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Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
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Posted - 2015.10.27 23:52:38 -
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Just reported from the EVE Vegas Fanfest.
How would you like a busy, vibrant, and realistic Eve where NPCs and players interact in a logical way that fits in with the lore of New Eden? How would you like to fly Drifter battleship or capital craft? CCP Affinity led a small but passionate group of players in a roundtable discussion on Sunday, which focused on one of the most notorious parts of Eve Online: the Player versus Environment experience. After requesting that no recordings of the discussion be made, players in attendance were treated to a sneak peek at what CCP would like to do with one of the largest aspects of the game, and how this is going to make not just changes to PvE, but the entirety of how you interact with the game.
Full story here:
https://www.themittani.com/features/huge-changes-coming-drifters-standings-and-more
"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
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Romvex
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.10.27 23:58:55 -
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I've always thought it would be cool if (hear me out on this) NPCs were eventually coded to be almost indistinguishable from players, with EWAR affecting them normally, and needing to be pointed or they would escape, etc., eliminating the difference between PVE and PVP fittings. Missions, sites and other PVE would procedurally escalate based on how many players were present in the area, with random chance at unique spawns. Also the idea of roaming and dangerous groups of NPCs would fit into this perfectly. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2015.10.28 00:31:32 -
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Round-table Discussion Gëá Huge Changes Coming
Dev Blog = Coming, maybe.
Patch Notes = Arrived. |
Portmanteau
oooh ponies
149
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Posted - 2015.10.28 00:50:36 -
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LMFAO @ NPC hauling |
unidenify
Plundering Penguins Solyaris Chtonium
153
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Posted - 2015.10.28 00:57:43 -
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interesting read
if majority of what is on article go live. PVE would be more interesting |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
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Posted - 2015.10.28 03:55:17 -
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Tribute!!
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2015.10.28 08:53:53 -
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Before any dynamic missions they need to make NPC's created dynamically. As long as players can read exact NPC stats off a site, it's still going to feel stale. NPC's need to just become 'Sansha Battleship' 'Nightmare' with no idea about what they are fitted with, and then have a bunch of sensible fits they build together in a kitset fashion 'Take 1 piece guns, add one piece utility high slots, take one tank option, fill remaining slots' |
roberts dragon
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.28 09:16:31 -
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the planned changes will only benefit the game after all the bulk of the game play is actually pve even the career missions all are pve missions . so with the planned changes I look forward to more to do . |
Kooshti
Bargain Booze
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Posted - 2015.10.28 09:27:38 -
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roberts dragon wrote:the planned changes will only benefit the game after all the bulk of the game play is actually pve even the career missions all are pve missions . so with the planned changes I look forward to more to do .
What?
this thread is redundant, if you look on the first page there is already a thread for this
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=452647&find=unread |
Captain Awkward
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.10.28 09:30:22 -
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So bountys and deadspace / faction loot and mission LP is not enough incentive to log in ?
Do we realy need Daily Quests in EvE ? And what would they offer ? More ISK ? LP ? Deadspace loot ? Is that going to bring people online if the original reward for doing the things you can do in EvE is not enough ?
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Eternal Bob
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.10.28 09:37:20 -
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Oh look, another TMC link bot |
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope Gallente Federation
501
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Posted - 2015.10.28 11:33:23 -
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Eternal Bob wrote:Oh look, another TMC link bot No OP is just a reddit r/eve bot.
He is a total loser than cant get any likes on his own or create any good quality posts so he literally just posts links to reddit stories.
He is a total tool and prpb a super loser irl. |
Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.10.28 12:26:41 -
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Captain Awkward wrote:So bountys and deadspace / faction loot and mission LP is not enough incentive to log in ?
Do we realy need Daily Quests in EvE ? And what would they offer ? More ISK ? LP ? Deadspace loot ? Is that going to bring people online if the original reward for doing the things you can do in EvE is not enough ?
The obvious answer is no. If people don't like PVE now, a few more isk ain't going to make any difference.
EvE is so packed full of rewards it's not funny, I've personally witnessed a guy (doing high sec incursions) go from flying my loaned Maelstrom and zero isk to a deadspace fit Machariel in 3 days. You can litterally do DED 10/10s in MJD fit Battlecrusiers in null, you can bank serious wealth using nothing but frig sized ship in Faction Warfare and with a frig heavy set up doing burner missions in high, low and npc null.
Let me say it again, FRIGS and BATTLECRUSIERS. The barrier to earning wealth in EVE is lower than ever in EVE and CCP i still making yet more frig sized money making ships like that new Ice Miner. And yet somehow someone at CCP thinks the game needs a system that will stuff yet more wealth into the pockets of people who already have too much.
If anything, CCP should be nerfing rewards to make them worthwhile and to make the in game currency worthwhile again. Last night I pulled 800mil worth of loot out of a single Angel 10/10. 800mil is nice but it ain't 2011 nice lol. Isk is fast starting to resemble this real life currency lol/
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Kooshti
Bargain Booze
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Posted - 2015.10.28 13:28:01 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Captain Awkward wrote:So bountys and deadspace / faction loot and mission LP is not enough incentive to log in ?
Do we realy need Daily Quests in EvE ? And what would they offer ? More ISK ? LP ? Deadspace loot ? Is that going to bring people online if the original reward for doing the things you can do in EvE is not enough ?
The obvious answer is no. If people don't like PVE now, a few more isk ain't going to make any difference. EvE is so packed full of rewards it's not funny, I've personally witnessed a guy (doing high sec incursions) go from flying my loaned Maelstrom and zero isk to a deadspace fit Machariel in 3 days. You can litterally do DED 10/10s in MJD fit Battlecrusiers in null, you can bank serious wealth using nothing but frig sized ship in Faction Warfare and with a frig heavy set up doing burner missions in high, low and npc null. Let me say it again, FRIGS and BATTLECRUSIERS. The barrier to earning wealth in EVE is lower than ever in EVE and CCP i still making yet more frig sized money making ships like that new Ice Miner. And yet somehow someone at CCP thinks the game needs a system that will stuff yet more wealth into the pockets of people who already have too much. If anything, CCP should be nerfing rewards to make them worthwhile and to make the in game currency worthwhile again. Last night I pulled 800mil worth of loot out of a single Angel 10/10. 800mil is nice but it ain't 2011 nice lol. Isk is fast starting to resemble this real life currency lol/
#iskislyfe
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Pryce Caesar
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.10.28 14:35:50 -
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It seems that one of my desires for the game has come true: in the future, the Drifters could become a race with playable ships.
Now to eagerly await the day when that will come. They are even being given a full line-up of ships that includes Capitals, so perhaps a Drifter Titan isn't just a dream either. |
Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2015.10.28 14:55:05 -
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Quote:The only part of the NPC versus player interaction that will not see the Tribute system are COSMOS sites and Landmarks, because according to CCP Affinity, nobody runs those anyway. I wonder, why? /s Maybe because we can run COSMOS only once per character, loot was nerfed to oblivion, rewards are mediocre and no one bothered to fix this? |
Romvex
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.10.28 18:11:21 -
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Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:Eternal Bob wrote:Oh look, another TMC link bot No OP is just a reddit r/eve bot. He is a total loser than cant get any likes on his own or create any good quality posts so he literally just posts links to reddit stories. He is a total tool and prpb a super loser irl. i honestly cant tell if your serious or not anymore |
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
522
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Posted - 2015.10.28 18:39:57 -
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Was a second thread on the subject really needed? First thread.
Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format.
Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
1951
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Posted - 2015.10.28 19:13:55 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:Quote:The only part of the NPC versus player interaction that will not see the Tribute system are COSMOS sites and Landmarks, because according to CCP Affinity, nobody runs those anyway. I wonder, why? /s Maybe because we can run COSMOS only once per character, loot was nerfed to oblivion, rewards are mediocre and no one bothered to fix this? Oh and standings don't really matter anymore either!
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Amateratsu
The Pegasus Project
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Posted - 2015.10.28 19:18:33 -
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.10.28 19:34:45 -
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Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
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Posted - 2015.10.28 19:43:41 -
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Well played Sir!
"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
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Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
366
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Posted - 2015.10.28 19:54:04 -
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Thank God ! In February, end with subscription, and I do not see "drifters" to which you can raise the relationship. Thank you Falcon. Now the whole story of Eve will depend on the "drifters". Very very interesting, bravo.
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon "that helped to quit EVE"
Grand Empress Jamyl Sarum YC110
Empress capsuleer.
CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum.
This character will die February 6, 2016 17:54 UTC.
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Vollhov
Senators of Eridan Red Alliance
367
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Posted - 2015.10.28 20:10:44 -
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I implore you to return the management CCP those people who have come up with such characters as the Neth, Jamyl, Foiritan. Behind these characters it was interesting to watch, but not for iron ass. http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss224/ElsaHeartly/Leaders_1920x1200.jpg
Thanks you -í-íP Falcon "that helped to quit EVE"
Grand Empress Jamyl Sarum YC110
Empress capsuleer.
CCP can never come up with such a character as Jamyl Sarum.
This character will die February 6, 2016 17:54 UTC.
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Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
406
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Posted - 2015.10.28 21:02:24 -
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CSM member Sugar Kyle posted an excellent blog documenting specific Q&As from the EVE Vegas Fanfest PVE session discussing potential changes ahead.
http://www.lowseclifestyle.com/2015/10/eve-vegas-2015-pve-round-table.html
"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
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Dirk Magnum
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
504
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Posted - 2015.10.29 11:24:59 -
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Some of these changes sound great, some sound bad, and flyable drifter ships will be the latest bit of powercreeping bullcrap that the game doesn't need.
I hope they pull off the PvE changes, I really do, because it's something that all but the most credit cardy of players have to engage with eventually. In the meantime I'll pretend like it isn't the same vapor ware we've been hearing about since they released the sleepers and said "eventually" they'll be updating all the NPCs to behave with more complexity. That was 2009. We heard the same thing with burners, and then drifters. New releases of specific content with specific and predictable AI. Not exactly a comprehensive or fundamental change to the basic nature of PvE in this game.
I get that it's probably a legacy code thing that needs to be completely redone, but in this case it's fixing something that actually does drive a lot of players away from ever upgrading their trial to a real account, and that in turn effects the quality of the game for the rest of us. In other words it's a lot more vital than POS code. So good luck, I guess.
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á "LIVE FAST DIE."
- traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed]
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