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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:27:45 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Talsha Talamar wrote:http://eve-search.com/stats/thread/450912-1
Just a thing I wanted to leave here:
Dave Stark187 (7,1%) Querns128 (4,8%) Don ZOLA98 (3,7%) Teckos Pech96 (3,6%)
Some people are rather violently pushing their agenda. Considering I'm like John Kerry, in that I was initially in favor, now against....might want to add some nuance to your analysis. Hey, I was against now I'm in favor! Sorry we seem to be unable to agree on anything...
Well to be honest, I'm not 100% against the concept. Maybe if it started out with a limit, say no more than 20 million SP can be injected and change the decreasing returns to fit this new limit.
See how that goes, and maybe adjust it as time goes on....
I'm not 100% against it.
Good God I really am John Kerry with all this nuance crap.
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tainted demon
Danger Gnomes Vendetta Mercenary Group
0
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:28:48 -
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Levi Belvar wrote:Its been an eye opener today thats for sure.
For the life of me i cannot understand how some can think that buying a legacy character with all its foibles is in anyway like buying a pile of skill packets - create a clean slate - send said packets to new toon - instant say, tengu pilot - drop a derp a lose your lvl5 offensive/defensive tree - no prob nip back inject a couple of packs away you go again.
what a complete crock.
not to mention with THIS system an older character who wants to pay to max something out has to pay more money to do it because they somehow get less SP in return for the same cost |
Dave Stark
7580
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:29:49 -
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Morihei Akachi wrote:Dave Stark wrote:GǪ the entire point of buying SP is to skip running level 2s and other irrelevant content that only exists to distract people from the fact that they don't have the SP to do anything else more proficiently yet. One could argue, though, that that's a problem with level 2s etc. Surely thereGÇÖs something a bit problematic about a situation in which new players are confronted with a suboptimal game experience and then offered an option to pay extra in order to avoid it. On one reading, that's providing freedom of choice; on another, though, it's just bad game design. I'd be inclined to go for the latter.
most of the skills you're training to slog through level 2s are core skills that impact pretty much every aspect of eve. support skills, fitting skills, navigation skills.
level 2 missions suck, but making them suck less won't magically make skills that are pretty much mandatory train automatically upon account creation. it's still a few weeks/months people will have to endure or bypass. |
Dror
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:31:33 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Morihei Akachi wrote:Dave Stark wrote:GǪ the entire point of buying SP is to skip running level 2s and other irrelevant content that only exists to distract people from the fact that they don't have the SP to do anything else more proficiently yet. One could argue, though, that that's a problem with level 2s etc. Surely thereGÇÖs something a bit problematic about a situation in which new players are confronted with a suboptimal game experience and then offered an option to pay extra in order to avoid it. On one reading, that's providing freedom of choice; on another, though, it's just bad game design. I'd be inclined to go for the latter. most of the skills you're training to slog through level 2s are core skills that impact pretty much every aspect of eve. support skills, fitting skills, navigation skills. level 2 missions suck, but making them suck less won't magically make skills that are pretty much mandatory train automatically upon account creation. it's still a few weeks/months people will have to endure or bypass. ..And you're welcome to confirm or refute how this is completely a negative design and plausibly the reason the game has yet to really escalate.
"SP is helpful for the game?" Here's all of the research on motivation -- it says the opposite! What purpose does it serve, then? Starter corps are non-competitive. Sov is unchallenged. "Fix sov!" you say? Remove SP.
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Jared Khanar
5
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:31:42 -
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Morihei Akachi wrote:Surely thereGÇÖs something a bit problematic about a situation in which new players are confronted with a suboptimal game experience and then offered an option to pay extra in order to avoid it. On one reading, that's providing freedom of choice; on another, though, it's just bad game design. I'd be inclined to go for the latter.
Welcome to the world of microtransactions. If it is good game design you won-¦t pay a dime to ... "ignore" it - thats how this works - expect more of both to come in eve |
Aerasia
Republic University Minmatar Republic
134
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:32:50 -
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Levi Belvar wrote:Your paying your sub for that and there are alot more things to keep you happy now as opposed to 9+ years ago, granted if you have been in game a certain length of time the best option is to max the queue and leave it for a month or so but its not costing you anything over your subs. I'll admit, my English isn't good enough to parse whatever's being said here. The one piece that sticks out for me is:
"alot more things to keep you happy now"
If you want to argue that skipping the SP grind would cause players to leave because they're bored, the necessary implication is that EVE itself isn't fun. It has no "things to keep you happy".
That basically makes EVE the equivalent of SWTOR: Nice story while you're leveling, but un-sub as soon as you hit end game. Except SP doesn't even provide a nice story, so the real description you're arguing for is "Get annoyed waiting for months to do something you don't like." |
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:33:13 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Levi Belvar wrote:Its been an eye opener today thats for sure.
For the life of me i cannot understand how some can think that buying a legacy character with all its foibles is in anyway like buying a pile of skill packets - create a clean slate - send said packets to new toon - instant say, tengu pilot - drop a derp a lose your lvl5 offensive/defensive tree - no prob nip back inject a couple of packs away you go again.
what a complete crock. " legacy character with all its foibles" LOL! I don't think the CB is quite what you think it is. Perhaps if you actually checked it out and discovered for yourself how totally wrong you are, it would help in your views. Or maybe I'll just link you the first 10 clean slate focused characters I see to make it easier for you. Should have it covered on the first page. Mr Epeen
Your another that needs to learn to read, legacy character with all its foibles Vs a new toon ( clean slate ) seeing as ive sold close to 40 toons over the years im fully aware of how the bazaar works and eveboard to let the folks know what sort of toon theyre getting, i would prefer to loose the bazaar and get the chance to remap a characters skills. |
Jessica Danikov
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
453
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:34:59 -
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Transneural Skill Points need to have the originating player in the description.
Also disappointed that the Brain Overlay eXtractor didn't get so much love, don't people want a brain in a BOX? |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1054
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:35:51 -
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Querns wrote:grevicious wrote:is this the same way WoW went PAY TO WIN. game dead I'd choose a different example if I were you. WoW is certainly less trafficked than it was in its heyday, but it is FAR from dead. WoW is dead. It is still walking. But it is dead.
Remove insurance.
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Dave Stark
7580
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:36:13 -
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Dror wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Morihei Akachi wrote:Dave Stark wrote:GǪ the entire point of buying SP is to skip running level 2s and other irrelevant content that only exists to distract people from the fact that they don't have the SP to do anything else more proficiently yet. One could argue, though, that that's a problem with level 2s etc. Surely thereGÇÖs something a bit problematic about a situation in which new players are confronted with a suboptimal game experience and then offered an option to pay extra in order to avoid it. On one reading, that's providing freedom of choice; on another, though, it's just bad game design. I'd be inclined to go for the latter. most of the skills you're training to slog through level 2s are core skills that impact pretty much every aspect of eve. support skills, fitting skills, navigation skills. level 2 missions suck, but making them suck less won't magically make skills that are pretty much mandatory train automatically upon account creation. it's still a few weeks/months people will have to endure or bypass. ..And you're welcome to confirm or refute how this is completely a negative design and plausibly the reason the game has yet to really escalate.
what? |
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3536
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:37:20 -
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Dror wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Talsha Talamar wrote:http://eve-search.com/stats/thread/450912-1
Just a thing I wanted to leave here:
Dave Stark187 (7,1%) Querns128 (4,8%) Don ZOLA98 (3,7%) Teckos Pech96 (3,6%)
Some people are rather violently pushing their agenda. Considering I'm like John Kerry, in that I was initially in favor, now against....might want to add some nuance to your analysis. Why, and what's the alternative? Do you have any clue why the game seems an unattractive deal for fresh subs? With this, they could actually play for progression.
One of the reasons I oppose this is that IMO, it will be something in favor of older players. Older players do not need a new advantage.
I'll use myself as an example:
1. I have 123 million SP on this character alone. All totaled across my alts probably more than 300 million SP. 2. I belong to a NS corp with lots of other older players who can help me directly and/or indirectly in game. 3. I belong to a NS alliance with lots of older and some newer players who can help me directly and/or indirectly. 4. We belong to one of the biggest coalitions in the game which can help me directly and/or indirectly. 5. I have been in game 8 years, I have done lots of things and know quite a bit about the mechanics of the game. 6. I have billions of ISK in my wallets and even more billions in assets.
Now on top of this you'll give me the ability to almost surely PLEX one account while still being able to use that account to earn even more ISK?
Compared to a new player what do they have?
1, 5, and 6 are flat out No for all three. 2,3 and 4 are maybes, but probably not at least for awhile.
This proposal will at best let a new player close the gap on 1 a bit. For a few select new players they might close the gap quite a bit, but most will close it by nearly trivial amounts.
I can use this new mechanic much more effectively than a new player, IMO. In fact, right now I plan on it. If it goes into effect soon enough, I'll get a third AFKtar out in the anomalies, I'll keep my PI empire and have one of my alts train AWU V in perpetuity and drain of the SP to PLEX that account.
Will that help new players? Maybe, but just not seeing it.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9276
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:40:06 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote: WoW is dead. It is still walking. But it is dead.
From my understanding, anything walking dead is pretty popular these days.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4181
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:42:00 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Dror wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Talsha Talamar wrote:http://eve-search.com/stats/thread/450912-1
Just a thing I wanted to leave here:
Dave Stark187 (7,1%) Querns128 (4,8%) Don ZOLA98 (3,7%) Teckos Pech96 (3,6%)
Some people are rather violently pushing their agenda. Considering I'm like John Kerry, in that I was initially in favor, now against....might want to add some nuance to your analysis. Why, and what's the alternative? Do you have any clue why the game seems an unattractive deal for fresh subs? With this, they could actually play for progression. One of the reasons I oppose this is that IMO, it will be something in favor of older players. Older players do not need a new advantage. I'll use myself as an example: 1. I have 123 million SP on this character alone. All totaled across my alts probably more than 300 million SP. 2. I belong to a NS corp with lots of other older players who can help me directly and/or indirectly in game. 3. I belong to a NS alliance with lots of older and some newer players who can help me directly and/or indirectly. 4. We belong to one of the biggest coalitions in the game which can help me directly and/or indirectly. 5. I have been in game 8 years, I have done lots of things and know quite a bit about the mechanics of the game. 6. I have billions of ISK in my wallets and even more billions in assets. Now on top of this you'll give me the ability to almost surely PLEX on account while still being able to use that account to earn even more ISK? Compared to a new player what do they have? 1, 5, and 6 are flat out No for all three. 2,3 and 4 are maybes, but probably not at least for awhile. This proposal will at best let a new player close the gap on 1 a bit. For a few select new players they might close the gap quite a bit, but most will close it by nearly trivial amounts. I can use this new mechanic much more effectively than a new player, IMO. In fact, right now I plan on it. If it goes into effect soon enough, I'll get a third AFKtar out in the anomalies, I'll keep my PI empire and have one of my alts train AWU V in perpetuity and drain of the SP to PLEX that account. Will that help new players? Maybe, but just not seeing it. Well, you could give a new player your excess SP for free.
Or, your coalition could...
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3536
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:42:51 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote: WoW is dead. It is still walking. But it is dead.
From my understanding, anything walking dead is pretty popular these days. Mr Epeen
Well there was some drama about TWD's season opener's veiwership...it was only 14.6 million, lower than season 4 and season 5. Which is unusual in that I thought that this seasons opening was much better than season 4 with all that farmer Rick stuff.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3536
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:43:58 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Dror wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Talsha Talamar wrote:http://eve-search.com/stats/thread/450912-1
Just a thing I wanted to leave here:
Dave Stark187 (7,1%) Querns128 (4,8%) Don ZOLA98 (3,7%) Teckos Pech96 (3,6%)
Some people are rather violently pushing their agenda. Considering I'm like John Kerry, in that I was initially in favor, now against....might want to add some nuance to your analysis. Why, and what's the alternative? Do you have any clue why the game seems an unattractive deal for fresh subs? With this, they could actually play for progression. One of the reasons I oppose this is that IMO, it will be something in favor of older players. Older players do not need a new advantage. I'll use myself as an example: 1. I have 123 million SP on this character alone. All totaled across my alts probably more than 300 million SP. 2. I belong to a NS corp with lots of other older players who can help me directly and/or indirectly in game. 3. I belong to a NS alliance with lots of older and some newer players who can help me directly and/or indirectly. 4. We belong to one of the biggest coalitions in the game which can help me directly and/or indirectly. 5. I have been in game 8 years, I have done lots of things and know quite a bit about the mechanics of the game. 6. I have billions of ISK in my wallets and even more billions in assets. Now on top of this you'll give me the ability to almost surely PLEX on account while still being able to use that account to earn even more ISK? Compared to a new player what do they have? 1, 5, and 6 are flat out No for all three. 2,3 and 4 are maybes, but probably not at least for awhile. This proposal will at best let a new player close the gap on 1 a bit. For a few select new players they might close the gap quite a bit, but most will close it by nearly trivial amounts. I can use this new mechanic much more effectively than a new player, IMO. In fact, right now I plan on it. If it goes into effect soon enough, I'll get a third AFKtar out in the anomalies, I'll keep my PI empire and have one of my alts train AWU V in perpetuity and drain of the SP to PLEX that account. Will that help new players? Maybe, but just not seeing it. Well, you could give a new player your excess SP for free. Or, your coalition could...
Are you nuts? When I can fleece them in the market place?!?!?!?
This is EVE man, never give anything away unless you can set up a longer term gain down the road.
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Eternity Mistseeker
Renegades of Eve Aureus Alae
16
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:48:45 -
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This is not a mechanism for helping new players...
If you want to help new players start in the game then you add a mechanism that helps *all* new players, not just those with access to additional RL money or friends/alts with significant ISK reserves... |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2603
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:49:16 -
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Dave Stark wrote:
obviously not, the entire point of buying SP is to skip running level 2s and other irrelevant content that only exists to distract people from the fact that they don't have the SP to do anything else more proficiently yet.
Or we could fix content so that level 2's, 1/10 sigs, the easy anoms and such aren't 'irrelevant content' and ignore this terrible idea of 'you can spend real money to get ahead'. Seriously...... The only way a newbie can take part in this is to spend real money.
Ergo this is directly telling a new player 'pay cash to get better content'.
It's terrible in basically every way, old players have already worked out a bunch of ways to abuse this system, it's a perfect example of a bad idea combined with Malcanis's law. |
Dave Stark
7581
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:52:05 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
obviously not, the entire point of buying SP is to skip running level 2s and other irrelevant content that only exists to distract people from the fact that they don't have the SP to do anything else more proficiently yet.
Or we could fix content so that level 2's, 1/10 sigs, the easy anoms and such aren't 'irrelevant content' and ignore this terrible idea of 'you can spend real money to get ahead'. Seriously...... The only way a newbie can take part in this is to spend real money. Ergo this is directly telling a new player 'pay cash to get better content'. It's terrible in basically every way, old players have already worked out a bunch of ways to abuse this system, it's a perfect example of a bad idea combined with Malcanis's law.
fixing irrelevant content like that doesn't fix the problem that you're only doing it because you don't have the SP to do other things. |
Josef Djugashvilis
3028
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:54:18 -
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Eternity Mistseeker wrote:This is not a mechanism for helping new players...
If you want to help new players start in the game then you add a mechanism that helps *all* new players, not just those with access to additional RL money or friends/alts with significant ISK reserves...
^^^the above is a good a description as any, why on a practical level the sp idea is bad.
Not quite 'pay to win' but at the very least, 'pay with rl cash' to get a considerable advantage.
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Morihei Akachi
Nishida Corporation
207
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:55:22 -
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Dave Stark wrote:GǪfixing irrelevant content like that doesn't fix the problem that you're only doing it because you don't have the SP to do other things. I donGÇÖt understand this statement. If it were genuinely interesting, you would do it for its own sake. ThatGÇÖs what "interesting" means.
"Enduring", "restrained" and "ample" as designations for starship components are foreign to the genre of high-tech science fiction and donGÇÖt belong in Eve Online. (And as for GÇ£scopedGÇ¥ GǪ)
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Dror
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:55:52 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Dror wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Morihei Akachi wrote:Dave Stark wrote:GǪ the entire point of buying SP is to skip running level 2s and other irrelevant content that only exists to distract people from the fact that they don't have the SP to do anything else more proficiently yet. One could argue, though, that that's a problem with level 2s etc. Surely thereGÇÖs something a bit problematic about a situation in which new players are confronted with a suboptimal game experience and then offered an option to pay extra in order to avoid it. On one reading, that's providing freedom of choice; on another, though, it's just bad game design. I'd be inclined to go for the latter. most of the skills you're training to slog through level 2s are core skills that impact pretty much every aspect of eve. support skills, fitting skills, navigation skills. level 2 missions suck, but making them suck less won't magically make skills that are pretty much mandatory train automatically upon account creation. it's still a few weeks/months people will have to endure or bypass. ..And you're welcome to confirm or refute how this is completely a negative design and plausibly the reason the game has yet to really escalate. what? big words are fine, but at least put them in a coherent sentence. Key words layout here:
You are welcome to
confirm or refute how
"problematic it is that new players are confronted with a suboptimal game experience and offered an option to pay extra for avoiding it" ..is negative
and plausibly the reason the game has yet to [be a massive success].
"SP is helpful for the game?" Here's all of the research on motivation -- it says the opposite! What purpose does it serve, then? Starter corps are non-competitive. Sov is unchallenged. "Fix sov!" you say? Remove SP.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3537
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:57:33 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
obviously not, the entire point of buying SP is to skip running level 2s and other irrelevant content that only exists to distract people from the fact that they don't have the SP to do anything else more proficiently yet.
Or we could fix content so that level 2's, 1/10 sigs, the easy anoms and such aren't 'irrelevant content' and ignore this terrible idea of 'you can spend real money to get ahead'. Seriously...... The only way a newbie can take part in this is to spend real money. Ergo this is directly telling a new player 'pay cash to get better content'. It's terrible in basically every way, old players have already worked out a bunch of ways to abuse this system, it's a perfect example of a bad idea combined with Malcanis's law. fixing irrelevant content like that doesn't fix the problem that you're only doing it because you don't have the SP to do other things.
I think that was his point. A new guy going to NS has very few options in terms of making ISK. Even the lower end anomalies are problematic. So they are irrelevant because the new players can't do them and the older ones ignore them.
Change that. That makes sense.
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Dave stark
7581
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Posted - 2015.10.17 20:59:09 -
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Morihei Akachi wrote:Dave Stark wrote:GǪfixing irrelevant content like that doesn't fix the problem that you're only doing it because you don't have the SP to do other things. I donGÇÖt understand this statement. If it were genuinely interesting, you would do it for its own sake. ThatGÇÖs what "interesting" means.
and for those that find missions interesting they do level 4s. however if you can't run level 4s because you don't have the SP to fly an appropriate ship adequately you're forced to do do lower level, irrelevant, missions while you wait an arbitrary amount of time for you to be able to run level 4 missions.
that, or you just bypass the whole thing and buy a decent character for mission running. |
Dave stark
7581
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:00:42 -
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Dror wrote:the reason the game has yet to [be a massive success].
considering the game's already a massive success by several metrics - what the **** are you talking about? |
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:00:44 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
obviously not, the entire point of buying SP is to skip running level 2s and other irrelevant content that only exists to distract people from the fact that they don't have the SP to do anything else more proficiently yet.
Or we could fix content so that level 2's, 1/10 sigs, the easy anoms and such aren't 'irrelevant content' and ignore this terrible idea of 'you can spend real money to get ahead'. Seriously...... The only way a newbie can take part in this is to spend real money. Ergo this is directly telling a new player 'pay cash to get better content'. It's terrible in basically every way, old players have already worked out a bunch of ways to abuse this system, it's a perfect example of a bad idea combined with Malcanis's law. fixing irrelevant content like that doesn't fix the problem that you're only doing it because you don't have the SP to do other things.
Broken record .... post hiking |
Morihei Akachi
Nishida Corporation
207
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:01:14 -
[2696] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:Morihei Akachi wrote:Dave Stark wrote:GǪfixing irrelevant content like that doesn't fix the problem that you're only doing it because you don't have the SP to do other things. I donGÇÖt understand this statement. If it were genuinely interesting, you would do it for its own sake. ThatGÇÖs what "interesting" means. and for those that find missions interesting they do level 4s. however if you can't run level 4s because you don't have the SP to fly an appropriate ship adequately you're forced to do do lower level, irrelevant, missions while you wait an arbitrary amount of time for you to be able to run level 4 missions. that, or you just bypass the whole thing and buy a decent character for mission running. IGÇÖm beginning to think that by "irrelevant" you only mean "doesnGÇÖt pay as well as some other things." Would I be right about this?
"Enduring", "restrained" and "ample" as designations for starship components are foreign to the genre of high-tech science fiction and donGÇÖt belong in Eve Online. (And as for GÇ£scopedGÇ¥ GǪ)
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Dave stark
7581
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:02:38 -
[2697] - Quote
Levi Belvar wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
obviously not, the entire point of buying SP is to skip running level 2s and other irrelevant content that only exists to distract people from the fact that they don't have the SP to do anything else more proficiently yet.
Or we could fix content so that level 2's, 1/10 sigs, the easy anoms and such aren't 'irrelevant content' and ignore this terrible idea of 'you can spend real money to get ahead'. Seriously...... The only way a newbie can take part in this is to spend real money. Ergo this is directly telling a new player 'pay cash to get better content'. It's terrible in basically every way, old players have already worked out a bunch of ways to abuse this system, it's a perfect example of a bad idea combined with Malcanis's law. fixing irrelevant content like that doesn't fix the problem that you're only doing it because you don't have the SP to do other things. Broken record .... post hiking
if i keep having to tell people the same thing; perhaps they should stop repeating the same incorrect statements in reply to me. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9276
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:02:53 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote: WoW is dead. It is still walking. But it is dead.
From my understanding, anything walking dead is pretty popular these days. Mr Epeen Well there was some drama about TWD's season opener's veiwership...it was only 14.6 million, lower than season 4 and season 5. Which is unusual in that I thought that this seasons opening was much better than season 4 with all that farmer Rick stuff.
iZombie and Z Nation should make up the difference in numbers.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Jared Khanar
6
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:04:13 -
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@ Dave Stark
You, defending a clearly destructive feature, seem to have a personal outcome of this. Tell us please what is it? I-¦m very curious.
You also seem to have thought about this very long and are clearly having good arguments for it.
Please tell me your opinion to one of my previous posts: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6106535#post6106535
I-¦m willing to view this feature positivly if you please be so kind to invalidate my worries.
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Dave stark
7581
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:04:54 -
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Morihei Akachi wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Morihei Akachi wrote:Dave Stark wrote:GǪfixing irrelevant content like that doesn't fix the problem that you're only doing it because you don't have the SP to do other things. I donGÇÖt understand this statement. If it were genuinely interesting, you would do it for its own sake. ThatGÇÖs what "interesting" means. and for those that find missions interesting they do level 4s. however if you can't run level 4s because you don't have the SP to fly an appropriate ship adequately you're forced to do do lower level, irrelevant, missions while you wait an arbitrary amount of time for you to be able to run level 4 missions. that, or you just bypass the whole thing and buy a decent character for mission running. IGÇÖm beginning to think that by "irrelevant" you only mean "doesnGÇÖt pay as well as some other things." Would I be right about this?
i mean irrelevant as "stuff you do because you can't do anything else yet". that content serves no purpose other than to give you "something to do" while you wait for skills to finish because you didn't bypass it by buying SP. |
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