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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2015.10.15 20:58:50 -
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yay day 1 rattlesnakes to gank
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Posted - 2015.10.16 08:10:56 -
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doesnt really make much difference to me, if it increases players and they buy sp to be "nullsec relevant" then ill shoot them in the bubble of my cloaky sabre and trololol
Code will probably have some fun with this, millions more easy gank alts just in time for the hyperdunking nerf with tons of fresh new targets who dont have a clue about the game flying around in blingy stuff.
Skills dont really bother me too much anymore, i can fly the ships i like and dont pay any attention to my skill queue anymore
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Posted - 2015.10.16 08:13:12 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:No one buys 5mil sp chars. They are not worth the investment - good chars start around 30mil sp , or around 17mil if this are pure focused projects. Wrong
yes he is, covert cyno chars and trade chars still sell
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Posted - 2015.10.16 09:18:23 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote: CCP introducing the first real p2w mechanic in EVE history and exposing themselves to greed accusations
How is this a smart move??? second, we already have the character bazzar if acquiring SP is "winning".
Third, we have plex
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Posted - 2015.10.16 09:48:55 -
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Tex Raynor wrote:Love it. I suggest considering placing a cap, say around 150 or 200 mil sp, at which point sp cannot be injected. Otherwise one could technically purchase his way all up to maximum skillpoints - not sure if I am ok with that.
there was a post earlier explaining what the cost would be to have max level, that wont happen...
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Posted - 2015.10.16 09:52:00 -
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Uber Pie wrote:Buying SP for ISK/PLEX/Cash is already taking place at the character bazaar, so let's not hide our heads in the sand and pretend it's not taking place already. Two comments from my end to limit abuse:
- A max limit of SP injections per year is a good idea I read in the thread. 2.5m SP is about a year's training @ 2610 SP per hr and there's a ton you can do with 2.5m SP reallocated. 5m is over the top in my book.
- A timer between SP injections as we have for Neural remapping. 1 year per injection sounds reasonable.
2.5mil sp is not a years worth of training
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Posted - 2015.10.16 10:00:40 -
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Don ZOLA wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Tex Raynor wrote:Love it. I suggest considering placing a cap, say around 150 or 200 mil sp, at which point sp cannot be injected. Otherwise one could technically purchase his way all up to maximum skillpoints - not sure if I am ok with that. there was a post earlier explaining what the cost would be to have max level, that wont happen... There are people who spend thousands, even tents of thousands on this game, why do you think it is not going to happen? Rare cases of course, but it will happen.
if these people spend that amount already then whats the issue because they are already paying rl cash to gain an advantage
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Posted - 2015.10.16 10:04:48 -
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Don ZOLA wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Don ZOLA wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Tex Raynor wrote:Love it. I suggest considering placing a cap, say around 150 or 200 mil sp, at which point sp cannot be injected. Otherwise one could technically purchase his way all up to maximum skillpoints - not sure if I am ok with that. there was a post earlier explaining what the cost would be to have max level, that wont happen... There are people who spend thousands, even tents of thousands on this game, why do you think it is not going to happen? Rare cases of course, but it will happen. if these people spend that amount already then whats the issue because they are already paying rl cash to gain an advantage The issue is that this is supposed to help new players and it will not.
Quoted cost from previous pages:
3. The cost of buying SP will become increasing expensive. To give some numbers to this. To get a 20 million SP character with the current method I'd have to buy 22,750,000 SP to inject. That is, I have to buy 13.75% more SP than I am attempting to end up at. If I want to jump to 50 million SP I have to actually buy 60,250,000 SP or about 21% SP over where I'll end up. One poster blathered on about how there'd be all these characters with 600 million SP. Just to get to 500 million SP one would have to buy 3.495 billion SP. Yes, with a fracking 'B'...billion. So STFU about that ****.
So its not really going to be very economical to max level characters, once you get to the certain sp its going to be more viable buying a character from the bazaar
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Posted - 2015.10.16 10:13:59 -
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Don ZOLA wrote:Lan Wang wrote: Quoted cost from previous pages:
3. The cost of buying SP will become increasing expensive. To give some numbers to this. To get a 20 million SP character with the current method I'd have to buy 22,750,000 SP to inject. That is, I have to buy 13.75% more SP than I am attempting to end up at. If I want to jump to 50 million SP I have to actually buy 60,250,000 SP or about 21% SP over where I'll end up. One poster blathered on about how there'd be all these characters with 600 million SP. Just to get to 500 million SP one would have to buy 3.495 billion SP. Yes, with a fracking 'B'...billion. So STFU about that ****.
So its not really going to be very economical to max level characters, once you get to the certain sp its going to be more viable buying a character from the bazaar
I agree with that. But I never mentioned it as a key issue. How about you read this and then comment : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6101499#post6101499
i agree with all the alts stuff after all 3 new alts and you in theory you have to pay for another subscription, maybe ccp see it like that and realise they can make more money from the whole playerbase not just new players.
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Posted - 2015.10.16 11:00:37 -
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skills are not being conjured out of thin air, somebody HAS to train these skills originally.
I dont really care about this change to be honest as my own skill progression is not capped or changed this is just a complete optional thing.
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Posted - 2015.10.16 12:10:37 -
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why does it have to be greed? if the current playerbase complains about everything they do and they cant bring in new players then how else does a company make enough money to grow?
I dont see this as greed just simply a way to make money, after all it is a business and the current model clearly is not working enough for ccp
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Posted - 2015.10.16 13:31:19 -
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we should all make incursion alts and flood the channels with alts, carebears will start moaning then ccp will change something
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Posted - 2015.10.16 13:41:38 -
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next up...aurum for jump fatigue steroids
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Posted - 2015.10.16 13:45:30 -
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Estevan Andrard wrote:Lan Wang wrote:next up...aurum for jump fatigue steroids Next on New Eden Store **Race** Donation Fund - Earn you +1 Standing rise with **Race** Then we know it is the end of times.
the possibilities are endless
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Posted - 2015.10.16 14:14:25 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lan Wang wrote:next up...aurum for jump fatigue steroids Also resculpt transmutator thingy to become a Spaceelf. You would look beautiful
I could do a fabulous pose with a bow and arrow?
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Posted - 2015.10.16 14:35:05 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Lan Wang wrote:next up...aurum for jump fatigue steroids Also resculpt transmutator thingy to become a Spaceelf. You would look beautiful I could do a fabulous pose with a bow and arrow? It's a spaceelf silly, they have like laser bows or something. We can probably keep the tight clothing though.
What about naked spaceelf with lazor bows!
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Posted - 2015.10.16 15:38:05 -
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you know ccp looking at this thread and thinking about the vets saying we can just rinse our alts of sp and apply to our main, CCP: "yes this is working they are all talking about rinsing alts, they have to buy aurum to do that, op success"
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Posted - 2015.10.17 11:38:20 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Anyway, in both cases the PLEX prices will skyrocket, since there will be a lot of players who are no longer interested in getting SP for a bunch of their alts and rather just farm packs for passive income. I will do it for sure if this hits TQ. unless the margins are 100% or better (which i seriously doubt) if you're doing it purely to make isk rather than offset the cost of having the account... you're better off just straight up selling plex. The point is not to make ISK. The point is if I have an account where I don't need anymore SP because it's perfectly focus trained for what it does I can just sell the accumulated SP as packs to lower the subscription costs. There are two possibilities here: - If I can sell them higher that what it takes to create the pack (PLEX + extractors) I can create a free account with zero effort. - If I have to sell lower that what it takes to create them all the people training while taking a break will make a better deal if they just cancel the subscription and buy some packs if they come back (Yes, there may be some space between the two possibilities depending on how expensive the extractors are.) Ima is right. Medium-term, skill packet prices worth a month's worth of SP will stabilize just below those of a PLEX. There is after all, only one source of new SP and that is paying for a month's worth of game time. This is massive buff to multi-boxers who multiplex characters that do not require continued training. Ganking alts, mining alts, PI alts, industry/research alts, etc. will all be essentially free-to-play, or certainly only cost a fraction of a PLEX to keep running for a month. This is perhaps the most worrisome aspect of this change. This will have profound effects on the economy and a massive proliferation in extra accounts. On the plus side, this change coupled with the recent buff in skill points is a huge boon to the New Order and other highsec gankers. Using the trial period and the free PLEX for a buddy account, you can almost have a near max DPS 5M SP Catalyst ganking alt for free which you can then run indefinitely, also for near free, by harvesting the SP each month. Free gank alts for everyone, and as many as your machine can run at one time, should make our job of bringing highsec into compliance that much easier.
it makes me wonder if this is the reason hyperdunking got nerfed, they nerf hyperdunking then release a way to easily make low sp alts
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Posted - 2015.10.18 07:41:36 -
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I bought my first character when i was at 4mil sp, jumped to 42mil sp, was always my intention to buy a character as soon as i heard about the bazaar, but only once i would buy a main character, buying that character made me relevant in fleets and i had much more fun with 42mil sp than i did with 4mil sp, it didnt make me that much better at the game but it certainly made one hell of a difference.
I really dont see much of an issue with this as my now highish sp doesnt really matter to me anymore, i dont really even bother looking at my skills unless the fc's decide on a new doctrine which i cant already fly but i feel much better about having to invest little to no time training skills to get that ship.
Sometimes a small boost in skills really makes the game so much more enjoyable
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