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Xlunax
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Posted - 2006.12.28 17:11:00 -
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I've been playing for about 4 months and would like to join a corp deep in basically uncontested alliance 0.0 space to pvp, rat and run lvl missions, but I've never been to 0.0 and don't know anything about it. I've got about 150m in implants which I gather I'll lose pretty quick, and thats ok. Thing is, I just got a 2billion worth of shield boosters/amps/hardeners. I don't mind losing them to PVE when I make a dumb mistake, but I don't want to lose them to PVP at a gate camp or mission invasion when I'm not prepared to PVP. So my question is: is most alliance controlled space (other than those contested areas) tightly controlled enough that gangs of PVP pirates are not able to sneak in to gank alliance members when they're not prepared to be ganked or is it basically safe space as long as you're a corp/alliance member? Thanks in advance for your input.
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Elisca Black
Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.28 17:13:00 -
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The fact that you have that much money makes me sad :(.
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.28 17:14:00 -
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Press enter from now and then
Anyway, 0.0 space is as safe as you contribute to it, meaning don't expect to sit back and rat/mine to your hearts content without helping in your region's defence
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ScoRpS
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.12.28 17:16:00 -
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u cant have an uncotested alliance and pvp, goes hand in hand. U maybe better off seeking an alliance that borders 0.0 with some empire ops on the go also so u can take it easy and learn the ropes before u commit ur assets to said alliance.
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.12.28 17:26:00 -
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In 0.0, always be prepared for pvp. There are always hostile roaming gangs in any alliance space. so the answer to your question is no.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.28 17:27:00 -
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This is why you don't fly ships fitted with 2 billion ISK worth in 0.0.
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Xlunax
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Posted - 2006.12.28 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: ScoRpS u cant have an uncotested alliance and pvp, goes hand in hand. U maybe better off seeking an alliance that borders 0.0 with some empire ops on the go also so u can take it easy and learn the ropes before u commit ur assets to said alliance.
Are you saying that there is alliance space where no pvp goes on?
Also, since I have no mining/industrial skills (I'm all electronics/engineering/missiles/drones/BS skills) how would I be able to contribute to a 0.0 corp alliance if there is minimal PVP? ....and of course I'm prepared to defend alliance space if the need arises.
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Herculite
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.12.28 17:30:00 -
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A 4 month old character with 2 billion in mods?
I hope this is some kind of joke post where we are all suppose to invite you to get ganked somewhere and all have a laugh when it turns out you are an old player.
But assuming its not, there isn't a single system in 0.0 that is safe 100% of the time. Not many have the funds to be flying mult-billion isk ships (outside of capitals) anywhere in 0.0, as sooner or later even the best pvper/master of the logoffski will get ganked/not hit ctrl-q fast enough.
Once you get a feel for it, (maybe, some never do) you will be 'mostly' safe, but you have to be expecting pvp at any moment.
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Xlunax
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Posted - 2006.12.28 17:36:00 -
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I'm really only 4 months old....and you guys are turning me into a carebear...its all your fault. I'm gonna go hide in me 1.0 station and never come out again...with both hands on ctrl-q, just-in-case
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Resipsa Loquitor
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.28 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Resipsa Loquitor on 28/12/2006 17:47:45
Originally by: Herculite A 4 month old character with 2 billion in mods?
I hope this is some kind of joke post where we are all suppose to invite you to get ganked somewhere and all have a laugh when it turns out you are an old player.
But assuming its not, there isn't a single system in 0.0 that is safe 100% of the time. Not many have the funds to be flying mult-billion isk ships (outside of capitals) anywhere in 0.0, as sooner or later even the best pvper/master of the logoffski will get ganked/not hit ctrl-q fast enough.
Once you get a feel for it, (maybe, some never do) you will be 'mostly' safe, but you have to be expecting pvp at any moment.
Herc always beats me to it!!!!
Every gate jump in 0 can be met with a camp on the other side that you or someone else didn't know about. A few days ago I jumped into a hostile gang of 26 ships sitting on the gate I just jumped through - obviously moving in the other direction but saw the gate fire. Overview lit up red and they said "boo!" in local. Spooky, indeed. Small teams can move very quickly and quietly in 0. Capital ships can be cynoed in a moment's notice. Traps can be prepared hours - even days - in advance.
"Don't fly what you can't afford to lose." Not only does that saying mean isk-wise, but also the ability to rapidly replace and use again in the same theater. You might have billions, but if you're stranded in deep 0, where are you going to get that replacement ship? If it ain't on the market, it ain't there. You're rich, in a pod, and not able to do anything except float around in an egg. Best to invest in several ships - pre-fitted - and available for immediate use.
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Karl Shade
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.28 17:45:00 -
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1. Forget consensual pvp. Always be prepared for it.
2. Leave the 150mil clone in empire unless you plan on pvping in it.
3. 0.0 varies, some systems are safer than others, all are subject to roving gangs though.
4. if you keep to some minor safety procedures, roving gangs are not a problem.
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Alski
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.28 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Alski on 28/12/2006 17:48:40
Originally by: Xlunax Edited by: Xlunax on 28/12/2006 17:31:57
Originally by: ScoRpS u cant have an uncotested alliance and pvp, goes hand in hand. U maybe better off seeking an alliance that borders 0.0 with some empire ops on the go also so u can take it easy and learn the ropes before u commit ur assets to said alliance.
Are you saying that there is alliance space where no pvp goes on?
Also, since I have no mining/industrial skills (I'm all electronics/engineering/missiles/drones/BS skills) how would I be able to contribute to a 0.0 corp alliance if there is minimal PVP? ....and of course I'm prepared to defend alliance space if the need arises.
No, ScoRpS’s reply was a little misleading, even alliances that are in uncontested space have to deal with routine gatecamps, roving hostile gangs, pirates, unfriendly alliances and neutrals.
The entire North is basically “NAPland” right now (NAP = non aggression pact) but even so Freelancer has many non-NAPed, and non-allied alliances in its list, and we constantly have to deal with all the forms of PvP listed above and more... (20 man interceptor wolfpacks for example )
I would highly recommend leaving the uber-fancy loot at home, and return to it using a jump clone when you wanna run lvl 4 missions or whatever, get comfortable with the new tactics, setups, area of space, and your new fleet commanders first before you start chucking in the piles of T2. -
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Xlunax
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Posted - 2006.12.28 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Xlunax on 28/12/2006 17:50:52 Every gate jump in 0 can be met with a camp on the other side that you or someone else didn't know about. Small teams can move very quickly and quietly in 0. Capital ships can be cynoed in a moment's notice. Traps can be prepared hours - even days - in advance.
"Don't fly what you can't afford to lose." Not only does that saying mean isk-wise, but also the ability to rapidly replace and use again. You might have billions, but if you're stranded in deep 0, where are you going to get that replacement ship? If it ain't on the market, it ain't there. You're rich, in a pod, and not able to do anything except float around in an egg. Best to invest in several ships - pre-fitted - and available for immediate use.
This infers that those flying capital ships can afford to lose them. How is this possible? Loss of a capital ship seems like a huge setback IMHO......and I'll take the advice and leave the uberloot at home.
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Resipsa Loquitor
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.28 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Xlunax This infers that those flying capital ships can afford to lose them. How is this possible? Loss of a capital ship seems like a huge setback IMHO.
Didn't say they can afford to lose them. Most probably can't. It is still a devistating and relatively (in the grand scheme of all losses in Eve) rare thing to lose a capital ship. However, the rule applies and you only have yourself to blame if you somehow lose it.
Biggest impediment for me becoming a capital pilot: I try to follow the rule.
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Dimitri Chandler
Gallente Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.28 17:57:00 -
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If you want consensual PVP, I suggest Guild Wars.
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.12.28 18:39:00 -
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I always find it amusing how people in empire think they need awesome ship/mod/implants and/or masses of combat sp to do anything in 0.0. No-one needs that stuff to PvE if they have half a clue and in PvP you risk it all on chance anyway (or on tactics/intel of your gang). As for is there "safe" alliance space, no there isn't. If i had that isk worth of mods i would sell them and use the isk to fit a whole load of basically as usefull ships. (You can fit 5 very nice t2/faction bs for 2 bil, or a whole bunch of very usefull t2 frigs) That way you would need to be unlucky/stupid many times to lose it all and as i have said the cheaper set ups will do the same job in almost every situation. Some people do use these uber setups out in 0.0 of course but they are usually highly experienced and often very very rich
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Kreul Intentions
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.12.28 19:01:00 -
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Moving thread, started without the correct information showing this forum.
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EPSILON DELTA
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Posted - 2006.12.28 19:45:00 -
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I flew into 0.0 in a destroyer at 2 month, flew 10 jumps back in a pod, and this is before warp to 0km. 0.0 is not as dangerous as you think, as long as you have a brain, checks the map and local, and never use autopilot. oh and some scanning skill helps too.
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freddy bloggs
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Posted - 2006.12.28 20:18:00 -
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rule 1 applys here..
Dont fly a ship you carnt aford to lose
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James Saumerez
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Posted - 2006.12.28 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Xlunax I've been playing for about 4 months
Just getting to the point where you can start making reasonable sums of money. Good for you.
Originally by: Xlunax [I've got about 150m in implants
Hmmmmmmm....
Originally by: Xlunax and thats ok.
Really?
Originally by: Xlunax I just got a 2 billion worth of shield boosters/amps/hardeners.
Un-motherfrikkin-believable.
Originally by: Xlunax I don't mind losing them to PVE when I make a dumb mistake,
I guess as long as you've got your debit card handy you can always get more isk!
Originally by: Xlunax but I don't want to lose them to PVP at a gate camp or mission invasion when I'm not prepared to PVP.
Yea, we'd hate to see players who actually "play the game" interfere with your cheating.
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NereSky
Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.28 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: NereSky on 28/12/2006 20:27:37 4 months old , 2billion, no mining skills and never been to 0.0
yell me how u do it, it took me 4 months to fet my first mill, (i must be doing summat wrong )
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Soporo
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Posted - 2006.12.28 20:57:00 -
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Get Jump Clones skill. Fly to ISS space.(in a shuttle or frig) Install Clone. Fly back. Jump clone to 0.0. Use excessive money to purchase ships and mods. Watch Local and fly around shooting pirates. Fun.
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Eralus
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Posted - 2006.12.28 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: James Saumerez
Originally by: Xlunax I just got a 2 billion worth of shield boosters/amps/hardeners.
Un-motherfrikkin-believable.
Let's say you take a month to get on your feet, that's 2 bil in 90 days. That's only 22 mil a day. That's pretty easy to do. _____ Lifewire is a big, ugly, mean... carebear. |
The Socialworker
Minmatar The Socialworkers
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Posted - 2006.12.28 21:28:00 -
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In threads where bils of isk are mentioned there always seems to be at least one who shouts 'cheating isky buyer'. Who is more likley to be buying isk? the relatively rich or the player who can't even imagine how you could make billions without cheating?
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Inbred Jeb
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Posted - 2006.12.28 21:34:00 -
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Oh....I also happen to agree with James. Theres no freaking way thats true. Not in 4 months, w/o ebay.
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Abye
Caldari UNITED STARS ORGANISATION
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Posted - 2006.12.28 21:45:00 -
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- You can fly a Frigate *check* - You can Web and Warp Scramble *check*
You are useful in pvp.
0.0 is more about teamwork, if you want to solo expect to die a lot.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2006.12.28 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Xlunax I've been playing for about 4 months and would like to join a corp deep in basically uncontested alliance 0.0 space to pvp, rat and run lvl missions, but I've never been to 0.0 and don't know anything about it. I've got about 150m in implants which I gather I'll lose pretty quick, and thats ok. Thing is, I just got a 2billion worth of shield boosters/amps/hardeners. I don't mind losing them to PVE when I make a dumb mistake, but I don't want to lose them to PVP at a gate camp or mission invasion when I'm not prepared to PVP. So my question is: is most alliance controlled space (other than those contested areas) tightly controlled enough that gangs of PVP pirates are not able to sneak in to gank alliance members when they're not prepared to be ganked or is it basically safe space as long as you're a corp/alliance member? Thanks in advance for your input.
Moved from Corp,Alliance and Organization Discussion forum - Kreul Intentions
1. Theres very few NPC stations in deep space. Its mostly player owned. which means you can loose it. 2. At four months you will be hard at killing the rats in deep space. Possibly, yes, but hard. Specially seeing it took me 3-4 months to control a battleship relatively well 3. Deep space = nonconsensual PvP 4. As a former CEO of mine said "Those implants are doomed" Believe me, they are. unless you run and hide all the time. 5. you have a shield booster to 2 bill isk...how you got one is beyond my imagination, seeing you cant run level 4 agents properly at 4 months. 6. ASCN have been one of the most secure deep space areas for "ages" but even they have pirates roaming their space all the time. There aint NO safe space in Deep Space 7. Your lack of Knowledge makes me cringe. How you could have got this much money to afford to spend on a single booster and still dont know as elementary things as deep space = pvp makes me cry. ANd even before you can run a battleship properly...
Well...
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The Socialworker
Minmatar The Socialworkers
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Posted - 2006.12.28 21:55:00 -
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I don't know if you have ever applied yourself exclusively to making isk, but I have at times, and that looks like well within ballpark to me. Considering that there was a major patch recentley as well, when smart traders made big isk, well, np really , maybe even a bit of a slacker ;) (he's gotta be clueless about how to fit a ship though)
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Inbred Jeb
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Posted - 2006.12.28 21:59:00 -
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Yea I guess its possible in his 4 months that he scammed someone with a CNR on escrow that was actually 1 unit of tritanium.
Sure he did
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The Socialworker
Minmatar The Socialworkers
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Posted - 2006.12.28 22:22:00 -
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Not sure if the sarcasm is aimed at me there Inbred or not? Maybe he scammed it, but i would guess you could make 2 bil trading many times over before you managed to luck into a drunk rich fool on an escrow scam. On second thoughts maybe the sarcasm wasn't aimed at me.
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