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Montecore Qubaal
15 Minute Outliers Novus Dominatum
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Posted - 2015.10.19 18:45:24 -
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It took me awhile but IGÇÖve finally figured out how I feel about this SP trading proposal. I'm against this SP trading scheme because of it's possible negative effects on new players and potential new players. I have two concerns.
My lesser concern is that SP trading makes Eve look even more p2w then it currently does. We, the current Eve players, know that buying skilled characters and buying shiny ships doesn't give you the win but people outside the game, potential new players, don't know this. Looking more p2w will scare away some potential players. ItGÇÖs bad but Eve already looks p2w to outsiders so thatGÇÖs why itGÇÖs a lesser concern to me.
My 2nd and larger concern is that there will be new players who think SP trading is the mechanism by which they "catch up" to veteran players. Maybe thatGÇÖs not what they think exactly but there is potential that new player will come to feel like they need to buy SP to become skilled enough to have fun. I just donGÇÖt like having this possibility in Eve, this game that I love. Getting new players past the new player SP hump (real or imagined) should not involve new ways to spend money because it feels sketchy and makes Eve and CCP look bad. It can make a player feel exploited.
Keep in mind that us veterans perceive things differently then a new player. We know what Eve is about and we know what kind of company CCP is. (IGÇÖve heard stories about bad times but IGÇÖve been playing for 2 years and during that time CCP has been awesome.) Please think about this from the perspective of the new players who are still trying to figure out the game and donGÇÖt yet know how to make ISK. Keep in mind how the community already has to dispel misconceptions that outsiders and new players have about the game. We have to explain that new players can be competitive with low SP. We have to explain how the game is not negatively affected by those spending real money for ISK and characters.
I feel like I didnGÇÖt do a good job explaining my fears and I didnGÇÖt explore solutions but IGÇÖve run out of my time to refine this message. Sorry for this mess.
TL;DR: The NPE needs work. DonGÇÖt fix the NPE by telling new player to spend more real money, it feels dirty. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9346
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Posted - 2015.10.19 18:47:13 -
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Aerasia wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:This is an amazing recruiting tool for them and the other large alliances. Getting the SP necessary to play the game is an amazing recruiting tool you say? Oh, if only there were some way for CCP to address that directly instead of hoping 5,000 Goons will build a NPE support system. The Goons already have the best NPE system in the game. This will just make it better.
I'm not a fan of them, but I have to give them credit where credit is due. When CCP said, "Here's a sandbox. Go play in it.", the SA community actually did.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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General Lootit
RDS Academy Everyb0dy Knows
7
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Posted - 2015.10.19 18:49:13 -
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Moac Tor wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:ColdBeauty wrote:Moac Tor wrote:I can definitley see why the leaders of PL, goons, and others are so fiercely in favour of this. Exactly what I thought as soon as Elise Randolph went on the charm offensive on reddit and various goons started backing this on the forum. ... It will allow them to bring more people in to the game. How is bringing more people in to the game in any way a negative? There is no way they are going to hand out these skill packets to new players, they'll use them primarily for creating alts for various tasks. It is very efficient to use them up to 50mil SP, with 50mil focused in a specific area you can do a hell of a lot. This will not help new players at all. Like I said the only new players who will benefit are those that can afford to spend loads of real money on purchasing them. How I already said I'm newbie that will benefit from it without any RL money involved. |
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
1325
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Posted - 2015.10.19 18:54:57 -
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Lost pages back but this:
Maximus Aerelius wrote:There are already in-game items to help new players called Cerebral Accelerators albeit with severe character age restrictions. Lift the bar a little more on the age that these will work at and add them a bit more to loots\DEDs\Data and\or Relic sites to make them more available. Hell, I'd even go so far as to say give them it as a starter item but link in how to use it and what it's for. There are far better ways to get new guys into ships faster than this.
The best of which is this:
Advanced Cerebral Accelerator
This booster will cease to function for pilots who have been registered for more than 7 days. Bonuses: +17 to all attributes
+17 to ALL attributes. Give that to a new starter from Day 1 or even bump it to +25 to ALL attributes
Benefits: It kicks in from Day 1 Training is amplified so skilling is quicker. They don't skip the content that comes from finding your feet but get to toddle quicker It's free from the start You could seed more so they are available on the market ie new player friendly corps (E-UNI etc) can buy them in Data\Relic\Combat sites or in special mission drops\DED sites\COSMOS It stimulates the economy You still have the choices equal consequences so key to EVE Online Free the dev time required for the -ú-ú-ú for SP and bring the Character Bazaar in-house to the EVE UI
Drawbacks No increase demand for PLEX\Aurum so price doesn't increase You'd have to write a new tutorial on boosters\implants\accelerators or have Aura tell them about the thing that's in their head.
Just some thoughts I'd had. Carry on
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Aerasia
Republic University Minmatar Republic
135
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Posted - 2015.10.19 19:04:54 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:The Goons already have the best NPE system in the game. I haven't thrown in with them, so I can't say. I hear their late game is a bit boring though.
I'd just really love to see an EVE which manages to avoid that 'bugger all to do' SP wall. I'd love to think the goonies might do that (and even had a thread to that effect), but it shouldn't be their burden in the first place.
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darkchild's corpse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
75
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Posted - 2015.10.19 19:06:13 -
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Maximus Aerelius wrote:If that doesn't encourage some PvP then what will.
pump all noobs up to all5, let them choose a pvp role/ship (dd, logi, ewar) and throw them into a big team based deathmatch against other noobs when they are one day old. after that, reset their skills and let them find their way in eve.
edit: this is not my idea and not well thought out but i like it \o/
Kinda suits the SP trading discussion (lyrics in description)
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Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries Stain Confederation
233
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Posted - 2015.10.19 19:07:52 -
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General Lootit wrote:Moac Tor wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:ColdBeauty wrote:Moac Tor wrote:I can definitley see why the leaders of PL, goons, and others are so fiercely in favour of this. Exactly what I thought as soon as Elise Randolph went on the charm offensive on reddit and various goons started backing this on the forum. ... It will allow them to bring more people in to the game. How is bringing more people in to the game in any way a negative? There is no way they are going to hand out these skill packets to new players, they'll use them primarily for creating alts for various tasks. It is very efficient to use them up to 50mil SP, with 50mil focused in a specific area you can do a hell of a lot. This will not help new players at all. Like I said the only new players who will benefit are those that can afford to spend loads of real money on purchasing them. How I already said I'm newbie that will benefit from it without any RL money involved. You won't be able to afford them unless you plan on a career in corp theft and scamming. You'll be priced out the market. I've seen it many times, new players coming into the game with wild dreams of being able to PLEX their account and play for free but when reality hits they can barely even scrape together enough to afford their ships let alone a PLEX.
Suggestion for a rebalance of ECM - Modulated ECM Effects
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Zenethian
No Poops
5
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Posted - 2015.10.19 19:21:16 -
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I sincerely hope that this isn't going to actually happen. This is an absolutely terrible idea. There's so much wrong with it I can't even begin to articulate it; thankfully a lot of people already have, so I won't repeat what they've said.
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Josef Djugashvilis
3039
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Posted - 2015.10.19 19:42:01 -
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The single best thing about Eve is the skill system.
Edit, the single best thing about Eve, WAS the skill system.
This is not a signature.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
960
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Posted - 2015.10.19 19:43:17 -
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CCP Terminus wrote:Mag's wrote:CCP Terminus wrote: Which is why we're taking extra care with this feature. In this case the dev blog came out before any implementation.
Ahh so a PR exercise, but it's still a done deal? Nice. Daniela Doran wrote:Yes I also really like to know if this is a done deal? The $144.00 usd I'm putting into Eve every month hinges on this decision. If it was a done deal we'd have put the dev blog out when it was going to be shipped. The whole point of the dev blog is to gather feedback and assess. It's pretty obvious from where I stand that the possibility of scrapping the proposal entirely is not one you're willing to consider. You want feedback on how to improve it, but it seems you're not interested in addressing arguments as to why you shouldn't do it in the first place. |
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
3220
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Posted - 2015.10.19 19:43:40 -
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CCP Terminus wrote: Some more data: - Most traded characters are 50 million SP or lower. - A good portion of trades are to newer players (measured by new customers not just new accounts).
This gives some insight to the thinking on the limitations in the dev blog, also with some clever math one could estimate how much the extractors might cost. 2700 * 24 * 30 * 26 = 50,544,000 So it takes 26 PLEX at minimum to get to the 50M SP area plus the 2 PLEX needed to transfer a character would put it to a total of 28 PLEX, at the exchange rate of 3500 Aurum/Plex that would net 98,000 Aurum. With a 5M SP minimum requirement for extraction you would get to extract 45.5M from this character at 500,000 per extractor you would need 91 extractors. 98,000 / 91 = 1076.92 Aurum per extractor.
Now for the other end of the math;
400,000 starting SP up to 5M is efficient so you would need 9 extractors to get to 5M SP the next 45M is only 80% efficient. so you would need 56,250,000 SP worth of SP packets or 113 SP packets. So your total would be 121 SP packets.
PLEX costing about 1.25B @ 26 month of training plus 2 PLEX surcharge you SP would be worth 768.48 ISK/SP plus the estimated 1076.92 Aurum 357,142.86 ISK/Aurum
768.48 * 500,000 = 384,240,000 ISK 357,142.86 * 1076.92 = 384,614,288.79 ISK For an estimated total of 768,854,288.79 ISK per SP packet. 768,854,288.79 * 121 = 93B 93B / 1,250,000,000 = 74.4 75 PLEX at the best price of $17.5 per PLEX would cost $1312.5
Highlights
- About 1000 Aurum per Extractor
- 121 SP Packets for a 50M SP player
- Estimated 769m ISK per SP packet
- $1312.5 worth of PLEX to buy the SP to reach 50M
If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3558
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Posted - 2015.10.19 19:44:25 -
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Urziel99 wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:CCP Terminus wrote:Daniela Doran wrote: Very good point.
CCP has squandered the revenues they made from Eve on other non-profitable ventures as stated in the post above. And now in order to compensate for those losses they're trying to dig in deeper and milk their only bread winner even further??
CCP is a company, not a product and it is the goal of any company to outlive any one product they create. If a company relies on a single product for the entirety of their revenue, this is not possible. Yeah companies that sell electricity are never around long are they. Comparing a game software company to a public utility that is consumed by everyone? Apples vs Oranges fail troll -5/10
Yeah, because utilities never go bankrupt nor face sudden and drasticallychanging markets.
And here is how I read that snippet of that comment. We are hoping the future of the company lies elsewhere than EVE, so we are going to milk EVE while it dies. But hey, I'm a glass half full kinda guy.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what?
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General Lootit
RDS Academy Everyb0dy Knows
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Posted - 2015.10.19 19:45:12 -
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Moac Tor wrote: You won't be able to afford them unless you plan on a career in corp theft and scamming. You'll be priced out the market. I've seen it many times, new players coming into the game with wild dreams of being able to PLEX their account and play for free but when reality hits they can barely even scrape together enough to afford their ships let alone a PLEX.
I already did it and having cash on top of that. Only reason why I'm writing here so much and don't playing EVE is traning quee which I can't accselerate. I rather earn some isks and dump them into SP than waiting until training is done. So maybe you need to stop speeking for us all. |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
960
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Posted - 2015.10.19 19:47:10 -
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ColdBeauty wrote:Moac Tor wrote:I can definitley see why the leaders of PL, goons, and others are so fiercely in favour of this. Exactly what I thought as soon as Elise Randolph went on the charm offensive on reddit and various goons started backing this on the forum. They can go **** themselves. They're just as bad as all the miners who whined about barge HP until CCP finally caved and buffed it. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9347
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Posted - 2015.10.19 19:47:11 -
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Moac Tor wrote: You won't be able to afford them unless you plan on a career in corp theft and scamming.
Keep selling that, bro.
Less competition for the people who will be buying them dirt cheap when 100,000 characters worth of SP packs hit the market in the first week this goes live.
You are not a new player. You know this to be true. It's how it always happens when a marketable item is introduced for the first time. It is way overproduced a to the point where you can barely give it away.
That is when I'll be doing my buying. Not a month later when they are all hoarded by speculators.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Lucas Starwalker
Aerospace Defense Association
0
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Posted - 2015.10.19 19:49:26 -
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Hi there, I'm a new payer in Eve online, I just got my first 2 millions of Skill Points and I know that getting anywhere in this game will take me years. That, there is NO option to buy skill points is the main reason for me to stay with EvE online for many years to come. Any manipulations with this feature will result in deleting my character and canceling my account (well I'm paid till March but after ... bye, bye). What you should do in this game is to develop much more personal way of playing (not changing anything in the game) just adding new features, like options to walk on the space ships, visit planets, add special mission (look at "Star Citizen"), I know that's a lot but this game is from 2003 and is getting better and stronger, please DO NOT GO THE BAD WAY. I believe in your team and I hope to stay on a round for many years to come!!!
Lucas Starwalker... |
Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
229
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Posted - 2015.10.19 19:51:16 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Moac Tor wrote: You won't be able to afford them unless you plan on a career in corp theft and scamming.
Keep selling that, bro. Less competition for the people who will be buying them dirt cheap when 100,000 characters worth of SP packs hit the market in the first week this goes live. You are not a new player. You know this to be true. It's how it always happens when a marketable item is introduced for the first time. It is way overproduced a to the point where you can barely give it away. That is when I'll be doing my buying. Not a month later when they are all hoarded by speculators. Mr Epeen
I can't wait to see the price of the packs when they come out. current plan is to hours for plex a couple unused and randomly trained alts to strip there sp and just sell it hopefully at the peak of the new thing crazy. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3558
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Posted - 2015.10.19 19:52:49 -
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Lucas Starwalker wrote:Hi there, I'm a new payer in Eve online, I just got my first 2 millions of Skill Points and I know that getting anywhere in this game will take me years. That, there is NO option to buy skill points is the main reason for me to stay with EvE online for many years to come. Any manipulations with this feature will result in deleting my character and canceling my account (well I'm paid till March but after ... bye, bye). What you should do in this game is to develop much more personal way of playing (not changing anything in the game) just adding new features, like options to walk on the space ships, visit planets, add special mission (look at "Star Citizen"), I know that's a lot but this game is from 2003 and is getting better and stronger, please DO NOT GO THE BAD WAY. I believe in your team and I hope to stay on a round for many years to come!!!
Lucas Starwalker...
Walking in Stations (WiS) is dead as a doornail, IMO. Planets, let alone your own ship...no. Besides you are in a goop filled pod in your ship anyway.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what?
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darkchild's corpse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
76
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Posted - 2015.10.19 19:54:49 -
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General Lootit wrote:So maybe you need to stop speeking for us all.
don't take it too personal. you're not the only noob.
Quote:Hi there, I'm a new payer in Eve online, I just got my first 2 millions of Skill Points and I know that getting anywhere in this game will take me years. That, there is NO option to buy skill points is the main reason for me to stay with EvE online for many years to come. Any manipulations with this feature will result in deleting my character and canceling my account (well I'm paid till March but after ... bye, bye). What you should do in this game is to develop much more personal way of playing (not changing anything in the game) just adding new features, like options to walk on the space ships, visit planets, add special mission (look at "Star Citizen"), I know that's a lot but this game is from 2003 and is getting better and stronger, please DO NOT GO THE BAD WAY. I believe in your team and I hope to stay on a round for many years to come!!!
Lucas Starwalker...
Kinda suits the SP trading discussion (lyrics in description)
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General Lootit
RDS Academy Everyb0dy Knows
7
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Posted - 2015.10.19 19:57:41 -
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darkchild's corpse wrote:General Lootit wrote:So maybe you need to stop speeking for us all. don't take it too personal. you're not the only noob. Quote:Hi there, I'm a new payer in Eve online, I just got my first 2 millions of Skill Points and I know that getting anywhere in this game will take me years. That, there is NO option to buy skill points is the main reason for me to stay with EvE online for many years to come. Any manipulations with this feature will result in deleting my character and canceling my account (well I'm paid till March but after ... bye, bye). What you should do in this game is to develop much more personal way of playing (not changing anything in the game) just adding new features, like options to walk on the space ships, visit planets, add special mission (look at "Star Citizen"), I know that's a lot but this game is from 2003 and is getting better and stronger, please DO NOT GO THE BAD WAY. I believe in your team and I hope to stay on a round for many years to come!!!
Lucas Starwalker... I speaking for myself. |
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General Lootit
RDS Academy Everyb0dy Knows
7
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Posted - 2015.10.19 20:03:20 -
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Lucas Starwalker wrote: That, there is NO option to buy skill points is the main reason for me to stay with EvE online for many years to come. . Are you aware of Character Bazaar? What do you think about it? |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3558
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Posted - 2015.10.19 20:04:17 -
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Lady Rift wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Moac Tor wrote: You won't be able to afford them unless you plan on a career in corp theft and scamming.
Keep selling that, bro. Less competition for the people who will be buying them dirt cheap when 100,000 characters worth of SP packs hit the market in the first week this goes live. You are not a new player. You know this to be true. It's how it always happens when a marketable item is introduced for the first time. It is way overproduced a to the point where you can barely give it away. That is when I'll be doing my buying. Not a month later when they are all hoarded by speculators. Mr Epeen I can't wait to see the price of the packs when they come out. current plan is to hours for plex a couple unused and randomly trained alts to strip there sp and just sell it hopefully at the peak of the new thing crazy.
My view is that SP packets will closely track PLEX prices plus extractor costs over time. So setting up SP alts to PLEX one's account will be feasible by and large.
My problem is that as more and more people start to do this, maybe even expanding the number of their accounts as time goes bye it may require an increasing pressure on new players to provide these PLEX (after all, older players doing this also supplying the PLEX that they will then buy is just stupid). And if that falls apart, then the number of accounts might start to decline maybe even more precipitously than it already is.
Additionally, the negative tone of this thread also leads me to believe that we will see step down in the number of subscriptions as well which may be reflected in the number of players on line.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what?
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Lucas Starwalker
Aerospace Defense Association
2
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Posted - 2015.10.19 20:07:01 -
[3833] - Quote
Teckos Pech wrote:Lucas Starwalker wrote:Hi there, I'm a new payer in Eve online, I just got my first 2 millions of Skill Points and I know that getting anywhere in this game will take me years. That, there is NO option to buy skill points is the main reason for me to stay with EvE online for many years to come. Any manipulations with this feature will result in deleting my character and canceling my account (well I'm paid till March but after ... bye, bye). What you should do in this game is to develop much more personal way of playing (not changing anything in the game) just adding new features, like options to walk on the space ships, visit planets, add special mission (look at "Star Citizen"), I know that's a lot but this game is from 2003 and is getting better and stronger, please DO NOT GO THE BAD WAY. I believe in your team and I hope to stay on a round for many years to come!!!
Lucas Starwalker... Walking in Stations (WiS) is dead as a doornail, IMO. Planets, let alone your own ship...no. Besides you are in a goop filled pod in your ship anyway.
Yeah, you are right. But the development in the good direction can go a long way. Lets say station upgrade, where all players can actually walk and talk to each other in 3D environment. You can make new contacts, or in big corporations new plans to go for a new adventure. Spaceships could have an option to have few pilots on the board for some special missions... It is possible but it will take the time. CCP could make more money by developing this game, so many more players could have something extra in the game but keep the basics at heart... |
Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
450
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Posted - 2015.10.19 20:07:21 -
[3834] - Quote
CCP, when it came to Monocles you kinda did screw up...
This time however, I'd just say **** the whiners and go through with it. From my perspective this is a healthy change to the game that in reality will not affect these whiners in any way, shape or form.
In fact, it would be killing 2 birds with 1 stone. If this goes through then a lot of whiners will hopefully unsub and if lucky maybe even biomass. That means less cancer that is killing EVE. In return there just may be an influx of fresh blood not unlike when Brave did their thing - except now there is an actual feature which could potentially hook them in the game for a longer time. |
Dror
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.10.19 20:11:37 -
[3835] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:The single best thing about Eve is the skill system.
Edit, the single best thing about Eve, WAS the skill system. Motivation science would disagree.
Beyond that, just about everything that comes from games is gameplay, from dynamic socialization through actual skillfulness; and those are all limited by it.
Again, obviously retention is a problem because of SP, else this idea is completely unnecessary. Even more, the problem with it increasing sustain.. is that it's still money, on top of a sub, in a F2P industry. That's the issue now, and it comes from expectations and basic fulfillment processes.. described in motivation, game theory, and decision theory: "There's a tendency to strongly prefer avoiding losses than acquiring gains. Most studies suggest that losses are twice as powerful, psychologically, as gains," which is loss aversion.
Dror wrote:Subs have much less reason, after fantasizing about the depth of the game and hearing about the great engagements, to stay with the game -- subbing to what end for gameplay they have yet to experience? What's really powerful is freedom.
"SP is helpful for the game?" Here's all of the research on motivation -- it says the opposite! What purpose does it serve, then? Starter corps are non-competitive. Sov is unchallenged. "Fix sov!" you say? Remove SP.
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Sair Dontis
Phoenix Dawn LLC Rabbit Wholes
1
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Posted - 2015.10.19 20:12:15 -
[3836] - Quote
I am only a newbie so take what I say with a grain of salt. Though being a newbie I can say that I enjoy the game and find the skill point system for the most part refreshing in some ways. I have yet to not have something to do. I find it refreshing that unlike MMOs like WoW most of your game experience isn't over till next week, nor capped with a limited number of tries to get anywhere.
Honestly the only time that I really feel the "SP Wall" is when being preyed on with endless wardecs by a bored weathly corp/ alliance with higher end ships (that are more expensive than I would want to pay anyway), though they are paying way more than I am to maintain their CONCORD bribe.
Alright to the heart of it as I see it from a new pilot stand point. I find the Skill Point (SP) system well paced. By this I mean that by the time you have trained into said ship or profession hub skill (PI, research, etc) you will actually have the ISK to pay it as long as you didn't moan too much about losing a ship or two in the process. Honestly the only real time that I lost a ship(s) was when I was pushing the envelope and overextended. My point is simply having more skills in no way insulates you from the cold harsh universe of EVE, nor should it.
I as a new player love that I am building a character that is for the most part solely built from the ground up by my choices. I can not understand some of fellow new pilots saying that they "wasted" their time with a "worthless" skill. It is not as if you can make a mistake and erase the skill once you learn, actually you don't even lose your progress in the skill if you remove it from your queue (I am looking at you professions of Wow) !
I see if given the choice to erase my "mistakes" either through remapping my skill points or simply selling my character as diluting the game of EVE itself one SP or character at a time. I don't see myself as a victim or the super rich or highly skilled characters/ corps/ alliances out there. To tell you the truth, now like I said I am not a veteran of this game yet, but the mere fact that I can train into a Tech III Destroyer in under a month as amazing (granted I would not have the skills yet to fully take advantage of all it can do) and a huge bone thrown to the just starting player!
TLDR: If I have not been clear, I would like to say my feedback as a just started EVE player, would be a resounding NO! to being able to purchase Skill Points in any way, shape, or form. I personally would see it as losing something that truly makes my Capsuleer unique to me. |
Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
229
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Posted - 2015.10.19 20:13:14 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Lady Rift wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Moac Tor wrote: You won't be able to afford them unless you plan on a career in corp theft and scamming.
Keep selling that, bro. Less competition for the people who will be buying them dirt cheap when 100,000 characters worth of SP packs hit the market in the first week this goes live. You are not a new player. You know this to be true. It's how it always happens when a marketable item is introduced for the first time. It is way overproduced a to the point where you can barely give it away. That is when I'll be doing my buying. Not a month later when they are all hoarded by speculators. Mr Epeen I can't wait to see the price of the packs when they come out. current plan is to hours for plex a couple unused and randomly trained alts to strip there sp and just sell it hopefully at the peak of the new thing crazy. My view is that SP packets will closely track PLEX prices plus extractor costs over time. So setting up SP alts to PLEX one's account will be feasible by and large. My problem is that as more and more people start to do this, maybe even expanding the number of their accounts as time goes bye it may require an increasing pressure on new players to provide these PLEX (after all, older players doing this also supplying the PLEX that they will then buy is just stupid). And if that falls apart, then the number of accounts might start to decline maybe even more precipitously than it already is. Additionally, the negative tone of this thread also leads me to believe that we will see step down in the number of subscriptions as well which may be reflected in the number of players on line.
Which is why im going to burn my 15, 11 and 9 mil sp alts that haven't been used or subbed in almost years at this point to take all there sp and hope that the price is sky high at the start. I realize that the price will normalize down to plex+extractor which is why my plan is to do it right off when released as I don't plan to sub those accounts unless over the long term it is shown to be profitable to actually run an alt for sp harvesting only.
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Dave Stark
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Highlights
- About 1000 Aurum per Extractor
- 121 SP Packets for a 50M SP player
- Estimated 769m ISK per SP packet
- $1312.5 worth of PLEX to buy the SP to reach 50M
what's ~1000 aurum in isk? |
Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
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General Lootit wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:General Lootit wrote:That change not about humiliating vets but about helping newbie to test more activities in shorter time. So they could choose their specialization which they like. Don't be jealous - you already have huge advantage. So...just give them more starter SP? This thing just looks like an reasonable attempt to make things easier for newbies (good, sure, whatever) but then goes completely off the rails by haphazardly trying to pay lip service the economy, then further mangling it with diminishing returns and whatnot. No, thanks. Original purpose is good enough. Main issue of free starting SP thats it's free. It doesn't encourage to participate in game and just "makes life of newbie easire". I talked about not easier but shorter in terms of time.
Then...give every newbie a buffed cerebral accelerator that exponentially decays?
If a system is soooo fragile that it requires half or more the playerbase be shut out in order to work, then, it's probably not a good system. In any game, let alone the famously "single shard, one economy" game. |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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General Lootit wrote:I already did it and having cash on top of that. Only reason why I'm writing here so much and don't playing EVE is traning quee which I can't accselerate. I rather earn some isks and dump them into SP than waiting until training is done. So maybe you need to stop speeking for us all. Good, so your opinion on that subject doesn't matter. You perform scam, have lots of ISK, buy a toon on market. You can afford it. Not every noob will perform a scam, will have lots of cash and buy toon from market. I'm not speaking for you, I'm speaking for them. You a perfect representant of insta gratification generation. If CCP wants to lean player base on such players I'm outta here. This game will become even easier than now. They may earn money this way at start, but insta gratification crowd has short focus plane, and gets boring fast.
"(...) I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas (...)"
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