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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2007.01.02 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Herculite
Originally by: Feek I left ASCN before the war started and have made a big discovery since. ASCN space was the only real true Player-owned Empire in the game. One of the things I've done since I left is to go for a tour around a lot 0.0 and ASCN were way ahead of anyone else in the way their markets were filled and escrow was populated with goodies.
It's a shame, a real shame.
ASCN had a good market, hell it had a great market for most things.
But I'd change how you said that. ASCN was the only player owned empire that felt like you were in the NPC empires. This is part of what led to the downfall as it bored many PvPers to other corps. Outside of Tribal Souls, ASCN seemed to pride itself on being aggressively non-expansionist. Most of the types of players who win wars are not the types of players who measure their fun by ore and outposts. Those might be important, but the fun is the combat and drama around conquest.
Which is why perhaps the victor would be wise leaving someone alive to retain a Aztec Tlaxcala type symbiosis. Perhaps that'll be the fate of Prime Orbital Systems.
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Hysenthlay
Minmatar The Merchant Marines Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.01.02 20:47:00 -
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Edited by: Hysenthlay on 02/01/2007 20:47:18 Thank You ASCN for being there when The Merchant Marines were in a time of need. We would not be where and who we are today with out you.
Hysenthlay Director Of Astrogeology THEMM ____________________________ Silflay Hraka U Embleer Rah |
Sir Kad
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.02 20:47:00 -
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As some others have said, mixed emotions. Been through the fall of Xetic and the rise of the ASCN empire. Never thought it would fall this quickly... GL to you all. HONOR and SERVE!
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DarkonRhoe
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.01.02 20:51:00 -
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Edited by: DarkonRhoe on 02/01/2007 20:55:22 Well I have heard a lot of this and that being said about both Band Of Brothers and Ascendant Frontier. But it is nice that there are some people out there that can still show respect and not put them down. Both sides deserve a lot of respect.
Calmarri FTW |
Spaja Saist
Gallente Void Engineers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Zion
Originally by: Spaja Saist
Originally by: iqplayer Edited by: iqplayer on 02/01/2007 16:32:03
Originally by: Danari I love war. It evaporates irrelevance and exposes the true nature of every corporation and member involved. Teamspeak is the ultimate soothsayer.
It doesn't appear to be documented in here that CORM, AWECO and D-R have announced agreeing to become bob pets.
Syncore exited the conflict today upon the fall of Deja's Dungeon. Fittingly, Hakim payed us a visit as we were packing our last bags and left the handsomest prize I've ever seen drop in this game.
Good times, great fun, nothing but fond memories.
Well, I knew someone would feel they had to make a comment somewhere along the way. Meh, then again, you weren't even first, were you, as Cyvok beat you to it?
D-R stood besides ASCN until there was nothing left worth standing next to. You guys couldn't even agree on a 'last stand' - that's why Corm and Syncore were still down defending K-9/2-RS while CLS/IXC/etc wanted to defend RIT/5P/GHZ. Noone was willing to sacrifice what was 'theirs', even if it meant losing everything.
For being one of the smaller corps in ASCN, D-R was in the top 10 for kills for the *entire* conflict. For most of the month of December, we were 4th. Tell me again how we betrayed ASCN? Should we stick around the corpse of ASCN, when it can't even make up it's mind on it's deathbed?
Or maybe we should be loyal because of 'what ASCN has done for us'. After all, Cyvok 'built' ASCN right, organizing all the Outposts that were built? Which is why when D-R asked about alliance help to haul and defend the OP we put up, we were told that if we worked hard and quietly, we could do it ourselves in a couple of days, and 'probably noone would even notice'. Well, we did haul it ourselves, with props to the 3-4 CLS guys who volunteered as well all on their own. 14 active members (at the time), 35 days, basically 0 alliance help - ASCN didn't build ZS, Dragon's Rage did.
We paid our dues to ASCN. ASCN is dead. Who then should we give our loyalties to?
Well you shouldn't give them to BOB since they are the ones that destroyed everything you worked for. I'll never understand people that are williing to become the slaves of those who conquer them. All respect I ever had for those corps is now gone. To become BOB lapdogs is beyond lame. Oh and on a tactical note, it would be much easier to defend the RIT area than K9.
Those corps only did what CLS and co did back in Xetic when they made the deal with ATUK and co. to turn on the Xetic alliance and walk away. This is no different, it's just only this time CLS and co are getting the short end of the stick.
You sir are incorrect. They left and formed their own alliance. The didn't surrender and become slaves of one. I still don't see why anyone would defend Xetic. That alliance was a cluster**** and was doomed to die. Of course it seems Cyvok didn't learn those lessons when he formed ASCN.
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Spaja Saist
Gallente Void Engineers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Resipsa Loquitor
Originally by: Spaja Saist Well you shouldn't give them to BOB since they are the ones that destroyed everything you worked for. I'll never understand people that are williing to become the slaves of those who conquer them. All respect I ever had for those corps is now gone. To become BOB lapdogs is beyond lame. Oh and on a tactical note, it would be much easier to defend the RIT area than K9.
Why do you remain so bitter regarding BoB mystifies me. Didn't John McCreedy blacklist you from ASCN months ago for some stupid reason? Aren't you glad he did it now? By the way, if there was any doubt in your mind, your blacklisting was my wake-up call to leave ASCN.
The folks that have decided to remain in Feyt (or Eso or PS) have made a commercial decision - they can make more money from their members and as a corp than the rent costs - and, as we see here, an emotional decision - they want to stay with what they built in an area they are familiar: their "home". So now they pay "rent" as tenants instead "donating" money to ASCN to "support the alliance" that, it appears from what I am reading, didn't do much for them in their opinion.
I think you'll find many people do this in real life - some flee from and some stay and hunker down during disasters and war. In reality, some people cannot see life away from "their home".
So, in reality, what's the issue? That they are willing to pay BoB to keep what they believe is their home? They want to stay in conditions that you might percieve as harsh and yet they somehow find the terms acceptable and, maybe with time, even thrive under them(!)? Or is it that they didn't use their last retrievers and covetors as fast-locking fighter bombers but instead decided to salvage assets so they can strenghten themselves by using their swords as plowshares?
I'm trying to understand better where you are coming from on this because all I hear is anger. Why drive away a tenant that not only wants to use your facilities but make it their "home"? Those are the kind of tenants a landlord dreams of!!!
It's very simple. When a enemy moves in and conquers your country you either fight to the death to drive them out(which would be my way) or you leave and find a new home. I could never live under the banner of a conquering force. There is no way in hell I would pay the same people who just ruined everything I held dear to live in what I already paid to create. And as to ASCN, I don't care one bit about them. BOB I will always hate for many reasons. Your egos being one of my main issues and the fact that you only seem to care about destroying what others build. It's just like the big bully on the block that keeps going around and beating everyone up cause they can. I'm sure you guys really enjoy what you are doing but I have higher standards for my conduct in Eve.
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Gossip
Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.01.02 21:11:00 -
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ASCN was cool to be part off, the spirit on which it was created will never die.. respect to both parties.
Honor & Serve ----
The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless. For if it is formless, no spy can discern it nor the wise make plans against it. Sun Tzu, the art of war
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Shinboner
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Posted - 2007.01.02 21:16:00 -
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Congrats to BoB although it pains me to say that, never would i have thought that ASCN a power alliance would have gone down to BoB, not when you look at the members.
ASCN didn't/haven't died they just imploded. They got to big for themselves and got taken down by a better PvP alliance, If you weren't a huge industrial corp they didn't wont to know you. VTIL and ANZAC spring to mind only 30-40 dedicated pilot corp's but not industrial ASCN didn't want to know about them.
SO to ASCN you can build ships like they are going outta fashion, pity you lost them just as quick, and where was your industrial might then?
To BoB well done, but nobody likes your alliance or the way you conduct yourself. Enjoy your victory, one day you might forget all the little people that got you to were you are.
P.S give them hell at the alamo :)
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Darth Zion
Minmatar Deltaflux Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.02 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Spaja Saist
Originally by: Darth Zion
Originally by: Spaja Saist
Originally by: iqplayer Edited by: iqplayer on 02/01/2007 16:32:03
Originally by: Danari I love war. It evaporates irrelevance and exposes the true nature of every corporation and member involved. Teamspeak is the ultimate soothsayer.
It doesn't appear to be documented in here that CORM, AWECO and D-R have announced agreeing to become bob pets.
Syncore exited the conflict today upon the fall of Deja's Dungeon. Fittingly, Hakim payed us a visit as we were packing our last bags and left the handsomest prize I've ever seen drop in this game.
Good times, great fun, nothing but fond memories.
Well, I knew someone would feel they had to make a comment somewhere along the way. Meh, then again, you weren't even first, were you, as Cyvok beat you to it?
D-R stood besides ASCN until there was nothing left worth standing next to. You guys couldn't even agree on a 'last stand' - that's why Corm and Syncore were still down defending K-9/2-RS while CLS/IXC/etc wanted to defend RIT/5P/GHZ. Noone was willing to sacrifice what was 'theirs', even if it meant losing everything.
For being one of the smaller corps in ASCN, D-R was in the top 10 for kills for the *entire* conflict. For most of the month of December, we were 4th. Tell me again how we betrayed ASCN? Should we stick around the corpse of ASCN, when it can't even make up it's mind on it's deathbed?
Or maybe we should be loyal because of 'what ASCN has done for us'. After all, Cyvok 'built' ASCN right, organizing all the Outposts that were built? Which is why when D-R asked about alliance help to haul and defend the OP we put up, we were told that if we worked hard and quietly, we could do it ourselves in a couple of days, and 'probably noone would even notice'. Well, we did haul it ourselves, with props to the 3-4 CLS guys who volunteered as well all on their own. 14 active members (at the time), 35 days, basically 0 alliance help - ASCN didn't build ZS, Dragon's Rage did.
We paid our dues to ASCN. ASCN is dead. Who then should we give our loyalties to?
Well you shouldn't give them to BOB since they are the ones that destroyed everything you worked for. I'll never understand people that are williing to become the slaves of those who conquer them. All respect I ever had for those corps is now gone. To become BOB lapdogs is beyond lame. Oh and on a tactical note, it would be much easier to defend the RIT area than K9.
Those corps only did what CLS and co did back in Xetic when they made the deal with ATUK and co. to turn on the Xetic alliance and walk away. This is no different, it's just only this time CLS and co are getting the short end of the stick.
You sir are incorrect. They left and formed their own alliance. The didn't surrender and become slaves of one. I still don't see why anyone would defend Xetic. That alliance was a cluster**** and was doomed to die. Of course it seems Cyvok didn't learn those lessons when he formed ASCN.
Who is defending Xetic? CLS took a deal to be left alone by ATUK and co and form a new alliance. Did they surrender? Just because they weren't paying them to stay does not mean they didn't surrender. That's a matter of preception. Hell it could be argued that ATUK let them live so that they could build Feya up, who knows. But the fact of the matter is the conquerers of Xetic came back to conquer ASCN albeit in a different alliance. Surrender or no surrender many corps jumped ship on ASCN just like CLS and co did for Xetic. 'Leaving' or 'surrendering' just means in the end you are giving up on an ideal you believed in and are now adapting.
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iqplayer
Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.01.02 21:27:00 -
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Edited by: iqplayer on 02/01/2007 21:27:47
Originally by: Spaja Saist
It's very simple. When a enemy moves in and conquers your country you either fight to the death to drive them out(which would be my way) or you leave and find a new home. I could never live under the banner of a conquering force. There is no way in hell I would pay the same people who just ruined everything I held dear to live in what I already paid to create. And as to ASCN, I don't care one bit about them. BOB I will always hate for many reasons. Your egos being one of my main issues and the fact that you only seem to care about destroying what others build. It's just like the big bully on the block that keeps going around and beating everyone up cause they can. I'm sure you guys really enjoy what you are doing but I have higher standards for my conduct in Eve.
It seems to me that there are two types of players in Eve - those who play as a straight game of PvP/conquest, and those who don't.
I'm not the type of person that blows stuff up, or conquers it, for the heck of it either. But if this war has shown anything, it's that the pure Conquerors will beat the hybrid Industrialists. So, if you're an industrialist, what do you do?
Some would say that honor and reputation are the more important factor. I say look beyond your emotions, and you'll see that fighting to the last breath may *look* noble, but fighting a lost cause doesn't get you a whole lot except a bloody nose.
My point in all this, is that the corps who are choosing their fate now aren't the traitors. There's nothing left to betray. I respect the fact that some would never choose that path that I've taken. That's your choice. Right? Wrong? I submit that those trying to define actions at this stage by such absolute definitions have their vision distorted by their own opinions.
To be frank, a *couple* of corporations left Xetic to form ASCN. They promised a 'fresh start' where things would be different. I, along with several others, listened and believed - we joined.
We were betrayed.
There's a lot of finger pointing going on now as to who was at fault. Someone (I forget who posted it) said there's blame to be found all around, and that's partially true. But in a Dictatorship, where one person is responsible for all the decisions, who carries the weight of success, or failure?
Some might say that I'm just kissing up to the victor. I say that my actions are proof that what I'm telling you is correct. Bob is not perfect either, but they've shown themselves to be better than ASCN.
Anyways, I'm done digging dirt. I wouldn't have done it at all, had certain parties not wanted to try to color the story with their own convictions. All that remains is the eulogy.
RIP ASCN - may Eve remember your glory days moreso than your bitter end.
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john roe
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 21:42:00 -
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Edited by: john roe on 02/01/2007 21:42:19 "All under Heaven." / ying.xiong / hero.movie(2002)
adieu
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Gericault m0id
Contention Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.02 21:43:00 -
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Long time reader, (almost) first time poster.
I expected ASCN to pull something great out of the sleeve until the end. The good thing to come out of this, however, is that many residents of new eden has turned against the steam-roller that is BoB and I hope the remnants of ASCN together with the freedom fighters fighters of our galaxy turns against this universal threat.
Let the guerilla warfare commence.
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Olgzr
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.02 21:58:00 -
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CCP stands for crowd control productions..right? You think ASCN being brought down so easy was a fluke? CCP just told about 2000 paying customers..screw you.
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Resipsa Loquitor
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Spaja Saist It's very simple. When a enemy moves in and conquers your country you either fight to the death to drive them out(which would be my way) or you leave and find a new home. I could never live under the banner of a conquering force. There is no way in hell I would pay the same people who just ruined everything I held dear to live in what I already paid to create.
There is a third way: live where you've chosen to live regardless of banner. I think you'd find that most people fall into this category naturally and that most people reach "mental accomodation" with their surroundings and situations. Few flee and fewer fight.
Originally by: Spaja Saist BOB I will always hate for many reasons.
Oh, don't be a h8er!
Originally by: Spaja Saist Your egos being one of my main issues and the fact that you only seem to care about destroying what others build. It's just like the big bully on the block that keeps going around and beating everyone up cause they can. I'm sure you guys really enjoy what you are doing but I have higher standards for my conduct in Eve.
*sigh* I think I'll have to quote HAL 9000 from 2001: A Space Odyssey on this one:
Originally by: HAL 9000 Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.
--- John McCreedy and EDF never paid their complex runners for the 100s of billions gathered in the name of EDF and ASCN. Who's the slave master now, McGreedy? Where's the money? Pay ARC! |
rocka
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.02 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Olgzr CCP stands for crowd control productions..right? You think ASCN being brought down so easy was a fluke? CCP just told about 2000 paying customers..screw you.
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Herculite
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.02 22:18:00 -
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When your alliance leader quits mid war, who is betrayed? (I wonder if he was blacklisted for leaving mid war eh?)
Most ASCN corps were no different than renter corps in BoB. The alliance skimmed with taxes etc, and in the end they got nothing for it. From what I can see, BoB does favor alliances/corps willing to fight for their space and I'm sure that deals can be worked out that are not much different than they had under ASCN.
ASCN loved to toss out the term 'slave' corp about all of their enemies. G/Iron was all slave corps, BoB has their 'slave' corps, any corp that wasn't part of the alliance directly were 'slave corps'. In the end how does this differ from most people in ASCN? You pay your taxes 'to the man' and get the right to live in that space, and fight for it.
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Hashi Lebwohl
Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.01.02 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Herculite
Originally by: Feek I left ASCN before the war started and have made a big discovery since. ASCN space was the only real true Player-owned Empire in the game. One of the things I've done since I left is to go for a tour around a lot 0.0 and ASCN were way ahead of anyone else in the way their markets were filled and escrow was populated with goodies.
It's a shame, a real shame.
ASCN had a good market, hell it had a great market for most things.
But I'd change how you said that. ASCN was the only player owned empire that felt like you were in the NPC empires. This is part of what led to the downfall as it bored many PvPers to other corps. Outside of Tribal Souls, ASCN seemed to pride itself on being aggressively non-expansionist. Most of the types of players who win wars are not the types of players who measure their fun by ore and outposts. Those might be important, but the fun is the combat and drama around conquest.
Which is why perhaps the victor would be wise leaving someone alive to retain a Aztec Tlaxcala type symbiosis. Perhaps that'll be the fate of Prime Orbital Systems.
I do not think so - BoB are currently showing us the error of our ways. Building outposts and creating markets in 0.0 space is so 2006.
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Olgzr
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.02 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Olgzr on 02/01/2007 22:58:24 Edited by: Olgzr on 02/01/2007 22:57:45
Originally by: rocka
Originally by: Olgzr CCP stands for crowd control productions..right? You think ASCN being brought down so easy was a fluke? CCP just told about 2000 paying customers..screw you.
this is a joke right? if not wtf u blaim ccp for loosing this war
nope..its one reason I suspended my accounts
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Danari
Amarr Syncore
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Posted - 2007.01.02 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: Danari on 02/01/2007 23:35:44 I know why the caged birds sings, ah me, When his wing is bruised and his bosom sore, When he beats his bars and would be free; It is not a carol of joy or glee, But a prayer that he sends from his heart's deep core, But a plea, that upward to Heaven he flings - I know why the caged bird sings.
-- Paul Laurence Dunbar
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Drakma
Gekidoku
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Posted - 2007.01.03 00:02:00 -
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Edited by: Drakma on 03/01/2007 00:03:43
Originally by: Sir Kad As some others have said, mixed emotions. Been through the fall of Xetic and the rise of the ASCN empire. Never thought it would fall this quickly... GL to you all. HONOR and SERVE!
When are you coming home kad??? New Sig Coming |
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Liet Traep
Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.03 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: Liet Traep on 03/01/2007 00:07:31 I'm sure this was a tough post for Gungan. Much respect to those who are sticking it out with ASCN. Takes a lot of heart to do so.
(Longwinded Rambling Bits To Follow......)
I think ASCN was flawed though from the beginning. No matter what those who took part it in say ASCN was formed out of a betrayal of Xetic. ASCN members past and present will and have argued that Xetic deserved to die. But betrayal no matter the name is betrayal. And the former enemies that ASCN tossed in with turned out long term not to be good allies. When push came to shove you betrayed your friends and tossed in with your enemies. Then later on they turn on you when they have no more use for you. The decisions you made in forming ASCN came back to haunt you.
Tribal Souls. Once again you took friends and made them into enemies. And once again you established ASCN's reputation for betrayal. When BoB came for you who stood with you? Your strongest allies, your brothers in arms were occupied with Axe. And you were out of other friends. Towards the end your only hope would be that old enemies from the north would intervene. I hoped that d2 would actually but i was not suprised when they didn't.
ASCN betrayed their friends and made friends with their enemies and paid the price for it down the line.
Here's the good part. You haven't given up. no one can kill your alliance but you. Whether you reform in empire or in Stain or Syndicate or somewhere else you have a chance rebuild. Hopefully you'll have learned the lessons of Xetic and ASCN 1.0 and take the strong core group of players left and rebuild. I know Virt and like him a lot. I think ASCN could do worse. Stop playing the traitor's game, rebuild your focus primarily around a strong pvp group, maybe make peace with some old enemies and who knows in a few months you can reconquer your lost territories. It's been done before. Look at RA. look at how many times PA came back. ASCN is down but not out. How you guys bounce back from this setback could make Eve history. :)
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Flapp
Dog Tags
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Posted - 2007.01.03 00:22:00 -
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Curse Alliance no longer exists, but those dual MWD cruisers won't be forgotten as long as EvE will continue.
Ascendant Frontier will cease to exist once Alamo is conquered, but the word will not be forgotten.
Achievements and mistakes alike, ASCN will be an example and guiding line as well as a measure for any future operations in the South.
Alliances grow, Alliances fall, this is the nature of the game.
(Oh, and on the personal side: If anyone of Exceed is on, hug Effei for me!)
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Die Ene
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Olgzr CCP stands for crowd control productions..right? You think ASCN being brought down so easy was a fluke? CCP just told about 2000 paying customers..screw you.
Whats this now ? CCP's fault your alliance was a mess?
Sorry, I had to chuckle at this one
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Red Six
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Olgzr CCP stands for crowd control productions..right? You think ASCN being brought down so easy was a fluke? CCP just told about 2000 paying customers..screw you.
You know that may just qualify as the stupidest ******* thing I've read in 3+ years on these forums. You lost the fight for various reasons others have stated and still you blame others and whine worse than my five year old instead of seeing the truth of the situation. CCP is not at fault for ASCN losing, ASCN is and if you still can't figure that out then well...
Originally by: Eridu Fallen
Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it *is* the ugly stick.
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Bainie
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Posted - 2007.01.03 01:13:00 -
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It is funny to read through this as I see two different types of players really in EVE. The first are those who are BoB members or muppets thereof, supported by them, or otherwise somehow in league with them.
The second group comprises of those who do not like BoB the bully at all, some despise, some downright loathe them. This group is much more diverse and varied a cross section than the former. They consist of those that may have been turned off by the famed BoB arrogance (I am not disputing whether said arrogance is deserved or founded on past accomplishments or not.), or rather those that lost a war to the very skilled war machine of BoB (which is marvelously efficient), or the third group that chooses to hate BoB because everyone else says they should because everyone else does.
There will surely come a time when a trifecta of things will come to bear, 1. BoB will become too big and too spread out in their dominion...or claims of such, 2. they will continually beat up every other kid or groups of kids in the school...which constantly reinforces their enemies by adding to that category of those who dont like them (eventually the bully always gets the **** kicked out of them by someone bigger or by 15 smaller kids tired of taking it)...and finally 3. at one point they may begin to buy into a lot of that horse**** propaganda or aura that BoB is invincible themselves and cannot ever be touched...which will fester as a canker of complacency and haughtiness until one day they wake up and realize that they just lost Delve to 400 other corps in EVE who all hate them. I have fought BoB many a time, I have respect for the pilots I have seen and fought, they are top notch and professional...for the majority of the time. I know the origin of BoB as well as a lot of those responsible for it's creation. This isnt a flame...and I hate to get off topic, but I just wanted to call it how I see it in the coming time for BoB. I am posting with an alt as I feel no need to bring down flack for those in my corp, alliance or otherwise for a purely subjective opinion. I dont much care if you flame this or not...as I likely wont read any of your responses or check back on this post at all. Take it for what it is worth...a prediction from a student of history.
They are top dog now in the EVE PVP game...but as all of the internal EVE history of alliances show...and all history of antiquity and war...every great dynasty falls...it is just a matter of when and how hard they go down, and what the cause may be...be it war or internal decay.
BoB's days are numbered, just as it sounds like ASCN's are as well. I just think ASCN has less by the sound of things.
I respect both alliances and wish all of ASCN the best of luck.
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Arenis Xemdal
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Disrespectful to the end. They're heroes in my book even if it meant only downing you once. Utter lack of class.
You are ignorant of the situation, and of the people we fight.
'Heroes under a leadership with ulterior motives' could summarize the entire war justly.
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Havras
The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Disrespectful to the end. They're heroes in my book even if it meant only downing you once. Utter lack of class.
You are ignorant of the situation, and of the people we fight.
'Heroes under a leadership with ulterior motives' could summarize the entire war justly.
Some people insist on living in the past.
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MuthaTrucka
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: Havras
Some people insist on living in the past.
WHERE IN HADES ARE THE MISSING XETIC MINERALS!
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
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Brunswick2
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Olgzr CCP stands for crowd control productions..right? You think ASCN being brought down so easy was a fluke? CCP just told about 2000 paying customers..screw you.
Umm, I'm just going to make this clear that that statement does not represent the views of his corporation or alliance. --------------------------------- Bah, I broke my edited sig!
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Voltron
Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.03 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Brunswick2
Originally by: Olgzr CCP stands for crowd control productions..right? You think ASCN being brought down so easy was a fluke? CCP just told about 2000 paying customers..screw you.
Umm, I'm just going to make this clear that that statement does not represent the views of his corporation or alliance.
Very good to hear, though to be honest I sincerely doubt that anyone thought those ASCN involved in "THE LAST STAND" shared that chaps viewpoint.
Seriously.....wtf.......CCP caused the loss of the war? bull, same fate as be-fell xetic. Olgzr is just ticked that a "new alliance" isn't being born out of the ashes immediately so he can get back to mining right away.
Volt It's great touching your own dink isn't it?
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