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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2006.12.28 12:58:00 -
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E-stores/ebayers= pay just for subs customer:only pays ccp for sub(s)
Then you have the legal way.
GCseller:pays for sub(s) + RL money to aquire GCs giving ccp more money. GCcustomer/isk seller: pays for sub(s)+indirectly nets CCP more profit. If the seller doesnt pay for sub(s) they at least indirectly pay for it via GCseller's GCpurchase.
this helps choke those that sell isk for profit. It attempts to close the loop by risk of penalty and a path of legitimacy. If your buying isk, do you really want to risk getting banned? If not then buy a GC and sell it in game to someone with the isk you want. chinese macro miners are now -1 customer. Repeat until the stench of sweatshops are no longer present in empire space.
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Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said
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Posted - 2006.12.28 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Destiny Calling
I don't think there lame, I think there excellent as I simpley don't have the time to rat/npc for a few hours a day.
Thats the problem you see... i flat refuse to PVP, or be a victim of you 'content' creating players.... while i have to replace my loses with in game isk grinding proceses.
There's a fairly unfair statment, what you are esentialy saying is that you negate all those pitfalls and concequences (risk v's reward, timesinking activity) which the more prominate members of this forum 'mr Rod blaine' for example... ccp themselfs (ouver) the gm team (GM arkanon) sing from high heaven.
Most impressive, the problem being ofc while you are allways good to go with youre essentialy bought isk to accuire your assets.... your poor sob of an oponnent (unless he's doing the same) will be busy engaging himself in ingame activity to replace his.
Now thats something like i said in my opening paragraph i just will not lower myself to.
Originally by: Destiny Calling
However I do have ú15 sterlign free at the end of the month to buy and sell 2 GTC for 300 million.
fatal to admit you buy your isk, i hope i never have to place my ingame assets in your line of fire.
By ccp's definition, you admit you buy isk with rl currency, then iv'e every right to call you a cheat.
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.12.28 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
fatal to admit you buy your isk, i hope i never have to place my ingame assets in your line of fire.
psh i totally disagree. i love fighting people who buy their ISK with cash. instead of "oh noes ive lost my spaceship monies" its more like "FFS that scum cost me 15$"
as for getting banned, its totally okay unless you do it a lot, because someones bound to sell you dirty ISK some time.
at least thats how i feel because im paranoid
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 13:12:00 -
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lol @ the whiners. Remember HES LOOSING RL MONEY, money you can go buy booze, a new car etc. etc.. So he is loosing. Just get usedto it.
Also I'd like toay thanks to ccp for GTC'sotherwise I couldn't play.
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Destiny Calling
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2006.12.28 13:17:00 -
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Quote: fatal to admit you buy your isk, i hope i never have to place my ingame assets in your line of fire.
There is nothign fatal about it, stop being thick - simple as.
I don't have to place my surplus cash (not assets)into eve, its my choice becasue I can do it, and I can't be bothered npcing. This isn't a difficult concept.
Its not a case of selling 10 or 20 of these things for billions its one or two a month. where as a atrget of mine gear isn't expensive they will always have the upper time in exp and info on ships and tactics, as outlined its balanced out between those that ahve time to play and those that have time to work.
I don't why everyone whines, i'll gladly swap my lifestyle for anyone who has hours to earn ISK for anyone who wants to live mine (maybe for a day or two only)
Quote: something you said about calling me a cheat
By your logic I can call you poor - before you cry im not calling yuo poor, im pointing your **** logic
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Lucifer Fellblade
Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.28 13:26:00 -
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The reason people don't like buying ingame money is simple, not everybody can afford to do it, which gives those with more RL money an advantage. Simple as that. ------
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CovertSlayer
Gallente War-Mart
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Posted - 2006.12.28 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade The reason people don't like buying ingame money is simple, not everybody can afford to do it, which gives those with more RL money an advantage. Simple as that.
Yes thats pretty simple, the whole world is unfair. Not everybody whines about it though, most just get on with it though.
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Destiny Calling
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2006.12.28 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeten lol @ the whiners. Remember HES LOOSING RL MONEY, money you can go buy booze, a new car etc. etc.. So he is loosing. Just get usedto it.
Also I'd like toay thanks to ccp for GTC'sotherwise I couldn't play.
ú15 a month is not what i would count as a great loss at all.
I do buy booze, I have several cars (not all that run too well though )
The point is this is not how I fund my self, it suplements me. Since there is certain morons here that can't ascertain the facts. Lets take itt o the extreme.
You pay your 15 Euro a month and grind the entire month to buy that new Abaddon, forget to insure it and lose it the day later.
Making everythign you worked that whole month worthless, meaning in effect you have just lost RL cash becasue your time was worthless and you achieved nothing.
Im not interested if you don't like GTC, no one else is defendign them (why am I the only idiot ) thousands are involved with GTC most used alts - I couln't be arsed.
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Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said
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Posted - 2006.12.28 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kaeten
Also I'd like to say thanks to ccp for GTC's otherwise I couldn't play.
Essentialy i have no problem with this.
It's just there are better ways of resolving that/your situation...
I know plenty of people in the game that are in the same boat as yourself.... im glad some of them can continue to play because they can exchange isk for gametime.
What narks me is the current ffa where people are exploiting the situation to buy isk at free will, with ccp's sheer ignorance and apathy toward the issue....Given that they say themselfs they don't allow people to 'buy isk' because of the way it effects other players (such as myself) who wish to play the game in it's correct manner.
It's when you see people admit it in front of your eyes... doesn't that make you feel a little sick inside knowing that ccp see that too, then later on you see them preaching to you about 'never intends' ect...
Seriously, it's insulting/ ______
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Frobisher
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.28 13:42:00 -
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I really wish these threads would get locked
The OP's question has been answered CCP are well aware of the different opinions regarding the sale of GTC's as we have seen enough of these threads over the past year
For better or worse RL resources come into this game, multiple accounts, character selling, GTC selling ... if it was meant to be an even playing field there wouldn't be T2 BPO's Hey, this is my reality ... and I don't remember inviting you |
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente Does Not Compute
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Posted - 2006.12.28 14:17:00 -
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It doesn't matter what way you try to justify it buying GTC cards to sell for isk is cheating, Simple as that really. The "I'm a casual gamer" line is tbh just a load of bullocks that fits quite convieniantly as an excuse. There's plenty of ways to make isk in this game even given short play time, But if you suck.... You suck I guesse
Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
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CovertSlayer
Gallente War-Mart
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Posted - 2006.12.28 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii It doesn't matter what way you try to justify it buying GTC cards to sell for isk is cheating, Simple as that really. The "I'm a casual gamer" line is tbh just a load of bullocks that fits quite convieniantly as an excuse. There's plenty of ways to make isk in this game even given short play time, But if you suck.... You suck I guesse
Alliaanna
really everything you just said is total 'bullocks' I don't buy or sell them, I accept it happens and I don't cry about it.
Tissue?
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Zhu Dark
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Posted - 2006.12.28 14:26:00 -
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I really don't get how it's all fine and dandy that people can buy gametime for ISK, yet somehow it's wrong to sell gametime for ISK?`
HELLO?!
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente Does Not Compute
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Posted - 2006.12.28 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: CovertSlayer
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii It doesn't matter what way you try to justify it buying GTC cards to sell for isk is cheating, Simple as that really. The "I'm a casual gamer" line is tbh just a load of bullocks that fits quite convieniantly as an excuse. There's plenty of ways to make isk in this game even given short play time, But if you suck.... You suck I guesse
Alliaanna
really everything you just said is total 'bullocks' I don't buy or sell them, I accept it happens and I don't cry about it.
Tissue?
So buying isk is not cheating ? Silly me
Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
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Destiny Calling
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2006.12.28 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Destiny Calling on 28/12/2006 14:30:31
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Originally by: CovertSlayer
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii It doesn't matter what way you try to justify it buying GTC cards to sell for isk is cheating, Simple as that really. The "I'm a casual gamer" line is tbh just a load of bullocks that fits quite convieniantly as an excuse. There's plenty of ways to make isk in this game even given short play time, But if you suck.... You suck I guesse
Alliaanna
really everything you just said is total 'bullocks' I don't buy or sell them, I accept it happens and I don't cry about it.
Tissue?
So buying isk is not cheating ? Silly me
Alliaanna
That is correct, buying a gtc and selling it for isk is not
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PCaBoo
Newbies On Xstacy
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Posted - 2006.12.28 14:33:00 -
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So ditch the middleman and go to the source!
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Zhu Dark
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Posted - 2006.12.28 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
I know plenty of people in the game that are in the same boat as yourself.... im glad some of them can continue to play because they can exchange isk for gametime.
What narks me is the current ffa where people are exploiting the situation to buy isk at free will...
You're a joke. You defend the people making RL->ISK possible and attack only one side of this coin. You do realize that if no people bought GTC, there would be no sellers right?
Consumers are always responsible for the producer's actions. ALWAYS. Go blame the friends you are so glad for.
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CovertSlayer
Gallente War-Mart
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Posted - 2006.12.28 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: CovertSlayer on 28/12/2006 14:36:57
Originally by: PCaBoo So ditch the middleman and go to the source!
You don;t know how a GTC works do you?
They buy a GTC for ISK to avoid paying for Eve with rl cash. by ditching the middle man there then back to paying for eve with rl cash.
edit: I was rude
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Frobisher
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.28 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: PCaBoo So ditch the middleman and go to the source!
So CCP sell gametime for ISK?
I'm sure the Devs will be happy to know they can get a shiny new Thorax with their monthly pay
or that the Telecoms companies can get advertising on ingame billboards as payment for that line rental
The middleman is necessary because they put up the $$$ Hey, this is my reality ... and I don't remember inviting you |
Kopach
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Posted - 2006.12.28 14:45:00 -
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For the last time ffs...there is NO DIFFERENCE between CCP geting the money or some Internet club owner that pays kids to play all they long. The result is the SAME..lemme repet it.. THE RESULT IS THE SAME !!!!!....as in.. someone is taking a short cut in the game by spending real cash for it.
So... how come can you suport selling game cards and whine like a loser against people buying ISK from secondary market aka Ebay or whatever ?
It really cant be that difficult to grasp this even if you are mentaly challenged :/
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Destiny Calling
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2006.12.28 14:51:00 -
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If you can't spot the difference then you either didnt read it all, mentally challenged or just a troll
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Destiny Calling
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2006.12.28 14:57:00 -
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I resign from this debate and agree to disagree. Have too much to do today.
Someone else feel free to take up the torch using there main. Be warned there are a lot of bitter people out there who find it easier to pick on a seller then there alt riddles friends that buy.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente Does Not Compute
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Posted - 2006.12.28 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kopach For the last time ffs...there is NO DIFFERENCE between CCP geting the money or some Internet club owner that pays kids to play all they long. The result is the SAME..lemme repet it.. THE RESULT IS THE SAME !!!!!....as in.. someone is taking a short cut in the game by spending real cash for it.
So... how come can you suport selling game cards and whine like a loser against people buying ISK from secondary market aka Ebay or whatever ?
It really cant be that difficult to grasp this even if you are mentaly challenged :/
QFT
Both are equally as lame, Cant play a game properly.. cheat
Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
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Galk
Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said
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Posted - 2006.12.28 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zhu Dark
Originally by: Galk
I know plenty of people in the game that are in the same boat as yourself.... im glad some of them can continue to play because they can exchange isk for gametime.
What narks me is the current ffa where people are exploiting the situation to buy isk at free will...
You're a joke. You defend the people making RL->ISK possible and attack only one side of this coin. You do realize that if no people bought GTC, there would be no sellers right?
Consumers are always responsible for the producer's actions. ALWAYS. Go blame the friends you are so glad for.
I belive it is ccp that are responsible.
They have the opportunity to bring in regulation to stop the ffa... getting the help to those that need it in a regulatory manner...
It's a hard case to argue though, ccp throw the best part forward... 'we are helping people' (which ofc you can do nothing but agree with)
It's nothing but manipulative though... the morales of which is something i belive, in because im a decent person... but obviously now with a year of ignorance and apahy from ccp with several contradicting statements to boot... just how anybody can look at ccp as being an honest company is beyond me... yet people continue to say that.
I do not defend people who buy isk for rl exchange though, i think you can get pretty much the gist from my posts that im vermontly against that.
I do reconsise the irony of my previous statement though... the pitfalls were obvious to me at the time of saying it.
Simple question to ask:
Do ccp generaly intend to help people who can't afford to play the game.
Or do they allow timecodes to be sold for isk purely so they can profit from it.
if the answer is the former, then they should/would definately have regulated it by now
if the answer is the later, then please just be honest and admit it... instead of hiding behind lame apaphatic arguements of 'helping poor people'. ______
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Devil Hanzo
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.12.28 15:25:00 -
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Original posters question have been answered, and since players apparently cant discuss this matter without insulting each other or ccp, im going to lock it.
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Frobisher
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.28 15:37:00 -
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Well at the end of the day CCP are a commercial company whose product is an on-line game.
They are in the business to make money ... just in a more fun way than most other companies and care about their product.
I don't know whether it is as big a free for all as we think it is. Just checked the sell forums and on page 1 saw 5 GTC sell threads ... but also saw 5 character sell threads which is equally a way to make isk using RL resources.
I don't know what people use the isk for (buying uber characters, BPO's, supporting casual game PvP, whatever) but I just don't think it is as big an impact as people feel it is.
Did BOB or ASCN sell GTC's to get their Titan BPO's ... err did I suggest that. Was the person who shot your faction fitted mission ship last night flying a ship fitted out with GTC Isk ... unlikely but possible.
At the end of the day I think CCP have looked at it from a comercial perspective and feel that the GTC sales give them commercial benefit without threatening the health of their product as a whole. If that situation changed I think we would see the sale banned.
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