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Levin Milraco
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:20:00 -
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you done the community a service, thanks btw....
hey, if they dont return you RPs, atleast you will always be remembered as the person who provided evidence on how wrong and Disappointing CCP's attempt to add invention is.
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Lady Noir
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Noir on 27/12/2006 19:21:54
Originally by: Gone'Postal Edited by: Gone''Postal on 27/12/2006 19:18:15
Originally by: Lady Noir
Originally by: Gone'Postal Wow this saves a lot of people finding out that while CCP can come up with grand ideas, they lack the ability to make them work.
To the OP i'd request your RP points back.
It's very doubtful that they would return my RP, it's more than likely something will get changed in the near future, and all my RP would have gone to waste on a "pre-nerfed" system.
and thus:..
They ask us to test things, they ask us to bug report something that goes wrong, when you find something that they were too drunk to test especialy(sp?) that costs you something ingame in this case RP. you should get them back, but heh.. And the incentive to submit future bug reports would be ...... ?
Yeah i doubt theres many people willing to spend RP on invention like i have, over 150,000 gallante starship engineering and over 50,000 mechanical engineering research points wasted so far, and for what? To find out invention is prenerfed to the point that it's not even worth doing. I shouldn't be so crazy with my RP. They are releasing more T2 bpos currently aswell...
If i want to do further testing, i'm probably going to have to spend another 300k starship and 100k mechanical rp, before i can really say i've tested it fully.
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Ishmael Hansen
No Quarter.
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:23:00 -
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CCP will NEVER do anything that affects the tech 2 bpo holders, it's the only way to keep BoB/MC supremacy.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:26:00 -
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Your work is grand and many of us stand up and thank you for it. With them doing yet another T2 BPO release.. (why break something once, when you can do it twice) most people would have been hording there RP's like new borns.
I for one thank you for the efforts involved, this kind of effort by the players make eve the game I love to try and play. The company that made it.... less said the better.
Known Issues & Workarounds - The forum to fix the issues of Eve... Godhelp us if the Devs start trying to. Happy New Year.. |
Dal Thrax
Caldari House Of Troy
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:26:00 -
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Edited by: Dal Thrax on 27/12/2006 19:27:01
Originally by: Lady Noir
Originally by: Gone'Postal Edited by: Gone''Postal on 27/12/2006 19:18:15
Originally by: Lady Noir
Originally by: Gone'Postal Wow this saves a lot of people finding out that while CCP can come up with grand ideas, they lack the ability to make them work.
To the OP i'd request your RP points back.
It's very doubtful that they would return my RP, it's more than likely something will get changed in the near future, and all my RP would have gone to waste on a "pre-nerfed" system.
and thus:..
They ask us to test things, they ask us to bug report something that goes wrong, when you find something that they were too drunk to test especialy(sp?) that costs you something ingame in this case RP. you should get them back, but heh.. And the incentive to submit future bug reports would be ...... ?
Yeah i doubt theres many people willing to spend RP on invention like i have, over 150,000 gallante starship engineering and over 50,000 mechanical engineering research points wasted so far, and for what? To find out invention is prenerfed to the point that it's not even worth doing. I shouldn't be so crazy with my RP. They are releasing more T2 bpos currently aswell...
Lady, would you mind providing some details as to invention of modules. Me thinks that invention may be less nerfed outside of ships.
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Lady Noir
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:27:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Noir on 27/12/2006 19:27:47 Used about 100 gallente starship datacores and 100 mechanical engineering datacores so far. Looks like i'll need to get a lot more if i want to test this using max run bpc's like the bughunter suggested. Even though i still don't know if ME/PE makes any difference, the bughunter said that he thinks it might effect the ME/PE of the T2 bpc, but from my testing so far, it doesn't.
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Szprinkoth Sponsz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ishmael Hansen CCP will NEVER do anything that affects the tech 2 bpo holders, it's the only way to keep BoB/MC supremacy.
Nice tinfoil hat you've got there. --
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:29:00 -
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I'd speak to someone that can state in an offical way that any more testing you do on the matter will insure you get the RP back. If not I hate to see someone waste something.
Known Issues & Workarounds - The forum to fix the issues of Eve... Godhelp us if the Devs start trying to. Happy New Year.. |
Kylania
Gallente Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Noir
Originally by: Gone'Postal Wow this saves a lot of people finding out that while CCP can come up with grand ideas, they lack the ability to make them work.
To the OP i'd request your RP points back.
It's very doubtful that they would return my RP, it's more than likely something will get changed in the near future, and all my RP would have gone to waste on a "pre-nerfed" system.
Do you have these points on SiSi so you can do your testing there? My corp is just getting into Invention, but after threads like this I'm not so sure we want to start yet. -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap | CCG Card Lookup |
Lady Noir
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kylania
Originally by: Lady Noir
Originally by: Gone'Postal Wow this saves a lot of people finding out that while CCP can come up with grand ideas, they lack the ability to make them work.
To the OP i'd request your RP points back.
It's very doubtful that they would return my RP, it's more than likely something will get changed in the near future, and all my RP would have gone to waste on a "pre-nerfed" system.
Do you have these points on SiSi so you can do your testing there? My corp is just getting into Invention, but after threads like this I'm not so sure we want to start yet.
Cant test it on sisi, the tools are not available.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:37:00 -
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Muffles something about the ability to test something on the test server and goes to make more coffee and food.
Known Issues & Workarounds - The forum to fix the issues of Eve... Godhelp us if the Devs start trying to. Happy New Year.. |
Darkrogue
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Darkrogue on 27/12/2006 19:42:37 Lady Noir, thank you for all your time, ISK, research and frustration, so that everyone else in the community doesn't have to go through the same thing.
And thank you CCP for releasing features talked about and worked on for half a year, that you obviously only worked on for like.... a week.
So.... Exploration = pretty worthless Invention = Very worthless Rigs = Highly Overpriced so worthless New Map = Suckage T2 Ammo + Ships = Nerfed
Yeah.....nice patch. Thanks for the new ships
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Phyrr
Minmatar The Gosimer and Scarab
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:46:00 -
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Thanks for the update Noir and the hard evidence rather than speculation. The only way i can actually see this being a valid system for invention is if it's specifically geared towards t3, which doesn't really help us in the meantime
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Ashina Sito
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:54:00 -
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Lady Noir,
Thanks for the effort, it is apprictated.
Someone did mention above that Starship Engneering might not be the best test bed. Have you happend to try something a little lower on the scale? Some Fitting that you can make a high run BPC is a very short time. In any case things do seem a bit out of wack. Thnaks again for the effort.
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Lady Noir
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Posted - 2006.12.27 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ashina Sito Lady Noir,
Thanks for the effort, it is apprictated.
Someone did mention above that Starship Engneering might not be the best test bed. Have you happend to try something a little lower on the scale? Some Fitting that you can make a high run BPC is a very short time. In any case things do seem a bit out of wack. Thnaks again for the effort.
I can't test modules, however i have been testing very low down the scale anyway, i've been using assault frigates for most of the tests, they require 2 + 2 datacores, the same as all modules. Reguardless, people are going to want to invent T2 ships, with the way things are now, it's just not worth it.
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Moominer
InterGalactic Corp.
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Posted - 2006.12.27 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Noir
Originally by: Kylania
Originally by: Lady Noir
Originally by: Gone'Postal Wow this saves a lot of people finding out that while CCP can come up with grand ideas, they lack the ability to make them work.
To the OP i'd request your RP points back.
It's very doubtful that they would return my RP, it's more than likely something will get changed in the near future, and all my RP would have gone to waste on a "pre-nerfed" system.
Do you have these points on SiSi so you can do your testing there? My corp is just getting into Invention, but after threads like this I'm not so sure we want to start yet.
Cant test it on sisi, the tools are not available.
This is the fatal issue with invention. It's barely been tested outwith CCPs internal QA. There is absolutely no reason you should be spending your own RP on testing this **** to prove a point from this point on.
It is now blindingly obvious that much of the Invention process need addressing.
The interface BPCs, cosmos components, datacores and decryptors need seeding on sisi for fullscale testing as they should have been during Kali beta on sisi. Eve Fitting Manager
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Mnengli Noiliffe
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Posted - 2006.12.27 20:15:00 -
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any fun in mmo=someone else's suffering, so what did you expect. in this case, CCP and their bob/mc alts are obviously having fun.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.12.27 20:18:00 -
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well to be honest a lot of players will ehar bad words about it and wont bother - meaning CCP has given us another totally worthless feature - tech 2 invention is now dead and not worth the hassle.
Will it be fixed ( like scanning cloaked ships promised not delivered) workable exploration ( tedius and half deliverted) being able to use concord and interbus agents again without the massive sec gain ( promised not implemented) DED connections skill ( not delivered) i wont go on but whats the bet that CCP keeps pursuing fancy lovey dovey PR stuff like the card game and the merger and instation walking around instead of real gameplay boosting and bug fixing measures
Half expecting a baord game and a radio show next ( Charged for of course) then theres the lax on chronciles still waiting for the last one ( and probably mroe $$$ into the eon mag u can only find offline and in the US and europe) what about aussie players lol they wont even back publish old issues in html format for a small fee ( no idea tbh)
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Serapis Aote
TBC
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Posted - 2006.12.27 20:34:00 -
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This is a bit ridiculous.
It appears to be a straight up bugged system. I really hate beta testing features on the live server. This all should have been done on Sisi prior to release. All RP should be given back to anyone who has used it for datacores, as they are testing, not playing the game at this point.
If this is however is the intended system and not bugged, then invention seems pretty useless. A dev blog or something on the issue would be really appreciated.
Invention was a huge part of Revelations, and it seems to be a complete and total bust so far, given the testing and time since launch.
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Shu'val
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Posted - 2006.12.27 20:42:00 -
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It's a damn shame but I think a lot of manu peeps saw it coming. As always, r&d and manu has taken a back seat in the game, I can understand that CCP don't want everyone and their dog to be able to use invention, but as it stands it seems to be a waste of time, resources and a general dissapointment.
Hopefully the next kali patch will add a bit more to eve and some of the painful pre-nerfs will be reduced somewhat.
Eve seems to be on a bit of a downer atm, i'm not saying that to troll, it just seems like the current trend. I really hope CCP can snap it back and bring back the good old vibe of eve instead of the game becomming more and more like a 'random' generator
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.12.27 20:43:00 -
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Dear god ccp why should it be hard to invent ****... its already using up a lot of RP and time and the results are crappy BPCs with crappy ME and PE whereas BPO owners can research the **** out of theirs... so... why is it hard to invent crap? It will fix nothing as is and really doesnt allow people to spawn a new career for themselves (especially since you need RP... so grinding crappy research agents...)
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Mirirar
Caldari Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2006.12.27 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Darkrogue E So.... Exploration = pretty worthless Rigs = Highly Overpriced so worthless
Speak for yourself - we've found billions worth using Exploration, and have manufactured rigs for many of our members because of the exploration. It all rocks if you're clued up.
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Soporo
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Posted - 2006.12.27 22:41:00 -
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Quote: What I would like to know is why the devs refuse to comment, am i doing something wrong that they have yet to tell us, or is there really a problem with invention?
No, you are doing exactly as you are intended: Beta testing new content... |
Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
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Posted - 2006.12.27 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 27/12/2006 22:54:50 Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 27/12/2006 22:53:53
Lady Noir: Invention's broken - I only get 1 in 4 successes and 1 run BPC's from it!!!
Another Player: Why don't you try inventing from BPC's with more runs?
Lady Noir: Invention's broken - I only get 1 in 4 successes and 1 run BPC's from it!!!
Eve Developer: How many runs are you using in each of the copy bpc that you're entering into these jobs? I would tyr using max run BPC's.
Lady Noir: Invention's broken - I only get 1 in 4 successes and 1 run BPC's from it!!!
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Personally, I'll wait until all the evidence is in before I believe that only 1 run BPC's are produced.
There's a good reason why me and many others have got many, many T1 BPO's in research to max ME and PE too. I'd be very surprised if the original ME and PE don't affect the final print.
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Is there anything other than ISK you might be interested in? |
Afrodite Etnellag
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Posted - 2006.12.27 23:00:00 -
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To get accurate statistical results you have to do at least 100 tries of every combination.
even so, 25% change is not bad! invention is not a tech2 bpo, it is supposed to be expensive and a timewaste
keep trying and gather info, so far you have only 5% of the statistic info, you can't be really sure of the system (yet)
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Aeryn Davenport
Claflin Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.27 23:10:00 -
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Just to add my two cents, but I'm pretty sure it has been stated that t2 ship invention was supposed to be like the hardest kind.
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Tanis Bastar
Caldari Interstitial Incorporated
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Posted - 2006.12.27 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Afrodite Etnellag
even so, 25% change is not bad! invention is not a tech2 bpo, it is supposed to be expensive and a timewaste
Well, it sounds like it is a complete waste of ISK and time, so CCP really nailed it this time. And I beg to differ--a 25% success rate, when "success" is defined as a one-run BPC, is absolutely awful.
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xeom
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.12.27 23:26:00 -
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The ammount of time and money you will put into invention its just much easier to even mine for the isk.Id say you would make the same ammount if not more. ---
"Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
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Lady Noir
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Posted - 2006.12.28 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tommy TenKreds Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 27/12/2006 22:54:50 Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 27/12/2006 22:53:53
Lady Noir: Invention's broken - I only get 1 in 4 successes and 1 run BPC's from it!!!
Another Player: Why don't you try inventing from BPC's with more runs?
Lady Noir: Invention's broken - I only get 1 in 4 successes and 1 run BPC's from it!!!
Eve Developer: How many runs are you using in each of the copy bpc that you're entering into these jobs? I would tyr using max run BPC's.
Lady Noir: Invention's broken - I only get 1 in 4 successes and 1 run BPC's from it!!!
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Personally, I'll wait until all the evidence is in before I believe that only 1 run BPC's are produced.
There's a good reason why me and many others have got many, many T1 BPO's in research to max ME and PE too. I'd be very surprised if the original ME and PE don't affect the final print.
We've prepared for invention long ago, we've got certain ship bpc's researched VERY high, with many max run copies at the ready, but hey guess what? You can't invent those ships, they are bugged and no word from you'll be able to actually invent them.
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Shayla Etherodyne
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Posted - 2006.12.28 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Afrodite Etnellag To get accurate statistical results you have to do at least 100 tries of every combination.
even so, 25% change is not bad! invention is not a tech2 bpo, it is supposed to be expensive and a timewaste
keep trying and gather info, so far you have only 5% of the statistic info, you can't be really sure of the system (yet)
Please, before saying that 25% returns isn't bad, read the threads carefully and do a little math on what must bet the sell price to get back what was spent get the BPC.
Ladi Noir, what is the wastage factor equivalent to those -4 and -6 in ME ? A normal ship BPO has a wastage of 0,1 (10%), those BPC?
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