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a25639
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.17 10:23:08 -
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Some people seem to be afraid that this feature would allow rich players to get alts with like 400m sp, which is more than what you could buy on the character bazaar. IGÇÖd like to explain why thatGÇÖs not a problem.
What people donGÇÖt seem to realise is that there is only a limited amount of combat skills. You need approximately 150m sp to get at least level 4 skills for every available combat ship and module. Once you have that many sp you can continue to train barely useful level 5 combat skills until you have approximately 290m sp. At that point you will have nothing left to train but completely useless skills.
We have long passed the time where characters with 150m combat sp began to be available on the character bazaar and in 1 or 2 years even characters with 290m combat sp will become more common on the character bazaar.
If you want to have a high sp combat character now you can get it on the character bazaar. If you want to have a high sp combat character after this feature is released you would still get it from the character bazaar because it will be much cheaper than using skill packets. The diminishing returns are not only a great sp sink but they also protect the value of high sp characters.
In the end it will cost a shitload of ISK to push your character to 400m sp and the only advantage you get is the possibility to use your combat pilot also for mining. Who cares?
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a25639
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.17 12:58:13 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:I think you're wrong on them tracking the price of a PLEX and there isn't any profit in that for those extracting. It's proposed that the character extracting uses a PLEX+SP Extractor to create the packet. What's the point\where's the profit in it selling for under the price of a PLEX?
Further to that you say people won't pay above the price of a PLEX but will instead activate MCT. That's not addressing the injection of SP as I said, instant SP will cost more than training at standard rate.
Certainly there will be no profit in creating skill packages. It would be free ISK and everyone would do it. It would increase skill package supply reducing skill package price until no profit can be made anymore.
In fact I guess many people would be willing to create and sell skill packages even if they only get like 60% of the costs. There are many focussed alts or very high sp characters who no longer need more skills. Those characters will train skills for the sole purpose of selling them to reduce their subscription costs.
On the other hand the buyers are probably willing to pay like up to 90% of the standard training costs for instant sp. They wonGÇÖt pay much more because it would be more expensive than just buying a character from the character bazaar. Only a very few characters with more than 50m sp will use this feature because it really doesnGÇÖt makes much sense for them. |
a25639
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.18 01:20:29 -
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Don ZOLA wrote:I have not played with the numbers, but if your estimation is correct then it is disaster. 6bil per 1mil sp is cheap. There are dozens of players with trillions of isk who will start the competition for top 1 total sp position. Ie as they already have quite developed characters, let`s say 200mil sp and current top 1 having 279mil sp, that means that such player for 480 bils will buy himself that spot. Since i expect more than 1 to actually go for it, we might have all current top 5 or even top 10 players kicked out of those positions. And that is complete disaster. It will surely happen. However, players doing this wonGÇÖt gain any reasonable advantages by doing it. After all there are only combat skills worth 290m sp available and that includes mostly useless level 5 skills. |
a25639
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.18 01:28:24 -
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Don ZOLA wrote:Karin Yang wrote:Why that 10 players max their skills matters? Does this make them the king of the universe? For some bored super rich people it will surely be interesting aim.
Sure it will be. But it's not in any way a problem for other players. At that point it's nothing but a number without any ingame effect. |
a25639
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.18 03:40:54 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:There have been a few constants in Eve. Real-time for skill training and industry was one of them. Oh you can buy the item/ship and jump ahead but someone played that real time price. Same goes for the Character Bazaar. You may not have paid the time but someone did, with plex or cold hard cash. The proposed changes are no difference. The sp packages are not created out of thin air. Someone else had to train the skills.
Mike Azariah wrote:'Stripping the old' but do you honestly think most of the skill points will go to NEW players? That it will increase retention or just make more alts of the vets? Is an increase in subs really a good thing if a lot of them are brood mares existing only to have their brains harvested on a regular basis . . . full of +5's and never ever undocking into space? Will that give us more content? Or will it just be numbers on some ledger? When I started playing EVE 7 years ago I did nothing but train a character for half a year until I joined a player corporation eventually. Two months after joining the player corporation I bought a character because the lack of skills on my main was preventing me to get properly involved in the player corporation.
I still have my first character and it has 140m sp by now. However, the sad thing is I never really used it because it was always more reasonable to use one of my higher sp characters.
According to CCP there are many more players like me. What you are afraid of is already happening. The proposed changes would just make the whole process much smoother.
Mike Azariah wrote:Will new players coming in look and see the rich instaboosting themselves into better ships and leaving the normal subscription player behind in the dust? Would you play a game like that where it was obviously a game of haves and have-nots and you were probably one of the have-nots? Or would you pour your own money in and hope it was enough to keep up?
I sit in Rookie Help Chat and listen to new players trying to figure out how to play for free. How to earn that 1.2 bill within 30 days. Those types, will they stay if I tell them that not only is it unlikely but that they will have to pay extra to be decent at the game. If they listen and do pay to be able to fly . . . say an incursion or a null rat ship . . . in the first week then they will be well on the road to playing for free, right? Since increased demand for those elusive PLEX will have no effect on the market. I personally wouldn't have continued playing the game for more than a few months if the possibility to buy characters wouldn't have existed. |
a25639
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.18 11:36:29 -
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I also think the price of skillpackages will be lower than the actual cost for training time + extractor. I donGÇÖt think sp farming will be necessary to satisfy demand (especially not in the near future). EVE would have to be in a very healthy state for sp farming to be actually necessary. Lots of new players or at least lots of players who want more alts are required to use up all the excess sp of existing players / characters. |
a25639
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:18:10 -
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Maybe sp farming is indeed going to be necessary to satisfy demand. After all character farming is necessary now as well to satisfy character demand. |
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