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Siro
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.27 17:04:00 -
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I just saw another thread locked on the subject. We're not allowed to post about exploits (for good reason). However I have seen numerous petitions and other discussions where the tactic was allowed. The reasoning usually goes something along the lines of "we can't tell people when to log in or out". I find that line of reasoning rather silly considering they can do just that if they wanted to. (and they already do: downtime, login queues, etc).
So anyway, which is it? Is logging out and in and out repeatedly after jumping/warping into a bubble something that's officially okay and okay to talk about? Or is that an exploit, ccp is working on it, and we can't talk about it?
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Omeega
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.27 17:06:00 -
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first.
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Frools
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.27 17:09:00 -
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ibtl
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northwesten
Amarr
Dark Skyes
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Posted - 2006.12.27 17:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Omeega
AAA pic
first.
Rich coming from AAA
Recruitment
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Siro
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.27 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: northwesten
Originally by: Omeega
AAA pic
first.
Rich coming from AAA
Now now, lets not sling mud. It could very well be 'allowed'. That's what I'm trying to find out here.
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maarud
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.27 17:13:00 -
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mail a GM if you want to know if something is a exploit, this thread will be locked.
Maarud.
Proudly a Ex-BYDI member |
Hast
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.27 17:17:00 -
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logging etc is discussing game mechanics and so on and really doesent belong in this forum. move that way ->
Originally by: omeega
PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
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Crimsonjade
Forsaken Empire
The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.27 17:17:00 -
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*sigh* i hate seeing such a useful and inciteful thread locked but
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Sir Howard
Gallente
SAS.
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Posted - 2006.12.27 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Howard on 27/12/2006 17:18:54
/sigh
I'm starting to wonder if all these dang threads about log offs are being made by different people or someone with alot of alts and too much time on his hands...
p.s....I should steal that gif of the dancing lock that one of the mods uses
"This is a bad idea wrapped in a horrible plan and shipped in a retarded box" |
Siro
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.27 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: maarud
mail a GM if you want to know if something is a exploit, this thread will be locked.
That's what I'm getting at... GM's have already stated in response to petitions that it is not an exploit. Yet threads are being locked for talking about it. Which doesn't make any sense if it's not an exploit.
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Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2006.12.27 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Siro
That's what I'm getting at... GM's have already stated in response to petitions that it is not an exploit. Yet threads are being locked for talking about it. Which doesn't make any sense if it's not an exploit.
Moderation doesn't have to make sense, that's why it's against the rules to talk about it.
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Sir Howard
Gallente
SAS.
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Posted - 2006.12.27 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Siro
Originally by: maarud
mail a GM if you want to know if something is a exploit, this thread will be locked.
That's what I'm getting at... GM's have already stated in response to petitions that it is not an exploit. Yet threads are being locked for talking about it. Which doesn't make any sense if it's not an exploit.
Pls note the type of forum (Corporation) your in first off...before you flip out when this gets locked.
"This is a bad idea wrapped in a horrible plan and shipped in a retarded box" |
Siro
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.27 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Howard
Originally by: Siro
Originally by: maarud
mail a GM if you want to know if something is a exploit, this thread will be locked.
That's what I'm getting at... GM's have already stated in response to petitions that it is not an exploit. Yet threads are being locked for talking about it. Which doesn't make any sense if it's not an exploit.
Pls note the type of forum (Corporation) your in first off...before you flip out when this gets locked.
That'd be fine. And if such is the case, discussion could be continued in general.
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Raymie
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Posted - 2006.12.27 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: Raymie on 27/12/2006 17:29:14
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Dragerest
Omega Enterprises
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.27 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Dragerest on 27/12/2006 17:33:24
define logoffskis for me. is that just in the bubble? or is loggofskis when a small gang get over blobbed?
For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com
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Evil Pookie
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.12.27 17:32:00 -
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I suport your war on terror! 
I have witnessed about 20 logofski's in the past 24hours. and would guess that constitutes about 30% of the people who have jumped int my bubbles in the last 24hours.
I think we should all take this opportunity to eve mail the moderators and thank them for doing such a good job. 
luv pookie
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2006.12.27 17:38:00 -
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IBTL AND I HATE THE LOGOFFSKI!
Sig Nerf - Cortes
I declare war on ISD!
You don't stand a chance  -Karl
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.27 17:43:00 -
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Exploit ofc
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.27 17:45:00 -
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It's allowed.
It's a joke, but it's allowed.
One of the big stains on this game currently.
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One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them.
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Marsha11
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2006.12.27 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
It's allowed.
It's a joke, but it's allowed.
One of the big stains on this game currently.
If its allowed then why are the threads getting locked and not being left open for discussion...?
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Sir Howard
Gallente
SAS.
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Posted - 2006.12.27 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Marsha11
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
It's allowed.
It's a joke, but it's allowed.
One of the big stains on this game currently.
If its allowed then why are the threads getting locked and not being left open for discussion...?
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..ok here you go...taken right outa the last thread you were posting in that got locked
Originally by: kublai
Fact is, CCP cannot accurately tell who crashes because of a poor computer (loading a large gang can do that you know) and who's purposly logging.
It's just too much of a grey area, just scan them down.
"This is a bad idea wrapped in a horrible plan and shipped in a retarded box" |
Ephemeral Waves
The Nine Gates
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.12.27 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Marsha11
If its allowed then why are the threads getting locked and not being left open for discussion...?
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Becuase they are in the wrong area. This is the Corp and Alliance forum. If you want to discuss game mechanics, move to that area of the forum.
Eph.
Kill Board
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Edheler
Quintessential
Continuum.
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Posted - 2006.12.27 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Howard
Originally by: Marsha11
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
It's allowed.
It's a joke, but it's allowed.
One of the big stains on this game currently.
If its allowed then why are the threads getting locked and not being left open for discussion...?
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..ok here you go...taken right outa the last thread you were posting in that got locked
Originally by: kublai
Fact is, CCP cannot accurately tell who crashes because of a poor computer (loading a large gang can do that you know) and who's purposly logging.
It's just too much of a grey area, just scan them down.
Actually, CCP could easily tell if you quit the application or logged out via the in-game mechanism if they wanted to. The game could tell the server it was shut down or logged out.
With a bit of a redesign of their communications layer they could also tell if they lost connectivity with a client. The way that they currently communicate between the client and the server is the reason they can not determine this. CCP are effectively getting a significant amount of code for "free" in their communications layer today by building on existing technologies like HTTP. This would have to be replaced to effectively deal with this problem.
I am not sure why CCP is trying to get everyone to accept that they can't do anything about the problem. The reality is that CCP has apparently decided that it is too high of a cost for them to do anything about the problem. It would be nice if they could just tell their players this bluntly. Some of us players are actually software engineers who have grappled with this exact same problem ourselves.
I personally think that it is reasonable for CCP to ignore the problem. I do however hope they decide to address it someday.
Edheler
Quintessential CEO
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.12.27 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 27/12/2006 18:26:34
It can't be an exploit to log out. Otherwise everybody with a shoddy connection would get banned.
CCP just needs to rework the flagging system so that the 15 minute aggro timer can be set by shooting the ship of somebody that has logged out.
They also need to make dictor bubbles hold ships even if the ship has logged. Mobile warp disruptors used to do this, not sure if they still do.
And here is my post regarding this topic. It was made in march of '06. Enjoy
Shamis
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Raste
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.27 20:29:00 -
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They really just need to have you stay in space, no emergency warp-off, for a couple minutes if you crash or quit. Pretty much standard for every other MMO style game.
It requires a change in philosophy on CCP's part from "we'd rather 100 asshats go free than 1 innocent man lose his pod", to "tough **** if you go LD or ctrl-q". They seem so out of touch though, or maybe its just that they have to cater to the empire mission runner style of play, that I don't see this paradigm shift occurring.
Main difference I see now vs six months ago, is that instead of select individuals doing it, you have large organizations making this accepted and standard practice.
===This is a sig===
"no matter where you are or what you're doing, you know that down in the southeast, LV and RA are trying to stab each other in the face." -- Cadiz
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Prophet Malcalypse3
Amarr
Her Golden Apple Corps
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Posted - 2006.12.27 20:50:00 -
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in beforethe lock. logoffski sucks. people logging off and warping out of bubbles suckss
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Miss Overlord
Gallente
Ferrum Pugnus
New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.12.27 20:55:00 -
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the fact this thread remains ulocked indicates that its allowed at least from what i can see on all the other threads
Now my other pet gripe 1 or 2 cloaked ships in a system that u can scan down they can sit there for hours on end and shut traffic down - CCP bring it so high end scan probers say with 30 minutes or an hour can scan down and blow up afk cloaked ships ( of course if the player is active then they can warp around to avoid detection) that isnt an issue its the lazy asshats that do it to spy and take the lazy way out that need nerfing. Would also help with lag
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.12.27 20:56:00 -
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Dont you get it? the more threads about it you start, the more people gonna use them.. simple as that - you arent helping it.
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Wicke
Gallente
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.27 21:05:00 -
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I think Howard Dean has an opinion on this matter. Perhaps we should all adopt his policy.
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Necronomicon
Caldari
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.28 00:36:00 -
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Edited by: Necronomicon on 28/12/2006 00:37:55
Did I manage to get in (btl)?
Yes, yes I did. MAIL A GM Numpty!! ;)
(Edit - Logoffski sucks, but if CCP say no foul, then dont rant, adapt)
Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
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