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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.15 16:23:49 -
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If I give you (CCP) enough money, can I have all the skill points available in the game please.
The proposed idea is so bad, it is funny, even funnier than the 'loot spew' idea a couple of years ago, but with much worse consequences for the game.
CCP should just get the begging bowl out, it would go down better with the players.
Lordy...
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:30:44 -
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It is clear that the majority pf posters are very much against this idea, which means that CCP rather than dropping the daft idea, will offer to tweak it.
After eight years in the game, I finally and with great sadness, get to say, "Eve is dying" and mean it if CCP persist with this hare-brained scheme.
Oh dear...
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.15 19:36:28 -
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Sharps wrote:I like this idea. I'm a new player and I'm willing to pay a little extra to be able to do the things I want to do.
You 10 year vets who have won Eve by PLEXing all your accounts and playing for free, why wouldn't you want me to give CCP my money? They have to get RL money from somewhere, and I sure as hell ain't buying SKINs.
I have never bought a PLEX nor used the character bazaar.
Annual sub all the way.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.16 06:42:59 -
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Avanda Redblade wrote:This thread is such a depressing read.
As it stands, a new player can NEVER catch up to someone who happened to start playing earlier. Surely you all see that this is becoming more and more of a problem to new players as time goes by?
I just want to play the game. I can't join a half-decent corp until I have 15 or 25 mil SP or whatever. This suggestion would help to enable me to start PLAYING the game rather than just logging in to check skills every few days. I just want to spend the same money on SP instead of subs and start playing sooner. I have played before and know it is worth waiting for but many will not.
The strength of the opinions of the older players should also be factored down by the diminishing returns mentioned in the blog. The mentality of these old gits is to keep their "rightful" place in society and do whatever they can to prevent any new characters becoming as famous as the old empire builders or legendary FCs.
I am in favour of this proposal to remove the most rusty nail of all from Eve's coffin-to-be.
I played from day one of my Eve career and had a great time doing so.
Make the most of the skill points you have whilst learning about the game.
Hell, I mined in an Iteron 3 - about an hour to fill it, if I remember correctly, and spent a lot of time chatting to older players in local who were unfailingly helpful.
- I want 25m skill point today, - will soon become I want to fly a Titan from day one.
This is probably the worse idea CCP have ever come up with...
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.16 11:27:34 -
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This idea seems to me to be more about CCP needing money (less folk logging on - see Eve-offline.net) than 'improving' the game.
They should just pass a tin-foil hat around and ask the players to donate some money as thay see fit.
Of course, CCP could just introduce and improve gameplay to both keep old players and attract new ones.
Sometimes, the obvious course is actually the best course of action.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.16 17:08:25 -
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General Lootit wrote:Laodell wrote:When I joined Eve everyone had the same start on life. We were all equal to build our empire. Trading SP destroys that
When I joined Eve(about 25 days ago) most of players has much more SP than me and I have no chance at all to catch them what ever I do.
Your point being...?
A frigate for example, can only utilise a set number of skill points, once you have them you are on a par (skill wise) with someone who started on day one of Eve-Online.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:50:48 -
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This whole 'having to wait to do stuff' seems to be the core of the rationale for buying and selling skill points.
Logically, therefore, the answer is to do away with skill points and let everyone have the ability to do everything from day one.
PS, I never liked the Character Bazaar or PLEX. They have always seemed to me to circumvent the ethos of the game.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.16 18:58:34 -
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Lordy, I have 'liked' a Jenn aSide post - 2067.
Either Eve is dying, or I am ;)
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.17 15:36:58 -
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Levi Belvar wrote:If you think theres no difference then why not just go all out and say why all this bollox, why dont CCP just sell skill points for cash
No matter how it is presented and sugar coated, this is precisely what they intend to do really...
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.17 16:44:09 -
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Dear Mr Dave Stark, I am most impressed with your campaiging fervour.
Fight the good fight, my dear chap.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:27:32 -
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Talsha Talamar wrote:http://eve-search.com/stats/thread/450912-1
Just a thing I wanted to leave here:
Dave Stark187 (7,1%) Querns128 (4,8%) Don ZOLA98 (3,7%) Teckos Pech96 (3,6%)
Some people are rather violently pushing their agenda.
Golly! I thought Mr Dave was way more than 7.1%
Give the poor chap time and he will up his percentage.
His virtually lone stand is almost heroic in the face of overwhelming opposition to CCP's latest wheeze to chisel more money out of players.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:54:18 -
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Eternity Mistseeker wrote:This is not a mechanism for helping new players...
If you want to help new players start in the game then you add a mechanism that helps *all* new players, not just those with access to additional RL money or friends/alts with significant ISK reserves...
^^^the above is a good a description as any, why on a practical level the sp idea is bad.
Not quite 'pay to win' but at the very least, 'pay with rl cash' to get a considerable advantage.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.18 06:43:42 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:I see, so it's the money CCP is making from Character Bazaar that's spawned this greed. Hardly. More like us on the ground pointing out existing paths of monetization CCP can and should cash in on. Both to support the game and expand it. Sorry if your SP defines you, but if you really push the core playerbase who aren't self-centered imbeciles, they're probably willing to do just about anything to keep this game alive. Watching you flail about is not unrewarding in itself :)
Dear Marsha, Mr Dave Stark is handling his one man crusade in favour of the proposed changed with some style.
You are just rude and aggressive.
Perhaps you need to take an extended coffee break away from posting on this topic.
Kind regards.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.19 07:18:08 -
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Just caught up with the latest posts on this topic.
It would seem that CCP, having noted the overwhelmingly negative feedback, have decided to go ahead with it anyway.
Makes one wonder what was the point of requesting feedback in the first place.
Oh well, onwards, ever onwards.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.19 07:29:15 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Just caught up with the latest posts on this topic.
It would seem that CCP, having noted the overwhelmingly negative feedback, have decided to go ahead with it anyway.
Makes one wonder what was the point of requesting feedback in the first place.
Oh well, onwards, ever onwards. one negative thread on eve-o isn't "overwhelmingly negative" head anywhere outside of this thread and the response isn't nearly as negative. as mike pointed out, you have to be subscribed to post here. considering the positivity of other people - you could quite easily argue this feature could bring many people back to the game. quite frankly with some of the responses in here and how silly they are even if some people left and the net number of players was constant i'd call it a good trade.
So, CCP want to say to new players, pay your sub then pay a lot extra to gain some skill points, which even then will mean they can never catch up on vets.
Sounds like a plan to me.
Of course I do understand why you seem to be implying that CCP should regard the views of their paying customers as a weird subset of folk.
I mean this in the nicest possible way Mr Dave, but if you stop posting, support for this proposal is, well...what support?
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.19 19:42:01 -
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The single best thing about Eve is the skill system.
Edit, the single best thing about Eve, WAS the skill system.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.21 10:17:02 -
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This is going to happen, not because it will improve the new player experience, not because wealthy vets can 'exploit' the market, not because players have demanded it, but because CCP need the hoped for, extra money.
No more, no less.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.21 10:23:17 -
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Lordy, Mr Dave, I am beginning to suspect that you are a 24 hour a day typing bot :)
Keep up the good fight.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.21 10:30:39 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Lordy, Mr Dave, I am beginning to suspect that you are a 24 hour a day typing bot :)
Keep up the good fight. it's threads like this that remind me why i go to reddit rather than eve-o to discuss ideas, to be honest. (more dev replies, for a start)
That the devs respond more outside of their own ingame forum, is, bad, bad, bad.
When it comes to public relations, CCP remind me of the old John Cleese, 'how not to do it' management educational films.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.21 10:46:44 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Lordy, Mr Dave, I am beginning to suspect that you are a 24 hour a day typing bot :)
Keep up the good fight. it's threads like this that remind me why i go to reddit rather than eve-o to discuss ideas, to be honest. (more dev replies, for a start) That the devs respond more outside of their own ingame forum, is, bad, bad, bad. When it comes to public relations, CCP remind me of the old John Cleese, 'how not to do it' management educational films. to be fair, reddit is a better source of eve info all around. all i have to do is check the top threads on reddit rather than checking F&I to figure out if there are any new stickies, devblogs to see if there are any of those that are new, eve news if there's anything in there, etc. it's all in one place; the front page.
Does this not rather suggest that CCP need to revamp the ingame forum site?
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.21 13:06:52 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Don ZOLA wrote:Straight away as in right now. As soon as I see CCP stops you from spamming and trolling I will stop pointing at it ;) so you're going to carry on posting nothing constructive just because i'm posting? and you wonder why people would rather post on reddit when this is the kind of behavior encountered on the official forums?
Mr Dave, with all respect, you should take a coffee break as you seem to be getting rather agitated.
I must admit that I am rather baffled as to how a brand spanking new player will be able to afford enough skill points to become a moderately skill based player using ingame means, missions, mining, exploration etc.
Oh wait...they can pay to sub, then splash out even more real life dosh to get the skill points !
Once again, it bears repeating as it is the core of the matter, this is not about helping new players either in terms of giving them a starting boost or new player retention, CCP needs the pennies any way they can get them.
I have subscribed for quite some time now, and the one thing that would have probably made me quit in the first couple of days would have been, pay your sub then pay more real life money to get a 'meaningful' amount of skill points.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.23 07:32:48 -
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This is not about helping new players, or retaining new players, allowing vets to sell skill points or creating a new players market.
This is about CCP not doing very well financially and desperately needing a new revenue stream.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.28 13:11:29 -
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We all know that CCP are doing this because they need the money, all the sugar coating and ingame rationalization in the world does not alter this simple fact.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.28 20:00:41 -
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If giving new players a helping hand is so important, (and it is not the case that CCP is making a money grab) then offer let them start with enough skill points to fly say, a T1 Frigate with max skills.
Those with an overweaning sense of entitlemant will be pleased by such generosity, whilst those who are more likely to stick with the game will decline the offer.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.10.30 07:48:59 -
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Zerg Xander wrote:I love this idea! I am a new player who recently resubbed after quitting after only a couple months. This might actually keep me in the game. When I look at how long I will have to train to be viable in pvp it seems hopeless. If I try to pve I get insulted or ganked. The biggest problem this game has is its community. Everyone says they want to help noobs but you call us Care Bears gank us while mining or steal our stuff in missions. It seems like the only reason the older players want newer players is to kill them most older players who act like they are good at this game only take fights with weaker players. The old guard needs to be shaken up in this game. Most of the map is empty because coalitions control 100x more space then they need. Why would any new player stay in this game if they know that no matter how hard they work they will never be able to compete with a 5 year character.
I think this could actually draw new players
How many skill points do you feel you need in order to be good at pvp?
You should know that a skilled player flying a 'lesser' ship than yours with better general knowledge of pvp will still beat you.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.11.18 16:21:17 -
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This is a pointless thread.
CCP need the money, end of discussion.
All that remains is to see how CCP will implement it.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.11.20 16:24:32 -
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Dear Vahligmarr, the new cash for skills in not important to the game, it is however, important to CCP's income stream.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.11.20 16:34:03 -
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Vahligmarr wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Dear Vahligmarr, the new cash for skills in not important to the game, it is however, important to CCP's income stream. Tell CCP seagull please <.<
She already knows :)
What bothers me, is the sad attempt to pass it off as an improvement for us, the players, rather than being open and honest and simply saying that (they) CCP need the extra icome for whatever reason.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.11.20 20:33:09 -
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Niko Lorenzio wrote:Leonardo Adami wrote:I hope it does go free to play, the amount of new players that would bring would be amazing. Yup. Will be totally amazing. Just look at the awesome free to play Dust. I can't wait till the day we have that many players in eve!
Well, if Eve Online ever does become 'free to play' then, going by the number of people who play DUST (I mean no disrespect to either of them) we will have to donate PLEX to CCP so that they can feed themselves and their families.
For your sake, I hope you are trolling.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.12.14 12:53:04 -
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Jon Essler wrote:Yonis Kador wrote:I get that the logic is this isn't ptw because the sp has to be extracted from an existing character, but it won't alter the reality that folks will be able to use $$ to purchase sp. Nor will it alter the perhaps irreparable damage to the perception that your skill choices have consequences in EVE. Even if there's a cap. Even if it only occurred on a single character and wasn't a tradable commodity. You can already use $$ to purchase ships and everything needed to fit them. How is that not as 'bad' as buying SP? Also, I keep reading on these forums that SP isn't important. It's about "what you know", "personal skill", "experience" etc. Buying SP doesn't buy you knowledge, skill or experience, so where is the pay-to-win? What are you winning when you buy SP?
Buying sp is not by any means 'pay to win' but, if one buys, (to make up an example just to illustrate my point), enough sp to fly a Titan, one can learn how to fly said Titan a lot faster than one can skill up for it using the time based skill queue.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.12.15 20:37:52 -
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Rat Scout wrote:Still waiting for a sound argument against TSP, looks like your initial concept is perfect CCP. Go ahead and schedule it for the next release CCP, I can't wait to utilize it.
Please feel free to troll.
Oh, you are
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2015.12.23 19:12:43 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:I wouldn't claim ccp is being indecisive. They made a thread and then walked away.
The 'decision' they made was to ignore this thread.
Perhaps they have found an even better way to bilk more money off players?
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2016.01.18 22:21:41 -
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Sad that it is going to happen, but inevitable given that CCP simply want (need) more of our money.
The bit that sticks in my craw is the pretence that it is for the benefit of 'new' players to enable them to close the skills gap.
A money grab is a money grab, however it is presented.
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2016.02.14 19:06:10 -
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I cannot remember for the life of me who I voted for last time, apart from Mike and Steve Ronkuen (?)
But I would like to know where any of the CSM from last year who are standing again, stood on the cash for skills - err, thingy.
Thank you.
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