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Quintessen
Old Spice Syndicate Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2015.10.17 14:05:27 -
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I imagine nothing at this point is going to be seen by actual devs given that we're 100+ pages in.
I'm concerned that the diminishing returns for higher SP characters aren't quite diminished enough. The effective cost between "new" characters and "old" characters is only going to be 10x per skill point, but the relative wealth of older characters is way more than 10x.
If I'm a new player who farms a bit and gets 1B ISK (a hefty sum) and I buy N of these packets for 500k*N SP with that money. Someone two has 100B or 1T ISK is going to be able to get way more SP (50k*N*100 or 1000) meaning. If you've got 1T ISK you're probably not going to miss 10B of it and given that SP is so valuable, it will probably be considered a worthy investment of funds.
I would suggest capping skill injection at 100M. That's still a pretty old character and a huge boost. You can be proficient at a whole lot of things at 100M skill points and if you want to accelerate you can get rid of some of your skills to bring you back under 100M before injecting.
An added benefit of cutting out 100M+ characters is that it may help bring demand down and help keep prices lower so that new pilots can actually afford these services and to help keep PLEX prices down because AURUM demand stays lower. Though regardless older players are going to have more SP to sell meaning an influx of ISK to their wallets.
A lot of the player retention ideas seem to be around extracting real money from newer players in exchange for older players having lots of ISK. This feels a bit like this will just make that worse. It may help with player retention -- I don't know. But please cap injections so that we don't have trillionaires just dumping tons of money and capping their skill levels.
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Dave Stark
7578
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Posted - 2015.10.17 14:15:32 -
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Levi Belvar wrote:Comes back round to who benefits most from it, certainly isnt that new guy and everything you mention above is about spending more and more on plex which will send it even higher. Comes a point in a game that you sub for every month and theres more and more need to spend real cash in it when you have to say where do you draw a line at .
Your last comment was refreshing as you were not as vitriolic about it being the way forward, i think this needs way more thought put into it before being implimented
I'm fine with sending plex higher and higher - high plex prices make it harder and harder for illicit RMT to happen. it simply prices them out of the market.
i'd say there's more and more options on how to use plex, i wouldn't say there's more and more need, though. however, yes you do have to look a it and go "what am i willing to spend money on, and how much?" for me, 2 subscriptions is as much as i'm willing to spend personally (unless ccp start selling awesome stuff like mugs, keychains all that type of stuff (hint ******* hint, guys)). if i want anything else i either buy the plex with isk or go without.
I don't try to be the bad guy - i'm just really really uneloquent (is that a word? i'm the very opposite of eloquent).
i think something that would benefit this proposed system is slashing everything by 1/10. - 500,000 SP at "cost price" based on plex prices is 300m, plus the unknown cost of the extractor. this prices new players out of the market. drop it to 50,000 extracted and whatever price they're thinking for the extractor cut it by 90%. this will give you a cost price of 30m, rather than 300m. 30m is FAR more obtainable for a new player.
yeah the isk/sp is the same however there's a psychological barrier to overcome here. smaller cheaper fixes encourage poorer/new players to think "i can participate in this if i want to" unlike seeing a cliff face of 300m and going "how am i ever going to afford that?" - 300m is a lot to new players, we often forget that when we have billions and trillions in our wallets. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
850
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Posted - 2015.10.17 14:26:21 -
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The other thing to keep in mind is that many corps use skill point minimums to aid in greatly reducing the number of potential spys that apply to your corp. These changes completely undo that when you can recycle the same 5 million skill points on alt after alt.
I would like to point out here that plenty of games have gone by the wayside by giving players what they ask for instead of making a good game. Focus on making a good game not catering to the whinners. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
850
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Posted - 2015.10.17 14:31:01 -
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Black Pedro wrote:General Lootit wrote: Yeap I talked about t2 but firstly I miss the point of PLEX investment. There are no such thing as a free PLEX. Every PLEX cost something.
For t1 SP injection doesn't help much because learning time of quee is 2 hours which should allow you to deal 200 dps. With "Small Blaster Specialization" you could get 500 dps.
No, you get a free PLEX if you subscribe a buddy account. It is 100%, absolutely free. You can also apply it 1 hour after you start your trial account giving you 60 days of absolutely free training, which will get you just a hair's breadth from 5M SP. And as soon as you apply it you can start to train T2 blasters. With the latest buff to starting SP, you are well on your way to a max DPS catayst alt for free which you can now sell the SP from to run for next to nothing. In order to get your so called "free PLEX" somone must first put 30 days on the account either with another PLEX or real life money. So your "free PLEX" isn't really free. Also when they added the new higher starting skill points they also got rid of the extreemely fast training for new players. So I think that it winds up being a bit of a wash.
My only problem with that is that they insulate new players a bit from their own ignorance which I think is a shame. This game used to be all about learning from your mistakes. |
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.10.17 14:32:46 -
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Makes you wonder how this feature would fair against offering a yearly or paid for service of complete skill remapping |
Eschin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.10.17 14:35:22 -
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This VERY interesting to me because I just subbed for the first time in a while and was in help chat wishing there was a way to do this just a few days ago, almost like CCP listened to what I was saying, HOWEVER:
I wanted to be able to repurpose (possibly with a loss factored in) certain skills for my own character. I really don't think we should be able to migrate SP from one char to another, but from WITHIN a char, with a penalty for doing, YES, sounds like a great idea, but again I think it would defeat the purpose of SP itself if it was too easy or cheap. |
Brother Bathana
Quantum Array
1
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Posted - 2015.10.17 14:41:02 -
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Eschin wrote:This VERY interesting to me because I just subbed for the first time in a while and was in help chat wishing there was a way to do this just a few days ago, almost like CCP listened to what I was saying, HOWEVER:
I wanted to be able to repurpose (possibly with a loss factored in) certain skills for my own character. I really don't think we should be able to migrate SP from one char to another, but from WITHIN a char, with a penalty for doing, YES, sounds like a great idea, but again I think it would defeat the purpose of SP itself if it was too easy or cheap.
Hire this guy for Team size matters, he has his stuff straight what the eve community wants :) |
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.10.17 14:41:50 -
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I wouldnt get your hopes up, its a company there has to be something in it for them to impliment a change that benefits both sides.
That would negate the need for a character bazaar and the freehold sale of skillpoints, depends if theyre in it for pure profit purposes only or they do actually listen to the client base. |
Dave Stark
7578
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Posted - 2015.10.17 14:46:02 -
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Brother Bathana wrote:Eschin wrote:This VERY interesting to me because I just subbed for the first time in a while and was in help chat wishing there was a way to do this just a few days ago, almost like CCP listened to what I was saying, HOWEVER:
I wanted to be able to repurpose (possibly with a loss factored in) certain skills for my own character. I really don't think we should be able to migrate SP from one char to another, but from WITHIN a char, with a penalty for doing, YES, sounds like a great idea, but again I think it would defeat the purpose of SP itself if it was too easy or cheap. Hire this guy for Team size matters, he has his stuff straight what the eve community wants :)
"wtb 50m sp pilot, allocated as follows: {list}, will pay 20bn isk" *prices pulled out of my ass for example purposes only.
then some one sees that, repurposes their alt by shuffling SP around then sells it.
is it really that different to just buying the SP from the seller and injecting your own skills? does it matter whether it's the buyer or seller injecting the SP? |
Hulk Miner
White Horse Incorporated
36
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Posted - 2015.10.17 14:49:51 -
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Levi Belvar wrote:Makes you wonder how this feature would fair against offering a yearly or paid for service of complete skill remapping
Skill reset coupon in the Aurum Store With the coupon all your skills will be reset and points moved to your unallocated pool with the unplugged skills placed in your hanger.
Not if but when selling SP goes live its the natural next step and although I would not use it on my main character I have no issues with this but I do with selling SP, crazy I know.
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Levi Belvar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.10.17 14:49:54 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Brother Bathana wrote:Eschin wrote:This VERY interesting to me because I just subbed for the first time in a while and was in help chat wishing there was a way to do this just a few days ago, almost like CCP listened to what I was saying, HOWEVER:
I wanted to be able to repurpose (possibly with a loss factored in) certain skills for my own character. I really don't think we should be able to migrate SP from one char to another, but from WITHIN a char, with a penalty for doing, YES, sounds like a great idea, but again I think it would defeat the purpose of SP itself if it was too easy or cheap. Hire this guy for Team size matters, he has his stuff straight what the eve community wants :) "wtb 50m sp pilot, allocated as follows: {list}, will pay 20bn isk" *prices pulled out of my ass for example purposes only. then some one sees that, repurposes their alt by shuffling SP around then sells it. is it really that different to just buying the SP from the seller and injecting your own skills? does it matter whether it's the buyer or seller injecting the SP?
You lost it there bud
Its not for selling, its rehashing your own toon to suit your needs. |
Dave Stark
7578
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Posted - 2015.10.17 14:51:48 -
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Levi Belvar wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Brother Bathana wrote:Eschin wrote:This VERY interesting to me because I just subbed for the first time in a while and was in help chat wishing there was a way to do this just a few days ago, almost like CCP listened to what I was saying, HOWEVER:
I wanted to be able to repurpose (possibly with a loss factored in) certain skills for my own character. I really don't think we should be able to migrate SP from one char to another, but from WITHIN a char, with a penalty for doing, YES, sounds like a great idea, but again I think it would defeat the purpose of SP itself if it was too easy or cheap. Hire this guy for Team size matters, he has his stuff straight what the eve community wants :) "wtb 50m sp pilot, allocated as follows: {list}, will pay 20bn isk" *prices pulled out of my ass for example purposes only. then some one sees that, repurposes their alt by shuffling SP around then sells it. is it really that different to just buying the SP from the seller and injecting your own skills? does it matter whether it's the buyer or seller injecting the SP? You lost it there bud Its not for selling, its rehashing your own toon to suit your needs.
what's to stop you selling it after you have repurposed it? |
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.10.17 14:54:47 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Levi Belvar wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Brother Bathana wrote:Eschin wrote:This VERY interesting to me because I just subbed for the first time in a while and was in help chat wishing there was a way to do this just a few days ago, almost like CCP listened to what I was saying, HOWEVER:
I wanted to be able to repurpose (possibly with a loss factored in) certain skills for my own character. I really don't think we should be able to migrate SP from one char to another, but from WITHIN a char, with a penalty for doing, YES, sounds like a great idea, but again I think it would defeat the purpose of SP itself if it was too easy or cheap. Hire this guy for Team size matters, he has his stuff straight what the eve community wants :) "wtb 50m sp pilot, allocated as follows: {list}, will pay 20bn isk" *prices pulled out of my ass for example purposes only. then some one sees that, repurposes their alt by shuffling SP around then sells it. is it really that different to just buying the SP from the seller and injecting your own skills? does it matter whether it's the buyer or seller injecting the SP? You lost it there bud Its not for selling, its rehashing your own toon to suit your needs. what's to stop you selling it after you have repurposed it?
Nothing, but if you now have a toon that does everything you want why would you ? |
Dave Stark
7578
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Posted - 2015.10.17 14:58:49 -
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Levi Belvar wrote:Nothing, but if you now have a toon that does everything you want why would you ?
but you don't, you don't even need/want that character anyway. it exists to be sold. you have a toon somebody else wants - you just rejigged the SP to what they were looking for. they listed what they want, you recreated your character to do what they want then you're going to sell it to them.
that's entirely within the realm of "you can only move sp within your own head".
instead of creating a new account and just dumping packets on it (as per the new system) you've got a character with the exact same skillset. so as i said - does it matter really matter who injects the SP? |
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.10.17 15:01:05 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Levi Belvar wrote:Nothing, but if you now have a toon that does everything you want why would you ? but you don't, you don't even need/want that character anyway. it exists to be sold. you have a toon somebody else wants - you just rejigged the SP to what they were looking for. they listed what they want, you recreated your character to do what they want then you're going to sell it to them. that's entirely within the realm of "you can only move sp within your own head". instead of creating a new account and just dumping packets on it (as per the new system) you've got a character with the exact same skillset. so as i said - does it matter really matter who injects the SP?
Yes because having the ability to do a complete skill remap on your character is not the same as buying XXX packets of skill points from another source
The "New system" is ever increasing amounts being spent on it, a remap is just recycling your skillpoints into another doctrine going from an indie / miner to pure combat as such |
Dave Stark
7578
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Posted - 2015.10.17 15:04:15 -
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Levi Belvar wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Levi Belvar wrote:Nothing, but if you now have a toon that does everything you want why would you ? but you don't, you don't even need/want that character anyway. it exists to be sold. you have a toon somebody else wants - you just rejigged the SP to what they were looking for. they listed what they want, you recreated your character to do what they want then you're going to sell it to them. that's entirely within the realm of "you can only move sp within your own head". instead of creating a new account and just dumping packets on it (as per the new system) you've got a character with the exact same skillset. so as i said - does it matter really matter who injects the SP? Yes because having the ability to do a complete skill remap on your character is not the same as buying XXX packets of skill points from another source
the outcome is the very same.
you have a character with a skillset you have specified.
so like i said, if the outcome is identical; does it matter if the seller has to do all the injecting, or if the buyer has to do all the injecting? |
Majuan Shuo
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
66
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Posted - 2015.10.17 15:06:52 -
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The blog asked for comments, here is mine:
It is a terrible idea and if implemented I will leave the game.
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar
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Karin Yang
Eye Of Insight SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2015.10.17 15:08:50 -
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Levi Belvar wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Levi Belvar wrote:Nothing, but if you now have a toon that does everything you want why would you ? but you don't, you don't even need/want that character anyway. it exists to be sold. you have a toon somebody else wants - you just rejigged the SP to what they were looking for. they listed what they want, you recreated your character to do what they want then you're going to sell it to them. that's entirely within the realm of "you can only move sp within your own head". instead of creating a new account and just dumping packets on it (as per the new system) you've got a character with the exact same skillset. so as i said - does it matter really matter who injects the SP? Yes because having the ability to do a complete skill remap on your character is not the same as buying XXX packets of skill points from another source The "New system" is ever increasing amounts being spent on it, a remap is just recycling your skillpoints into another doctrine going from an indie / miner to pure combat as such Buying a character from bazaar is already a way to get skill point from another source. You blocked the window, leaving the door open, and you're saying that's different? |
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.10.17 15:09:53 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Levi Belvar wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Levi Belvar wrote:Nothing, but if you now have a toon that does everything you want why would you ? but you don't, you don't even need/want that character anyway. it exists to be sold. you have a toon somebody else wants - you just rejigged the SP to what they were looking for. they listed what they want, you recreated your character to do what they want then you're going to sell it to them. that's entirely within the realm of "you can only move sp within your own head". instead of creating a new account and just dumping packets on it (as per the new system) you've got a character with the exact same skillset. so as i said - does it matter really matter who injects the SP? Yes because having the ability to do a complete skill remap on your character is not the same as buying XXX packets of skill points from another source the outcome is the very same. you have a character with a skillset you have specified. so like i said, if the outcome is identical; does it matter if the seller has to do all the injecting, or if the buyer has to do all the injecting?
PRICE
Yours in exopnentially expensive, im talking of a 1 of fee to remap your own skill set |
Dave Stark
7578
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Posted - 2015.10.17 15:12:35 -
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Levi Belvar wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Levi Belvar wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Levi Belvar wrote:Nothing, but if you now have a toon that does everything you want why would you ? but you don't, you don't even need/want that character anyway. it exists to be sold. you have a toon somebody else wants - you just rejigged the SP to what they were looking for. they listed what they want, you recreated your character to do what they want then you're going to sell it to them. that's entirely within the realm of "you can only move sp within your own head". instead of creating a new account and just dumping packets on it (as per the new system) you've got a character with the exact same skillset. so as i said - does it matter really matter who injects the SP? Yes because having the ability to do a complete skill remap on your character is not the same as buying XXX packets of skill points from another source the outcome is the very same. you have a character with a skillset you have specified. so like i said, if the outcome is identical; does it matter if the seller has to do all the injecting, or if the buyer has to do all the injecting? PRICE Yours in exopnentially expensive, im talking of a 1 of fee to remap your own skill set
psst, we're talking about Eschin's idea of only being able to extract and allocate SP to the same character. |
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Levi Belvar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.10.17 15:13:27 -
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Karin Yang wrote:Levi Belvar wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Levi Belvar wrote:Nothing, but if you now have a toon that does everything you want why would you ? but you don't, you don't even need/want that character anyway. it exists to be sold. you have a toon somebody else wants - you just rejigged the SP to what they were looking for. they listed what they want, you recreated your character to do what they want then you're going to sell it to them. that's entirely within the realm of "you can only move sp within your own head". instead of creating a new account and just dumping packets on it (as per the new system) you've got a character with the exact same skillset. so as i said - does it matter really matter who injects the SP? Yes because having the ability to do a complete skill remap on your character is not the same as buying XXX packets of skill points from another source The "New system" is ever increasing amounts being spent on it, a remap is just recycling your skillpoints into another doctrine going from an indie / miner to pure combat as such Buying a character from bazaar is already a way to get skill point from another source. You blocked the window, leaving the door open, and you're saying that's different?
The bazaar your buying a legacy toon as is, its history and skill set in place. Your not buying a portrait with 20 / 30 / 40 mill skillpoints to set as you wish. |
Fourteen Maken
Omega Industry Inc. The Ditanian Alliance
213
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Posted - 2015.10.17 15:14:24 -
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Levi Belvar wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Levi Belvar wrote:Nothing, but if you now have a toon that does everything you want why would you ? but you don't, you don't even need/want that character anyway. it exists to be sold. you have a toon somebody else wants - you just rejigged the SP to what they were looking for. they listed what they want, you recreated your character to do what they want then you're going to sell it to them. that's entirely within the realm of "you can only move sp within your own head". instead of creating a new account and just dumping packets on it (as per the new system) you've got a character with the exact same skillset. so as i said - does it matter really matter who injects the SP? Yes because having the ability to do a complete skill remap on your character is not the same as buying XXX packets of skill points from another source
He's right it's a ridiculous idea, it does nothing for new players who have no skill points to begin with, but it does show the mindset of players who are against the change: apparently we don't mind bending the unbendable rules of eve if it helps established players.
Support a fairer loyalty point market for faction war:
The sinews of war; infinite money.
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Karin Yang
Eye Of Insight SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2015.10.17 15:18:21 -
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Levi Belvar wrote:Karin Yang wrote:Levi Belvar wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Levi Belvar wrote:Nothing, but if you now have a toon that does everything you want why would you ? but you don't, you don't even need/want that character anyway. it exists to be sold. you have a toon somebody else wants - you just rejigged the SP to what they were looking for. they listed what they want, you recreated your character to do what they want then you're going to sell it to them. that's entirely within the realm of "you can only move sp within your own head". instead of creating a new account and just dumping packets on it (as per the new system) you've got a character with the exact same skillset. so as i said - does it matter really matter who injects the SP? Yes because having the ability to do a complete skill remap on your character is not the same as buying XXX packets of skill points from another source The "New system" is ever increasing amounts being spent on it, a remap is just recycling your skillpoints into another doctrine going from an indie / miner to pure combat as such Buying a character from bazaar is already a way to get skill point from another source. You blocked the window, leaving the door open, and you're saying that's different? The bazaar your buying a legacy toon as is, its history and skill set in place. Your not buying a portrait with 20 / 30 / 40 mill skillpoints to set as you wish. Not so many people are caring about portrait. As some character farmer said in this thread that only 10% really care that, while it is only a set of skill points for the other 90% |
ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1271
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Posted - 2015.10.17 15:18:25 -
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I have yet again, removed some off-topic/trolling/disrespectful posts.
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ISD Decoy
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Levi Belvar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2015.10.17 15:19:16 -
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psst, we're talking about Eschin's idea of only being able to extract and allocate SP to the same character.[/quote]
Look above Eschin's post, that is what he was answering too.
Quote:Makes you wonder how this feature would fair against offering a yearly or paid for service of complete skill remapping Twisted |
Eschin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2015.10.17 15:20:37 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Brother Bathana wrote:Eschin wrote:This VERY interesting to me because I just subbed for the first time in a while and was in help chat wishing there was a way to do this just a few days ago, almost like CCP listened to what I was saying, HOWEVER:
I wanted to be able to repurpose (possibly with a loss factored in) certain skills for my own character. I really don't think we should be able to migrate SP from one char to another, but from WITHIN a char, with a penalty for doing, YES, sounds like a great idea, but again I think it would defeat the purpose of SP itself if it was too easy or cheap. Hire this guy for Team size matters, he has his stuff straight what the eve community wants :) "wtb 50m sp pilot, allocated as follows: {list}, will pay 20bn isk" *prices pulled out of my ass for example purposes only. then some one sees that, repurposes their alt by shuffling SP around then sells it. is it really that different to just buying the SP from the seller and injecting your own skills? does it matter whether it's the buyer or seller injecting the SP?
I think so... like you said it's still conceivable but idk about how much that would be done in practice... requires another party, it's harder and would no doubt be very expensive you'd still be much better off probably buying a char close to what you want to "molding" it some.... and it is something that should be hard to do.
Of course there probably should be restrictions on the amount of SP you can reallocate at one time (read up there about being able to reallocate all of your SP at one OMG that would definitely be the end of Eve), and/or restrictions on how soon you can sell after you have reallocated points, but I do agree with the sentiment we don't need to be able to create perfect characters for someone else's instant gratification because they paid enough for it pay2win or have character factories minting these characters. That would destroy Eve. |
Dave Stark
7578
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Posted - 2015.10.17 15:26:16 -
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Eschin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Brother Bathana wrote:Eschin wrote:This VERY interesting to me because I just subbed for the first time in a while and was in help chat wishing there was a way to do this just a few days ago, almost like CCP listened to what I was saying, HOWEVER:
I wanted to be able to repurpose (possibly with a loss factored in) certain skills for my own character. I really don't think we should be able to migrate SP from one char to another, but from WITHIN a char, with a penalty for doing, YES, sounds like a great idea, but again I think it would defeat the purpose of SP itself if it was too easy or cheap. Hire this guy for Team size matters, he has his stuff straight what the eve community wants :) "wtb 50m sp pilot, allocated as follows: {list}, will pay 20bn isk" *prices pulled out of my ass for example purposes only. then some one sees that, repurposes their alt by shuffling SP around then sells it. is it really that different to just buying the SP from the seller and injecting your own skills? does it matter whether it's the buyer or seller injecting the SP? I think so... like you said it's still conceivable but idk about how much that would be done in practice... requires another party, it's harder and would no doubt be very expensive you'd still be much better off probably buying a char close to what you want to "molding" it some.... and it is something that should be hard to do. Of course there probably should be restrictions on the amount of SP you can reallocate at one time (read up there about being able to reallocate all of your SP at one OMG that would definitely be the end of Eve), and/or restrictions on how soon you can sell after you have reallocated points, but I do agree with the sentiment we don't need to be able to create perfect characters for someone else's instant gratification because they paid enough for it pay2win or have character factories minting these characters. That would destroy Eve.
so if the end result is "a character with the exact set of skills that you want" whether some one rejigs it and sells it to you, or you buy it and rejig it... does it really matter if some one makes a 1 day old character and dumps a bunch of skill packets on to it?
in all 3 scenarios you just end up with a character with exactly the skills you want. restricting it to "you can only reallocate your own SP" doesn't really change the situation. |
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.10.17 15:28:50 -
[2518] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Eschin wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Brother Bathana wrote:Eschin wrote:This VERY interesting to me because I just subbed for the first time in a while and was in help chat wishing there was a way to do this just a few days ago, almost like CCP listened to what I was saying, HOWEVER:
I wanted to be able to repurpose (possibly with a loss factored in) certain skills for my own character. I really don't think we should be able to migrate SP from one char to another, but from WITHIN a char, with a penalty for doing, YES, sounds like a great idea, but again I think it would defeat the purpose of SP itself if it was too easy or cheap. Hire this guy for Team size matters, he has his stuff straight what the eve community wants :) "wtb 50m sp pilot, allocated as follows: {list}, will pay 20bn isk" *prices pulled out of my ass for example purposes only. then some one sees that, repurposes their alt by shuffling SP around then sells it. is it really that different to just buying the SP from the seller and injecting your own skills? does it matter whether it's the buyer or seller injecting the SP? I think so... like you said it's still conceivable but idk about how much that would be done in practice... requires another party, it's harder and would no doubt be very expensive you'd still be much better off probably buying a char close to what you want to "molding" it some.... and it is something that should be hard to do. Of course there probably should be restrictions on the amount of SP you can reallocate at one time (read up there about being able to reallocate all of your SP at one OMG that would definitely be the end of Eve), and/or restrictions on how soon you can sell after you have reallocated points, but I do agree with the sentiment we don't need to be able to create perfect characters for someone else's instant gratification because they paid enough for it pay2win or have character factories minting these characters. That would destroy Eve. so if the end result is "a character with the exact set of skills that you want" whether some one rejigs it and sells it to you, or you buy it and rejig it... does it really matter if some one makes a 1 day old character and dumps a bunch of skill packets on to it? in all 3 scenarios you just end up with a character with exactly the skills you want. restricting it to "you can only reallocate your own SP" doesn't really change the situation.
You dont think there is a difference in buying skill points and rehashing your own character ?? |
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2015.10.17 15:32:20 -
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If you think theres no difference then why not just go all out and say why all this bollox, why dont CCP just sell skill points for cash |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2015.10.17 15:33:17 -
[2520] - Quote
Levi Belvar wrote:You dont think there is a difference in buying skill points and rehashing your own character ??
obviously there's a difference. in the same way there's a difference between walking to work and cycling to work. one is more hassle, one is less hassle, but either way you end up at work.
if the you always end up with the same result - why add an arbitrary restriction that doesn't do anything? |
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