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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3510
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:10:26 -
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Skilo wrote:I've been playing this game since 2003
I'm a proud "owner" of a multi million skill point char who took me 12 years to get
To imagine someone can now just join eve and buy it of with real money will make me unsub all my accounts
I've been with CCP for the good times and the bad times but for this i will not!!!!
Hey i can stop playing for 1 year and if i decide to return get the euros i saved and buy all the skill points i've "lost"
IF i decide to return ofc
Want to take the risk CCP?
I'm sure i'm not the only one thinking the same way
That ship sailed long ago. With enough money somebody could buy a character with over a hundred million SP. Even more.
You should have quit years ago, to be quite honest.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
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Styphon the Black
Forced Euthanasia Soviet-Union
41
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:10:50 -
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I loved everything about this suggested feature!! It is something I have been screaming wanting for the last year and getting squashed at every forum post that I made suggesting such a thing.
Thank you!!
The only thing that I don't really love is the diminishing returns. Also I hope that 1 SP = 1 SP and it isn't selling a diminished value of skill points. So if you pull 2 million skill points out of Toon "A" and sell those, the buyer can only receive 500k SP in toon "B" or some other crap.
Also will the original character bazaar still be able to still be used? I certainly hope so.
My main issue with trading characters in the first place was being stuck with the a terrible name. |
ISK IRON BANK
I Want ISK Corp
36
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:10:58 -
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Buy SP using plex
Buy char from Forum using plex
Not sure why everyone is getting excited over this. |
TheSmokingHertog
TALIBAN EXPRESS
338
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:11:07 -
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Skilo wrote:Malcanis wrote:Skilo wrote:I've been playing this game since 2003
Hey i can stop playing for 1 year and if i decide to return get the euros i saved and buy all the skill points i've "lost"
I wish I could warn you not to give them ideas like that. The point is that it goes against everyhting CCP always said about Pay to Win This is PAY TO WIN You pay you get skills you get better ships and guns you win PAY TO WIN
The skillpool in EVE would not change in size, how is this pay to win?
"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X
"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron
-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
2034
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:11:25 -
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Nergart wrote:....so how long before eve is free to play?
i only ask so i can stop paying CCP any money?
Eve is already free to play. I have only ever directly given CCP money once, for my initial 30 days of subscription time. After that, I have kept all my accounts going strictly from in-game isk.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Wribbley
Molotov Holdings Limited Molotov Coalition
14
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:11:32 -
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Y'know, I see a lot of hate directed towards the old "bittervet" playerbase.
I actually see it from the other standpoint. I like to think of myself as rich, (ingame) and I have very little to spend my isk on - apart from investing it to try and earn more isk.
I would abuse the hell out of it, just because I could (10% return not an issue tbh).
The only way I can see this working is setting a permanent hard cap (eg 20/25 mil). As in when you hit that, no more injecting sp.
This would allow new players who could afford it (through whatever payment method) a chance to get a not insignificant boost, nor I would expect a massive gamebreaking one. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3510
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:11:53 -
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Skilo wrote:Malcanis wrote:Skilo wrote:I've been playing this game since 2003
Hey i can stop playing for 1 year and if i decide to return get the euros i saved and buy all the skill points i've "lost"
I wish I could warn you not to give them ideas like that. The point is that it goes against everyhting CCP always said about Pay to Win This is PAY TO WIN You pay you get skills you get better ships and guns you win PAY TO WIN
Character bazaar dude....been there for years. Maybe you should, you know...play the game and read the forums vs. just paying to have your character earn SP.
Just out of curiosity...have you ever actually undocked?
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
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159Pinky
Under Heavy Fire Mordus Angels
34
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:12:51 -
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So, why on earth have you even spent time on this? The forums are filled with questions and grievances from players about stuff (tm) that needs fixing. Yet you guys come up with something we didn't ask for, nor need.
Moreover you'll make the ****** up eve economy even more ****** up.
Really CCP: get your priorities straightened and then get back to us with something the player asked.... |
TRAVS
Quam Singulari Industry
2
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:13:12 -
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F**king idiots |
TheSmokingHertog
TALIBAN EXPRESS
338
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:13:12 -
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Samillian wrote:I cannot believe that you have even considered this, you would be better to just turn the servers off and walk away than debase and devalue your game like this.
Please leave, if we loose this attitude in EVE, we have a much better sandbox left, and more people who come in will stick around, that would be awesome.
"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X
"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron
-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
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Esme Moya Mencken
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:13:22 -
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/me opens up Steam for the first time in a month.
Rather than rage-post, I'll just wait for the storm to hopefully blow over and for CCP to publish their actual intentions. |
Monasucks
BLACK SQUADRON. RAZOR Alliance
151
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:13:38 -
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Skinzee wrote:Captain Africa wrote:TheSmokingHertog wrote:Skinzee wrote:Skinzee wrote:I have a question for ALL people that say this is a bad idea...
--- WHAT EFFECT WOULD IT HAVE ON YOU AS A PILOT IF THIS WOULD ACTUALLY GO LIVE? ---
There is already an option to buy 0-200m SP characters... Character Bazaar - (Thats Pay2Win if you look at it that way)
Would love someone to actually give me a valid answer to this question. As far as I can see, there is none. I do... Bitter vets would have more people around them that could fly high end doctrines like they do. Just by roaming off their own SP. Lemme throw this right back at you ...I had to wait 6 years to get my character trained up to be 145 mil sp do you think it fair that you would be able to achieve that by just buying sp and whalla ? Honest answer? Yes. Why not?Because your mad that this option wasn't available when you first started? What difference would it make to you if I spent -ú100's to boost my character to your level? I can fly the same ship as you? Boo Hoo...
200Gé¼ for 145 SP, which are 6 years and several billion isk - so let's say ~ 1500Gé¼ in subscription alone + at least 10.000Gé¼ in ISK (if done the math converted back over PLEX price to RL money )
So spend ~12000Gé¼ not 100.
Thats a big difference because EVE is build by patiences and time and the social structure that develops in your corp and alliances etc.
You SIR are still in an n00b corp. Guess if you have tomorrow that 145m SP ? I and many other I know would not except you in that corps, for the next few years.
Can I haz you're stuff?
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Electra Magnetic
Echelon Research SpaceMonkey's Alliance
36
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:13:42 -
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I don't think the diminishing returns is a good idea. An old player should equally be able to acquire SP and apply them towards something like super carrier or titan training as a young player. Why should old players have to suffer because they did not specialize into the biggest ships in the game early?
You are still keeping the character bazaar where people can buy their way into the hundreds of millions of skillpoints, so why have diminishing returns at all? Its not a balanced or fair approach. If I want to spend money to get skillpoints, I should be able to spend money to get skillpoints equally from all sources.
If you are going to make an in-game item for people to buy to apply skillpoints then do it equally for everyone. Have a set standard where 10 dollars buys 100k SP or something and leave it at that.
And for the love of god do something about plex trading. A 20% increase in price within 2 months represents the economy of EVE going down the toilet and doing things in game to earn isk like ratting and mining being a worthless waste of time compared to dropping a few dollars to gain superiority over other players. This game is turning into pay to win at every turn and its disgusting.
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Kavoro Pel
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
55
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:13:45 -
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Nope nope nope |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17150
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:14:21 -
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ISK IRON BANK wrote:Buy SP using plex
Buy char from Forum using plex
Not sure why everyone is getting excited over this.
Pay for a nice dinner when I take your sister out for a date
Pay your sister to just go straight to my hotel room
Not sure why you'd get excited over this
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3510
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:14:25 -
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ISK IRON BANK wrote:Buy SP using plex
Buy char from Forum using plex
Not sure why everyone is getting excited over this.
Which is why I'm perplexed too.
And this isn't even just buying SP. Somebody has to drain their SP first to put it on the market.
Will people have SP farms? Maybe but why be so dumb and have multiple accounts just to earn ISK. Just go buy PLEX and sell them in game for ISK.
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Skilo
Higher Than Everest The-Culture
20
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:14:39 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Skilo wrote:I've been playing this game since 2003
I'm a proud "owner" of a multi million skill point char who took me 12 years to get
To imagine someone can now just join eve and buy it of with real money will make me unsub all my accounts
I've been with CCP for the good times and the bad times but for this i will not!!!!
Hey i can stop playing for 1 year and if i decide to return get the euros i saved and buy all the skill points i've "lost"
IF i decide to return ofc
Want to take the risk CCP?
I'm sure i'm not the only one thinking the same way That ship sailed long ago. With enough money somebody could buy a character with over a hundred million SP. Even more. You should have quit years ago, to be quite honest.
Still that char had to be trained for all those years.
And why should have i quit years ago? did i killed you recently?
Oh i know. i have a diferent opinion then yourself or CCP?
My point again is that CCP always said this would never hapen ....PAY TO WIN ... LOL |
Kilian Katar
Tenth Company
1
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:15:01 -
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ISK IRON BANK wrote:Buy SP using plex
Buy char from Forum using plex
Not sure why everyone is getting excited over this.
Characters take time to train, their skills and how they are spread or dedicated defines their worth, they sometimes come with a background, there is risk involved for those that train to sell (the demand may vanish)
SP is SP and in its raw form will have a constant worth. 25m SP on the bazaar can vary wildly in price, in SP form it wouldn't |
FZappa
INDUSTRIA BATTLETECH Short Bus Syndicate
2
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:15:04 -
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beside this reeking of pay to win (which can already be done today by buying a character off the bazaar) this messes up our ability to asses a character risk level by looking at its age.
for example , that lone 3 day old character in system with me is not much of a risk.. suddenly , he decloaks in a bomber , points me , and lights a covops cyno for his blops buddies
in other words , this can be exploited to game breaking levels by either players with deep wallets or vast sums of isk handy . |
J Livermore
Flaming Sideburns Social Club
2
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:15:15 -
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I'm not going to pretend that I would what this would do the game in big picture, but I know that when this goes online I'll start looking other games to play. |
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Vogels
Original Sinners Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:15:32 -
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If anything this positively enforces sticking with your character. Corp history and reputation is more important then overall SP in this game, and more people will want to keep the former if they can adjust the ladder.
The diminishing returns is interesting, but I believe it should be more about **how much SP in a timeframe** that gets dimished, not based off your total SP.
For instance - Someone who has 80m sp, but only wants to change 5m SP every few months should not feel the same isk sink as somebody who has 80m sp, but ones to trade out 40m of it in a week.
With this type of system, long term gameplay is rewarded, those wanting instant gratification or pay-to-win are penalized. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3511
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:16:03 -
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Skilo wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Skilo wrote:I've been playing this game since 2003
I'm a proud "owner" of a multi million skill point char who took me 12 years to get
To imagine someone can now just join eve and buy it of with real money will make me unsub all my accounts
I've been with CCP for the good times and the bad times but for this i will not!!!!
Hey i can stop playing for 1 year and if i decide to return get the euros i saved and buy all the skill points i've "lost"
IF i decide to return ofc
Want to take the risk CCP?
I'm sure i'm not the only one thinking the same way That ship sailed long ago. With enough money somebody could buy a character with over a hundred million SP. Even more. You should have quit years ago, to be quite honest. Still that char had to be trained for all those years. And why should have i quit years ago? did i killed you recently? Oh i know. i have a diferent opinion then yourself or CCP? My point again is that CCP always said this would never hapen ....PAY TO WIN ... LOL
So what, those SP had to be trained too. The only way for SP to get on the market is if somebody trains them, then drains them (for a cost) then puts them on the market.
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Monasucks
BLACK SQUADRON. RAZOR Alliance
151
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:16:04 -
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Malcanis wrote:ISK IRON BANK wrote:Buy SP using plex
Buy char from Forum using plex
Not sure why everyone is getting excited over this. Pay for a nice dinner when I take your sister out for a date Pay your sister to just go straight to my hotel room Not sure why you'd get excited over this
Bwahaha Malc
so true
Can I haz you're stuff?
[i][b]A good worker is a live worker. Free to live - and work! A bad worker is a dead worker; and vice versa. Don't be a bad worker; bad workers are slaves, and dead. Payday for good workers has been postponed indefinitely. Pa
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Sean Crees
Sean's Safe Haven
17
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:16:10 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:[img]http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/68656/1/skilltrade1_550.jpg[/img] The Character Bazaar has been around for a while, allowing enterprising players to buy and sell characters from others. Lately, we've been exploring some new ideas around improving it, but ultimately realized that our effort was better spent investigating a similar idea: skill trading. This is a pretty big thing, so make sure you read the entire dev blog, and let us know what you think of the ideas inside. Please also read this reminder on our forum rules ~ ISD Decoy
LOVE IT!
Don't let the vocal minority get you down. Check the reddit page: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3ov6p8/dev_blog_exploring_the_character_bazaar_skill/
The top upvoted comment with 240 points and climbing with very constructive feedback fully supports this idea. |
Captain Africa
GRIM MARCH Circle-Of-Two
121
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:16:26 -
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Querns wrote:Captain Africa wrote:TheSmokingHertog wrote:Skinzee wrote:Skinzee wrote:I have a question for ALL people that say this is a bad idea...
--- WHAT EFFECT WOULD IT HAVE ON YOU AS A PILOT IF THIS WOULD ACTUALLY GO LIVE? ---
There is already an option to buy 0-200m SP characters... Character Bazaar - (Thats Pay2Win if you look at it that way)
Would love someone to actually give me a valid answer to this question. As far as I can see, there is none. I do... Bitter vets would have more people around them that could fly high end doctrines like they do. Just by roaming off their own SP. Lemme throw this right back at you ...I had to wait 6 years to get my character trained up to be 145 mil sp do you think it fair that you would be able to achieve that by just buying sp and whalla ? Given that the achievement's barrier to entry is merely time and the payment of a monthly subscription, yes, I think it's totally fair. Your accomplishment is fairly meaningless; anyone can do it if they just wait.
You wouldn't be able to afford me ...you wanna know why because i have a history ...and associated with that sp. If i was just sitting in a station then sure I would agree with you.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3511
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:17:09 -
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Kilian Katar wrote:ISK IRON BANK wrote:Buy SP using plex
Buy char from Forum using plex
Not sure why everyone is getting excited over this. Characters take time to train, their skills and how they are spread or dedicated defines their worth, they sometimes come with a background, there is risk involved for those that train to sell (the demand may vanish) SP is SP and in its raw form will have a constant worth. 25m SP on the bazaar can vary wildly in price, in SP form it wouldn't
The SP will not be created out of thin air. They have to be drained from an existing character who took the time to train those SP.
FFS, read the Dev Blog and engage the brain people.
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Aivo Dresden
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
469
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:17:10 -
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Such a bad idea. Can't stress how much I don't like it. |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
2035
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:18:42 -
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FZappa wrote:beside this reeking of pay to win (which can already be done today by buying a character off the bazaar) this messes up our ability to asses a character risk level by looking at its age. for example , that lone 3 day old character in system with me is not much of a risk.. suddenly , he decloaks in a bomber , points me , and lights a covops cyno for his blops buddies in other words , this can be exploited to game breaking levels by either players with deep wallets or vast sums of isk handy . I recommend adopting a Not Blue Shoot It policy.
Also, in my experience (on both sides of the fence,) if you wait to react until you've loaded the character info screen, you're probably already dead.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Nergart
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
9
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:19:07 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:For people quitting in protest I remind them that Operation Magic School Bus does accept donations to help out the new players. Yes, this is a 'can I haz' post but it is one where the material will be put to good use, not just lining a wallet or hanger. Contract to me if you wish to donate.
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what new players?
also this does kind of prove my point about the individuals being part of the CSM for their own gains
Eve does not have a learning curve, its a learning cliff. Either learn to fly on the way down or its going to be a hard landing
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Divine Entervention
Rational Chaos Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic
688
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Posted - 2015.10.15 18:19:16 -
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a guy I know asked me, "how's eve?"
Knowing he was possibly interested in joining the game to play it with me, and me being a completely honest person I had to immediately approach the situation with truth.
"it's fun, but I've had this guy subbed for 8 months now and I'm just now getting to the point where I will soon be able to properly fly only a small fraction of available ships with the proper skills."
I can't recommend the game to him and others because I know he wont be able to actually do things with me and be a fair contributor to my goals for almost a year.
I'm egotistical and narcissistic and #thebest and all, but even I can't lie to a friend and try tricking him into joining the game when I know full well that he will be disappointed with the options available to him.
At least now I'll be able to tell him, "join now and we can grind you isk for a month and be able to start buying skills to help you get to where I am and we can both fly around space dominating dudes together". |
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