then right there deciding it's not worth the time just to check and see if maybe he can be good enough. He'll get to immediately begin working on how to make sure his issue does not happen again, taking part in an active learning process rather than a "well I guess I'll just have to wait and see." |
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Posted - 2015.10.16 01:57:51 -
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Marech Bhayanaka wrote:The only thing that makes the loooooong wait for skills to train bearable, is the knowledge that every other character was made exactly the same way. Make it possible to buy SP and suddenly everyone who cannot afford them will feel like a second class citizen, watching new characters fly past them in abilities.
Even if the number of people actually doing it is small, the perception will be large. Don't underestimate how this will destroy the feeling of accomplishment people have when they get each new level 5, or how the wait for their next one will seem intolerable when they know others are paying to bypass it.
Marech.
Passage of time happens without any human intervention at all.
The "sense of accomplishment" for simply letting time exist and take place makes no sense since it would have happened with or without you.
Using "time" as the basis for accessibility is ********. That would be like saying whoever the oldest person alive is the one who gets to rule the world because since he's simply existed longest, he's entitled to the best of the best benefits.
lol @ the idea of "hooray I did nothing except wait and I'm rewarded!!!!"
haha that's so insane. |
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Posted - 2015.10.16 02:13:02 -
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This gives new players an actual reason, an actual object to strive for to further their progression.
They can subscribe, then go farm isk for the purpose of using it to buy skill points to level their characters faster.
Instead of subscribe and wait for a year, they can subscribe and play a ****-ton of EvE being out in the game actively playing, using their activity to acquire an actual benefit. Using the actual desirable reward of leveling their character as incentive to want to spend more time actively pursuing it.
Sure, just as it's possible to purchase a subscription with dollars, it's also possible to purchase a subscription with isk. This adds another benefit to the new player, something he wants.
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Posted - 2015.10.16 02:41:24 -
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Estevan Andrard wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:This gives new players an actual reason, an actual object to strive for to further their progression.
They can subscribe, then go farm isk for the purpose of using it to buy skill points to level their characters faster.
Instead of subscribe and wait for a year, they can subscribe and play a ****-ton of EvE being out in the game actively playing, using their activity to acquire an actual benefit. Using the actual desirable reward of leveling their character as incentive to want to spend more time actively pursuing it.
Sure, just as it's possible to purchase a subscription with dollars, it's also possible to purchase a subscription with isk. This adds another benefit to the new player, something he wants.
Yeah, they can just join EVE, buy themselves some SPs, go out, be blown up by those with the SP AND the actual skill in pvp, and ragequit because they spent money in a meaningless SP prosthetics instead of actually learning by doing. Again, it is easy to think with a veteran head what good to newbies is somethings. As an alt producer, I am always doing career and low sp stuff. Even if you have the experience to perform, the lack of SP makes you actually reconsider and even learn something new lots of times. If I am just able of use my own devices to produce an army of SP filled zombies, that is what it will endup being full of. And the new players making use of it to advance quickly will just join the grinder sooner, and a much worse blob grinder I faced with my new alts. It is the cascading effect. I am not saying the idea is bad for the rookies, I am saying it will create more problems for them and everyone else than it solves.
So it's quit eve because they never get to play it due to not having the skill points, or they quit because they die.
At least one involves them actually playing it. |
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Posted - 2015.10.16 03:30:15 -
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The logic behind people saying they're going to quit is mind-boggling.
Ugggghhhh MORE people to compete with, no thanks.
Why are you playing an MMO when the prospect of more competition, more interaction leads you to want to pack up and go home?
cuz ur bad and the only chance you ever stood was thanks to your "i got here first" advantage. |
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Posted - 2015.10.16 09:10:57 -
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Great idea CCP +1 thanks for opening the game up a bit more to allow more people to enjoy themselves.
Will probably be looked back as one of the greatest changes EvE ever made once all the tin-foil hat doomsday preppers realize this isn't Y2K. |
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Posted - 2015.10.16 09:24:15 -
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No one is going to force you to give up your skill points.
If you don't want other people to buy your skill points, well then you don't have to extract them for sale.
Giving a veteran an opportunity to make a choice that not only benefits him self isk-financially but whomever decides to trade that fair amount to receive the product is only a win-win for everyone involved.
The only people who incorrectly think there is any negative are those who are imagining that their own skill point totals are some how going to become devalued.
My getting to have more skill points isn't going to make your already collected SP any less valuable. |
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Posted - 2015.10.16 09:40:44 -
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So there isn't anything really wrong with the change, it's just "principle"?
Like, it's a great change that will most definitely result in alot more newer players trying the game and possibly sticking around long enough for us all to enjoy some new content via interaction with different people.
But because the idea is similar to pay to win, even though it's been established that it's not pay to win since skill points do not equal winning, we're revolting against it?
So the United States of America is blowing up Hospitals. All western countries are spying on and collecting data on all of their citizens for whatever nefarious purposes they can dream up. . .
But this is where we draw the line? This is the topic that gets the spergers blood boiling?
An idea that we correlate to pay to win, even though it's not, but we say it is because money is involved?
How silly. People like you are why I have such a superiority complex. |
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Posted - 2015.10.16 09:52:30 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:No one is going to force you to give up your skill points.
If you don't want other people to buy your skill points, well then you don't have to extract them for sale.
Giving a veteran an opportunity to make a choice that not only benefits him self isk-financially but whomever decides to trade that fair amount to receive the product is only a win-win for everyone involved.
The only people who incorrectly think there is any negative are those who are imagining that their own skill point totals are some how going to become devalued.
My getting to have more skill points isn't going to make your already collected SP any less valuable. The backlash is based purely on your own improperly imagined sense of self-importance. It is funny that you actually think you or your newbro friends will somehow benefit from this at all. While you are still celebrating about something you have no idea about how it will impact the game we already make plans how to gut that system if it actually hits the servers. All the ingredients to this, SP and massive amounts of ISK, are in the hands of old players. All you have to look forward too are massive PLEX prices and SP you are too pore to purchase. Sucks to be you.
So then you prove your intentions are set to serve no one but your own. Therefore any opinion you offer one way or the other is tainted by your impure personage relegating your opinion as nothing but manipulation for your sole benefit at the expense of others.
Thanks for exposing the truth about yourself so we know not to listen to what you try to say.
lol @ pore |
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Posted - 2015.10.16 09:55:18 -
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Don ZOLA wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:So there isn't anything really wrong with the change, it's just "principle"?
Like, it's a great change that will most definitely result in alot more newer players trying the game and possibly sticking around long enough for us all to enjoy some new content via interaction with different people.
But because the idea is similar to pay to win, even though it's been established that it's not pay to win since skill points do not equal winning, we're revolting against it?
So the United States of America is blowing up Hospitals. All western countries are spying on and collecting data on all of their citizens for whatever nefarious purposes they can dream up. . .
But this is where we draw the line? This is the topic that gets the spergers blood boiling?
An idea that we correlate to pay to win, even though it's not, but we say it is because money is involved?
How silly. People like you are why I have such a superiority complex. Stop being ignorant for a start and read arguments people write and stop repeating bs.
I can say this exact same thing to you and it will be just as true, and probably more so.
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Posted - 2015.10.16 10:06:13 -
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Don ZOLA wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Don ZOLA wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:So there isn't anything really wrong with the change, it's just "principle"?
Like, it's a great change that will most definitely result in alot more newer players trying the game and possibly sticking around long enough for us all to enjoy some new content via interaction with different people.
But because the idea is similar to pay to win, even though it's been established that it's not pay to win since skill points do not equal winning, we're revolting against it?
So the United States of America is blowing up Hospitals. All western countries are spying on and collecting data on all of their citizens for whatever nefarious purposes they can dream up. . .
But this is where we draw the line? This is the topic that gets the spergers blood boiling?
An idea that we correlate to pay to win, even though it's not, but we say it is because money is involved?
How silly. People like you are why I have such a superiority complex. Stop being ignorant for a start and read arguments people write and stop repeating bs. I can say this exact same thing to you and it will be just as true, and probably more so. You can say, but the difference is that i have made numerous arguments against this and you did not manage to counter a single one. All you do is just repeat this is great idea and that it will be great benefit. I challenged that multiple times, yet it seems your superiority complex does not allow you to get in "fight' where you can lose so you stick to spamming same bs. Edit: so just you saying it will not make it true at all, it will just make you look dumb ;)
It's not pay to win. Skill points don't equal winning.
If anything, buying PLEX is MORE pay to win because with tons of ISK from selling PLEX, you can pay an entire alliance to kick another alliance out of their home.
I don't see you crying on the forums about my ability to spend $10000 on plex and paying mercenaries to hellcamp others out of the game.
This isn't pay to win, at all.
It's like spending money to buy a new dress to wear to the big dance. O that Raven show cases my attributes much better than this incurses does. I'll be sure to have all the boys looking at my killboard if I wear that!
This entire thread is just full of a bunch of non-sensical crying about how the sky is falling. . . . but we're in space! There's no sky. It's just more space followed by more space, except now we're going to see people who've been playing for only 3 months flying around in ships that use to take 8 months to fly.
It's not a big deal. It doesn't change anything and the thought that it does is plain and simple a testament to yours and everyone else who agrees with your sentiment that you're irrational and over reacting at the mere thought of change, even though it's a change for the better.
Your crying is the same as dudes in 1956 crying about how back in their day it use to take them 3 weeks to drive across country and sure, now with the new interstate system it only takes 1, but by-golly it just ain't right dammit! If it was only suppose to take a few days to drive across the country, it would've only took that long back when I use to do it when I was a wee lad! |
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Posted - 2015.10.16 10:40:28 -
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Rather than buying skill points, personally I would rather new players be able to complete missions that involved traveling into low and null sec space to accomplish it's objectives, whatever those objectives may be.
Ship specific missions that offered your choice of rewards towards that ships specific "mastery level" in skill point allocation.
So lets say I want to fly a Drake. I go to one of the NPC agents that offer Drake missions. I put down my ISK desposit, like 70 million and I get to fly around this drake with it's mastery level 1, 2, 3 whatever gets decided as the baseline. I get sent to low sec to do a mission chain.
While I'm doing this mission chain I get experience with the drake. I get an idea of a possible fit that indicates at least an idea of how the ship is suppose to be flown. If I complete the mission, I get skill points towards being able to fly one of my own accord whenever and however I want.
This will allow me and anyone else doing these missions for whatever ship they've chosen to get to know if continuing down the path of training for it is indeed something we want to do. Also, it gets us out into the game in dangerous situations really seeing what the game offers. It puts us out in the field so others can try to stop us from accomplishing our objectives. If we get destroyed, we lose the deposit. If we don't complete the mission in time, the ship gets repo'd and we have to limp back to wherever we choose to go in a noob ship or capsule.
Times change, and if the game doesn't change, it wont grow. We already see it's not growing anymore. It's not even stagnant. The numbers are declining (debatable but not going to debate it). This is a drastic change, and CCP is probably considering it because drastic times call for desperate measures.
It's nice that the game has held together so well over the years, but nothing lasts forever. Instead of rolling over and accepting a slow death, CCP is showing it has the balls to make big changes to the core constructs of the game in an effort to give us what we all really want: A more populated EvE.
Now if people would stop threatening to quit or actually quitting the game, a fun game, over silly ideals and principles that ultimately do not negatively effect anything other than their egos and perception of how they personally feel the game should be, then we would stand a real chance at convincing all those newbros who've stepped away to come back and give it another shot.
Throttle back on the knee jerk reactions because Change scares you.
Things are always changing, and the ability to do so is what separates the living from the dead. |
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Posted - 2015.10.16 10:59:11 -
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His point is stupid.
He's saying that because the character that was being trained was adhering to a CCP designated "speed limit" as to how many skill points it was possible to gain per hour, that when I purchase that character via char bazaar it's some how the defacto difference that determines allowable and unallowable.
But when it comes down to it, I'm still personally spending zero time involved with that characters training, so to me, that character is essentially born out of nothing and coming into my ownership with no time cost.
Now his point is "someone had to spend that amount of time administering the training queue" and since it leveled at a finite rate, it's special and OK. But an equivalent amount of possible time within the confines of the speed limit was expended by SOMEONE when a specific character is now benefiting from increased SP thanks to a skill extractor.
His issue seems to be in some backwards separation between character and owner. That even though I can buy a character without my having spent zero time nuturing it's training, that it's OK compared to my spending zero time using someone else's skill points they've sold me to level up one specific character.
It's dumb |
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Posted - 2015.10.16 11:06:08 -
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You know how people are always arguing in that one thread that has like 200 pages about EVE DECLINE RAMPANT?
Where half the dudes are like, it's dying! and the other half are like, "no it's not you have no proof!"
Well uhhhhhhhhhh
this is kind of proof that the "eve is dying" guys are right, dontcha think?
So instead of making matters worse by adversely reacting to the change being adminstered by the people who's very lives rely upon the success of this game via threatening to quit and spewing vitriol, you throttle back a bit and let Jesus, I mean CCP take the wheel on this one?
Obviously game isn't doing so well, so a change is needed. EvE can't retain new players, proven by their willingness to make such a drastic change in an effort to entice new players into wanting to give this game another go and the means to reach a level where they can personally feel satisfied with their ability to perform/contribute in a meaningful manner that convinces them to stick around and become long term subscribers to the beauty this game offers via personal interaction with others flying ships in space.
It doesn't actually hurt any of you. You're just imagining that it will. |
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Posted - 2015.10.16 11:16:23 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:TO THOSE SUPPORTING THIS:
If you think SP-trading makes sense, why not take all the Aurum crap out of the equation and make everything super simple?
1. You can drain SP from any character, anytime; why should we need for rip-off 'extractors'???
2. The SP you drain becomes freely tradable in any way and on a unit basis, just like any other item (think ammo, for example)
3. You can freely apply this SP to any character, anytime; why should we need for rip-off 'applicators'???
4. SP drained-to-SP available ratio to be defined. Just as an example, say you get 1 freely usable SP for every 5 you drain. So draining 500,000 SP gives you 50,000 SP that you're free to trade, give away, sell, use yourself. I'm sure CCP and/or character bazaar experts can come up with a better ratio
5. The Jita price per SP will be freely set by the players. It's a sandbox! Or you can give them out for free or charge whatever you wish.
Not sure this is a good idea gameplay-wise, but isn't it definitely better than the proposed system?
If you think SP draining/trading/selling/injecting is a good idea, why the hell does CCP need to profit from this addition to the gameplay?
This pretty much sums up my point of view I guess. I'm more or less neutral to the SP-trading idea, but what I definitely don't like is the Aurum part, that just makes it needlessly shady.
O great, an extreme.
Or lets go the opposite!
Lets make it so you only get 1 skill point a day! Also, quadruple the training timers for everything!
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Posted - 2015.10.16 17:35:21 -
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At first I couldn't understand why so many people were against this so vehemently.
Then I was reminded that EvE has a player base that consists of many people who are autistic.
Then I felt dumb for trying to reason with them, for they do not understand and process things like us "normies" do.
Poor guys, so wrong and no chance to ever really know or understand it. |
Divine Entervention
Rational Chaos Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic
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Posted - 2015.10.18 17:23:29 -
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So I read an article on the internet and it said something along the lines of, anyone who is against this change is really just projecting their emotional insecurities and are letting their irrationalities manifest themselves because they as people have zero self-control.
But it's OK, because we, the deciders, understand you're incapable of logical thought so we know to just ignore the things you say and write your name down on The List.
Great change CCP, way to take the initiative in saving EvE. |
Divine Entervention
Rational Chaos Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic
706
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Posted - 2015.10.18 23:10:08 -
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M must stand for manipulative cuz we all know you care for no one but yourself and image. |
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Divine Entervention
Rational Chaos Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic
706
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Posted - 2015.10.19 02:32:56 -
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A good feature that will benefit the many should not be denied existence because it might be exploited by the few.
Any who say it should is without-a-doubt a downie.
Prove to me the levels of your retardation. |
Divine Entervention
Rational Chaos Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic
706
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Posted - 2015.10.19 03:10:59 -
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There's quite a few things I would like to do much more effectively but cannot due to SP limitations.
Sure, I can do them now but since the act is balanced around max skill, it's terribly inefficient thus making it extremely hasslesome and barely accomplishable.
Because I cannot do these things in a manner that is enjoyable, I do not do them as often as I feel I would if it were possible to do them how CCP intended them to be done, at the required skills maximum level.
Because most of the things I want to do, I cannot, it means the few things I can do result in my not doing much most of the time.
Granted, if there's nothing I want to do available at that time, I can always alt tab and play league of legends or civ 5 while I sit in station on comms waiting for opportunities to present themselves. . . . .
But that doesn't seem like too great of a solution, go play other games, now does it?
And this is with my 10mil SP. Imagine how the n00bs 3-4 months in are faring. I bet they're all diamond level now.3+256+84+8+
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Divine Entervention
Rational Chaos Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic
707
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Posted - 2015.10.19 07:00:58 -
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player B hasn't had the joy of all the time spent experiencing the greatness EvE has to offer.
You guys keep trying to punish us for not having joined the party as soon as you did, but that in of itself is a punishment.
Missing out on all the great stories we hear about is already bad enough.
And we're not getting these skill points for free. In one fashion or another we have to PAY for them.
Stop being so greedy and share the game with the rest of us. |
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