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Vabanaz Arjar
Damned Nebula Privateers
26
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Posted - 2016.02.06 10:11:20 -
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Now people get angry because it's not cheap enough, hilarious! If those things don't sell as expected they will throw in a 10% discount every now and then. So don't worry they'll make sure that you're able to buy those things.
I'll be there to laugh at CPP Management when they realize they are broke because the majority of the loyal customers left. Only problem is it requires a certain ability of self-criticism to learn from those kind of fails and most managers are unable to accept that it was their fault - so they will probably never understand what did go wrong.
The only interesting thing for me right now is which company will aquire the EvE-Brand after CPP has successfully failed.
who pulls the strings?
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Yaosus
The Senate and People of Rome Kids With Guns Alliance
16
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Posted - 2016.02.06 10:27:17 -
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A bunch of frustrated individuals scared that the new players will take their booty. CIKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINS!!!
ONE THING TO REMEMBER : You need SKILL and coordination in Eve to be successful.
A vast majority of the eve players thrive on being cocky and brag about their 200 mil SP char who can 1 shot anything. Mewhahahahahahaha.
Eve will be more accessible now to new players and more DYNAMIC. Hold on to your breeches the noobs will bring huge di*do shaped ships in nullsec and make you run in fear screaming and holding your "wormhole" en route to hisec. Ahahahahahahahaha ... Mewhahahahah.
A great decision.
I already put aside 2 grand to turn my main into a super pilot. BOOOHOOO1 |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
4644
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Posted - 2016.02.06 10:42:27 -
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Leonardo Adami wrote:Was a huge supporter of these until the price came out. CCP lies again. Seriously F**k y'all for lying saying these were for newbros. They're not. You're just after money.
The money grab was obvious since CCP said that extractors would cost AUR, rather than have their BPs seeded into Tranquility so they became player manufactued items.
CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now".
62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?"
CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
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Samsara Toldya
Academy of Contradictory Behaviour
434
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Posted - 2016.02.06 13:16:41 -
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Quote from the Devblog of CCP Rise:
Quote:That part really hits home for me because when I made that jump from 15mil SP to 33mil SP I went from being called GÇÿTurbo DinosaurGÇÖ to being called GÇÿKil2GÇÖ. Puke.
'Kil2' had 19.4m SP the moment it was sold to 'Turbo Dinosaur' for 3b ISK + transfer fee. I know what you bought 2007
3 month later 'Turbo Dinosaur' was sold (back?) for 3.25b ISK to 'kil2' + transfer fee.
Fast forward to feb 9th: Instead of buying 'Kil2' with his corp theft history CCP Rise would only need to buy 45 skill injectors. That's 45 extractors worth 35955-44955 Aurum + whatever players will charge for 500k SP.
(~500k SP new charakter + 9 injectors (500k each) to reach 5m SP + 36 injectors (400k each) to reach 19.4m SP)
That's 10-13 PLEX for extractors alone.
How many rookies will be able to do the same progression in 2016?
Quote: or someone like me who just realized that they would rather fly ArmageddonGÇÖs than Stilettos, this feature has you covered. This all fits nicely to our overall game design philosophy of giving you control over your experience through cooperation and competition with each other.
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Subrahmaya Chandrasekhar
42
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Posted - 2016.02.06 21:55:27 -
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So. When I first started in the fall of 2008, it was awesome to witness the presence of the pilots who had started in 2004. Their ships and what they could do with them, my imagination still staggers with the memory of how it felt to watch the docking and undocking at Jita 4-4 There was a tradition, a knowledge that those who had given their time to the community, who had molded their character, gone through the pain and reached for success, a knowledge they had stood the test of the burning fires of time and shown their will, their endurance, their heart. I fear that greatness may now be diminished
Maybe the time has come for me to sail into the west
[u]The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.-á[/u]
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qsanq
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.02.06 22:23:07 -
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pajedas
Warlord of Mars
43
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Posted - 2016.02.07 01:50:51 -
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Leonardo Adami wrote:Was a huge supporter of these until the price came out. CCP lies again. Seriously F**k y'all for lying saying these were for newbros. They're not. You're just after money. Gåæ THIS Gåæ
Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading
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Zozoll Neblyn
Ziggurat Forge
21
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Posted - 2016.02.07 07:09:23 -
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I agree there is a chance I might unsub too. Not out of rage. Just out of boredom. Once every problem can be solved by getting out my credit card, the game no longer holds the same excitement. I'm already starting to play other video games more frequently, and log onto Eve less.
That's neither a threat, nor a promise. I think they designed a great game and they deserve to make all the money they can out of it, but this new direction may prove not to be very fun for me.
Trevier Bardou wrote:Ok, now as I'm aware about it, I wanna throw my hat into the ring aswell
I know, i paused the game for a longer period again (due to my personal time management), and started on Dec 4th with my 3 alts because I always loved the concept of this whole sandbox universe. Why did I came back the 3rd time, after being some time "offline"? Because of the charms Eve had in the past and because I'm convinced than Eve has a concept who can substain some more time More than this, I thought it might be a good idea to talk to some real-live friends if they wanna start with eve. And, surprise, they started with eve on the 6th and 7th of Dec, having fun since then in a cool sandbox universe!
PLEASE considere: Eve is the only MMO were you have such a this long time motivation, fair to said other games have other things, but this makes Eve precious and unique, defferent of the other 1000th MMOs
If SP trading will be made posible this means: - Pay to win! - No one cares about any Alt decisions you made, as you can easily create a new account and transfer everything to the new account. - Past of Eve Alts will be rewriten as players actions will be forgotten as the numbers of new Alts will emerge once and once again, creating tons of new accounts and old accounts will be deleted in order to free space for the next new alt. - Players community will definitively descend, as you are not gonna met old pales ever again, motivation to play with good ingame friends will be about 0, as you will find you entire friendlist get distracted if they persist in eve.
So this will mean for us, being a player with some years of experience and 4 folks who started right away, a point of no return / discussion. If Eve implements this Pay4Win feature, then we will move along and try some of the other new emerging MMOs
It would cost quite a lot of real money to actually trade out the skills on a high SP character. At 20 m SP, you're looking at buying 38 extractors to get your new character up to 15 m SP (The last 5 m won't transfer). Assuming you buy them in bulk and buy 40 of them, you've spent 32000 Aur. Or almost 9 PLEX.
That's for a fairly low SP character.
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BearStrikesBack
Sequent Industry Out of Sight.
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Posted - 2016.02.07 07:49:02 -
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Can someone (preferably who tested it on test server) clarify one thing: Assume I have 79KK trained SP. I consume 3 injectors, which gives me about 1kk free SP (300k per item). I don't allocate free SP, still having 79kk SP trained and about 1kk free.
So, the question is very simple - how much would I get from the 4th injector? 300 (as I have 79kk SP trained) or 150 (as I have 79+1 total SP)? |
George Gouillot
Black Fox Marauders
95
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Posted - 2016.02.07 08:24:43 -
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BearStrikesBack wrote:Can someone (preferably who tested it on test server) clarify one thing: Assume I have 79KK trained SP. I consume 3 injectors, which gives me about 1kk free SP (300k per item). I don't allocate free SP, still having 79kk SP trained and about 1kk free.
So, the question is very simple - how much would I get from the 4th injector? 300 (as I have 79kk SP trained) or 150 (as I have 79+1 total SP)?
150 - unallocated SP count towards the limits. At least they do on SiSi. |
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BearStrikesBack
Sequent Industry Out of Sight.
2
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Posted - 2016.02.07 09:02:36 -
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Yeah, thank you. Tested already by myself.
Well played CCP, so much hypocrisy, so much words about new content and that SP is not coming from nowhere (and other blah-blah-blah) with a single idea - to get more money.
Hello 2010 again? Oculars for 15$ as new (desired by players) content? Are we gonna see some inside job done again?
P.S. Year 2016. You still can't change your ingame name in Eve Online. You can transfer character, but not change the name. |
pajedas
Warlord of Mars
43
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Posted - 2016.02.07 14:12:44 -
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What's next??? Rebates???
Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading
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Mintoko
Taedium In Perpetuam
38
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Posted - 2016.02.07 17:00:13 -
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BearStrikesBack wrote:Can someone (preferably who tested it on test server) clarify one thing: Assume I have 79KK trained SP. I consume 3 injectors, which gives me about 1kk free SP (300k per item). I don't allocate free SP, still having 79kk SP trained and about 1kk free.
So, the question is very simple - how much would I get from the 4th injector? 300 (as I have 79kk SP trained) or 150 (as I have 79+1 total SP)?
Please don't cross-post.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6323579#post6323579 |
GR455H0PPER
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2016.02.07 20:11:33 -
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Quote:Less than 5,000,000 skill points trained -> 500,000 unallocated SP injected 5,000,000 - 50,000,000 skill points trained -> 400,000 unallocated SP injected 50,000,000 - 80,000,000 skill points trained -> 300,000 unallocated SP injected 80,000,000 or greater skill points trained -> 150,000 unallocated SP injected
final comment on this from me
**** OFF CCP YOU MONEY MILKING CUNTS
sorry for my french i suck at english |
B0RG 0VERLORD
Viziam Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2016.02.07 20:28:52 -
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BearStrikesBack wrote:Yeah, thank you. Tested already by myself.
Well played CCP, so much hypocrisy, so much words about new content and that SP is not coming from nowhere (and other blah-blah-blah) with a single idea - to get more money.
Hello 2010 again? Oculars for 15$ as new (desired by players) content? Are we gonna see some inside job done again?
P.S. Year 2016. You still can't change your ingame name in Eve Online. You can transfer character, but not change the name.
Dear Jesus give then another reason to extort monies out of your pocket why dont you |
Yaosus
The Senate and People of Rome Kids With Guns Alliance
16
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Posted - 2016.02.08 10:33:05 -
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B0RG 0VERLORD wrote:
Dear Jesus give then another reason to extort monies out of your pocket why dont you
You do not have to buy the injectors. Try to start playing Eve now and compare your toon to someone else's toon from 2004. |
pajedas
Warlord of Mars
44
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Posted - 2016.02.09 16:01:43 -
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Has anyone figured out if the skill book can be destroyed? That would make CCP more money. I for one would not want a skill left at zero without the option to remove the skill altogether.
Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading
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Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order
220
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Posted - 2016.02.09 16:34:53 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:more bs.
agian bs, twisting out words, wots of empty meaning, lack of basic understanding of market and economy. And as a conclusion lie again as you have never provided any counter argument for the side effects i have mentioned. Of course i am not surprised. CBA to reply to it since its pointless, you do not want to understand (or you are not capable, whatever).
In the end [sarcasm] smart [ /sarcasm] guys will implement it and we will see in future what will this bring us. I predict less players and much higher plex cost.
There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1904
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Posted - 2016.02.09 19:57:01 -
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Don ZOLA wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:more bs. agian bs, twisting out words, wots of empty meaning, lack of basic understanding of market and economy. And as a conclusion lie again as you have never provided any counter argument for the side effects i have mentioned. Of course i am not surprised. CBA to reply to it since its pointless, you do not want to understand (or you are not capable, whatever). In the end [sarcasm] smart [ /sarcasm] guys will implement it and we will see in future what will this bring us. I predict less players and much higher plex cost. For a guy who in one location claims he doesn't want to talk about it anymore you sure like to throw a bunch of words at it while not even trying to argue anything anymore. There's some irony in coming into both threads even after the fact just to make sure your last whinge on the subject is heard while claiming you "won't enter discussion on the matter."
But it's entirely what I've come to expect of you so carry on I suppose. |
pajedas
Warlord of Mars
65
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Posted - 2016.02.09 19:59:39 -
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pajedas wrote: Has anyone figured out if the skill book can be destroyed? That would make CCP more money. I for one would not want a skill left at zero without the option to remove the skill altogether.
Gåæ
Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6941
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Posted - 2016.02.10 01:52:20 -
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pajedas wrote:pajedas wrote: Has anyone figured out if the skill book can be destroyed? That would make CCP more money. I for one would not want a skill left at zero without the option to remove the skill altogether.
Gåæ Yeah, it was figured out.
No.
it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players
http://eveboard.com/ranks
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6941
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Posted - 2016.02.10 01:53:21 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Don ZOLA wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:more bs. agian bs, twisting out words, wots of empty meaning, lack of basic understanding of market and economy. And as a conclusion lie again as you have never provided any counter argument for the side effects i have mentioned. Of course i am not surprised. CBA to reply to it since its pointless, you do not want to understand (or you are not capable, whatever). In the end [sarcasm] smart [ /sarcasm] guys will implement it and we will see in future what will this bring us. I predict less players and much higher plex cost. For a guy who in one location claims he doesn't want to talk about it anymore you sure like to throw a bunch of words at it while not even trying to argue anything anymore. There's some irony in coming into both threads even after the fact just to make sure your last whinge on the subject is heard while claiming you "won't enter discussion on the matter." But it's entirely what I've come to expect of you so carry on I suppose. The last whinge is critical, so they can come back and dwell on it years from now.
it quickly became clear that many of you were able to see the potential benefits and that youGÇÖre also ready for some big changes in EVE, especially when they might help bring in newer players
http://eveboard.com/ranks
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NVision08
The Senate and People of Eve
2
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Posted - 2016.02.10 07:06:26 -
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it's a lose lose. New players believing the skills will win out with injectors..fail. Veteran players disenfranchised who banked on game mechanics for the long haul..fail. You will lose new players-yet keep the current scheme of long lasting Corp players...and that is a fail to Eve's evolving chances. Truly. |
Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order
243
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Posted - 2016.02.10 10:01:02 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Don ZOLA wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:more bs. agian bs, twisting out words, wots of empty meaning, lack of basic understanding of market and economy. And as a conclusion lie again as you have never provided any counter argument for the side effects i have mentioned. Of course i am not surprised. CBA to reply to it since its pointless, you do not want to understand (or you are not capable, whatever). In the end [sarcasm] smart [ /sarcasm] guys will implement it and we will see in future what will this bring us. I predict less players and much higher plex cost. For a guy who in one location claims he doesn't want to talk about it anymore you sure like to throw a bunch of words at it while not even trying to argue anything anymore. There's some irony in coming into both threads even after the fact just to make sure your last whinge on the subject is heard while claiming you "won't enter discussion on the matter." But it's entirely what I've come to expect of you so carry on I suppose.
I can state my opinion without having to waste time on pointless discussion with people who do not want or are unable to comprehend. Please go ahead and have a last say as it will be a "victory" for you. After that feel free to stop quoting me since I do not want to waste my time on trolls at the moment.
There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
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lmmortalist
lmmortality Associates
199
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Posted - 2016.02.10 18:36:20 -
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Just popping back in to state that the whole idea of skill trading still sucks. |
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
590
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Posted - 2016.02.10 19:46:33 -
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Watching all those 8 million sp toons become 80 million sp toons instantly yesterday was one of the most depressing things I've ever witnessed in game. Jita was like a feeding frenzy of folks skipping decades of training.
I flew out there, applied a few injectors (I've always planned to try it at least) but was unprepared for how dirty I'd feel afterward.
For the first time in my EVE career, I felt like I cheated to get something.
I realized in that moment that the EVE I romanticize about is dead. SP trading made me a dinosaur.
So I took down my POS's, parked my toons & unsubbed. My account doesn't expire until April but I'm pretty sure this is it for me in game. Maybe something will happen in the interim and I'll feel differently, but atm that's difficult to imagine.
My post-release feedback is that SP trading is the most offensive change made to EVE Online since I've been here. As far as I'm concerned, EVE died yesterday. CCP deliberately assassinated her. Imo, whatever new game you're playing now is not EVE. SP trading is not EVE. Instant gratification is not EVE. This "feature" upends everything I believe EVE is and makes it meaningless. It makes the sacrifice of time and effort that (for me at least has been really ******* difficult over the years) an afterthought.
CCP Seagull said that the goal here was "making the game easier to get into, without the experience becoming something else."
Boy was that a failure. The experience of time is now nonexistent. The struggle to persevere is nonexistent. But I'm sure people will pay for the privilege nonetheless. It just feels very much like this was a solution to a problem invented by someone who hasn't lived the EVE experience.
Now that CCP has acknowledged that it will cater to >2 year old players in an attempt to retain them at all costs - even EVE's core principles - I cannot wait to see where this road leads. The gimme gimme gremlins always want more gimme.
And you just fed them past midnight.
YK
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1909
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Posted - 2016.02.10 21:16:16 -
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Don ZOLA wrote:I can state my opinion without having to waste time on pointless discussion with people who do not want or are unable to comprehend. Please go ahead and have a last say as it will be a "victory" for you, you can claim it with your bs, see if i care. Anyone who had read this topic can quite easily see that your shallow wots are combination of twisting out words, digression, lack of understanding of market, economy laws, ignorance at best. After that feel free to stop quoting me since I do not want to waste my time on trolls at the moment. The victory isn't mine to have. That aside, no, in a forum you really don't get to demand other posters can't respond and point out that once again you're raging without justification on subjects which largely consisted of you inserting your opinions about character ownership as facts, using backwards and nonsensical logic and further continue to ignore the acceptance of the new mechanic over a flawed principle. |
pajedas
Warlord of Mars
102
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Posted - 2016.02.10 22:58:03 -
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Yonis Kador wrote:For the first time in my EVE career, I felt like I cheated to get something.
I realized in that moment that the EVE I romanticize about is dead. SP trading made me a dinosaur. I'm not saying that you're wrong overall, but you're not old enough to be a bitter vet.
They can make this thing work, just needs some tweaking.
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Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
592
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Posted - 2016.02.11 00:50:47 -
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pajedas wrote:Yonis Kador wrote:For the first time in my EVE career, I felt like I cheated to get something.
I realized in that moment that the EVE I romanticize about is dead. SP trading made me a dinosaur. I'm not saying that you're wrong overall, but you're not old enough to be a bitter vet. They can make this thing work, just needs some tweaking.
No. They can change the nature of the universe. They have. But it's a new EVE. It's too late anyway. The paradigm shift has occurred. This is just post-disaster chit chat. If devs didn't care about feedback before release, it's unlikely they care now.
But for the record, I'm both bitter and vet. This is not my first toon.
I discovered EVE Online in 2008 after enduring 6 hurricanes in 6 years (Isadore/Lili 2002, Katrina/Rita 2005, and Gustav/Ike 2008) and losing everything I owned 3 times in that short span. After the last flood, I was ready to give up. There was a pervasive sense that nothing mattered anymore and it was pointless to try.
But then I found EVE and it sort of became my escape from the chaos of real life. I've always been drawn to escapist Sci-Fi but this was unlike any game I had ever played. The backstory was rich, the challenges real and everything I earned seemed to come from actual effort. So I started playing EVE on a friend's account at night while I rebuilt my home during the day. To some extent, EVE saved me.
So maybe I can't reconcile the challenges I had to get where I am in game with this new cash for progress model. All the time and effort it took... just feels meaningless now. I was proud of my accomplishments. They meant something. The struggle now is to get more isk so you can buy your way up the chain. Maybe I'll be on board with this eventually but man, it still stings for now. |
Lara Divinity
Black Scorpion Nomads
120
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Posted - 2016.02.11 01:48:52 -
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wtf ccp 4 day old noobs can now inject up to idk how much sp so they can fly jumpfreighters n the likes of it kill whats next more pay to win crap 4 day old carrier pilots wtf good goin are yall so desperate for money that ur screwin up the entire game over it ? this skill injector thing is a bad idea the way it is now next up ill be fightin a 1 day old t3 strategic cruiser pilot or somthing it does not make any sense EVE= dieng n yall just make it die faster whoever tought of this should rethink it completly |
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