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Leonardo Adami
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Posted - 2015.10.15 22:39:15 -
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This is amazing. I'm so glad CCP is finally doing this. It won't break the game, it won't affect the character bazaar. What all the hate comes down to is you bittervets are just upset this option wasn't around when y'all started.
All of you saying it's pay to win it's no freaking different then the bazaar, you buy a character and their skillpoints. Unless that character is famous for one reason or another what you're buying are that characters skillpoints let's be honest. Most of eve is content with the status quo, this changes that and I welcome it fully.
CCP I urge you not to give into the these bittervets continue with this process make it great! |
Leonardo Adami
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Posted - 2015.10.16 01:29:41 -
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Rikki Bigg wrote:Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:I love how many people are just pretending the character bazaar doesn't exist. I also love how CSM members keep pandering to those people while also utterly failing to construct an argument that makes ANY sense.
You can trade Cash for ISK for SP, RIGHT NOW. This change only brings SP sale to the masses, and lets me get a friend or corp mate into a doctrine that much sooner. Good change CCP. I enjoy how everyone making the same argument you are via "character bazaar' neglects the rest of the package you get when you buy a lump of skill points using the current mechanics: a character name, a corporation history, a killboard history, a wallet history, etc. This completely imbalances risk and reward and punishment. 'Characters have to cannibalize their own skill points to fuel this new mechanic' is the common rallying cry. And I'm quite certain that every -10 suicide ganker that has run out of isk or desire, every corp thief that has no further prospects, every deep cover spy that has been exposed, all will be happy to liquidate their only remaining asset to be funneled into a new 'face'. Intrigue, espionage, infamy, all become a much shallower reflection of their former glory if this goes through. What kind of future does EVE hold if it must sacrifice it's heritage to get there?
Be honest, 99% of the characters sold on the Bazaar are for the skillpoints, You'd have to be selling a really famous character on the Bazaar who had a significant impact in the game in order for the actual character to come into play.
So in-fact this is just an alternative method to buying skillpoints, anyone who argues that the Bazaar isn't a form of purchasing skillpoints is the delusional one.
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Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.10.16 02:43:17 -
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Someone with more time then myself needs to go and quote the trillion responses over the years from vets to newbs about how skillpoints don't matter the player does blah blah blah, I'm loving this thread my cups are literally overflowing with tears. Its glorious! |
Leonardo Adami
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Posted - 2015.10.16 02:48:56 -
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Uno Testicular wrote:I do not like anything about this idea... i think it's absolutely ridiculous.
The unique selling point of eve is that you have to wait, and choose you path carefully, not buy sp and jump straight in.
This is an awful idea, please don't go ahead with it
Ya cause we dont have a character bazaar in Eve...come back with actual arguments |
Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.10.16 03:04:36 -
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Clancy Davis wrote:No.
Part of the appeal of the game is that you have to live with the decisions you make. Another part is the sense of accomplishment for attaining a long term goal. This proposal would scuttle these long running and defining aspects of the game.
Yes, I know the Character Bazaar is a way for players with high time preferences to bypass the long training times. While this is a version of "pay to win", it was tempered by tendency for the characters up for sale to have a terrible reputation, imbecilic names, or some other terrible flaw.
This is undoubtedly the worst idea I've heard since I've started playing the game.
So one form of pay to win is okay but another isn't? Please explain to me how plugging in a skill and waiting and waiting and waiting for it to finish gives you a sense of accomplishment? It doesn't give me a sense of accomplishment. Beating a guy with links when i have none gives me a sense of accomplishment, escaping multiple nullsec camps when i'm being hunted gives me a sense of accomplishment I'm sure industry stuff for some folks gives them a sense of accomplishment. All it is for me is an unnecessary burden due antiquated game mechanics. And game evolution has be brought to the speed of a glacier because of the overwhelming out pour of tears from bittervets to CCP all spewing the same vomit about how it's pay to win, it's not fair because back in my day i didn't have this option, it ruins character development, blah blah blah, begging and pleading with CCP not to allow this type of mechanic in game.
To be honest good on CCP for putting this out there and hopefully it doesn't lose momentum due to all the haters. |
Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.10.16 15:31:31 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Jeremiah Saken wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Skills give you access to more game features and improve the performance of your ship.
They don't make you a better pilot, however. So we don't need them, as pilots. Good pilots don't need boatloads of SP, no.
Are you serious, you're basically saying skillpoints don't matter. In which case who cares if CCP implements this feature or not cause skillpoints aren't important player skill is. You must be very "special". |
Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.10.17 03:07:15 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Kilcairdin wrote:After a bad experience with a pay to win game I joined Eve over a year ago because it was a subscription only game. I understand the bizarre was out there, but it is a limited resource, difficult to use and in place to limit out of game corruption. What is proposed is nothing less than a significant step toward pay to win and all the problems associated with that. My expectation is that this will drive more players away from Eve than it will attract over the long term. I have no interest in moving toward a pay to win game even though this scheme could help my 25 million skill point character with skill points. Just say no. I agree completely. If CCP goes ahead with this scheme, then me and my 12 accounts will disappear from eve forever.
Good riddance to you. People like you need to quit. Contract all your stuff to me and don't let the door hit you on the way out. |
Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.10.18 01:34:53 -
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Don ZOLA wrote:a25639 wrote:Don ZOLA wrote:I have not played with the numbers, but if your estimation is correct then it is disaster. 6bil per 1mil sp is cheap. There are dozens of players with trillions of isk who will start the competition for top 1 total sp position. Ie as they already have quite developed characters, let`s say 200mil sp and current top 1 having 279mil sp, that means that such player for 480 bils will buy himself that spot. Since i expect more than 1 to actually go for it, we might have all current top 5 or even top 10 players kicked out of those positions. And that is complete disaster. It will surely happen. However, players doing this wonGÇÖt gain any reasonable advantages by doing it. After all there are only combat skills worth 290m sp available and that includes mostly useless level 5 skills. They will not do it because of advantage but pure prestige.
If done for prestige but no advantage then this idea isn't going to break eve so go for it CCP I can't wait for this to be introduced!
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Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.10.19 23:24:58 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:If this was just about getting the new guys getting into bigger\better ships quicker then why not this below? It doesn't damage one of the key principles in EVE, favours no-one but new guys as there's an age limit and no massive jack in PLEX prices. This, this right here Advanced Cerebral Accelerator
- is already developed
- already in game
- would be quicker to implement
- can't be abused by older players
- Cerebral accelerators are destroyed upon clone-jump, but will otherwise remain, even if your capsule is destroyed.
- They (CCP) could then spend good Dev time on bringing the Char Bazaar in-game in the UI. Thus you kill two birds with one stone and everyone wins.
Ah, there's the flaw, it doesn't require more PLEX<>Aurum so no extra income stream for literally butchering what I think is one of the key foundations of EVE Online: choices equal consequences. Maximus Aerelius wrote:Lost pages back but this: Maximus Aerelius wrote:There are already in-game items to help new players called Cerebral Accelerators albeit with severe character age restrictions. Lift the bar a little more on the age that these will work at and add them a bit more to loots\DEDs\Data and\or Relic sites to make them more available. Hell, I'd even go so far as to say give them it as a starter item but link in how to use it and what it's for. There are far better ways to get new guys into ships faster than this. The best of which is this: Advanced Cerebral AcceleratorThis booster will cease to function for pilots who have been registered for more than 7 days. Bonuses: +17 to all attributes+17 to ALL attributes. Give that to a new starter from Day 1 or even bump it to +25 to ALL attributes Benefits:It kicks in from Day 1 Training is amplified so skilling is quicker. They don't skip the content that comes from finding your feet but get to toddle quicker It's free from the start You could seed more so they are more available on the market ie new player friendly corps (E-UNI etc) can buy them, Seed them in Data\Relic\Combat sites or in special mission drops\DED sites\COSMOS It stimulates the economy You still have the choices equal consequences so key to EVE Online Free the dev time required for the '£££ for SP' and bring the Character Bazaar in-house to the EVE UI Drawbacks No increase demand for PLEX\Aurum so price doesn't increase You'd have to write a new tutorial on boosters\implants\accelerators or have Aura tell them about the thing that's in their head. Just some thoughts I'd had. Carry on EDIT: And this from the wiki: Please note: Cerebral accelerators are destroyed upon clone-jump, but will otherwise remain, even if your capsule is destroyed.If that doesn't encourage some PvP then what will. All other implants apart from 'Golden Pods' are destroyed on pod-kill.
I'd like to say I'm all for CCP's new skillpoint idea. However I like this one too. Instead of limiting this accelerator to the age of the character I'd like it be capped to a certain amount of skillpoints. Ideally have it be +25 attributes up to 30mil skillpoints then drop to +17 up to 50 mil skillpoints after that it loses its effect due to the amount of intense training the capsuleer has gone through or something to that effect. |
Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.10.25 16:37:29 -
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Let's get this into action CCP! Been waiting for years for this. |
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Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.10.28 16:31:01 -
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Levi Belvar wrote:These people speaking that they want all in EvE now why dont you ask CCP seagull to give you EvE Offline - single player and use the Tilde command /Giveall
There's a reason no such thing comes in online games, the shelf life after you blitz'd through it in 90 mins is Zero.
After you clean yourself up from all the vomit you've spewed please elaborate on this. |
Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.10.28 20:38:32 -
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Counting down the days until this amazing idea is implemented and it doesn't destroy eve like all you f'ing bittervets claim, so those of us that want eve to grow can point back to this stupidly long thread and say "told ya so" |
Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.10.30 23:23:01 -
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Suede wrote:YouAreMyBounty Sarn wrote:My friend just text me about this. I'm livid!
You are going to offer the low skilled players a chance to boost their skill points significantly. I've had to train my account for just over 2 years to get 40 million skill points. A task that has cost me around -ú240 to do. Now you are saying to the beginners that they can grind a tonne of ISK on an alt account & use it to just BUY their skill points? Why would you punish me like that? If you go through with this, I would hope that you offer me to sell my points back to Eve Online for real life money at a rate of -ú10 a month (like you charge me), then I will just grind the ISK in game & buy all my skill points using ISK instead of paying the -ú240 I've spet on my account. I doubt you will offer me this chance, so I'm well annoyed. Let me know ASAP on if this will be in the patch because I won't be paying for a subscription anymore. I'll simply just grind the ISK and buy my skill points.
Any what about PVP fights now? Where possible I've tried to guess my opponents skill points by looking at their DOB. I would no longer be able to do that anymore?
Big corps who have trillions could just buy a 1day old toon and buy it 50 mill SP. So I could lose to a 1day old toon. What a joke man. Seriously.
Final thoughts: What a joke! Not happy! Just a shame that 10 years playing eve till now we never had any way to buy SP and we eve Vets who have been royal to eve had to train skill for all this time to get to the SP where are now, which we paying sub for all this time Just a bit of joke that CCP letting new player become an 50Mill SP in less then a day is just bit of a joke and total insult to royal player base who been playing since Alpha/Beta and CCP needs to get its priority rights to think more about the royal paying 10 years olds who been with eve all this time,
Delicious tears you have QQ moar plzkthxbai |
Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.11.01 01:43:37 -
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Jared Khanar wrote:General Lootit wrote: My bad. My point is those who paying with rl cash also make effort to earn money. It's beneficial for CCP and players who buying PLEX with isk because they cannot or will not to do it with rl money.
You cannot prefer one over the other! From an ingame point of view this is some kind of symbiotic thing if balanced right. Those who pay rl cash to buy what they need ingame, are transfering the burden to grind to the players with time. "Crossing a line" unevenly distributes fun and boredom / frustration between the two. You have to treat them equally - else you risk to drive one side away from your game. And the other will follow! Yes, without the rich there are no plex for poor players Yes, without the poor players there are no ships, whatever for the rich and also much less content to *pew*... You need each other, don-¦t you understand? It-¦s in both sides interest to maintain the perception that it does absolutly not matter how you fund your accounts / assets - that the ingame possibilities are equal! Our manipulated, high plex prices shout: pay less vs. grind more (a self-accelerating downward spiral) SP trading proposal adds: pay a bit more vs. grind more Repeat: Please, do not add items into the eve store that affects gameplay. Please, only sell vanity items in the eve store. Please, do not connect the possibility to skip parts of the gameplay experience to additional income. (It-¦s like telling: Ok, we know this is bad, but it stays. just pay and you don-¦t have to deal with it.) Please, do not connect fixes for problems or symptoms to additional income.
What a waste of a post. People having more skill points or redistributing their current skill points doesn't affect anything in game at all. Does it not sit well with people like yourself holding on to an archaic and antiquated system, probably not. But it's not game ending or breaking like all the eve drama queens would like people to believe. |
Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.11.01 20:11:18 -
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A Ingus wrote:Tristan Agion wrote: stuff You have been playing since August. You somehow think you speak for a great multitude of new players. You think that the sp system of this game holds you down. I am having difficulty trying to understand why you even came to this game in the first place, let alone why you want to change it so fundamentally. Change it to be like what? What other game would you like it to be? Do you think two months is a fair attempt to appreciate this game, the way it is? Many that have played this game the way it is for years don't like how it may become. And they will leave, in droves. Will you stay for almost a decade? Will all that multitude of players you think you represent stay in the game for years once they can buy sp? Two months and so much to say about how this game should change to suit your expectations.
His stuff is pretty accurate and you're troll post his hilarious. |
Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.11.01 20:16:13 -
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Moonlit Raid wrote:I support the idea of being able to sell individual skills and levels, but I think the skill MUST have been trained in REAL time on an account at SOME POINT, unallocated skill points is not a good way to go in my opinion. Especially if older toons are going to be paying 10 times more than a new guy.
I don't understand your post? CCP isn't pulling skill points out of the air and adding them to the game. All the skill points that can be bought and sold must come from someone who has done the legwork to train said skills in game already. Or are you suggesting that you have a character on an account that has already trained the skills you want to add to a new character? If so thats pretty pointless and not a good idea since that will affect the target audience for this to being with being newbies. |
Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.11.01 20:19:53 -
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Anna Ohu wrote:#$%^%^**&%%^ NOOOOOOoooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am so against the ability to train what ever skill and sell it as an un-allocated skill points !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO NO NO NO! (where is the mad emote with the smoke rolling out the top of it's head)
I would be a little better with being able to trade/sell specific skills and levels, say like selling Mining Upgrades levels 1, 2, and 3 for x amount of isk.
by allowing the gentrification of skills you devalue ALL the skills. And those of us that have gone through the grind of getting to where we have, and put in the time, your saying FU to us.
and combat skills should be more expensive than indy skills (just as the combat implants are more expensive than indy implants), under no circumstance should indy skills be convertible into combat skills or vice versa. Yea you can extract the mining upgrade levels and sell them and take what you get and go buy large auto cannon levels, but no, no, no "generic skill points"
and stil the whole if your between such and such you get x amount more is such BS! If you want more players to come to the game then you need to diversify the game to appeal to a wider base of players, not dumb it down so that every whiny ADD three year old will play it. (and yes i get to trash on ADD ADHD because have to deal with it on daily basis, and bad grammar and spelling is my birthright i'm American)
So how bout this plan: You all sell extractor packs that contain the implant connection device and the Memory/knowledge goo vial, you can then extract any skill into that vial weather it be level 4-5, lvl 1, lvl 3 or lvl 1-3 is the sellers choice, and it can be trade on the market or in contracts and the extractor packs can be bought for isk/aur/or cash this way only the skill that has been trained is sold/injected skills keep there value and new players can skill buy hundreds of plex, sell them and go bonkers buying skills, or even older players can do it too. But keep the character trading too.
Due to the temper tantrums in the beginning I didn't even read your post. That said please let the tears flow. Thank you for this as I do feel a little parched today. |
Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.11.01 23:10:49 -
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You call A Ingus a troll, yet you make comments like this At least he offers some insight which is more than this verbal diarrhea.[/quote]
Verbal diarrhea, how cute. Where you able to come up that on your own or did you have to phone a friend? And no one has provided a legitment reason as to why this shouldn't be a feature. You know why? Everything everyone says is pure speculation until the feature is in game or we have set concrete numbers to work with. The majority is omg, noo CCP you'll ruin my game oh noes...please that's the true what did you call verbal diarrhea I'm these forums. |
Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.11.02 01:52:47 -
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A Ingus wrote:Leonardo Adami wrote:Levi Belvar wrote:You call A Ingus a troll, yet you make comments like this At least he offers some insight which is more than this verbal diarrhea. Verbal diarrhea, how cute. Where you able to come up that on your own or did you have to phone a friend? And no one has provided a legitment reason as to why this shouldn't be a feature. You know why? Everything everyone says is pure speculation until the feature is in game or we have set concrete numbers to work with. The majority is omg, noo CCP you'll ruin my game oh noes...please that's the true what did you call verbal diarrhea I'm these forums. Its ok Levi. Ive found after many years of playing this game and reading the forums, that the people who quickly whip out the troll accusation in an ad personam really don't have any better argument. Also, posting in this manner with a newb corp character is often another indication of someone who really is rather sad in one way or another. But, true we don't know what stats CCP is looking at. However, instead of figuring out a way to make the character bazaar work, such as allowing a name change mechanism, or some easy public way for people to know that a character was sold, and thus address some of the problems cited by CCP Rise, they came up with this thing that will screw with how individual characters skill up in the game. It will also favor expenditures of rl cash in one way or another which heretofore has not been so directly in the game. That is why people who have been playing this game for years and appreciate the purity of the existing sp system post against the op, and maybe why short eve lifetime newb corp alts post in favor of the op.
The character bazaar works, there isn't anything wrong with it. It makes no sense to tinker with it at all. Further more, plex requires the expenditure of real life cash. People pay money for plex, sell plex for isk, buy character off the bazaar. So no matter what real life cash is being used, this just adds more diversity to the way it's spent for basically the same thing, skill points.
People appreciate the current skill point system because it completely favors those who have been here for years and regardless of what anyone says having fewer skill points really does put the new player at a distinct disadvantage when compared to an old player with no way to level the playing field. This is off putting and CCP clearly is beginning to see this and are preparing to take steps to help with this issue.
All of your arguements have zero validity behind them hence why I call you a troll. I'll stop that though, please present some valid arguements and let the good ol debate begin. |
Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.11.03 16:57:43 -
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Stalking Mantis wrote:"The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time. "CCP Hellmar 2011-10-05 Source
Quoting a four year old post in an attempt to say CCP is going back on their word. They're not. MMO''s are not games that are designed to be a fixed state but rather a a malleable one. They're designed to grow, expand, and change. If you have over 80mil skill points which takes significant time then it's not worthwhile to use this option. You'd be better off headed to the bazaar to find a character that meets your skill point requirements. If you have less then 5mil you get the lost benefit. They're not screwing over vets. If they were trying to do that they'd make it a flat everyone gets 500k skill points regardless of the amount of skill points you currently have. The diminishing returns keeps things balanced and numbers can always he adjusted to keep things in line. |
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Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.11.20 17:32:30 -
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I hope it does go free to play, the amount of new players that would bring would be amazing. |
Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.06 01:37:11 -
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Was a huge supporter of these until the price came out. CCP lies again. Seriously F**k y'all for lying saying these were for newbros. They're not. You're just after money. |
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