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Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:11:17 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Don ZOLA wrote: I am open even to change my mind if they provide me counter arguments that will show that mine arguments are wrong (something that no one on this topic made). If not, then just let them do whatever they want and suffer the consequences. probably because all of your arguments are against pre-existing systems rather than the proposed one.
Not really.
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a25639
Aliastra Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:18:10 -
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Maybe sp farming is indeed going to be necessary to satisfy demand. After all character farming is necessary now as well to satisfy character demand. |
Tristan Agion
Viziam Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:24:32 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:The first had consequence, the latter doesn't and is farmable(which makes it far worst). Given the massive reservoir of SP in existing characters, the proposed skill packet system is not farmable in a practical sense. The only way a farm would work here is if the vast majority of players who have substantial SP did not use the system. And if that were the case, then what reason would you have to complain?
Instead, what I expect will happen is that the character bazaar will turn into a "mining" operation. If I know what I can sell a skill packet for, then I know for how much I can buy a character in the bazaar, in order to break it down into skill packets, to be sold at a net profit.
As soon as we get some idea about stable skill packet prices, it will not be farming with multiple characters that will come to the fore. It will be mining old characters by buying them off the character bazaar that will be the new ISK opportunity. The equivalent of margin trading will be that people sell characters in the bazaar for less than they could potentially make if they chopped them into skill packets themselves. You will effectively pay some "character miner" for the convenience of dissolving a character for you, just like you effectively pay a margin trader for the convenience of getting your money right now. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1489
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:24:45 -
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I spend a lot of time thinking about this, read some blogs, listened some podcasts and i changed my mind.
If CCP solves some of the implementation issues, this change can be good for the game.
The Tears Must Flow
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4184
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:26:11 -
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a25639 wrote:Maybe sp farming is indeed going to be necessary to satisfy demand. After all character farming is necessary now as well to satisfy character demand. Yes, but is it easier to extract 500,000 SP off of any character and sell it immediately in Jita, or making/giving up a whole complete character and trying to sell it through the forums?
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Dave Stark
7590
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:28:45 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:a25639 wrote:Maybe sp farming is indeed going to be necessary to satisfy demand. After all character farming is necessary now as well to satisfy character demand. Yes, but is it easier to extract 500,000 SP off of any character and sell it immediately in Jita, or making/giving up a whole complete character and trying to sell it through the forums?
I imagine the best opportunity will be to purchase "imperfect" characters.
you strip out something like mining V, top up some of the support skills with it. sell any left over SP for profit and you're left with a perfect focused character that has lost almost no resale value. |
Jared Khanar
15
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:29:47 -
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Imagine Alliance XYZ. They have trained to fly a specific doctrine because it-¦s the most efficient one. There are many alts involved to support fleets and stuff. They are rich ingamewise and reaching their goals.
Now a feature like sp trading is implemented. As eve is changing constantly this alliance is forced to build up sp farms and activly use it. Why could this be?
Imagine new ships, modifications of existing ones... suddenly the doctrine of this alliance is nomore as effective as they would like to. Maybe they can easily be countered now... so a new doctrine gets developed by fc-¦s and alliance leadership - the new most effective doctrine within the new mechanics. but people have trained for the old doctrines, for the old fittings and fleets. with an established alt-sp farm (the alts are there and payed and their sps are maybe not needed for their purposes) this alliance is now able to almost instantly switch their pvp characters to the new developed doctrine. this may involve huge amounts of isk, but massive alliances are able to pay. so opponents without these sp farms or without the needed assets / isks are suddenly no more competitive within hours. also the choices made bevorehand - which skills to train, which ships to head for, have no impact anymore.
Also, as a side effect, this system can easily be exploited by ccp itself. if something like described above is happening and the company needs money, theres no reason not to change some small apsects here and there, generating an outcome that motivates players to sell / buy / reallocate sps for that instant, needed cashdrop? |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4184
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:31:03 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:a25639 wrote:Maybe sp farming is indeed going to be necessary to satisfy demand. After all character farming is necessary now as well to satisfy character demand. Yes, but is it easier to extract 500,000 SP off of any character and sell it immediately in Jita, or making/giving up a whole complete character and trying to sell it through the forums? I imagine the best opportunity will be to purchase "imperfect" characters. you strip out something like mining V, top up some of the support skills with it. sell any left over SP for profit and you're left with a perfect focused character that has lost almost no resale value. Yeah, agree.
Also, people would certainly pay a premium for a well-built character, compared to the tedium (and probable mistakes) of manually allocating even just 20 million SP.
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Dave Stark
7590
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:32:18 -
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Jared Khanar wrote:Imagine Alliance XYZ. They have trained to fly a specific doctrine because it-¦s the most efficient one. There are many alts involved to support fleets and stuff. They are rich ingamewise and reaching their goals.
Now a feature like sp trading is implemented. As eve is changing constantly this alliance is forced to build up sp farms and activly use it. Why could this be?
Imagine new ships, modifications of existing ones... suddenly the doctrine of this alliance is nomore as effective as they would like to. Maybe they can easily be countered now... so a new doctrine gets developed by fc-¦s and alliance leadership - the new most effective op doctrine within the new mechanics. but peaople have trained for the old doctrines, for the old fittings and fleets. with an established alt-sp farm (the alts are there and payed and their sps are maybe not needed for their purposes) it this alliance is now able to almost instantly switch their pvp characters to the new developed doctrine. this may involve huge amounts of isk, but massive alliances are able to pay. so opponents without these sp farms or without the needed assets / isks are suddenly no more competitive within hours. also the choices made bevorehand - which skills to train, which ships to head for, have no impact anymore.
Also, as a side effect, this system can easily be exploited by sccp itself. if something like described above is happening and the company needs money, theres no reason not to change some small apsects here and there, generating an outcome that motivates players to sell / buy / reallocate sps for that instant, needed cashdrop?
this is literally no different to the situation we have now.
sell the pilot that can't fly the new doctrine, buy one that can.
****, for a decent price you can get one that can fly pretty much all the doctrines to begin with. for less than 100m SP there's very few subcap doctrines you can't fly well.
not to mention you're casually ignoring the logistics of moving/producing thousands of new doctrine ships - which pretty much always has been and always will be a bigger issue than getting people able to fly them. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4184
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:33:59 -
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Jared Khanar wrote:Imagine Alliance XYZ. They have trained to fly a specific doctrine because it-¦s the most efficient one. There are many alts involved to support fleets and stuff. They are rich ingamewise and reaching their goals.
Now a feature like sp trading is implemented. As eve is changing constantly this alliance is forced to build up sp farms and activly use it. Why could this be?
Imagine new ships, modifications of existing ones... suddenly the doctrine of this alliance is nomore as effective as they would like to. Maybe they can easily be countered now... so a new doctrine gets developed by fc-¦s and alliance leadership - the new most effective doctrine within the new mechanics. but people have trained for the old doctrines, for the old fittings and fleets. with an established alt-sp farm (the alts are there and payed and their sps are maybe not needed for their purposes) this alliance is now able to almost instantly switch their pvp characters to the new developed doctrine. this may involve huge amounts of isk, but massive alliances are able to pay. so opponents without these sp farms or without the needed assets / isks are suddenly no more competitive within hours. also the choices made bevorehand - which skills to train, which ships to head for, have no impact anymore.
Also, as a side effect, this system can easily be exploited by ccp itself. if something like described above is happening and the company needs money, theres no reason not to change some small apsects here and there, generating an outcome that motivates players to sell / buy / reallocate sps for that instant, needed cashdrop? Yes, I'm sure goons are already making grand plans for the new system. No tinfoil or grr goons - they're just really good at creating and implementing complex schemes.
As for your last point, that would truly be despicable.
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Delegate
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:34:30 -
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Cearain wrote:Mike Azariah wrote: I sit in Rookie Help Chat and listen to new players trying to figure out how to play for free. How to earn that 1.2 bill within 30 days. Those types, will they stay if I tell them that not only is it unlikely but that they will have to pay extra to be decent at the game.
It would be an added option in the game not a requirement. They can still wait to train into ships and based on the costs in the Aurum store most will wait most of the time. A few may exercise this option, or buy a character. But this isn't changing much.
Actually it does change a lot in new player experience. A player starting the game will then be unable to compete not only with older players but also with those of his peers that bough SP. So he will receive a very clear message: first pay for the sub, then grid/pay for the isk and finally pay for the progress (or be left behind). There is a major difference from character bazaar here. A player with say 2-4m SP isn't going to engage in activities targeted by a 30m SP char bough off the bazaar. But he will meet players of similar age that performs better than him, because, for example they bought 1.2m SP in core skills. After this change retention in new subs will drop. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
173
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:34:45 -
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Colt Blackhawk wrote:I read again some posts and I have to say I am astonished. So people just cry "NOOO" and you can see 60% of all whiners didn-¦t even read the full stuff of proposed changes.
This change won-¦t hardly affect the higher sp players. It simply won-¦t make sense to buy SP if you ave already 100mil sp. This toon for example has almost 70mil sp. NO way buing a ton of sp for this toon. Just do the maths and READ THE DAMN BLOG and now calculate how many sp you would literally trash to get from 70mil to 120mil. In fact the sp destruction due to conversion losses would even first time in eve history decline the total sp groth/player in eve.
Benefits of the proposed changes are mostly for new players. For example: Player A starts mining career, after some months he does accdentaly his first pvp. Now he has almost evrything in mining and no pvp skills. So player A is angry and maybe quits the game because he sees that mining is boring OR he quits the game for four months and lets his skill queue run until his toon is ready for pvp. Why does nobody see this mess???
Ah yes because eve is a vet game and all those vets cry 24/7 about eve is dying and no new players but on the other side they want those new players only for easy targets and to show them how superior the vets are^^ Eve needs a BIG change to attract new players. Forget all those old crying bittervets. The are also responsible for the declining eve player numbers but they refuse to accept it. Maybe the community is the biggest foe of eve actually.
Another benefit is: You skilled on op ship X. CCP nerfs it and you see all your SP have been wasted for this ship. So the wasted SP you do not need any more belong to CCPs responsibility and not yours. With the new changes you can reskill but for the tradeoff of loosing some skill points.
Next thingie: All the bittervets cryinhg about "this is pay to win" refusing to realise they are playing pay2win already for years amuse me. Eve is already pay2win. You want to be a pvp solo god? Just buy plex with money, sell it and buy all the toons you need for solo pvp on char basar. OGB toon: Check. Cloaky falcon toon: CHeck. Cloaky logi toon: Check.
But I bet the whining of all those whiners goes on and on.
These changes WILL make it a lot easier for new players and this is the right direction.
So in other words you want CCP to sacrifice the vets in hopes of attracting new players? Most of the Vets would probably leave and the ones that remain would make it their sole purpose to torture the new blood without mercy. New players spend more and more money to try to get even (to no avail) and the remaining bittervets continues to punish the vengeful new blood. New blood loses faith in game and say it's rigged and leave. Bittervets gets bored with new blood PCU declines and then they leave.. for good. The end of eve. I can see this happening all within the span of a year.
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Jared Khanar
15
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:37:17 -
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Dave Stark wrote:
this is literally no different to the situation we have now.
sell the pilot that can't fly the new doctrine, buy one that can.
****, for a decent price you can get one that can fly pretty much all the doctrines to begin with. for less than 100m SP there's very few subcap doctrines you can't fly well.
not to mention you're casually ignoring the logistics of moving/producing thousands of new doctrine ships - which pretty much always has been and always will be a bigger issue than getting people able to fly them.
hs, low, null, wh - is it all the same? is everyone in need to import their stuff, flying through the half universe tio get it to their members? Are there enough characters on the bazaar to buy one for every member in your alliance? is this really the same we have today? Changes are not announced early enough so we can prepare production? Really?
And if it really is all the same - why introduce something that has no impact in the first place? |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4184
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:37:26 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:The end of eve. I can see this happening all within the span of a year. I'm betting on you being clueless instead.
We'll see who was right next October 2016!
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
173
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:40:05 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Is this "Dave Stark vs the world" here?
So obvious that he's a Dev alt. Why else would a regular pilot defend this atrocious feature throughout the entire 150+ pages of this thread. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
173
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:41:33 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:The end of eve. I can see this happening all within the span of a year. I'm betting on you being clueless instead. We'll see who was right next October 2016!
If this goes through, I won't be around to find out, nor would I care. |
Dave Stark
7590
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:42:00 -
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Jared Khanar wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
this is literally no different to the situation we have now.
sell the pilot that can't fly the new doctrine, buy one that can.
****, for a decent price you can get one that can fly pretty much all the doctrines to begin with. for less than 100m SP there's very few subcap doctrines you can't fly well.
not to mention you're casually ignoring the logistics of moving/producing thousands of new doctrine ships - which pretty much always has been and always will be a bigger issue than getting people able to fly them.
hs, low, null, wh - is it all the same? is everyone in need to import their stuff, flying through the half universe tio get it to their members? Are there enough characters on the bazaar to buy one for every member in your alliance? is this really the same we have today? Changes are not announced early enough so we can prepare production? Really?
the game has been out 3-4 times longer than i've been playing. i can fly literally every subcap with t2 weapons, perfect supports etc. had i not bothered training things like exhumers V i would be a perfect subcap pilot and then some.
characters like mine aren't rare on the bazaar. most people already have them, you don't need to get all of your alliance new characters, just the new characters themselves. looking at the PCU - how many new characters do you think that really is?
the demand is nowhere near as high as i think you think it is. |
Delegate
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:42:28 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Is this "Dave Stark vs the world" here? So obvious that he's a Dev alt. Why else would a regular pilot defend this atrocious feature throughout the entire 150+ pages of this thread.
Its Dave Stark padding the thread in (futile) hope that the message will be lost in noise. |
Dave Stark
7590
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:43:25 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Is this "Dave Stark vs the world" here? So obvious that he's a Dev alt. Why else would a regular pilot defend this atrocious feature throughout the entire 150+ pages of this thread.
for like the 5th time, i'm not defending this idea. i'm just pointing out that nobody has managed to actually come out with an argument as to why this idea is bad.
Delegate wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Is this "Dave Stark vs the world" here? So obvious that he's a Dev alt. Why else would a regular pilot defend this atrocious feature throughout the entire 150+ pages of this thread. It's Dave Stark padding the thread in (futile) hope that the message will be lost in noise.
if i wanted it to be lost in noise i'd just let the people against it drown out any discussion of this new feature with all their whining of preexisting problems that have 0 to do with the suggested idea.
besides, i don't post on eve-o much, gotta get as many posts in as i can in the short time i'm here. |
Jared Khanar
15
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:45:34 -
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Dave Stark wrote: the game has been out 3-4 times longer than i've been playing. i can fly literally every subcap with t2 weapons, perfect supports etc. had i not bothered training things like exhumers V i would be a perfect subcap pilot and then some.
characters like mine aren't rare on the bazaar. most people already have them, you don't need to get all of your alliance new characters, just the new characters themselves. looking at the PCU - how many new characters do you think that really is?
the demand is nowhere near as high as i think you think it is.
So what are the positive effects from a feature without demand, that affects noone, cause you can do everything it brings already now? What else than milking the players wallet further? |
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Dave Stark
7590
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:46:17 -
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Jared Khanar wrote:Dave Stark wrote: the game has been out 3-4 times longer than i've been playing. i can fly literally every subcap with t2 weapons, perfect supports etc. had i not bothered training things like exhumers V i would be a perfect subcap pilot and then some.
characters like mine aren't rare on the bazaar. most people already have them, you don't need to get all of your alliance new characters, just the new characters themselves. looking at the PCU - how many new characters do you think that really is?
the demand is nowhere near as high as i think you think it is.
So what are the positive effects from a feature without demand, that affects noone, cause you can do everything it brings already now? What else than milking the players wallet further?
your hypothetical is nowhere near the sum total of demand.
look at the devblog, there are over 25000 transfers per year. the demand for buying and selling SP is very substantial. |
Malice Redeemer
Redeemer Group
162
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:47:08 -
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The metagaming that this is going to lead to is absurd. Do we really need to make spying less work then it is now?
If you don't think the sp will be hoarded and the market manipulated you are just being silly. The current system doesn't really allow for that, and I think that is a very good thing.
These changes just give even more power to the most powerful groups, and for no reason. There is really very little gain, especially for new players. |
Tristan Agion
Viziam Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:47:32 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:On the other hand, after the SP 'reservoir' is released, you'd still have a lot of active accounts that could extract some or all of their monthly SP... hard to say how strong this 'constant' SP flow will be. Correct. However, the market will stabilise eventually at some price point. We have an upper limit of about 0.25 PLEX. But we have an absolute lower limit as well, which is the ISK equivalent of the AUR extractor cost. I don't think the price has been announced, but say it is 0.05 PLEX. Then you know that the price will stabilise between 0.05 PLEX and 0.25 PLEX.
I think SP trading will be big enough in volume to make this happen fairly quickly, and indeed to make it difficult even for ISK and/or SP rich individuals to shake it up significantly. The really interesting part would be the first few days, or maybe weeks. I think massive ISK fortunes can and will be made, or lost, by speculating on the future price point there. |
Delegate
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
110
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:49:04 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Delegate wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Is this "Dave Stark vs the world" here? So obvious that he's a Dev alt. Why else would a regular pilot defend this atrocious feature throughout the entire 150+ pages of this thread. It's Dave Stark padding the thread in (futile) hope that the message will be lost in noise. if i wanted it to be lost in noise i'd just let the people against it drown out any discussion of this new feature with all their whining of preexisting problems that have 0 to do with the suggested idea. besides, i don't post on eve-o much, gotta get as many posts in as i can in the short time i'm here.
You might have some luck in padding this thread with noise, if there were wasn't that many voices opposing SP trading. At this point your efforts are pathetic. |
Dave Stark
7590
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:49:53 -
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Delegate wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Delegate wrote:Daniela Doran wrote:Big Lynx wrote:Is this "Dave Stark vs the world" here? So obvious that he's a Dev alt. Why else would a regular pilot defend this atrocious feature throughout the entire 150+ pages of this thread. It's Dave Stark padding the thread in (futile) hope that the message will be lost in noise. if i wanted it to be lost in noise i'd just let the people against it drown out any discussion of this new feature with all their whining of preexisting problems that have 0 to do with the suggested idea. besides, i don't post on eve-o much, gotta get as many posts in as i can in the short time i'm here. You might have some luck in padding this thread with noise, if there were wasn't that many voices opposing SP trading. At this point your efforts are pathetic.
as i pointed out earlier, it's as if all the stupid is contained on eve-o as everywhere else is nowhere near as negative about this change. |
Tiberius Heth
Say No to Features
209
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:51:28 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Jared Khanar wrote:Dave Stark wrote: the game has been out 3-4 times longer than i've been playing. i can fly literally every subcap with t2 weapons, perfect supports etc. had i not bothered training things like exhumers V i would be a perfect subcap pilot and then some.
characters like mine aren't rare on the bazaar. most people already have them, you don't need to get all of your alliance new characters, just the new characters themselves. looking at the PCU - how many new characters do you think that really is?
the demand is nowhere near as high as i think you think it is.
So what are the positive effects from a feature without demand, that affects noone, cause you can do everything it brings already now? What else than milking the players wallet further? your hypothetical is nowhere near the sum total of demand. look at the devblog, there are over 25000 transfers per year. the demand for buying and selling SP is very substantial.
You avoided his question, for obvious reasons of course. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4185
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:51:29 -
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Tristan Agion wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:On the other hand, after the SP 'reservoir' is released, you'd still have a lot of active accounts that could extract some or all of their monthly SP... hard to say how strong this 'constant' SP flow will be. Correct. However, the market will stabilise eventually at some price point. We have an upper limit of about 0.25 PLEX. But we have an absolute lower limit as well, which is the ISK equivalent of the AUR extractor cost. I don't think the price has been announced, but say it is 0.05 PLEX. Then you know that the price will stabilise between 0.05 PLEX and 0.25 PLEX. I think SP trading will be big enough in volume to make this happen fairly quickly, and indeed to make it difficult even for ISK and/or SP rich individuals to shake it up significantly. The really interesting part would be the first few days, or maybe weeks. I think massive ISK fortunes can and will be made, or lost, by speculating on the future price point there. Aye.
I would also expect several ISK-trillionaires and also the major alliances to actively try to influence the price, either for ISK-gain or (in the alliances case) to cheaply offer SP-packs to their members.
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Jared Khanar
17
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:53:18 -
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ship replacement programs get extended with sp accumulation programs :D Then recruit a few hundred f1 drones and launch your project ... |
Dave Stark
7590
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:54:35 -
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Tiberius Heth wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Jared Khanar wrote:Dave Stark wrote: the game has been out 3-4 times longer than i've been playing. i can fly literally every subcap with t2 weapons, perfect supports etc. had i not bothered training things like exhumers V i would be a perfect subcap pilot and then some.
characters like mine aren't rare on the bazaar. most people already have them, you don't need to get all of your alliance new characters, just the new characters themselves. looking at the PCU - how many new characters do you think that really is?
the demand is nowhere near as high as i think you think it is.
So what are the positive effects from a feature without demand, that affects noone, cause you can do everything it brings already now? What else than milking the players wallet further? your hypothetical is nowhere near the sum total of demand. look at the devblog, there are over 25000 transfers per year. the demand for buying and selling SP is very substantial. You avoided his question, for obvious reasons of course.
where did i avoid it? he claimed there was no demand in this feature and as such what was the value. his question is irrelevant since there quite obviously is a demand for it.
i demonstrated there was value in it, because there is a demand for it. i quite literally answered his question. |
Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1398
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Posted - 2015.10.18 12:55:02 -
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Delegate wrote:Cearain wrote:Mike Azariah wrote: I sit in Rookie Help Chat and listen to new players trying to figure out how to play for free. How to earn that 1.2 bill within 30 days. Those types, will they stay if I tell them that not only is it unlikely but that they will have to pay extra to be decent at the game.
It would be an added option in the game not a requirement. They can still wait to train into ships and based on the costs in the Aurum store most will wait most of the time. A few may exercise this option, or buy a character. But this isn't changing much. Actually it does change a lot in new player experience. After this, a player starting the game will be unable to compete not only with older players but also with those of his peers that bought SP. So he will receive a very clear message: first pay for the sub, then grid/pay for the ISK and finally pay for the progress (or be left behind). There is a major difference from character bazaar here. A player with say 2-4m SP isn't going to engage in activities targeted by a 30m SP char bough off the bazaar. But he will meet players of similar age that performs better than him, because, for example, they bought 1.2m SP in core skills. After this change retention in new subs will drop.
Every year the game has existed the new player has had to compete at a larger and larger skill point disadvantage. It is only right that ccp would give new players more options to deal with this disadvantage.
Eve has been around a long time. If you started when the game came out no one already had more skill points than you. When I started in 2009 there were more people who already had a leg up on me. Now there even more characters that have more skill points than a new player.
I do not understand you point about the bazarr. If new player A does not buy a character from the bazarr but player B does then player A will not be as competitive as player B.
Asking a new player to come up with the isk to buy an entirely new character is asking too much. But giving a new player the option to get some core skills is more reasonable. Assuming the price is reasonable.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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