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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.12.27 18:16:00 -
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I had bright visions of Kali making the game more engaging for me.
-ninja mining gas clouds -smuggleing booster components -running back and forth between my research agents as they helped my get T2 BPCs -finding hidden stuff that I could profit from with astrometric
None of it has really panned out. The universe feels more static than before if any thing.
Im not a miner and Im not a pirate(although I dont mind fighting if happens along the way to profitable endevour.) There just isnt much to do it seems as a free lancer type.
Oh and the whole story line aspect(Jovians, war etc) of EVE feels like it is purposefully stalled because the devs are afraid of using it up.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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xeom
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.12.27 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: xeom on 27/12/2006 18:33:37 -ninja mining gas clouds -smuggleing booster components -running back and forth between my research agents as they helped my get T2 BPCs -finding hidden stuff that I could profit from with astrometric
ALL THESE THINGS ARE PERFECTLY FINE CCP MAKE NO MISTAKES!!!! ---
"Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
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Verus Potestas
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2006.12.27 18:36:00 -
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I haven't run across Gas Mining etc, but lowsec exploration seems perfect for a freelancer PvE type.
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy |
Paigan
Amarr Katsu Corporation Pure.
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Posted - 2006.12.27 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest None of it has really panned out.
As expected, if you ask me.
I would have been very suprised if there were REAL mentionable enhancements, f.ex. concearning 0.0 PvE vs Empire Mission Grinding. Or if drop rates made rigging really reasonable (price per rig below 5mio for T1, 50mil fpr T2) Or if inventions really were useable.
Instead, business as usual, with some minor improvements like killing the BM abuse /around 5lines of code), some new ships (a handful of new data sets plus some models) and a little balancing like with capital HP, WCS, etc. -- This game is still in beta stage |
Tachy
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Posted - 2006.12.27 18:43:00 -
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So far Kali was mostly about fighting lag (not successfull as many features have just been cut down massively) and giving more toys to alliances (partially successful).
Invention, salvaging and the new tier2/tier3 ships undid some dev decisions from a long (or not so long) time ago or are nothing more than flares.
The announced boost from Serenity didn't reach TQ yet. The massive raise in #devs didn't have any visible effect yet - past a lot of new broken faces on the forum.
The living background for EVE is as dead as 1.5 years ago. Hot air and promises are all we got.
Oh wait, we got a private buyout of a bookstore with a couple of nice licenses, an Isk-seller sponsored TV event (instead of ingame storyline advancement) and a trading card game for the time when TQ is highly instable unless the shop has one of the months where orders aren't handled in any time soon past grabbing the cash.
Happy eggnogg and spiced wine season! --*=*=*--
The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait | 2006.09.20 |
Shemar
Gallente Photesthetics Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.27 18:48:00 -
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Edited by: Shemar on 27/12/2006 18:48:24 What do you want people? To play a finsihed game? That's not how it works. On EVE you pay for the priviledge to beta test the game.
And wait until the in-station crap comes along. Then you'll be playig to beta test other games! ________________
Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision |
Verus Potestas
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2006.12.27 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Shemar Edited by: Shemar on 27/12/2006 18:48:24 What do you want people? To play a finsihed game? That's not how it works. On EVE you pay for the priviledge to beta test the game.
And wait until the in-station crap comes along. Then you'll be playig to beta test other games!
If that's what you think, why are you still here?
Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy |
Tharrn
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.12.27 18:56:00 -
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Exploration is addictive although boring. Whoever thought watching progress bars for hours is fun needs professional help.
Now recruiting!
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Harisdrop
Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Verus Potestas
Originally by: Shemar Edited by: Shemar on 27/12/2006 18:48:24 What do you want people? To play a finsihed game? That's not how it works. On EVE you pay for the priviledge to beta test the game.
And wait until the in-station crap comes along. Then you'll be playig to beta test other games!
If that's what you think, why are you still here?
Sometimes its not asking why someone is still here in forums, its why if they are soo displeased they give their money away to a company. I find the concept of whining equal to self abuse. If you think that any change that does occur thru the dev's ,as if anything a player might write, could of been done anyways. Maybe players impact the dev's not on concept but time.
I believe any event that occurs will occur if let be. If it is ment to be it will be done. Nothing in mankind's hands has any impact on life. Nothing we do will ever make the world better thru ourselves.
Concern yourself not with others shortcoming but enjoy the gift of EVE for what it is. New NPC Region |
Athren Soulsteal
Gallente Intergalaxy Salvage And Repair
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest I had bright visions of Kali making the game more engaging for me.
-ninja mining gas clouds -smuggleing booster components -running back and forth between my research agents as they helped my get T2 BPCs
Well I knew Kali was not going to be much when the did the bait and switch of Reverse Engineering to invention. Invention is such a joke and the lottey is even more so.
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-finding hidden stuff that I could profit from with astrometric
None of it has really panned out. The universe feels more static than before if any thing.
Actually I tried exploration as soon as rev (kali) went live, for 2 weeks then gave up. Now a few of my corpmates did not and since the patch have found some realy cool and profitable stuff.
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Oh and the whole story line aspect(Jovians, war etc) of EVE feels like it is purposefully stalled because the devs are afraid of using it up.
thats why i suspect they pulled RE, to save it as a carrot for later. I actualy came back to EVE only for RE after seeing the interview where the lead DEV said RE was finaly going to be released with kali. Nope, thats a carrot they have used to pull us back for 3 years.
Your right, its almost as if they never expected EVE to go on this long so never planned on having to add anything new. In six months when accounts start to drop again they will break out all the old carrots and try to pull players back. Its a sdhame they dont just carry through and then come up with actual new stuff.
Quote: Think about the people that did fight you fairly. Think.... that were honorable and helped you out in times of need. Those are the real heroes of EVE.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tachy So far Kali was mostly about fighting lag (not successfull as many features have just been cut down massively) and giving more toys to alliances (partially successful).
Invention, salvaging and the new tier2/tier3 ships undid some dev decisions from a long (or not so long) time ago or are nothing more than flares.
The announced boost from Serenity didn't reach TQ yet. The massive raise in #devs didn't have any visible effect yet - past a lot of new broken faces on the forum.
The living background for EVE is as dead as 1.5 years ago. Hot air and promises are all we got.
Oh wait, we got a private buyout of a bookstore with a couple of nice licenses, an Isk-seller sponsored TV event (instead of ingame storyline advancement) and a trading card game for the time when TQ is highly instable unless the shop has one of the months where orders aren't handled in any time soon past grabbing the cash.
Happy eggnogg and spiced wine season!
Eve-Online is great ain't it. I managed to undock yesterday!!!
Known Issues & Workarounds - The forum to fix the issues of Eve... Godhelp us if the Devs start trying to. Happy New Year.. |
Kylania
Gallente Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:21:00 -
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-ninja mining gas clouds
Yeah, no idea what happened with gas clouds, but never seen one yet.
-smuggleing booster components
Since I'm not in a 0.0 uber alliance, I'll never see the components for these and never expected to.
-running back and forth between my research agents as they helped my get T2 BPCs
I hope you mean invention instead of reseeding! But invention does seem to be wildy out of reach for most players/corps. Not to mention horribly broken.
-finding hidden stuff that I could profit from with astrometric
This however is working great! Almost nightly we've been finding really great spots with exploration. Just love it. -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap | CCG Card Lookup |
Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:25:00 -
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Exploration works fine. It is in EVE style though. Don't expect much excitement battling aliens and space cows that guard the precious gas clouds.
Invention was released pre-nerfed. Wait until it is ballanced.
Reading some comments makes me wonder why some people bother playing. Lots of bitterness and stuff... Indeed, how did artists dare to draw images for a card game when they should have been battling the lag?
You are forgetting that EVE is an open ended sandbox game. You make your own story, you set your own goals. No Jove NPC will give you quests to acquire the magic laser of +6 to battle the forces of evil with.
Join The Star Fraction. Be yourself. |
Miss Overlord
Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:29:00 -
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aye invention is a mess - rigs are slowly coming down in price.
Exploration is like watching paint dry really tho more peeps are finally reaching level 5 so having more luck
Trying to NPC or PVP in 0.0 is still a joke with cloaked scouts locking down systems for hours on end because CCP were to lazy to make it that scan probes had a very small chance of finding em.
The price of proto cloakers is still to high esp with invention being a pile of steaming messy smelling dung.
So yeah good all round no comments from the devs who are raking the cash in and yeah its all good
These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:35:00 -
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CCP won't comment, there only good for a few things
Hot Air Bold faced lies (read the dev blogs) Good story telling Turning eve into a clone of WoW Joining Whitemutt or whatever it was called so they can get there sad pathetic CCG better
They used to be great at keeping the playerbase informed... now we just get the good old SNIP from time to time.
Not a whine... it's how I see em. I'm allowed to have a view on something on here right ?
Known Issues & Workarounds - The forum to fix the issues of Eve... Godhelp us if the Devs start trying to. Happy New Year.. |
Tecam Hund
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: Tecam Hund on 27/12/2006 19:45:15
Originally by: Gone'Postal
Not a whine... it's how I see em. I'm allowed to have a view on something on here right ?
No. These forums are property of CCP. Freedom of speech, opinion, religion, and anything else is against the EULA. Can't think either, or the shovels will start popping out of the ground and hitting you in the face.
Just joking really. No offence
Yall should relax and play the game. Try other MMO if EVE seems dull. Or spend a week with your family. Simple really.
That said, General Discussion makes me mad with rage. I better go back to walking through the woods in my Star Trek uniform.
Join The Star Fraction. Be yourself. |
Tachy
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:48:00 -
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Compare the official announcements to what the devs finally implemented:
Exploration, Cosmos constellations and missions, mission revamp, POS, sovereignity, storyline arcs, S&I, planetary flight and use for planets, research/invention/reverse engineering, factional warfare, group bonus redesign and boost to leadership/cha stuff, formations, smuggling, Vivox, corp- & alliance interface, font, contracts, recon cruisers with cloak and cynofield generator, capital ships, UI redesign, balancing, forum avatars, forum session changes, pda client, dragon code, ... loads of good intentions and promises. Most of them are either still missing or the implementation is as buggy or half-done as possible. On top the different parts are cominglater and later and later and new features are implemented way faster than the old ones are fixed.
How long are many POS features broken now?
That systemwide belts are technically impossible to implement currently. The reason for the missing implementation is out of ccp's reach. That's okay. Maybe in 5 years.
Background story starts with stuff like the standing system. For an example, go and raise your Thukker Tribe standing so you can use their L4 R&D agents. Then jump into your ship and try reaching those agents with your ship intact. 1.5 years have passed since we got a promise about the change in the Thukker Tribe's standing to Republic and Cartel. The agents still send you out against system owners so you'll probably lose a ship or two at the next gate or station. The R&D agents are still in Republic and Ammatar HiSec and you lose loads of standing with both factions while you work up your way. The reson for the change is still missing. --*=*=*--
The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait | 2006.09.20 |
Darkrogue
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.27 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: Darkrogue on 27/12/2006 19:50:19 Yeah I think we all agree this patch is utter crap.
And another to add to the list. The new stars in space that was supposed to add a cool little graphical touch to the solar systems LOOKS LIKE CRAP!
Make them blink in and out like the other stars. Looks like you added this graphic touch with MS Paint FFS!
@ Kali
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Shemar
Gallente Photesthetics Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.27 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Shemar on 27/12/2006 20:14:42
Originally by: Verus Potestas
Originally by: Shemar Edited by: Shemar on 27/12/2006 18:48:24 What do you want people? To play a finsihed game? That's not how it works. On EVE you pay for the priviledge to beta test the game.
And wait until the in-station crap comes along. Then you'll be playig to beta test other games!
If that's what you think, why are you still here?
Because I have good friends. I still enjoy the social aspect of EVE, even if the actual gameplay if far inferior to a single player game.
For the record, I have no problem with EVE as a game, features-wise. My problem is releasing content that is a very far cry from ready or even rudimentaily tested, for commercial reasons. My problem is bugs that have been identified for months, yet there is no priority in fixing them, but just adding more "crowd pleasers and attractions', which end up being more 'sellling bullet points' than anything that adds to the game. My problem is finding new things broken and re-broken every time CCP fixes or releases something. ________________
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Miss Overlord
Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order
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Posted - 2006.12.27 20:14:00 -
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yes compared with some single palyer offgame games CCP is falling behind - they taken their eye off the ball with all these business fancy smancy money making ideals.
The promised featueres ( concord agents, being able to find cloaked ships in space, invention , exploration) all half implemented the sad fact tho is going on CCps history thye will push ahead with newer features and leave these half @ssed ones as is broken usless and just steam on ahead without seriously making them work.
Thats the sad fact they dont go back and fix broken things just keep shovelling piles of smelly stuff in as a good PR job
These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views
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Galataan
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Posted - 2006.12.27 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Gone'Postal
Turning eve into a clone of WoW Joining Whitemutt or whatever it was called so they can get there sad pathetic CCG better ...
Not a whine... it's how I see em. I'm allowed to have a view on something on here right ?
You're allowed to have a view, of course, but you might want to try connecting it to reality. Or at the very least pretending to be informed.
EVE as a WoW clone: Have you ever even PLAYED WoW? Seriously... Watched someone play? Seen a screenshot?
On White Wolf: The merger gives them a new outlet to develop a pretty hot property. That's a good thing. And their "crappy" CCG isn't so crappy - again, have you actually played it? It's having a hard time breaking into a hard market, but it's an outstanding CCG. I don't know that I'm hopeful for its survival, but that has nothing to do with the quality of the game.
I'm not all about CCP mind control, but seriously, when your rants are so uninformed and unrealistic, it's hard to take you seriously.
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Darkrogue
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.27 20:30:00 -
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I agree. I had high hopes for Kali. And it has been one of the largest dissapointments of the year for me.
Please CCP. Polish you new features to a usable level! FFS!
Thats means.....
1)Higher Success rate for invention.
2)Lower Rig component needs a bit further. Even if they balance at 10 million a piece, fitting 30 mil in rigs to a cruiser or the like is ludacris. Rigs should only be moderately priced. Say 3 - 10 mil depending on the rig (more for Tech II obviosly)
3)Increase drop rate of Faction Loot + Other valuable items in exploration deadspaces.
4)Put in Gas Clouds.....WOW. Kinda sad and honestly pathetic that you didn't do this already. When you sold it as a "Kali Feature".
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Harisdrop
Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.27 20:31:00 -
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The first question is always what you expect from EVE?
Does it make you want to play?
Does it give you what you pay for?
I think shortcomings get outweighed easily. Expect little and be surprised. Lets take everything that is said in the forums as tho its not based on fact but dreams. Let those that find great pleasure in finding fault to actually see no fault in themselves. Do you perform without fault in your gameplay? Does your PC allow perfection in gameplay? Why do we always jump on the CCP blame game when there are many more out there to surpass those that we find fault in.
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Tarnish Katharr
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.12.27 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn Exploration is addictive although boring. Whoever thought watching progress bars for hours is fun needs professional help.
And considering what the probes cost, its a pretty good way to relieve me of my money.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.12.27 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Galataan
Originally by: Gone'Postal [...]
You're allowed to have a view, of course, but you might want to try connecting it to reality. Or at the very least pretending to be informed.
EVE as a WoW clone: Have you ever even PLAYED WoW? Seriously... Watched someone play? Seen a screenshot?
On White Wolf: The merger gives them a new outlet to develop a pretty hot property. That's a good thing. And their "crappy" CCG isn't so crappy - again, have you actually played it? It's having a hard time breaking into a hard market, but it's an outstanding CCG. I don't know that I'm hopeful for its survival, but that has nothing to do with the quality of the game.
I'm not all about CCP mind control, but seriously, when your rants are so uninformed and unrealistic, it's hard to take you seriously.
Blizzard delivers when they promise something like improvements. ccp promises and doesn't deliver.
We read for months that dev A plays the ccg, dev b plays the ccg, dev c plays the ccg, the ccg is great, the ccg is fun ... all along with Serenity falling behind in time and Kali development ending in a lowly tech study instead of solid features. The ccg can be as much fun as anything. I could not care less here. I am paying for EVE Online, not for the ccg. And the ccg took a lot of dev time from the product I am paying money for. From the 12 or 15 game shops I visit on a kinda regular basis, not a single one has even heard of the ccg. The 'merger' might bring a change here. (Some of the shops removed WW products from their sortiment this year because the last couple of changes lead to the stuff sitting in the shelves like moldy bread.)
But all is good as long as the community manager can visit gamecons all over the world so he can write devblogs about fantastic parties while questions like 'When does the FanFest take place? You said it wont take place parallel to the Airwaves Festival and I have to tell my boss early (June at max) when I plan to take my days off.' are open for months.
The merger isn't one. It is a private buyout. It leads to a new project for devs, taking power from the mostly stopped development and fixing for EVE Online. The core development for the WoD mmog already started. Check the announcements for the contract system and what we got in the end. 'Oh, we didn't implement the bounty system.'. --*=*=*--
The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait | 2006.09.20 |
Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.12.27 23:39:00 -
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Yes I was refering to invention. I had really believed that it would allow me to get some T2 blue print copies, maybe not fast but in a way that could be worth while.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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