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MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
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Posted - 2015.10.24 13:51:07 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Quote:Your intent is rarely clear. Quote:Get rid of NPC poasting alt non-entities. I think that's pretty clear, and, in the context of this thread, that's all I'm saying. Quote:Nevertheless I don't see a difference between setting up a shell corp and putting your alts in there, like you and I have, and people who are too lazy to move their alt from the NPC corp. Why do you call it a shell corporation? It's the one I'm in - there's no other for me, and it's at least as functional as yours. There's no distinction. The fact that you can't see that there's a difference between people belonging to a corp that provides blanket protection against conventional retribution tactics, and, on the other hand, people belonging to one which people can freely declare war against speaks volumes. In the former, there are no consequences, and as such people can post whatever inane **** they like, with the only comeback being a possible vacation from the forums - in the latter, what they say may actually affect what happens to them in-game. Quote:I am not obsessed with you, the level of free information about every character in this game is nauseating.
In my opinion, following someone around on the forums and posting the exact same thing after they do is creepy. It's stalkerish.
Probably not any more than war-dec'ing them in game for something they posted on a forum.
I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8869
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Posted - 2015.10.24 13:53:15 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote: @BumbleFck: Your intent wasn't clear. I know what you said but the Intent of why you said it is anything but clear. Either you are ignorant to the fact that hiding in a Corp like mine, or a NPC corp is the same thing, false sense of anonymity; or you understand that and you want to remove NPC corp parking for a different, more sinister reason.
I'm being quite transparent here; remove NPC alt posting (as in CAOD), and restore the link between what you say and accountability. I don't know why you think that this is a sinister move - a game like EVE is built on consequences. Why should the forums be any different?
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2319
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Posted - 2015.10.24 14:01:02 -
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Bumblefck wrote:...remove NPC alt posting ... Then you need to remove all alts. By the same token, no hiding behind a forum alt - then no hiding behind a trading alt or a ganking alt or a scouting alt or a spying alt or a ratting alt or a mining alt or an incursion alt or a worm hole alt ... et cetera.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8869
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Posted - 2015.10.24 14:10:05 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Bumblefck wrote:...remove NPC alt posting ... Then you need to remove all alts. By the same token, no hiding behind a forum alt - then no hiding behind a trading alt or a ganking alt or a scouting alt or a spying alt or a ratting alt or a mining alt or an incursion alt or a worm hole alt ... et cetera.
That is also a reasonable argument, if we're going down the road to extremes, but the qualitative difference between the two is that any character currently logged in to the game (assuming they're not docked up, that is) can be struck at or otherwise fully interacted with. For example, if I was running scams in Jita, and I ripped off a poor mark, and he got upset and swore vengeance, assuming I undocked at some point it's very conceivable he could blow me up (with or without a war declaration).
If I'm hiding in an NPC corp, on the other hand, and I posted something here and it got someone riled up, there's little they could do but rage about it on the forums. If they're in a regular corp, actions in the forum could be translated to actions in game.
Presumably this is one of the reasons why CCP made it so in CAOD.
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2319
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Posted - 2015.10.24 14:29:29 -
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Bumblefck wrote:... For example, if I was running scams in Jita, and I ripped off a poor mark, and he got upset and swore vengeance, assuming I undocked at some point .... Why would a scam alt undock? Even if it did undock, the rookie ship kill and being Concorded wouldn't be very satisfying.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9459
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Posted - 2015.10.24 14:43:45 -
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Space Frog wrote:In order to revive the game where people would pay to play and not pay to win, which elements would CCP need to remodel / rebalance? Or maybe to ask the question this way, what else would you like CCP to introduce into EVE which would keep the player base stable and rising, rather then dying?
At its most basic, all CCP needs to do is supply us with a sandbox with as few rules as needed to supply a bit of balance.
It's up to us to create the content that decides whether the game lives or dies. It's our game to screw up as we see fit. And it's our game to revive, if we're even capable as EVE players, of looking beyond our own selfish play styles and seeing the big picture.
It's certainly been interesting over the years to watch this game go form "Good fight mate", to "HAHAHA I ****** you up good, loser GTFO".
We have only ourselves to blame for the state of the game. No one else.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2015.10.24 16:24:01 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Space Frog wrote:In order to revive the game where people would pay to play and not pay to win, which elements would CCP need to remodel / rebalance? Or maybe to ask the question this way, what else would you like CCP to introduce into EVE which would keep the player base stable and rising, rather then dying?
At its most basic, all CCP needs to do is supply us with a sandbox with as few rules as needed to supply a bit of balance. It's up to us to create the content that decides whether the game lives or dies. It's our game to screw up as we see fit. And it's our game to revive, if we're even capable as EVE players of looking beyond our own selfish play styles and seeing the big picture. It's certainly been interesting over the years to watch this game go from "Good fight mate", to "HAHAHA I ****** you up good, loser GTFO". We have only ourselves to blame for the state of the game. No one else. Mr Epeen
Sounds like a good deal for CCP all they need to do is let us make their game a success.
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Divine Entervention
Rational Chaos Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic
737
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Posted - 2015.10.24 16:38:56 -
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Accountability.
Yes, lets make it so you're only allowed to post on the forums if your facebook account is linked and verified to have your name on face book matching the credit card used when creating/paying for your eve sub.
That way we can ensure that we can hold the person responsible for the things they say on these forums.
Not just their characters, but their actual person. Way too often people on these forums get away with things that they would not attempt if their true identities were at stake.
#manmode |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
677
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Posted - 2015.10.24 16:42:38 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Accountability.
Yes, lets make it so you're only allowed to post on the forums if your facebook account is linked and verified to have your name on face book matching the credit card used when creating/paying for your eve sub.
That way we can ensure that we can hold the person responsible for the things they say on these forums.
Not just their characters, but their actual person. Way too often people on these forums get away with things that they would not attempt if their true identities were at stake.
#manmode
Given the recent phenomena of out of game real life threats to Eve Players the very last thing we ever need in this game is our real Facebook profiles attached to our mains or alts.
-7 for a terrible Fing idea.
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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Divine Entervention
Rational Chaos Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic
737
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Posted - 2015.10.24 16:43:50 -
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you're just scared you'll be held accountable for your actions.
Play EvE in hardcore mode.
Stop hiding behind anonymity and accept responsibility for what you say and do.
#manmode |
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
678
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Posted - 2015.10.24 16:46:26 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:you're just scared you'll be held accountable for your actions.
Play EvE in hardcore mode.
Stop hiding behind anonymity and accept responsibility for what you say and do.
#manmode
Not scared at all, given who I actually work for in real life I do not have a facebook account anyways. That is not the point, the point is meta gaming has already been taken to a whole new level... Don't give a knife to a serial killer.
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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Divine Entervention
Rational Chaos Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic
737
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Posted - 2015.10.24 16:48:51 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:you're just scared you'll be held accountable for your actions.
Play EvE in hardcore mode.
Stop hiding behind anonymity and accept responsibility for what you say and do.
#manmode Not scared at all, given who I actually work for in real life I do not have a facebook account anyways. That is not the point, the point is meta gaming has already been taken to a whole new level... Don't give a knife to a serial killer.
Why would you assume this game's player base would resort to threatening physical violence for disagreements had online?
Do you not trust us? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9463
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Posted - 2015.10.24 16:50:00 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Accountability.
Yes, lets make it so you're only allowed to post on the forums if your facebook account is linked and verified to have your name on face book matching the credit card used when creating/paying for your eve sub.
That way we can ensure that we can hold the person responsible for the things they say on these forums.
Not just their characters, but their actual person. Way too often people on these forums get away with things that they would not attempt if their true identities were at stake.
#manmode
People still Facebook?
There's far too much stupid in the world.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
678
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Posted - 2015.10.24 16:51:01 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Market McSelling Alt wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:you're just scared you'll be held accountable for your actions.
Play EvE in hardcore mode.
Stop hiding behind anonymity and accept responsibility for what you say and do.
#manmode Not scared at all, given who I actually work for in real life I do not have a facebook account anyways. That is not the point, the point is meta gaming has already been taken to a whole new level... Don't give a knife to a serial killer. Why would you assume this game's player base would resort to threatening physical violence for disagreements had online? Do you not trust us?
I don't have to assume anything. How uninformed you are.
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
8876
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Posted - 2015.10.24 18:15:50 -
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MeestaPenni wrote: Probably not any more than war-dec'ing them in game for something they posted on a forum.
Wars have started many a time because of smack in local. Why should it be different for the forums?
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CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.[/b]
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Divine Entervention
Rational Chaos Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic
738
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Posted - 2015.10.24 19:07:59 -
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Back to actual content,
How cool would it be if you could fly around a Bustard with 180km ship hangar that cloaks when you swap into your procurer or moa that you keep inside?
We need space RV's so I can set up camp wherever, whenever. |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
678
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Posted - 2015.10.24 20:22:49 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Back to actual content,
How cool would it be if you could fly around a Bustard with 180km ship hangar that cloaks when you swap into your procurer or moa that you keep inside?
We need space RV's so I can set up camp wherever, whenever.
You mean an Orca? Yeah we should have Orcas in game. Minus the cloaking when you abandon it... that idea is funny.
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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Divine Entervention
Rational Chaos Inc. Phoebe Freeport Republic
738
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Posted - 2015.10.24 21:48:04 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Back to actual content,
How cool would it be if you could fly around a Bustard with 180km ship hangar that cloaks when you swap into your procurer or moa that you keep inside?
We need space RV's so I can set up camp wherever, whenever. You mean an Orca? Yeah we should have Orcas in game. Minus the cloaking when you abandon it... that idea is funny.
An orca doesn't really work because it's geared towards multiple people.
Orca pilot lets others store ships inside, other people come and take the ships whenever, but that orca pilot is stuck to the orca if he's going to keep it out in space not in a pos. If he ejects from that orca to jump into his Cruiser to go kill belt rats or run sites, then the orca is fair game to be scanned down and stolen.
I'm talking an orca-esque ship that can deploy into a mini pos. When it's deployed it follow's POS rules for being destroyed, except a substantially smaller reinforce timer, like 15-30 minutes to allow the owning pilot to return and figure out how the hell he's going to defend it.
Something for the solo player. The wanderer. The drifter. The guy who flys from system to system just trying to make his way in the world, err in the space. The equivalent of a guy driving around the country in his Winnebago hooked up with a trailer he keeps his ATV's on. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
2319
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Posted - 2015.10.24 23:13:15 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Accountability.
Yes, lets make it so you're only allowed to post on the forums if your facebook account is linked and verified to have your name on face book matching the credit card used when creating/paying for your eve sub. That way we can ensure that we can hold the person responsible for the things they say on these forums.
Not just their characters, but their actual person. Way too often people on these forums get away with things that they would not attempt if their true identities were at stake. #manmode I would go to a community gathering like Evesterdam, Fanfest, etc dressed as a hooker before I would make a Farcebook account.
You advocated an inane garbage site and use hash tags? Man mode? Teen girl mode.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
328
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Posted - 2015.10.24 23:37:22 -
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Darn. I'm not "edgey".
I have a Facebook account.
I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
679
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Posted - 2015.10.25 01:59:16 -
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MeestaPenni wrote:Darn. I'm not "edgey".
I have a Facebook account.
No no no, the one you made to get on Tinder doesn't count
Best description of Eve Online and why the community is the way it is
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Lord Connir
Amrep Research and Production Primal Ascendancy
0
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Posted - 2015.10.25 02:08:07 -
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id say ccp needs to stop givng away free stuff to gambleing sites like iwantisk.com they can give these sites free stuff but not the reg. players |
Dror
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2015.10.25 13:48:24 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Space Frog wrote:In order to revive the game where people would pay to play and not pay to win, which elements would CCP need to remodel / rebalance? Or maybe to ask the question this way, what else would you like CCP to introduce into EVE which would keep the player base stable and rising, rather then dying?
At its most basic, all CCP needs to do is supply us with a sandbox with as few rules as needed to supply a bit of balance. It's up to us to create the content that decides whether the game lives or dies. It's our game to screw up as we see fit. And it's our game to revive, if we're even capable as EVE players of looking beyond our own selfish play styles and seeing the big picture. It's certainly been interesting over the years to watch this game go from "Good fight mate", to "HAHAHA I ****** you up good, loser GTFO". We have only ourselves to blame for the state of the game. No one else. Mr Epeen QFT; and in the spirit of this post, it's worth mentioning SP as a major content problem for fresh subs, including the referrals of both newbies and veterans.
I've written a whole post on it here, cited multiple (established) theories and relevant research, and contrasted them to critiques through the thread.
Enjoy.
"SP is helpful for the game?" Here's all of the research on motivation -- it says the opposite! What purpose does it serve, then? Starter corps are non-competitive. Sov is unchallenged. "Fix sov!" you say? Remove SP.
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Martin Corwin
Gallente Expatriates
42
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Posted - 2015.10.25 15:33:33 -
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Space Frog wrote:In order to revive the game where people would pay to play and not pay to win, which elements would CCP need to remodel / rebalance?
Force a player <-> character relation of 1:1. Remove the ability to trade characters and skillpoints. |
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