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darkchild's corpse
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Posted - 2015.10.15 22:47:41 -
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after reading the devblog... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRKz82v5JQY
just kidding... but to be honest: i really dislike the idea. please do not implement that ccp. yes, the character bazaar is already some kind of a pay to win thing (wich is the reason why i don't like it). but this stuff makes it even worse. neuntausend explained it clear enough to understand: the fact that you can use several characters to skill for one specific character makes it not really comparable to the character bazaar as we have it now. you can skill the skills YOU want and don't have to wait for a good offer. and in some cases this would also be probably even quicker than using the character bazaar.
and btw: "the character bazaar is p2w anyways, i like this new idea" is something only someone who is actually paying to win would say. but p2w concepts are not healthy for a game in general.
as some people already said: it would be ok if there would be character services like renaming / changing appearance that also cost plex. it would fix the "problems" of the character bazaar and there would probably be more money for ccp.
as an animal rights activist, i have to say: ccp, please don't force your cow into giving more milk like this. it doesn't like it and will die sooner or later. instead, listen to your cow. it's telling stories. |
darkchild's corpse
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:01:07 -
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Anise Tig'res wrote:darkchild's corpse wrote:after reading the devblog... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRKz82v5JQY just kidding... but to be honest: i really dislike the idea. please do not implement that ccp. yes, the character bazaar is already some kind of a pay to win thing (wich is the reason why i don't like it). but this stuff makes it even worse. neuntausend explained it clear enough to understand: the fact that you can use several characters to skill for one specific character makes it not really comparable to the character bazaar as we have it now. you can skill the skills YOU want and don't have to wait for a good offer. and in some cases this would also be probably even quicker than using the character bazaar. and btw: "the character bazaar is p2w anyways, i like this new idea" is something only someone who is actually paying to win would say. but p2w concepts are not healthy for a game in general. as some people already said: it would be ok if there would be character services like renaming / changing appearance that also cost plex. it would fix the "problems" of the character bazaar and there would probably be more money for ccp. as an animal rights activist, i have to say: ccp, please don't force your cow into giving more milk like this. it doesn't like it and will die sooner or later. instead, listen to your cow. it's telling stories. Your solution is literally exactly the same but with 'IT'S JUST LIKE BEFORE BUT A TINY BIT DIFFERENT! :D' plastered over the front of it. Get over your emotional reaction to this. Just because it wasn't around when you started doesn't make it P2W.
1. it's not "my" solution. as i already said, other ppl already said this before. 2. it's not just "a little difference". this new idea would offer completely new p2w possibilities wich was also explained enough in this thread. 3. i'm not emotional, i'm dead. i don't have emotions at all. i'm just saying what i think about all this. |
darkchild's corpse
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:39:11 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:This isn't taking ANYTHING away from anyone, it's only giving more to those who don't have.
this is (more or less) true but not the point.
i think many ppl in here forget that something like this will also be possible with the new thing:
imagine you are camped inside a station with a few ppl and noone of you can use jammers for example. or a logistic or whatever you would need to win. usually you would have to buy the skill and train it until you are good enough. the other option would be to buy a character who can already use/fly it. none of these solutions works instantly. but if you are rich, you can simply buy skillpoints instantly and turn the whole situation. and this is one example where this system would give more to those who don't have wich is just not right. |
darkchild's corpse
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Posted - 2015.10.15 23:47:26 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Can anyone who's complaining tell me exactly how this is any different to me just paying -ú15 a month or whatever to train a second character and then selling it? Apart from now I can do it without paying -ú15 a month as long as I don't mind my character learning nothing new?
one example is my last post. more examples are spreaded over this thread. |
darkchild's corpse
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Posted - 2015.10.16 00:00:11 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote: Dude I'm not going to read 55 pages. I read the first 5 pages or so and it's mainly people saying how terrible and pay to win this is despite the fact that you can already just buy a supercap pilot using real life money to buy PLEX and using PLEX to buy characters totally legitimately.
dude... your point is invalid for two reasons:
1. you: "why is it a bad idea?" "it's already answered, just read it" "no, i'm lazy"
2. saing "there are already pay to win possiblites" is no reason to implement another one wich is even worse |
darkchild's corpse
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Posted - 2015.10.16 00:06:27 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:darkchild's corpse wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:This isn't taking ANYTHING away from anyone, it's only giving more to those who don't have. this is (more or less) true but not the point. i think many ppl in here forget that something like this will also be possible with the new thing: imagine you are camped inside a station with a few ppl and noone of you can use jammers for example. or a logistic or whatever you would need to win. usually you would have to buy the skill and train it until you are good enough. the other option would be to buy a character who can already use/fly it. none of these solutions works instantly. but if you are rich, you can simply buy skillpoints instantly and turn the whole situation. and this is one example where this system would give more to those who don't have wich is just not right. That makes some assumptions about how this works: a) it's available where you are docked in sufficient quantities to meet your immediate need or b) it's on contact and redeemable anywhere or c) you already had the free SP from the purchase already applied If it requires the first case, which one would hope it will, it's no different then having a mod you need in station for purchase when you have an immediate need.
true but you were always able to buy it elsewhere and haul it with an alt. but to my understanding the point of skillpoints in general is that not every player is meant to do anything anytime. you have to spend time to learn something. this would no longer be the case. |
darkchild's corpse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.16 10:05:06 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Don ZOLA wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:So there isn't anything really wrong with the change, it's just "principle"?
Like, it's a great change that will most definitely result in alot more newer players trying the game and possibly sticking around long enough for us all to enjoy some new content via interaction with different people.
But because the idea is similar to pay to win, even though it's been established that it's not pay to win since skill points do not equal winning, we're revolting against it?
So the United States of America is blowing up Hospitals. All western countries are spying on and collecting data on all of their citizens for whatever nefarious purposes they can dream up. . .
But this is where we draw the line? This is the topic that gets the spergers blood boiling?
An idea that we correlate to pay to win, even though it's not, but we say it is because money is involved?
How silly. People like you are why I have such a superiority complex. Stop being ignorant for a start and read arguments people write and stop repeating bs. I can say this exact same thing to you and it will be just as true, and probably more so.
bullshit. he is making valid points spreaded all over the thread. he even explained why it would not lead to new players and this is were i agree with him.
this new mechanic is defnetly pay to win wich also was explained in this thread several times. |
darkchild's corpse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.16 12:34:30 -
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can we have a dislike button for forum posts please? |
darkchild's corpse
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Posted - 2015.10.16 15:37:55 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
tippia has yet to say anything other than "muh sp" and buzzwords.
Then you aren't reading Tip's posts critically.
neither don zolas posts all discussions with dave are in an infinite loop and the resulting black hole will kill all of us.
i still want a "dislike" button for forum posts please :3 |
darkchild's corpse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.17 08:09:24 -
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Dave Stark wrote:
start what?
you keep saying arguments were made yet none of them have been reproduced regardless of my asking for them.
thats the thing... read them where they were made in the first place... trolllololo |
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darkchild's corpse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.17 08:20:37 -
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thats exactly like this other guy... "why is it a bad idea?" "it was already explained, read it" "no, i'm too lazy, your point is invalid"
yeah... thats exactly how it works... *facepalm* |
darkchild's corpse
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Posted - 2015.10.17 08:27:20 -
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the last 50 pages are just dave trolling and ppl feeding him. but if that helps to make CCP aware that this is a very sensible topic... feed him \o/ |
darkchild's corpse
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Posted - 2015.10.18 22:30:49 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:
Mainly I am trying to figure out WHO this is for and who it benefits.
any ideas?
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in my opinion two kind of ppl will benefit from this.
1. thiefes, spys, ppl with bad reputation. they can recycle their character into one or several new ones and can play without caring about the consequences of their actions wich is in my opinion a break with a core principle of eve.
2. ppl (probably older players) who need to be able to use something quickly. a cynodude, a logidude, a scandude... whatever. if there is no time to wait for a fitting character on the bazaar, grab some money and create whatever you need. wich (in my opinion) also breaks with a core principle. as i already said, the whole point of skills and skillpoints is that you're not meant to learn something new instantly.
new players will probably not benefit. they will buy skillpoints and then realize that they don't understand the game anyways.
oh wait... and ccp will benefit... more moneh (more moneh for ccp is a good idea but not this way please) |
darkchild's corpse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:03:53 -
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Rawthorm wrote:darkchild's corpse wrote:i wonder how much "don't implement this" feedback is needed to make ccp stop thinking about implementing it. maybe someone should pay a few hundret ppl to give negative feedback in here :D I'd guess a few thousand given that people only tend to be vocal when they hate something, not when they like something or don't care either way For every one person in this thread claiming that this feature will be the end of EvE there is quite likely a few people quietly sitting back happy it's going to happen, and a few hundred who don't care enough either way to post about it. Maybe for controversial features CCP should have an enforced vote happen for each account at next login. For once we'd actually have a reasonable overview of opinion that includes the silent majority.
i know at least 4 ppl who don't like this idea but don't post because they never post. so i guess the part of the community who tends to post in forums in general gives feedback. not only the ones who dislike the idea.
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darkchild's corpse
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:08:43 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:darkchild's corpse wrote:i wonder how much "don't implement this" feedback is needed to make ccp stop thinking about implementing it. maybe someone should pay a few hundret ppl to give negative feedback in here :D Try reddit "Shut up and take my money!" thread. They are thrilled to pay for this. So it's not "if", more "when". How much time for golden ammo? ( for new players ofc because they can't compete with vets )
i should invest in reddit users :D best mercs ever \o/
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darkchild's corpse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:10:10 -
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Luscius Uta wrote:I just had an amazing idea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRKz82v5JQY
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darkchild's corpse
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Posted - 2015.10.19 12:34:20 -
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in b4 thread gets closed due to trolling/offtopic/to much feedback that ccp doesn't want to hear \o/
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darkchild's corpse
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Posted - 2015.10.19 19:06:13 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:If that doesn't encourage some PvP then what will.
pump all noobs up to all5, let them choose a pvp role/ship (dd, logi, ewar) and throw them into a big team based deathmatch against other noobs when they are one day old. after that, reset their skills and let them find their way in eve.
edit: this is not my idea and not well thought out but i like it \o/
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darkchild's corpse
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Posted - 2015.10.19 19:54:49 -
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General Lootit wrote:So maybe you need to stop speeking for us all.
don't take it too personal. you're not the only noob.
Quote:Hi there, I'm a new payer in Eve online, I just got my first 2 millions of Skill Points and I know that getting anywhere in this game will take me years. That, there is NO option to buy skill points is the main reason for me to stay with EvE online for many years to come. Any manipulations with this feature will result in deleting my character and canceling my account (well I'm paid till March but after ... bye, bye). What you should do in this game is to develop much more personal way of playing (not changing anything in the game) just adding new features, like options to walk on the space ships, visit planets, add special mission (look at "Star Citizen"), I know that's a lot but this game is from 2003 and is getting better and stronger, please DO NOT GO THE BAD WAY. I believe in your team and I hope to stay on a round for many years to come!!!
Lucas Starwalker...
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darkchild's corpse
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Posted - 2015.10.20 11:13:53 -
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Moac Tor wrote:Jeremiah Saken wrote:Any decision CCP? It's nice talking to Dave but I think it's time to show us what's your opinion about it. Another 200 pages won't make any difference here. Well I am guessing this discussion didn't go as they had expected, so they are probably trying to work out how they can dig themselves out of this hole now. Also I wouldn't expect any confirmation until after vegas.
i guess CCP knew how this discussion would go and just want to know what changes they have to make that a little more ppl are ok with it. i mean, CCP are not a bunch of idiots... they had to know what kind of feature they were talking about.
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