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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:38:12 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
because that's the place you go to buy the skillset you want.
No, it is about buying a character who may or may not have the perfect match. This is why the SP packets will likely have a higher price per SP than on the character bazaar.
the reason character bazaar characters will be cheaper is because of how diminishing returns works on injecting packets.
we did this pages, and pages ago. |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries Stain Confederation
204
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:39:41 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Moac Tor wrote:BrundleMeth wrote:I remember when they introduced the 24 hour skill queue. People went ballistic, calling it the end of EVE. Then, they went to an unlimited skill queue...and no one said anything. My point is...this new idea...whatever... No everyone was pretty much in favour of the unlimited skill que. Perhaps a couple of people didn't like it but comparing it to the backlash to this idea, the difference is like night and day. Okay, finally found the Dev Blog thread on the initial 24 hour skill queue and the first page is pretty much supportive. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=989819 There are 25 pages of posts. So, I'm going to guess nope. Most people felt the skill queue was a good idea long over due. Ok interesting. Nice find there. That was a bit before my time by a couple of months so I didn't recollect. So it seems the community is receptive to change then if the change is good.
Suggestion for a rebalance of ECM - Modulated ECM Effects
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Dror
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:40:51 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Chrome Veinss wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:One of the reasons I oppose this is that IMO, it will be something in favor of older players. Older players do not need a new advantage.
I'll use myself as an example:
1. I have 123 million SP on this character alone. All totaled across my alts probably more than 300 million SP. 2. I belong to a NS corp with lots of other older players who can help me directly and/or indirectly in game. 3. I belong to a NS alliance with lots of older and some newer players who can help me directly and/or indirectly. 4. We belong to one of the biggest coalitions in the game which can help me directly and/or indirectly. 5. I have been in game 8 years, I have done lots of things and know quite a bit about the mechanics of the game. 6. I have billions of ISK in my wallets and even more billions in assets.
Now on top of this you'll give me the ability to almost surely PLEX one account while still being able to use that account to earn even more ISK?
Compared to a new player what do they have?
1, 5, and 6 are flat out No for all three. 2,3 and 4 are maybes, but probably not at least for awhile.
This proposal will at best let a new player close the gap on 1 a bit. For a few select new players they might close the gap quite a bit, but most will close it by nearly trivial amounts.
I can use this new mechanic much more effectively than a new player, IMO. In fact, right now I plan on it. If it goes into effect soon enough, I'll get a third AFKtar out in the anomalies, I'll keep my PI empire and have one of my alts train AWU V in perpetuity and drain of the SP to PLEX that account.
Will that help new players? Maybe, but just not seeing it. Its not about "closing the gap". In fact you seem to have a very good idea of what this is actually about: Its about letting people skip a week of skill training for some isk and letting people get rid of sp they dont want or need to get some isk. That's all it is. Its effects are having a sp boosted newbie skip the terrible first month flying tackle frigates and dying 5 minutes into ops and having 3 year old 50 mill sp players like me get slightly closer to flying another of the many many ships we still cant fly. If the newbie uses this market. Recall, the newbie has to go spend an additional $20-40 to do this. Will the average newbie do this? Maybe. But as I noted, the average newbie doing this means that half will not do it all or on an even more limited basis. That is how averages work...half the distribution is the right of the average, half to the left. In fact, the average newbie might even buy something like 0.5 SP packets. Why imply that PLEX is the only method of purchase? Probably the most-mentioned method of making ISK for newbies is sitting in a FW site, which is plenty.
"SP is helpful for the game?" Here's all of the research on motivation -- it says the opposite! What purpose does it serve, then? Starter corps are non-competitive. Sov is unchallenged. "Fix sov!" you say? Remove SP.
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Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries Stain Confederation
204
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:41:39 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Levi Belvar wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Levi Belvar wrote:Dave Stark wrote:yes, the bazaar does. you find a character with the skills you want - and you purchase it. Like i said your full of ****, sure your not on the payroll so if the character bazaar isn't for buying and selling characters... oh wait. it is. No i said a perfect toon with a skillset of my choice, you just refered me back to the bazaar, like i said before your like a broken record who cannot see what is happening here. because that's the place you go to buy the skillset you want. edit: i mean, you could go to ebay instead but don't cry to me when you get banned. His point is that you can't get a perfect character from the bazaar which you will be able to do so with the neural packets.
Suggestion for a rebalance of ECM - Modulated ECM Effects
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3537
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:42:30 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Give a list of the skills you want. Make it reasonable. Odds are good I will find it for you in minutes. At a quarter of the price you'd pay for making one with SP packs. Mr Epeen
This is pretty much true. There are people who train alts for sale. They can be very good at it. If they think a perfect Tengu pilot is a good bet they'll set up the skill queue for a perfect tengu pilot and you are highly unlikely to find Omber Processing in that characters skill set.
However, not all characters on the bazaar are like that. You might have something off the normal path and it might be harder to find. Note Mr. Epeen said "reasonable" I'd have used something like "typical" or "what sells well".
This proposed market will let players looking for something that is atypical or does not sell well get those characters quickly. In and of itself that is generally a good thing.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what?
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3537
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:43:22 -
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Dror wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Chrome Veinss wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:One of the reasons I oppose this is that IMO, it will be something in favor of older players. Older players do not need a new advantage.
I'll use myself as an example:
1. I have 123 million SP on this character alone. All totaled across my alts probably more than 300 million SP. 2. I belong to a NS corp with lots of other older players who can help me directly and/or indirectly in game. 3. I belong to a NS alliance with lots of older and some newer players who can help me directly and/or indirectly. 4. We belong to one of the biggest coalitions in the game which can help me directly and/or indirectly. 5. I have been in game 8 years, I have done lots of things and know quite a bit about the mechanics of the game. 6. I have billions of ISK in my wallets and even more billions in assets.
Now on top of this you'll give me the ability to almost surely PLEX one account while still being able to use that account to earn even more ISK?
Compared to a new player what do they have?
1, 5, and 6 are flat out No for all three. 2,3 and 4 are maybes, but probably not at least for awhile.
This proposal will at best let a new player close the gap on 1 a bit. For a few select new players they might close the gap quite a bit, but most will close it by nearly trivial amounts.
I can use this new mechanic much more effectively than a new player, IMO. In fact, right now I plan on it. If it goes into effect soon enough, I'll get a third AFKtar out in the anomalies, I'll keep my PI empire and have one of my alts train AWU V in perpetuity and drain of the SP to PLEX that account.
Will that help new players? Maybe, but just not seeing it. Its not about "closing the gap". In fact you seem to have a very good idea of what this is actually about: Its about letting people skip a week of skill training for some isk and letting people get rid of sp they dont want or need to get some isk. That's all it is. Its effects are having a sp boosted newbie skip the terrible first month flying tackle frigates and dying 5 minutes into ops and having 3 year old 50 mill sp players like me get slightly closer to flying another of the many many ships we still cant fly. If the newbie uses this market. Recall, the newbie has to go spend an additional $20-40 to do this. Will the average newbie do this? Maybe. But as I noted, the average newbie doing this means that half will not do it all or on an even more limited basis. That is how averages work...half the distribution is the right of the average, half to the left. In fact, the average newbie might even buy something like 0.5 SP packets. Why imply that PLEX is the only method of purchase? Probably the most-mentioned method of making ISK for newbies is sitting in a FW site, which is plenty.
Show me a newbie who has billions of ISK who did not do it via PLEX? And newbie I mean a new player, not a new character who is the alt of a long time player.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what?
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Terraj Oknatis
xX-Crusader-Xx Tactical Narcotics Team
24
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:45:00 -
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I usually like to write huge expositions on my blog posts with carefully thought out reasons as to why I support or do not support something. This is idea is so ******** I won't do that. Instead I will just rant.
This game is not pay to win.
If you do this I will seriously consider quitting.
Reason
Because now everyone will have lvl 5 in their favorite ships and to compete you HAVE to buy the skill point packs.
This process is ireversable. If this goes live for even one month, anyone who takes advantage, and dumps a whole load of REAL MONEY TO WIN will have the advantage
I am going to have these idiot conversations with people.
"Oh you can't fly X. WHY DONT YOU JUST BUY A SKILL PACK"
"I can't believe you don't have XYZ to 5 WHY DON"T YOU JUST BUY A SKILL PACK"
"This fleet you have to have perfect skills to fly with us WHY DON"T YOU JUST BUY A SKILL PACK
FU
This is not like jump changes or balance changes this is FU(@@ serious.
If you do this it will be the beginning of the end simply because i don't want to have these WHY DON"T YOU JUST BUY A SKILL PACK conversations with people I will just quit
F(@#@ YOU CCP THIS IS OUTRAGOUS #(*@ #(@*@ GOD)@@)( FU
FU |
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:45:53 -
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I give up, if it happens it happens ....... a fool and his money are easily parted, if your born with a silver spoon in ya gob who gives a ****. |
Dave Stark
7581
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:46:17 -
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Moac Tor wrote:His point is that you can't get a perfect character from the bazaar which you will be able to do so with the neural packets.
depends what you're defining as perfect.
"i want a pilot to do X" if it does that then it's perfect.
funfact: even pilots that aren't "perfect" from the bazzar (you know, few extra sp here, few extra sp there that you don't want/need) will still be cheaper than "building your own" with packets. so you'll be paying less and getting more.
for building a character from scratch, this new proposal will be dreadfully poor ROI. |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries Stain Confederation
204
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:47:23 -
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Dror wrote:Moac Tor wrote:The truth is Rise doesn't really know what he is doing when it comes to new player retention and is flailing about now with this idea in an attempt to salvage his failed opportunities idea.
I could have told him the opportunity system wouldn't work, but for some reason he has taken that failure as a green light to put in this poor system. There were a lot of good suggestions in the new player retention thread, I'd suggest going back there and getting ideas from that. There was nothing like this idea that was suggested.
This idea will not make any difference to new player retention, in fact it will most likely have a negative effect.
I do think Rise is doing this with good intention for new player retention, but the marketing guys are pushing him on with $ in their eyes. There's no reason to pretend that you have the metrics of what effects fresh subs. They have every reason to believe, through scientific research and the game's data, that the motivation to experience the game is much more powerful than anything that can come from limited SP. Feel free to read up on intrinsic vs extrinsic motivation. These have objective commonalities that benefit game design, work ethic, and everything else that comes. Their scientific research and game data hasn't helped them so far. Have you followed the failure which is the opportunities system at all? I wouldn't be so dismissive of common sense opinions from eve players, graphs and statistics can only ever be of limited use.
Suggestion for a rebalance of ECM - Modulated ECM Effects
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Dave Stark
7581
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:48:05 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Show me a newbie who has billions of ISK who did not do it via PLEX? And newbie I mean a new player, not a new character who is the alt of a long time player.
pretty much anyone who joined the game to scam people, and did so. |
Dave Stark
7581
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:49:13 -
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Terraj Oknatis wrote:I usually like to write huge expositions on my blog posts with carefully thought out reasons as to why I support or do not support something. This is idea is so ******** I won't do that. Instead I will just rant.
This game is not pay to win.
If you do this I will seriously consider quitting.
Reason
Because now everyone will have lvl 5 in their favorite ships and to compete you HAVE to buy the skill point packs.
This process is ireversable. If this goes live for even one month, anyone who takes advantage, and dumps a whole load of REAL MONEY TO WIN will have the advantage
I am going to have these idiot conversations with people.
"Oh you can't fly X. WHY DONT YOU JUST BUY A SKILL PACK"
"I can't believe you don't have XYZ to 5 WHY DON"T YOU JUST BUY A SKILL PACK"
"This fleet you have to have perfect skills to fly with us WHY DON"T YOU JUST BUY A SKILL PACK
FU
This is not like jump changes or balance changes this is FU(@@ serious.
If you do this it will be the beginning of the end simply because i don't want to have these WHY DON"T YOU JUST BUY A SKILL PACK conversations with people I will just quit
F(@#@ YOU CCP THIS IS OUTRAGOUS #(*@ #(@*@ GOD)@@)( FU
FU
replace "why don't you just buy a skill pack" with "why don't you just buy a character".
welcome to eve today. |
Interfly Ghormenheist
The Caravan Track
0
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:49:28 -
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While I always have been an advocate of supporting new capsuleers skill point wise ...
... it seems to me that EVE is loosing its core when SP can be bought without limits. There is a thin line between empowering starters and letting moneysacks powerbuy up their hollow scarecrow characters limitless. And I got the feeling that you are about to cross it, CCP.
I am tracing my MMO roots to one of the the original "big three" of the nineties. Buying a character for AFK currency would make anyone an outcast at this stage. I do acknowledge the necessity for the Character Bazaar to exist, regarding black market activity in an age where many kids seem down with setting up an Alliance Tournament. But making an argument out of this sour fact is just as wrong as arguing from a market perspective. This is not about any data. It is about the very soul of EVE Online.
Ripard Teg's plea should make you think, CCP. And I know just why. SP make up a few percent of any result in EVE only, with soft skills and ISK being the actual winners. Take these few percent away from us vets, and we got nothing. Except stories about GÇ£walking to school in the snow, uphill, both waysGÇ¥. Adapt GÇ£to the new and emerging needs of the environmentGÇ¥? Definitely. Disregarding the ones who made you what you are today as GÇ£obsoleteGÇ¥, as Set's Chaos so eloquently put it on TMC? I do not think so.
Last time that GÇ£greed was goodGÇ¥, the information was leaked. This time it was posted. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9278
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:49:53 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Moac Tor wrote:BrundleMeth wrote:I remember when they introduced the 24 hour skill queue. People went ballistic, calling it the end of EVE. Then, they went to an unlimited skill queue...and no one said anything. My point is...this new idea...whatever... No everyone was pretty much in favour of the unlimited skill que. Perhaps a couple of people didn't like it but comparing it to the backlash to this idea, the difference is like night and day. Okay, finally found the Dev Blog thread on the initial 24 hour skill queue and the first page is pretty much supportive. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=989819 There are 25 pages of posts. So, I'm going to guess nope. Most people felt the skill queue was a good idea long over due. For EVE that thread was a success. It made it a whole five pages before the whining started.
Anything to do with changing training has been met with a lot of opposition since way back. People get angry, then sad, then grudgingly accept it. Eventually they come to the point where they wonder how they ever lived without it.
I feel it will be the same with this.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3537
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:50:19 -
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Terraj Oknatis wrote:I usually like to write huge expositions on my blog posts with carefully thought out reasons as to why I support or do not support something. This is idea is so ******** I won't do that. Instead I will just rant.
This game is not pay to win.
If you do this I will seriously consider quitting.
Reason
Because now everyone will have lvl 5 in their favorite ships and to compete you HAVE to buy the skill point packs.
This process is ireversable. If this goes live for even one month, anyone who takes advantage, and dumps a whole load of REAL MONEY TO WIN will have the advantage
I am going to have these idiot conversations with people.
"Oh you can't fly X. WHY DONT YOU JUST BUY A SKILL PACK"
"I can't believe you don't have XYZ to 5 WHY DON"T YOU JUST BUY A SKILL PACK"
"This fleet you have to have perfect skills to fly with us WHY DON"T YOU JUST BUY A SKILL PACK
FU
This is not like jump changes or balance changes this is FU(@@ serious.
If you do this it will be the beginning of the end simply because i don't want to have these WHY DON"T YOU JUST BUY A SKILL PACK conversations with people I will just quit
F(@#@ YOU CCP THIS IS OUTRAGOUS #(*@ #(@*@ GOD)@@)( FU
FU
I doubt this will happen. The reason is simple, no reasonable FC is going to say that. They are not that stupid...or if they are they wont be an FC for long.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what?
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Dave Stark
7581
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:51:57 -
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Interfly Ghormenheist wrote:it seems to me that EVE is loosing its core when SP can be bought without limits.
good job that's not the case, then. |
Terraj Oknatis
xX-Crusader-Xx Tactical Narcotics Team
24
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:52:22 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Terraj Oknatis wrote:I usually like to write huge expositions on my blog posts with carefully thought out reasons as to why I support or do not support something. This is idea is so ******** I won't do that. Instead I will just rant.
This game is not pay to win.
If you do this I will seriously consider quitting.
Reason
Because now everyone will have lvl 5 in their favorite ships and to compete you HAVE to buy the skill point packs.
This process is ireversable. If this goes live for even one month, anyone who takes advantage, and dumps a whole load of REAL MONEY TO WIN will have the advantage
I am going to have these idiot conversations with people.
"Oh you can't fly X. WHY DONT YOU JUST BUY A SKILL PACK"
"I can't believe you don't have XYZ to 5 WHY DON"T YOU JUST BUY A SKILL PACK"
"This fleet you have to have perfect skills to fly with us WHY DON"T YOU JUST BUY A SKILL PACK
FU
This is not like jump changes or balance changes this is FU(@@ serious.
If you do this it will be the beginning of the end simply because i don't want to have these WHY DON"T YOU JUST BUY A SKILL PACK conversations with people I will just quit
F(@#@ YOU CCP THIS IS OUTRAGOUS #(*@ #(@*@ GOD)@@)( FU
FU replace "why don't you just buy a skill pack" with "why don't you just buy a character". welcome to eve today.
you can't buy a character (technically) with real money. You will be able to BUY A SKILL PACK with real money.
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Nindae
AquariusArt AquariusArt Alliance
1
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:54:09 -
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As many people before me said, pay-to-win comes to EVE with this idea. And for more, last remnants of possible role play will go to hell as well with that. As is written in devblog, history of a character is lost, but it is not an advantage, it destroys the very soul of EVE, where the reputation of your character mean a lot. Are you cheater and thief? No problem, suck out SP, delete old char and create new one and twink it up with stolen money and start again. If I want to deal with idiotic kiddy twinks with rich parents, I can go play WoW. And when you for example did a decision to choose miner path and now you want to be explorer? Good, but behave like adult and just skill up for the new path without this SP sucking absurdity. Like in real life. Current SP system makes EVE special, as EVE is the only true virtual world and one of last true online RPGs, where your virtual life means something. Please do not destroy it with this stupidity, do not alter EVE into another idiotic F2P pay-to-win trash, where spoiled brats destroy gameplay of the others with money of their parents. Because that would be an end of EVE. |
Terraj Oknatis
xX-Crusader-Xx Tactical Narcotics Team
24
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:54:17 -
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Techos
I am still going to have these conversations with ppl.
Maybe fleet level they wouldn't say that but In normal conversations with people on ts This is going to come up.
Its cheating.
Its pay to win.
Its garbage. |
Dave Stark
7581
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:54:17 -
[2750] - Quote
Terraj Oknatis wrote:you can't buy a character (technically) with real money. You will be able to BUY A SKILL PACK with real money.
no, you won't be able to buy a skill pack with real money. they must be purchased from the market (or another player directly) as the SP must be extracted from a character. they do not appear from thin air. |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9278
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:55:43 -
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Terraj Oknatis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Terraj Oknatis wrote:I usually like to write huge expositions on my blog posts with carefully thought out reasons as to why I support or do not support something. This is idea is so ******** I won't do that. Instead I will just rant.
This game is not pay to win.
If you do this I will seriously consider quitting.
Reason
Because now everyone will have lvl 5 in their favorite ships and to compete you HAVE to buy the skill point packs.
This process is ireversable. If this goes live for even one month, anyone who takes advantage, and dumps a whole load of REAL MONEY TO WIN will have the advantage
I am going to have these idiot conversations with people.
"Oh you can't fly X. WHY DONT YOU JUST BUY A SKILL PACK"
"I can't believe you don't have XYZ to 5 WHY DON"T YOU JUST BUY A SKILL PACK"
"This fleet you have to have perfect skills to fly with us WHY DON"T YOU JUST BUY A SKILL PACK
FU
This is not like jump changes or balance changes this is FU(@@ serious.
If you do this it will be the beginning of the end simply because i don't want to have these WHY DON"T YOU JUST BUY A SKILL PACK conversations with people I will just quit
F(@#@ YOU CCP THIS IS OUTRAGOUS #(*@ #(@*@ GOD)@@)( FU
FU replace "why don't you just buy a skill pack" with "why don't you just buy a character". welcome to eve today. you can't buy a character (technically) with real money. You will be able to BUY A SKILL PACK with real money. Seriously?
Credit Card -PLEX- ISK- New character.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Terraj Oknatis
xX-Crusader-Xx Tactical Narcotics Team
24
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:58:33 -
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Nindae wrote:As many people before me said, pay-to-win comes to EVE with this idea. And for more, last remnants of possible role play will go to hell as well with that. As is written in devblog, history of a character is lost, but it is not an advantage, it destroys the very soul of EVE, where the reputation of your character mean a lot. Are you cheater and thief? No problem, suck out SP, delete old char and create new one and twink it up with stolen money and start again. If I want to deal with idiotic kiddy twinks with rich parents, I can go play WoW. And when you for example did a decision to choose miner path and now you want to be explorer? Good, but behave like adult and just skill up for the new path without this SP sucking absurdity. Like in real life, current SP system makes EVE special, as EVE is the only true virtual world and one of last true online RPGs, where your virtual life means something. Please do not destroy it with this stupidity, do not alter EVE into another idiotic F2P pay-to-win trash, where spoiled brats destroy gameplay of the others with money of their parents. Because that would be an end of EVE.
See I like this quote because it makes alot of sense.
Your reputation can add value to your character, and anyone who buys characters can run the risk of having that character have a poor reputation.
The only way to salvage this devblog post is to ether throw it in the bin or have it so that the market will support character trading for isk only.
You started your dev blog with bazzar and character trading, and you jumped to skill point purchase with aurm. That sounds like a load of bullshit to me.
I know what this is. This is a cash grab off a sinking ship and it stinks to high heaven.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
3537
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Posted - 2015.10.17 21:59:25 -
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Terraj Oknatis wrote:Techos
I am still going to have these conversations with ppl.
Maybe fleet level they wouldn't say that but In normal conversations with people on ts This is going to come up.
Its cheating.
Its pay to win.
Its garbage.
It is no more cheating than the character bazaar and PLEX, IMO.
In fact, I don't think most new player will use it. It will be used by older players to crap out specialized alts they'll use to their benefit....which is one reason I don't support it.
And I think only new players will ask you that question, and well be gentle (in your conversation, blast them in game of course)...they are new and we need them.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what?
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Jared Khanar
9
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Posted - 2015.10.17 22:00:02 -
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Nindae wrote:As many people before me said, pay-to-win comes to EVE with this idea. And for more, last remnants of possible role play will go to hell as well with that. As is written in devblog, history of a character is lost, but it is not an advantage, it destroys the very soul of EVE, where the reputation of your character mean a lot. Are you cheater and thief? No problem, suck out SP, delete old char and create new one and twink it up with stolen money and start again. If I want to deal with idiotic kiddy twinks with rich parents, I can go play WoW. And when you for example did a decision to choose miner path and now you want to be explorer? Good, but behave like adult and just skill up for the new path without this SP sucking absurdity. Like in real life. Current SP system makes EVE special, as EVE is the only true virtual world and one of last true online RPGs, where your virtual life means something. Please do not destroy it with this stupidity, do not alter EVE into another idiotic F2P pay-to-win trash, where spoiled brats destroy gameplay of the others with money of their parents. Because that would be an end of EVE.
Well maybe it-¦s seems like a good idea to some, letting a baby drive a car (because the money - and we need to sell cars). It doesn-¦t matter that it should learn to walk and talk and all that stuff instead (there is no teacher anyway because... everyone is producing ... cars !?). And ofcourse think of the political incorrectness if you deny a baby that pleasure. All these car driving one-¦s are clearly only worried about their status, if they don-¦t chear over this. Also this will boost our entire economy. More doctors are needed, more oil, more everything for everyone ^^ |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Mr Epeen wrote:Credit Card -PLEX- ISK- New character. Mr Epeen
And this is largely how it will work with SP packets.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what?
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Levi Belvar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Dave Stark wrote:Interfly Ghormenheist wrote:it seems to me that EVE is loosing its core when SP can be bought without limits. good job that's not the case, then.
CCP Stark you have info you'd like to share with us ?? |
Terraj Oknatis
xX-Crusader-Xx Tactical Narcotics Team
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Teckos Pech wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Credit Card -PLEX- ISK- New character. Mr Epeen And this is largely how it will work with SP packets.
The Bazzar is not technically supported by CCP.
This is
This goes credit card- add skill points to current character
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2015.10.17 22:04:19 -
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Levi Belvar wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Interfly Ghormenheist wrote:it seems to me that EVE is loosing its core when SP can be bought without limits. good job that's not the case, then. CCP Stark you have info you'd like to share with us ??
The amount of SP in the game is fixed. Sum up all the SP for every character and subtract total number of characters * 5,000,000 and that is the total amount of SP that could theoretically end up on the market.
Any SP on the market has to be extracted from an existing character.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what?
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Talsha Talamar
Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
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Teckos Pech wrote:Talsha Talamar wrote:http://eve-search.com/stats/thread/450912-1
Just a thing I wanted to leave here:
Dave Stark187 (7,1%) Querns128 (4,8%) Don ZOLA98 (3,7%) Teckos Pech96 (3,6%)
Some people are rather violently pushing their agenda. Considering I'm like John Kerry, in that I was initially in favor, now against....might want to add some nuance to your analysis.
Agreed ;D It was not much of an analysis though, I just checked eve-search and took everyone who was above 50 posts at that time ;)
Cheers
P.S.: Also.. do not be to hard to yourself calling you a Kerry. Its a game after all ;) |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2015.10.17 22:04:38 -
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Levi Belvar wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Interfly Ghormenheist wrote:it seems to me that EVE is loosing its core when SP can be bought without limits. good job that's not the case, then. CCP Stark you have info you'd like to share with us ??
yeah - it's all in the devblog so i'm not breaking the NDA i'm under by being a ccp employee (disclaimer before i get banned for impersonating people at ccp: i don't actually work there.)
the super secret info is that SP must be extracted from a character to be sold. that means there's a finite number of SP which means we have limit on how much SP can be bought.
you know, if you'd have read the devblog maybe i wouldn't have to explain these things to you people and i wouldn't have more posts in this thread than anyone else.
it helps to read a devblog BEFORE you come to the thread to discuss it. |
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