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Gungankllr
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:27:00 -
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First and foremost, I've got quite a bit to cover, so bear with me.
I would like to extend my thanks to certain parties in Eve for showing restraint and allowing me to make this post on my own terms, without seeing it posted by enemies or alts.
At this point, it's easier to say who is still in Ascendant Frontier than who has gone their own way.
Celestial Horizon Species 5618 Exceed The Syndicate Vanguard Frontiers Sublime
Everyone else has left. Some left under great terms, I wish them the best. Some people left under some bad terms, and I hope you are at peace with your decisions.
I've tried the best I can to give a fair, accurate reporting of facts. When we've done something wrong, I've stepped up and said so. When we did something right, I've done the same.
Our Capital system of AZN is under BoB's control, as are most of the outposts in Feythabolis.
The leadership of the Ascendant Frontier has vanished over the last two weeks, leaving many pilots wondering what exactly to do, other than move out their assets the best they can.
There are no fleets defending Feythabolis, there are no fleet commanders left to organize the remnants of the alliance into any sort of fighting force.
Our capital fleets have completely vanished.
The triangle systems of GHZ, RIT and 5p- are the Ascendant Frontier alamo, the remaining members of several corporations I have listed have decided to make a last stand there.
We will continue to fight as long as the stocks in the stations hold out.
I just wanted to say that regardless of how badly our alliance ended, I have never been prouder of what we had accomplished.
To anyone whom might one day claim Feythabolis, I ask you to learn from our folly.
As a last message to you all, I am stepping down as the Ascendant Frontier Spokesman.
There is nothing more to say.
GK
Hidden in this signature is a secret message.
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Necronomicon
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:28:00 -
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Edited by: Necronomicon on 01/01/2007 01:30:23 (edit, yes, I was first)
Good luck to you all.
Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
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DeadProphet
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:29:00 -
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Edited by: DeadProphet on 01/01/2007 01:29:27 its pretty much over then
gg ASCN, no matter what anybody says, you made a fist of it.
*edit* beers effect spelling :(
Listen to BoB Radio |
Stamm
Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:31:00 -
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This must have been a very difficult post to make, and you've made it very well.
I'm sure everybody has seen the downfall of ASCN, this post has been due for a while.
Good luck to the corporations who still are willing to fight, and of course congratulations to BoB for breaking what a few months ago nobody could possibly think could be broken.
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maGz
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:31:00 -
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Good luck ____________
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Demitri Klashnikov
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:32:00 -
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Just don't forget, you have not failed you just lost a level in a video game.
it's all about oppertunities, for ASCN there may be no more, but for the individual pilots, there will be many.
Good luck to all of you. -----------------------------------------------
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Hegemon Rast
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:33:00 -
[7]
Respect and Regards
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Major Stormer
Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:34:00 -
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Good luck to the fighting men and women of ASCN, and my continued respect for all the pilots in the future
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Buxaroo
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:35:00 -
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1st.
Good luck to you guys.
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Klaryssa
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:38:00 -
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The Last Stand.
Good luck in your future endeavours.
PS. Burn that a**hole who blamed everyone but himself.
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uber jauler
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:40:00 -
[11]
Much respect and good luck.
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Skilo
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:40:00 -
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Good luck to you all.!
And happy new year!
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Gunstar Zero
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:41:00 -
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o7
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teqNo
TAOSP Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:41:00 -
[14]
All the best.
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:41:00 -
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Respect. -
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AeroCmdr
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:42:00 -
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Good luck!!!
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Sgt Blade
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:43:00 -
[17]
Good Luck ASCN Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5 |
Larsson7
Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:45:00 -
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Truly the end of an era.
Good luck to the remaining ASCN crew.
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Wolfman
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:47:00 -
[19]
Respect and regards..
Dust to Dust Ashes to Ashes
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Sick Boy
Minmatar Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:47:00 -
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Just wanted to tip my hat for the boys and girls that fought hard in the war so far, shame on all those in your alliance who dident do anything to come to your aid when your alliance buddys wanted help.
Good to hear that u guys decided to make a last stand, respect!
-sick
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Wardog 1
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:47:00 -
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I know a lot of ASCN members so good luck to you all.
But, can u explain fully (or to any extent} as to why Syncore was kicked from ASCN? From what i'v heard there was a dispute amongst the higher ups, but it baffles me as to why anyone could make the decision to kick an actively participating pvp corp in such dire times.
I don't wanna derail your thread or anything, don't answer it if you think its flaimbait.
Btw happy new year █████████ |
Remmington Daniels
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:48:00 -
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Well done for sticking with it. Had some good fights and tbh some of you earned my respect
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Barrick Swordsworn
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:49:00 -
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Edited by: Barrick Swordsworn on 01/01/2007 01:52:03 Edited by: Barrick Swordsworn on 01/01/2007 01:50:28 Kudos to your accomplishments and respect for your dignity. Though the alliance may disappear, I look forward to seeing the pilots continue their careers elsewhere and wish you all the best of luck in your future endeavors.
-Barrick Stormsworn --Executive Outcomes
(Stupid accidentally posting with an alt >.<)
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Gungankllr
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Wardog 1 I know a lot of ASCN members so good luck to you all.
But, can u explain fully (or to any extent} as to why Syncore was kicked from ASCN? From what i'v heard there was a dispute amongst the higher ups, but it baffles me as to why anyone could make the decision to kick an actively participating pvp corp in such dire times.
I don't wanna derail your thread or anything, don't answer it if you think its flaimbait.
Btw happy new year
I honestly do not know the status of Syncore at the moment.
Our forums are no longer online, and I have no desire to put the remaining guys through blinking alliance mail hell, so if Danari sees this post he can respond to it.
GK
Hidden in this signature is a secret message.
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Evod
Evisceration. Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:54:00 -
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Happy New Year. I have no involvement in this conflict, but respect to Gungankllr and his compatriots. This is a class act statement. Congrats to BoB, I think this was much less difficult a fight than was expected by most. GL to the pilots making your last stand, yes its noble but don't lose to much.
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Angelica Hellsing
Caldari Singularity.
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:54:00 -
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Well, good job. All I got to say is.... you shouldnt of stolen Paragon Soul from us(Tribal Souls)
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Danari
Amarr Syncore Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:54:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Wardog 1
But, can u explain fully (or to any extent} as to why Syncore was kicked from ASCN?
Simply a lover's quarrel :)
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Weeman
Caldari KIA Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:54:00 -
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Probably should have happened a month ago and just got all you could out but 20/20's a fine thing.
End of the day there weren't enough people with the heart to put it on the line for ASCN and in a way its a bit sad considering the preceeding effort that had been put in, by what now appears to be a considerbly smaller amount of people than I first thought.
GL all and especially old Species pal's
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MacDuncan
Minmatar Unknown Society
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:55:00 -
[29]
Now it's the point to give respect to the remaineints of ASCN...
Happy new year (and it doesn't shoudl sound in any negative context!)!!! --
Might As well Train Another Race |
BoinKlasik
Senkei Jin
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:55:00 -
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is this goodbye ASCN, or goodbye ASCN in feyth?
well i say whichever one it is ;)
*doh, I broke my edited sig :/* *cries* this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
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Caybn E'vangel
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:56:00 -
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gf ASCN, and respect for the simple, honest post gk.
See you in RIT.
I don't want the world, I just want your half. |
Taladorn
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:58:00 -
[32]
You did your best attempting to do the best you could to represent your alliance Gung. Now that the muzzle is off hope you holler at me again sometime :)
Btw any idea who stole your Cap ship fleet ? Better to name and shame than leave it in the closet so to speak.
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Broska
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.01 01:58:00 -
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Finaly a decent ASCN post that isn't proclaiming that your laying doom to BoB.
I commend the corps that have stayed in ASCN. You at least have some honor and dignaty, which in EVE is probably the most valuable comodity. Earning ISK is easy, Respect is not.
Hopefully you've wittled out your carebear corps, learned your lessons and will hopefully come back and make sure that the mistakes made before are not repeated again. ------------------------------
Originally by: Tovarishch flying a Scorp into a fleet battle is like parking a pink moped in front of a biker bar - you will die... quickly.
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Chronus26
Gallente Dark Blood Contracts
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Posted - 2007.01.01 02:00:00 -
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Good luck ASCN.
I have been part of ASCN in the past.
I left citing alot of reasons for my departure.
I've been quite vocal in my dislike of ASCN since.
but really, I never really mean it.
once again, good luck. -----
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Aakron
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.01 02:02:00 -
[35]
Best of luck with the future ---
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Crimsonjade
Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.01 02:06:00 -
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Edited by: Crimsonjade on 01/01/2007 02:12:41 Gung ill say this. taking over when you did at the low point and making a well made post like this has given me a new respect for people in this game.
well said and Good luck to your allaince in what ever you choose
and Hats off to BOB FC's and soldiers dam nice work
edit: to much rum on new years eve and its only 8pm here :/
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.01 02:08:00 -
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All respect to ASCN.
And some to BoB, meanies that they are _
Welcome to Rancho Zoidberg |
slip66
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.01 02:10:00 -
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Respect to you for stepping up when the others vanished!
GL in Alamo!. Those that remain will gain more respect I think in the end. No one will ever deny that as a alliance ASCN were able to accomplish some very impressive things, a good number of which will remain as a testament to your hard work and team work.
Originally by: StOrM ViPeR Theres a skill called surgical strike in game I've learned that it actually stands for Band of Brothers |
Aceformat
RazorBack Inc Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.01 02:11:00 -
[39]
Both GF and GL to ASCN.
I have been on both ends of this fight and after the initial attack within TPAR/TCAG I knew which way the pendulum was going to swing, but with that in mind the remaining ASCN corps have stood fast and held strong.
Good luck in the future and stand as strong as you ever have.
Nothing but respect from this pilot towards ASCN.
Ace
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Robstr
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Posted - 2007.01.01 02:13:00 -
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You accomplished alot and fought the good fight ASCN.
It's a bit saddening to see you pass, even after SOLST departed we always felt a connection to you all. ====
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Emrod
Amarr Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.01.01 02:21:00 -
[41]
o7 goodbye ascn and figth until the end if you can!
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Lunaticdie04
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.01 02:22:00 -
[42]
GF ASCN. And much repesct to the corps that have stayed to fight to the end. Sucks I'll miss due to exams :(
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dimensionZ
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.01 02:38:00 -
[43]
Good luck with the last stand.
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ArcticFox
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.01 02:41:00 -
[44]
Good luck Gungan and ASCN. Good to see some core of what ASCN was founded on remains.
Regardless of how long you last, I doubt very much the pilots and corps who have shown enough commitment not to bail on their alliance will have any trouble in finding a new place in Eve. -------------------------- There is only one +6 sword of WTFPWN in Eve, and only the lag is allowed to equip it. |
Scarcus
Caldari Stain of Mind
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Posted - 2007.01.01 02:48:00 -
[45]
The Alamo...well :(, fight well dudes. I hope you have your clones set up.
A frequent star in God's cosmic gag-reel. Sig removed. Inappropriate for the forums -Kaemonn |
Aaron Static
Igneus Auctorita
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Posted - 2007.01.01 02:49:00 -
[46]
You'll be back
gf and gl
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nickky01
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.01 02:49:00 -
[47]
good luck to you guys, i think you managed to last longer then most people thought you would.
i hope all the fighting, running around systems, and everything else you've been through have taught you many lessons.
again, good luck o/
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Havras
The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.01 02:50:00 -
[48]
Originally by: slip66 Respect to you for stepping up when the others vanished!
GL in Alamo!. Those that remain will gain more respect I think in the end. No one will ever deny that as a alliance ASCN were able to accomplish some very impressive things, a good number of which will remain as a testament to your hard work and team work.
Good luck, bad luck... whatever it is going to be... it will be fun ;)
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.01 02:57:00 -
[49]
Regards. ASCN, despite anyone throwing stones, did great things for EVE.
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Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.01 03:08:00 -
[50]
I could say a lot of things right now that I am not going to say.
What I will say is, to those people still trying to hold on to your stations and still fighting, I say enjoy it and you deserve a lot of respect.
It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it?
EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.01 03:11:00 -
[51]
From what I see, ASCN is dead, but the corps in it are not, nor is the spirit in which it was formed.
You can kill an alliance, but you cannot kill the teamwork of those in it, nor the spirit and ideals of those who formed it.
I expect ASCN to leave a long legacy, and the corporations of it to continue existing long after their loss in the South. Like the Curse Alliance, they will never be forgotten.
-[23] Member-
Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame) |
Viper ShizzIe
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.01 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari From what I see, ASCN is dead, but the corps in it are not, nor is the spirit in which it was formed.
You can kill an alliance, but you cannot kill the teamwork of those in it, nor the spirit and ideals of those who formed it.
I expect ASCN to leave a long legacy, and the corporations of it to continue existing long after their loss in the South. Like the Curse Alliance, they will never be forgotten.
All true imo.
/respect to ASCN.
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Broska
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.01 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari From what I see, ASCN is dead, but the corps in it are not, nor is the spirit in which it was formed.
You can kill an alliance, but you cannot kill the teamwork of those in it, nor the spirit and ideals of those who formed it.
I expect ASCN to leave a long legacy, and the corporations of it to continue existing long after their loss in the South. Like the Curse Alliance, they will never be forgotten.
DS speaks the truth. ------------------------------
Originally by: Tovarishch flying a Scorp into a fleet battle is like parking a pink moped in front of a biker bar - you will die... quickly.
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Stanis
Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.01 03:22:00 -
[54]
Respect to the corps fighting to the end.
o7
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Predator123
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Posted - 2007.01.01 03:30:00 -
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Thought i'd pass along my greatest admiration for the corporations that have stayed in ASCN adn are willing to fight until the bitter end be it victory defeat or stalemate....that is what an alliance/corporation is all about....willing to make your stand for your brothers and sisters in EVE i salute you remaining ASCN members.... LIVE LONG DIE WELL BROTHERS
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Nagatok
Obsidian Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.01 03:31:00 -
[56]
Thought i'd pass along my greatest admiration for the corporations that have stayed in ASCN adn are willing to fight until the bitter end be it victory defeat or stalemate....that is what an alliance/corporation is all about....willing to make your stand for your brothers and sisters in EVE i salute you remaining ASCN members.... LIVE LONG DIE WELL BROTHERS
(POST FROM MAIN)
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Bryce Calladan
Caldari CAD Inc. Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.01.01 03:40:00 -
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Oi, we just joined the fight, but y'all made it fun. o7 to every ASCN member, my hat's off to you for puting up such a fight for so long.
I wish you luck and fortune on your journies, and honestly, I hope you guys find yourselves bouncing back. To think of all the time and effort spent, it's quite sad to see such an alliance break apart.
Peace be unto you, brothers, in your final hour. o7 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
Peace favor thy sword, friend.
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saadi
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Posted - 2007.01.01 03:42:00 -
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we did great thing,s inside of ascn thing,s that leave a mark in side of eve! for the future i dont no but it will be a hell of a ride for sure and no you cant have ascn stuff you all are to litle sorry
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Gabba
Species 5618
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Posted - 2007.01.01 03:47:00 -
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Excellent post Gungan, you got this job very late in the war, but i really feel you've shown your worth. The fall of ASCN was extremely hectic and confusing to most of its members, but you tried to make the most of it.
Here is to 2007, and lets have some fun.
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Cassiuss
Minmatar STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.01 04:03:00 -
[60]
It was fun. Huge props to CYVOK.
The adage came true in the end. Only ASCN could destroy ASCN. Exactly what happened.
Cassiuss, STK-S Recruitment Officer
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larietta
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.01 04:07:00 -
[61]
weldone ascn and good luck
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.01 04:30:00 -
[62]
Mixed feelings, really mixed feelings.
The corp I helped grow having to abandon what they worked for so hard.. Saddening.
Seeing the arrogance of some people finally be their downfall.. Relieving.
Good luck to those that still Honor and Serve! Long live the EnB refugees. -
- One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them. |
LTD THOR
Sensus Numinis Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.01.01 04:37:00 -
[63]
respect! and respect to the corps which were leavin in great terms.. but the rest should die like scummy dogs.. ASCN deserved more than yours.
My 1st video : =RED WARS-The Beginning= ;) |
Kanoubi
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.01 04:38:00 -
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Edited by: Kanoubi on 01/01/2007 04:40:37
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Good luck to those that still Honor and Serve! Long live the EnB refugees.
Alot of us still here my friend
Thank you for remember the old times .
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Ivan Kinsikor
Amarr CAD Inc. Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.01.01 04:40:00 -
[65]
As Bryce said, we just joined the fight, and while we are kinda shooting for the other team, still gotta pay respects to ASCN.
Good luck to all of you out there at the Alamo, hope you put up one helluva fight.
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Svett
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.01 04:44:00 -
[66]
5 corps on 5 corps is a fair fight isn't it? (blatently stolen from someone else)
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.01 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kanoubi Edited by: Kanoubi on 01/01/2007 04:40:37
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Good luck to those that still Honor and Serve! Long live the EnB refugees.
Alot of us still here my friend
Thank you for remember the old times .
Wow! A blast from the past! :)
Good to see you're still around. Speaking of which, how are your looting skills doing? :-p WTB: Tobias' Modified Warp Disruptor. Might be slightly harder to get than the stuff from the pirate area in EnB though. :)
I never forget the old times, Kanoubi, actually my current corp is a lot like the old CLS. Although most of you will never understand how ruthless mercenaries can work with the Honor and Serve motto too! :)
<3 -
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Trask Kilraen
The Older Gamers
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Posted - 2007.01.01 05:49:00 -
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Edited by: Trask Kilraen on 01/01/2007 05:50:58 We fought our best, and in the end, it wasn't enough.
Thanks to those in ASCN that fought the good fight.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Dead Miners Society
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Posted - 2007.01.01 05:59:00 -
[69]
whatever happens to ascn, the infrastructure you devloped will be there until the servers close down
who knows, with kali 2 and const sov, maybe your war with bob would have been a little different?
either way, be proud of your achievements :)
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cordy
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.01 06:06:00 -
[70]
Same as waagaa, really mixed feelings here, specially cause i was at the birth of ASCN seeing it fall sadens me.
Goodluck in whatever you guys do next and defenetly respect for the corps that are willing to do a last stand.
*sends out a hug to CLS and the rest of ASCN*
Why did God create men before women? There's always a rough draft before the masterpiece
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Cadiz
Caldari No Quarter.
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Posted - 2007.01.01 06:56:00 -
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Edited by: Cadiz on 01/01/2007 06:58:17 I can't help but profoundly admire this kind of magnificent resolution. May your final stand be a truly epic and praiseworthy way to end the story of ASCN (or at least this incarnation of ASCN? Who knows...), and may your futures in EVE be kind to the lot of you, regardless of the paths you take. I'm sure more than a few of you will end up sticking together after all is said and done - the bonds formed in the depths of a hopeless situation are often difficult to unravel afterwards, I've found.
Give 'em hell, gentlemen! ------ Quartermaster, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence." |
Rudy Metallo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.01.01 07:00:00 -
[72]
Good luck ASCN-ites, wherever you venture.
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Izo Azlion
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.01.01 07:06:00 -
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I wish the best to ASCN as a whole. No other alliance could achieve what you achieved in terms of a functional, fully self sufficient alliance like yourselves. You've been around a long time, and you've done great. Its with sorrow I see you guys fall to pieces.
All the best ASCN.
Izo Azlion.
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KayaYautja
Caldari Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.01 07:09:00 -
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Good luck and god speed. I wish you the best, and still respect ASCN for what it was, potentially the only true player empire in this game.
'tis a sad day
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Prototype Ocelot
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Posted - 2007.01.01 07:15:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Demitri Klashnikov you have not failed you just lost a level in a video game.
I can see you were trying to comfort the OP, but this mentality has no place when responding to such a post. If they saw it as just a game, they would have never achieved what they did. If BoB saw it as just a game, they'd not devote the time and effort to it that they do. I realize it's not wise to speak for others, as they'll invariably pipe up and snarkily respond that I'm wrong... but I feel pretty comfortable with the fact that for a lot of the most successful people in Eve, it is a community, a family, a society that plays a game, not a game that plays at being a society.
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.01 07:17:00 -
[76]
Respect to those in ASCN who have showed every day and fought aginst us , it was a pleasure and a honor also to fight ppl who realy defend their space and will go for a final stand "Lord Samaiel, Rise "
BNC Vs CELES Video
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Mark Starkiller
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2007.01.01 07:22:00 -
[77]
It has been an amazing year for me in ascn. I joined to see fleet battles and stayed because i saw lot of people that have a dream. Oh, and i saw lot huge fleet battles... just immagine 150 ships warping all together...wow. I saw capital ships in fight, poses going down, outposts shields going down, swarms of fighters friendly and foe, and i even survived titan blast once.... People that stand up against military power of bob, respect Bob, respect. for good fight and being better organised than we were.
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Father Weebles
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.01 07:35:00 -
[78]
It's sad to see such a once powerful alliance keel over, there could have been a great war down south, but it wasnt meant to be i guess...
"Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control." |
Havras
The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.01 07:43:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Father Weebles It's sad to see such a once powerful alliance keel over, there could have been a great war down south, but it wasnt meant to be i guess...
I don't know. Three months of near constant fighting is a pretty good war IMHO. You have to remember there were the same few hundred people fighting this war pretty much from the start with far to many alliance members just sitting it out and sucking up what they could instead of chipping into the fight.
I'll tell you something though, don't feel sorry for the few remaining corps. We're going out of this war the way we went in.... swinging.
Props to BOB for bringing and bringing it hard, props to my mates who are going to be there on that final line in the sand. I look forward to what I hope to be a glorious fight in RIT.
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Maule
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.01 07:50:00 -
[80]
I havent been the most active player in this war, acturly I didn¦t play for the first 4-6 weeks and I played abit in the end (tho not in these last few weeks). a few times atleast, but thats not what this is about, just wanted to say that this post gives a certain respect in my eyes for its honesty, for going out like this whit a post is not what can be said about alot of other alliances, acturly I cant remeber an alliance that wrote a post like this in their most difficult time and admitting(sp?) defeat and for that I can only admire, I wist all alliances would go out like that.''
ps: if what I wrote in nonsence tho i dont think it is imo its proberly because its 9am in the morning and I¦m drunk and tired
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Calisto Cody
Minmatar The Black Swan Society
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Posted - 2007.01.01 08:42:00 -
[81]
ASCN despite its flaws was a power house of industrail might, it is set in legend. Another point is it took BoB to take you down. could anyone else have? ;)
Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: Butter Dog but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know.
i can't imagine that's true
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Hell's Gate
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Posted - 2007.01.01 09:19:00 -
[82]
Well any major PvP alliances in empire looking to move to 0.0 I don't see ASCN not sharing the "Alamo" stations. It hurts me to think about it, but I remember when RED was down to one station.... All those players in the recruitment forums saying "looking PvP corp" might want to take another look at ASCN. Sounds like all fat has been trimmed.
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Tadamitsu
Solar Storm Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.01 09:24:00 -
[83]
I was in ASCN, and have great respect for what the alliance has done. You have fought a long hard fight, and even in the end you will continue to show the character that made ASCN great.
Discipline, respect, determination. traits everyone respects.
Fight on Friends. Solar Storm CEO Want to join the storm?
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Grimpak
Gallente Twisted Attitude
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Posted - 2007.01.01 09:51:00 -
[84]
good luck gung -------
Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
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Yonos
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Posted - 2007.01.01 10:07:00 -
[85]
I want to say to the author of the post that his farewall address was poignant and eloquent. If his words are even the remotest reflection of what ASCN was, then EVE has lost a great player organization indeed.
R.I.P ASCN and for me, R.I.P CC
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AaronP
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.01.01 10:41:00 -
[86]
Good luck ASCN, looks like all your outposts are falling fast now aswell.
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MironCosszma
ECP Rogues Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.01 10:50:00 -
[87]
GL ASCN and fight well ...btw where are your allies these days guys ???? Trying to save their asses ? LV anyone in here ? -------------------------- They say the plane and the ordinary are rule by fate, And heroic chouse their own destiny I desagree, Some times,destiny chouses the Hero.
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Archa
Caldari United Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.01 11:02:00 -
[88]
congratulations to BOB, I am sure huge fights have been fought to end this war and you have preservered.
And I think ASCN deserves respect for making a fist against the biggest fighting machine of the eve-universe. You did everything in your power to defeat them. Well done.
Good fight, without a doubt;
and so 2007 begins.
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ArmyOfMe
Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.01 11:14:00 -
[89]
Good luck in the future ascn.
/me sits back and wonders if bob will come north now
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Femintaki
Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.01 11:39:00 -
[90]
Edited by: Femintaki on 01/01/2007 11:39:57 A difficult post to make and well executed Gungan
Much respect to you and the other ASCN members who fought for their honour. Regardless of politics etc. it has to be said that the infrastructure ASCN built will serve the lawless regions well and ASCN should take much pride in what they achieved as an industrial entity.
Love Fem
Quote: Do or do not - there is no try!
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Iesiama Nobalte
Chinese ISK Farmers
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Posted - 2007.01.01 11:41:00 -
[91]
A damn shame. Good luck ASCN, hope to see you out in space again soon.
Chinese ISK Farmers starblog |
Calisto Cody
Minmatar The Black Swan Society
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Posted - 2007.01.01 11:43:00 -
[92]
i cant not laugh at that corp name ^ :D
Originally by: Sergio Ling
Originally by: Butter Dog but I'm professional enough to keep my mouth shut about what I know.
i can't imagine that's true
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ToxicFire
Warlords Corp The Core Collective
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Posted - 2007.01.01 12:03:00 -
[93]
Respect, what ever happens you've earned your place in eve history
Join the save Stargate SG1 Campaign Today! http://savestargatesg1.com/
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killerco
Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.01 12:04:00 -
[94]
Good luck with your final stand ASCN its been a fun trip with ya fellas.
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Manic Mole
Keepers of the Holy Bagel The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.01.01 12:15:00 -
[95]
good luck and I hope you guys get to see another new year.
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caldagora
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Posted - 2007.01.01 13:08:00 -
[96]
The ASCN and AXE Empire has fallen. Will BoB be next? |
Volatar
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.01.01 13:42:00 -
[97]
Originally by: caldagora The ASCN and AXE Empire has fallen. Will BoB be next?
hush child, such is for another time, another thread, and a player corporation beneath your name :)
ASCN was a vision, a great vision, and that vision is not why it fell lets us hope, someone, takes up what is left, and rebuilds the vision, without the flaws
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Tequilapepper
Amarr Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.01 14:13:00 -
[98]
Hard to post like this mate, you did it very well.
Good luck to you guys, we know is possible to rise again...
regards
Teq
FIX Grunt
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BOBHOPE
Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.01.01 14:29:00 -
[99]
respect
may your hearts be pure and may good fortune cross your paths in 2007.
/me salutes
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R3dSh1ft
Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.01 14:41:00 -
[100]
Well its the holidays, nothing much happening anywhere - I would say its a case of BOB using the Christmas exploit ______________________________________
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Robbie Boozecruise
Caldari calon lan
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Posted - 2007.01.01 14:42:00 -
[101]
ASCN well done
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Cabadrin
Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.01 14:42:00 -
[102]
Much respect to ASCN, you were one hell of an alliance. _______________________________________________
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TrippyX
Caldari The Syndicate Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.01 14:44:00 -
[103]
Couple of things i'd like to say:
first, thanks to eXceed Inc. [IXC] for beeing the best brothers in arms i could've wished for. second, thanks to ASCN for giving me 6 months of joy, before the war but also during the war. third, thanks to TOASP you guys have been making the RIT-A7 triangle unsafe for us lately but it's been good fun, hope you enjoy the exotic dancers i gave ya Horatio
lastly... to BoB and all others that wonna come have some pew pew in RIT-A7...
BRING.. IT.. ON!!!
/me jumps back in the ibis
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Zomiaen
Gallente Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.01 15:37:00 -
[104]
Respect to ASCN. You guys pulled off something extremely difficult, and managed to last for one helluva long time.
GL in the Alamo, and whatever paths you take afterwords. _________________________
pirates wear pink! - eris was herrrrrrre
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Tarri
FACTA NON VERBA Kurai Komichi
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Posted - 2007.01.01 15:40:00 -
[105]
Good luck and give them Hell. Go ASCN! ----
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Unholy Preacher
Trade Consortium
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Posted - 2007.01.01 16:01:00 -
[106]
From all the members of TC, it has been an amazing ride being part of the dream.
And to BoB, you are a worthy opponent despite all the smack through the months.
Gluck to everyone in the south and maybe we will see you again some time
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revan101
Caldari Odd Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.01 16:13:00 -
[107]
GG xetic noobs
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Mordenkainan
Caldari Lone Gunmen
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Posted - 2007.01.01 16:29:00 -
[108]
In a couple of years time the conversation will be like this:
"Where are you based at the moment mate?"
"I'm out of the old ASCN outposts in Feyth"
It won't matter what they're named - your memory, what you achieved down there, will live on.
Good luck for the future folks who've fought and built down there.
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Notleh
Eve Defence Force
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Posted - 2007.01.01 16:30:00 -
[109]
Good luck to those still fighting and much respect.
ASCN was a dream. I look forward to the day when the dream of creation (versus destruction) re-emerges and shines strong.
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Aberash
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.01 16:43:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Aberash on 01/01/2007 16:46:59 Good post Zung, was a fun journey, to the corps that didnt contribute much to the war effort and didnt put in as much work as everyone else, you let everyone else down, which shows your arent alliance "material".
and BoB Respects for the Determination of your alliance, lets hope our last stand ends on good terms
[IXC] Aberash
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Shinjuro
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.01 16:52:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Shinjuro on 01/01/2007 16:52:51 Good Luck/Happy New Year/All in due time/It is just a game!
edit: Add respect to that as well..
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niroshido
Caldari Frontline Defense Force Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.01 17:02:00 -
[112]
i pay my respects to one of EVE's greatest alliances
i also extend a former handshake to GK, it is always tough to inform the public of such a thing, but u made it masterfully and with honour and dignity
all i can say about is: those who still fight for these last 3 systems are very honourable, your admiration for your alliance and your devotion to the defence of these systems is nothing short of outstanding
niroshido salutes ye http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b133/niroshido/whereeverilandcopy-1.jpg
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.01 17:06:00 -
[113]
A very good post.
Good luck and happy new year! --------------------------------
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.01 18:45:00 -
[114]
We have had some great times, and some not so good. Some great corps and pilots, and some not so good.
You can't win em all and we didnt win this one, but who knows what's around the corner.
A new year and new avenues beckon.
Cya in space.
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SilentSkills
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Posted - 2007.01.01 20:01:00 -
[115]
What goes up, must come down... simple cold hard physics, either on nature, human relations, political systems. We are just experiencing it. ASCN might be compared to the Roman Empire, fought their way up, it got divided, then broke up into smaller kingdoms. Which what I predict for that area.
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Syrus666
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.01 20:03:00 -
[116]
Much respect to the guys who I have fought day in and day out.
Good luck and grats for sticking with it & fighting for what you believe in.
See you at the alamo :)
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LICENCE2KILL
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.01 20:45:00 -
[117]
I flew with you I died with you Good Luck To your last stand.
Dust in the wind let them settle where they may.
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Dracolich
North Star Networks Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.01.01 20:59:00 -
[118]
Sorry but I can't bring out other emotions than utter disappointment. I really had expected more from ASCN, but maybe it all comes down to that the BoBs warmachine is oiled and is invincible at the time being.
Hard post to make Gungan, and I respect you for that, and those of you that have remained. Kudos to BoB for dismantling the biggest alliance in Eve in such a short time-span. I think the near future will be harder than ever before for Bob leadership, and I foresee BoB will decrease in numbers, unless the leadership(and maybe more importantly enemies will finally evolve to match BoB somewhat) finds new goals to aspire to. Time will tell... Until then BoB has yet again proven that they are lightyears ahead of the "competetion". Sad for them - sad for everyone, but not the fault of the Band of Brothers.
Maybe, just maybe someone will equal vision and leadership will be able to unite some alliances to test BoB war machine.
Wehrmacht comes to mind. Maybe some day the other alliances will grow up from their kindergarten state of mind or wind up assimilated or obliterated.
NB I care not for 0.0 reciting alliances, nor if BoB gets erased or wins eve, just my general views from my most objective PoV.
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Earthan
Gallente The Amazing Fire Eaters Breidablik
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Posted - 2007.01.01 21:13:00 -
[119]
good post, respect. --------
The Amazing Fire Eaters webpage
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Allatar Daimas
The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.01 21:46:00 -
[120]
Not gonna waste my time or yours commenting on your chances, I'll just say good luck.
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Brunswick2
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.01 21:53:00 -
[121]
See you guys in RIT --------------------------------- Bah, I broke my edited sig!
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Karbowiak
untaught Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.01.01 22:03:00 -
[122]
Take care ASCN.. and yeah, give them a run for it! ;) I DOMINATE YOU!! |
ptmpredator
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.01 22:07:00 -
[123]
Give BoB a good fight for us!
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Mitram
Grey Group
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Posted - 2007.01.01 22:26:00 -
[124]
I can't say that I will miss ASCN. ASCN had been foulish before the war with BoB already. ASCN corps (actually none of the remaining ASCN's) were camping in territory that ASCN didn't even claim and was shooting neutrals (to name one: Providence). Ok, thats already 6 month ago but it was a milestone I remember.
In the end ASCN followed the way of Xetric: Big alliance but no leadership. Many corps probably joined ASCN because of "bigger = better".
Maybe some of the BoB posts here were partially true when they said that ASCN was not well organized.
For me no ASCN would be no loss.
I wonder who will be next on BoB's list when the remaining ASCN retreated to empire. LV?
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Nagatok
Obsidian Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.01 22:31:00 -
[125]
mitram do shut up....A)post on your main and B)if that is your mian you clearly dont realise that in 0.0 your either a friend or enemy stop whining
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.01 22:38:00 -
[126]
Well if you had asked me yesterday if I post like this would have shown up today I would have been willing to bet a large sum of isk that it wouldn't. To say this is unexpected, is an understament in my eyes. Not to mention one hell of a classy move, kudos for making that post.
But if someone could clue me in here, exactly what happend to the Cap fleet? Was it actually stolen?
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XoPhyte
Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.01 23:11:00 -
[127]
Not much else to add then see you in RIT! It's been.... interesting fighting TAOSP there. And overall respect to all the pilots I met on the battlefields (on both sides of the engagement). This war has been great fun and will always be remembered
Hopefully we will finally get Farjungs Nano Domi before it's all over
Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Most people in eve would rather win than have a good fight
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Dave White
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.01 23:17:00 -
[128]
Good luck ASCN and I hope the alliance lives on even without any space ____________________________________________ EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER |
ollobrains
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.01 23:35:00 -
[129]
lives on without stations yeah it will in empire with us shooting em for fun
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Idunyken
Digital Fury Corporation
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Posted - 2007.01.01 23:35:00 -
[130]
Wow
One of those posts that deserves to be on a plaque somewhere...
best of luck to all of the pilots of what was the..largest....alliance..in...eve.....
...oh jeez what have you done BoB!? Empire will be swamped! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
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Arvo Henderson
Be Podded My Friend
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Posted - 2007.01.01 23:38:00 -
[131]
A tale about this war must be written -- is there any conflict participants interested in writing it? Say, on Eve Wiki, for instance?
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JA RULER
Caldari Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.01 23:39:00 -
[132]
Sad to see you go but glad to see some of you are noble enough to fight to the end. Those that do stay and fight will have a place anywhere in EVE. Kudos to BOB who brought it on in superb form.
I wonder though what will happen to the vaccum of space left behind and who will take it?
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Havras
The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.01 23:40:00 -
[133]
Originally by: ollobrains lives on without stations yeah it will in empire with us shooting em for fun
I shall direct you to the ASCN killboards.. who is shooting whom?
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 00:23:00 -
[134]
Been a pleasure ascn, respect
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Yaakuza
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Posted - 2007.01.02 00:25:00 -
[135]
Good luck guys! Stay and fight as long as you can !
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Barwinius
Ars Caelestis Imperium Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:07:00 -
[136]
Good luck ASCN... It was a blast. |
FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:54:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Gungankllr
Celestial Horizon Species 5618 Exceed The Syndicate Vanguard Frontiers Sublime
The triangle systems of GHZ, RIT and 5p- are the Ascendant Frontier alamo, the remaining members of several corporations I have listed have decided to make a last stand there.
Ive never been a fan of ASCN. Ive been raiding ASCN territory and fighting them on and off since I was a member of CELTS. However, either due to my own personal nature, else due to playing too much Mideval II: Total War the last two days, I feel I must respond to this post.
The six corporations listed above, who you say remain in ASCN and will defend the Alamo to the last, are heroes. Not because BOB are evil, or because ASCN is a heroic entity. Your people are heroes for bowing to no man, surrendering at no cost, and standing fast where others have fallen away. Every one of the corporations listed has gained my keenest respect.
When cities burn and armies turn to flee in dissaray cowards will cry 'tis best to fly!' and fight another day.
But warriors know it is in their marrow when they die and fall it is better to have fought, and lost than not to have fought at all
salute to what remains of ASCN. Once more, into the breach dear friends.
bawk
Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
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MuthaTrucka
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.02 05:24:00 -
[138]
In the ending time After all was lost my friend All is not lost yet
AHA! long live the Heresy!
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
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Fire Hawk
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 08:25:00 -
[139]
gf and best regards ASCN.
What you achived in the game as an industrial entity will allways remain, nobody can take it to you.
Much respect to those that fought and still fight till the end.
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Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 09:04:00 -
[140]
Edited by: Rebellion on 02/01/2007 09:06:14 There's equal honor in surrendering and in fighting to the end. It all hinges on the manner at which either is conducted. There is no course of action that is inherently more respect-worthy than another as the quality entirely depends on subjectivity.
However, I am honestly shocked at how the pieces fell like dominoes then AZN was secured. I expected at least several more months worth of fighting for the secondary systems in Feythabolis. The disappearance of the capital ship fleets is something that I find disturbing. As is the vanishing leadership.
By the way, The Alamo is ours. It's one of our stations in Delve. To ASCN in general, it was a good fight although in several aspects it could have been better. There's always the possibility of a round 2.
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Prestidigitator
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.02 09:26:00 -
[141]
I hereby publically state that I have nothing to contribute to this thread other than to roffle wildly at JA RULER's sig :D
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Thor Xian
Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.01.02 09:27:00 -
[142]
A Tale of Two Regions
Anyway, ASCN behaved all too predictably as a whole in responce to the BoB threat...like a paper tiger.
But I won't waste anyone's time with hindsight, only going to wish you luck and perhaps ASCN will rise again...just don't be another PA...
~Thor Xian, Material Defender
"For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One."
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DeadDuck
Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.02 09:32:00 -
[143]
Edited by: DeadDuck on 02/01/2007 09:32:35
Originally by: JA RULER Sad to see you go but glad to see some of you are noble enough to fight to the end. Those that do stay and fight will have a place anywhere in EVE. Kudos to BOB who brought it on in superb form.
I wonder though what will happen to the vaccum of space left behind and who will take it?
On a side note your sig is one of the the best I ever saw around here
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Royaldo
Old Farts Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.01.02 09:35:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Prestidigitator I hereby publically state that I have nothing to contribute to this thread other than to roffle wildly at JA RULER's sig :D
signed x100
and something something.. erm..ascn cap fleet is gone? how many dreads did they have?
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Tarphon
Caldari Realm of Majestic Empire Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.02 09:55:00 -
[145]
Originally by: FowlPlayChiken
Originally by: Gungankllr
Celestial Horizon Species 5618 Exceed The Syndicate Vanguard Frontiers Sublime
The triangle systems of GHZ, RIT and 5p- are the Ascendant Frontier alamo, the remaining members of several corporations I have listed have decided to make a last stand there.
The six corporations listed above, who you say remain in ASCN and will defend the Alamo to the last, are heroes. Not because BOB are evil, or because ASCN is a heroic entity. Your people are heroes for bowing to no man, surrendering at no cost, and standing fast where others have fallen away. Every one of the corporations listed has gained my keenest respect.
When cities burn and armies turn to flee in dissaray cowards will cry 'tis best to fly!' and fight another day.
But warriors know it is in their marrow when they die and fall it is better to have fought, and lost than not to have fought at all
salute to what remains of ASCN. Once more, into the breach dear friends.
bawk
The New Webster's Encyclopedic Dictionary of the English Language 1997 defines "courage" as 'the quality of mind or spirit that enables a person to face difficulty, danger, pain, etc., without fear; bravery" and "bravery as "possessing or exhibiting courage or courageous endurance; to defy, challenge." The opposite, "cowardice" is defined simply as a "lack of courage or fortitude.ö Honor and loyalty are an important part of a personĆs wealth. Life in EVE is often harsh, survival uncertain, but for true heroes the defense of ones Corporation and Alliance are nearly unquestioned. The essence of bravery is based in courage - the willingness to die for a cause or at least, a given situation. The battlefields of history are replete with bodies of men imbued with courage: Shakespeare described it heroically in the victory of Henry V against overwhelming odds at the Battle of Agincourt and the braggadocio of Falstaff to illustrate cowardice; Americans remember it from February 23, 1836 when 180 volunteers stood off an Army 4000 strong, these men took out about 1600 of the attacking enemy, fighting to the death of the last man -- exemplifying the legendary courage of the men who held the Alamo. Every soldier that puts on a uniform is stating that they have the courage to die in the line of duty beside their brothers and sisters. This willingness to stand up for one's beliefs in the face of danger, to endure suffering, and to die with dignity without rescinding ones own views. This is the quality of courage that arises in individuals for the good of others and the benefit of mankind. There is no higher honor than the path you have chosen. I will not lie to you as I do not believe that your survival is a possibility but for you to step forward one last time, one last stand to hold the line against the darkness. Game or not, this shows your courage and integrity
To those 6 corps that has chosen to join the battle you are indeed heroes, and have earned the respect of many.
I salute you
May your battle be epic, and the memory of it long
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.02 10:07:00 -
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It sickens to me see BoB saying "gg hf" any anything else "positive" after they helped destroying something far cooler than they will ever be.
Sad to see that another peaceful and cool alliance goes to night by BoB. "It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö"
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Masta Killa
BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.01.02 10:13:00 -
[147]
I like how up until now Bob smacktalked Ascn to the ends of the world but now that the fight is almost won it's all turned into "we respect you, you fought well bla bla bla".
Now bob only needs to invade and destroy themselves and I'll be pretty happy with the alliances of eve again.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 10:53:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Kuolematon It sickens to me see BoB saying "gg hf" any anything else "positive" after they helped destroying something far cooler than they will ever be.
Sad to see that another peaceful and cool alliance goes to night by BoB.
I'm afraid you are afraid about your inability to gank haulers in empire. We don't aim to please or be cool.
-------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 10:54:00 -
[149]
Originally by: XoPhyte Not much else to add then see you in RIT! It's been.... interesting fighting TAOSP there. And overall respect to all the pilots I met on the battlefields (on both sides of the engagement). This war has been great fun and will always be remembered
Hopefully we will finally get Farjungs Nano Domi before it's all over
Fit domination webbys -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve.
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Fire Hawk
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 10:56:00 -
[150]
Edited by: Fire Hawk on 02/01/2007 10:56:41
Originally by: Masta Killa I like how up until now Bob smacktalked Ascn to the ends of the world but now that the fight is almost won it's all turned into "we respect you, you fought well bla bla bla".
Now bob only needs to invade and destroy themselves and I'll be pretty happy with the alliances of eve again.
I think you talk about what bob pilots said to Cyvok and his leadership and the ASCN carebears that left the battle after day 2.
But kind words here go to the ppl who deserves it, the ppl that had the right spirit and that still fight under their alliance banner.
Btw, I know you since you been in COL and I must say that you are in the right corp.
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 11:07:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Masta Killa I like how up until now Bob smacktalked Ascn to the ends of the world but now that the fight is almost won it's all turned into "we respect you, you fought well bla bla bla".
Now bob only needs to invade and destroy themselves and I'll be pretty happy with the alliances of eve again.
If talking about fact's and truth are smacktalk, then i guess we did do it alot. Fighter's in a ring often hug each other afterward's and speak to each, as this war draws to an end, why shouldn't we?
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Danari
Amarr Syncore
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Posted - 2007.01.02 11:15:00 -
[152]
I love war. It evaporates irrelevance and exposes the true nature of every corporation and member involved. Teamspeak is the ultimate soothsayer.
It doesn't appear to be documented in here that CORM, AWECO and D-R have announced agreeing to become bob pets.
Syncore exited the conflict today upon the fall of Deja's Dungeon. Fittingly, Hakim payed us a visit as we were packing our last bags and left the handsomest prize I've ever seen drop in this game.
Good times, great fun, nothing but fond memories.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.02 11:17:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Butter Dog whatever happens to ascn, the infrastructure you devloped will be there until the servers close down
who knows, with kali 2 and const sov, maybe your war with bob would have been a little different?
either way, be proud of your achievements :)
I think the same result would have happened - but it would have taken a lot longer. Lots of lessons have been learned about Alliance Models and at the end of the day, you win some, you lose some.
See you in RIT :) --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE |
Dr Smythe
Sha Kharn Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.02 11:29:00 -
[154]
Originally by: fire 59
Originally by: Masta Killa I like how up until now Bob smacktalked Ascn to the ends of the world but now that the fight is almost won it's all turned into "we respect you, you fought well bla bla bla".
Now bob only needs to invade and destroy themselves and I'll be pretty happy with the alliances of eve again.
If talking about fact's and truth are smacktalk, then i guess we did do it alot. Fighter's in a ring often hug each other afterward's and speak to each, as this war draws to an end, why shouldn't we?
Well said Fire and btw I need for you to convo me in game or I'll convo you when your online. I need to make a personal apology.
P.S. it was an honor to be part of history. Even if the history is not the one I wanted written. Not many can say they took part in the Great ASCN/BoB war but I can. Oh that statment goes to alot of people who were part of the war also.
I have great respect for so many new people in this game but the opposite can also be said and I'm afraid even more than I have respect for.
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Dr Smythe
Sha Kharn Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.02 11:34:00 -
[155]
bah my siggy looks better with this background :D
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Dregena
Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.02 11:54:00 -
[156]
Respect o7
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Omdra Gon
Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.02 11:56:00 -
[157]
Edited by: Omdra Gon on 02/01/2007 11:56:31 Respect and best wishes for your future
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Cheraden
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Posted - 2007.01.02 12:23:00 -
[158]
Its always sad to see such a large alliance come to an end, i wish all its pilots the best of luck in wherever you end up.
However, what next for BoB? Once they've regained the isk they've lost and chilled out for a bit, who will BoB set their sights on next?
One thing i do know, i wouldnt want to be them. *cough Scalding *cough Pass *cough
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Iron Jaw
The Forsakened Companions Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.01.02 12:26:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Cheraden Its always sad to see such a large alliance come to an end, i wish all its pilots the best of luck in wherever you end up.
However, what next for BoB? Once they've regained the isk they've lost and chilled out for a bit, who will BoB set their sights on next?
One thing i do know, i wouldnt want to be them. *cough Scalding *cough Pass *cough
Woops i acidentaly posted with my alt, sowwie :)
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Firey Inferno
Rogue Arrow Galactic Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.02 12:59:00 -
[160]
o7 - Respect to all who participated. Congratz to bob, and greatest admiration for remaining ASCN in the Alamo. There should of been a film made recording the whole campaign :)
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iqplayer
Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.01.02 16:24:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Danari I love war. It evaporates irrelevance and exposes the true nature of every corporation and member involved. Teamspeak is the ultimate soothsayer.
It doesn't appear to be documented in here that CORM, AWECO and D-R have announced agreeing to become bob pets.
Syncore exited the conflict today upon the fall of Deja's Dungeon. Fittingly, Hakim payed us a visit as we were packing our last bags and left the handsomest prize I've ever seen drop in this game.
Good times, great fun, nothing but fond memories.
Well, I knew someone would feel they had to make a comment somewhere along the way. Meh, then again, you weren't even first, were you, as Cyvok beat you to it?
D-R stood besides ASCN until there was nothing left worth standing next to. You guys couldn't even agree on a 'last stand' - that's why Corm and Syncore were still down defending K-9/2-RS while CLS/IXC/etc wanted to defend RIT/5P/GHZ. Noone was willing to sacrifice what was 'theirs', even if it meant losing everything.
For being one of the smaller corps in ASCN, D-R was in the top 10 for kills for the *entire* conflict. For most of the month of December, we were 4th. Tell me again how we betrayed ASCN? Should we stick around the corpse of ASCN, when it can't even make up it's mind on it's deathbed?
Or maybe we should be loyal because of 'what ASCN has done for us'. After all, Cyvok 'built' ASCN right, organizing all the Outposts that were built? Which is why when D-R asked about alliance help to haul and defend the OP we put up, we were told that if we worked hard and quietly, we could do it ourselves in a couple of days, and 'probably noone would even notice'. Well, we did haul it ourselves, with props to the 3-4 CLS guys who volunteered as well all on their own.
We paid our dues to ASCN. ASCN is dead. Who then should we give our loyalties to?
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Spaja Saist
Gallente Void Engineers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 17:04:00 -
[162]
Originally by: iqplayer Edited by: iqplayer on 02/01/2007 16:32:03
Originally by: Danari I love war. It evaporates irrelevance and exposes the true nature of every corporation and member involved. Teamspeak is the ultimate soothsayer.
It doesn't appear to be documented in here that CORM, AWECO and D-R have announced agreeing to become bob pets.
Syncore exited the conflict today upon the fall of Deja's Dungeon. Fittingly, Hakim payed us a visit as we were packing our last bags and left the handsomest prize I've ever seen drop in this game.
Good times, great fun, nothing but fond memories.
Well, I knew someone would feel they had to make a comment somewhere along the way. Meh, then again, you weren't even first, were you, as Cyvok beat you to it?
D-R stood besides ASCN until there was nothing left worth standing next to. You guys couldn't even agree on a 'last stand' - that's why Corm and Syncore were still down defending K-9/2-RS while CLS/IXC/etc wanted to defend RIT/5P/GHZ. Noone was willing to sacrifice what was 'theirs', even if it meant losing everything.
For being one of the smaller corps in ASCN, D-R was in the top 10 for kills for the *entire* conflict. For most of the month of December, we were 4th. Tell me again how we betrayed ASCN? Should we stick around the corpse of ASCN, when it can't even make up it's mind on it's deathbed?
Or maybe we should be loyal because of 'what ASCN has done for us'. After all, Cyvok 'built' ASCN right, organizing all the Outposts that were built? Which is why when D-R asked about alliance help to haul and defend the OP we put up, we were told that if we worked hard and quietly, we could do it ourselves in a couple of days, and 'probably noone would even notice'. Well, we did haul it ourselves, with props to the 3-4 CLS guys who volunteered as well all on their own. 14 active members (at the time), 35 days, basically 0 alliance help - ASCN didn't build ZS, Dragon's Rage did.
We paid our dues to ASCN. ASCN is dead. Who then should we give our loyalties to?
Well you shouldn't give them to BOB since they are the ones that destroyed everything you worked for. I'll never understand people that are williing to become the slaves of those who conquer them. All respect I ever had for those corps is now gone. To become BOB lapdogs is beyond lame. Oh and on a tactical note, it would be much easier to defend the RIT area than K9.
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OKtha Jarin
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Posted - 2007.01.02 17:14:00 -
[163]
Quote: The triangle systems of GHZ, RIT and 5p- are the Ascendant Frontier alamo, the remaining members of several corporations I have listed have decided to make a last stand there.
Shall your last system be covered with the corpses of your enemys
GL
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Darth Zion
Minmatar Deltaflux Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.02 17:16:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Spaja Saist
Originally by: iqplayer Edited by: iqplayer on 02/01/2007 16:32:03
Originally by: Danari I love war. It evaporates irrelevance and exposes the true nature of every corporation and member involved. Teamspeak is the ultimate soothsayer.
It doesn't appear to be documented in here that CORM, AWECO and D-R have announced agreeing to become bob pets.
Syncore exited the conflict today upon the fall of Deja's Dungeon. Fittingly, Hakim payed us a visit as we were packing our last bags and left the handsomest prize I've ever seen drop in this game.
Good times, great fun, nothing but fond memories.
Well, I knew someone would feel they had to make a comment somewhere along the way. Meh, then again, you weren't even first, were you, as Cyvok beat you to it?
D-R stood besides ASCN until there was nothing left worth standing next to. You guys couldn't even agree on a 'last stand' - that's why Corm and Syncore were still down defending K-9/2-RS while CLS/IXC/etc wanted to defend RIT/5P/GHZ. Noone was willing to sacrifice what was 'theirs', even if it meant losing everything.
For being one of the smaller corps in ASCN, D-R was in the top 10 for kills for the *entire* conflict. For most of the month of December, we were 4th. Tell me again how we betrayed ASCN? Should we stick around the corpse of ASCN, when it can't even make up it's mind on it's deathbed?
Or maybe we should be loyal because of 'what ASCN has done for us'. After all, Cyvok 'built' ASCN right, organizing all the Outposts that were built? Which is why when D-R asked about alliance help to haul and defend the OP we put up, we were told that if we worked hard and quietly, we could do it ourselves in a couple of days, and 'probably noone would even notice'. Well, we did haul it ourselves, with props to the 3-4 CLS guys who volunteered as well all on their own. 14 active members (at the time), 35 days, basically 0 alliance help - ASCN didn't build ZS, Dragon's Rage did.
We paid our dues to ASCN. ASCN is dead. Who then should we give our loyalties to?
Well you shouldn't give them to BOB since they are the ones that destroyed everything you worked for. I'll never understand people that are williing to become the slaves of those who conquer them. All respect I ever had for those corps is now gone. To become BOB lapdogs is beyond lame. Oh and on a tactical note, it would be much easier to defend the RIT area than K9.
Those corps only did what CLS and co did back in Xetic when they made the deal with ATUK and co. to turn on the Xetic alliance and walk away. This is no different, it's just only this time CLS and co are getting the short end of the stick.
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k1Lz
Delta team Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.02 17:19:00 -
[165]
Respect for BOB and ASCN is all i have to say, and ppl who left remember is just a game u will not lose u`r real life or u`r real money in there :).
DELTA is recruiting
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Havras
The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.02 17:25:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Darth Zion
Originally by: Spaja Saist
Originally by: iqplayer Edited by: iqplayer on 02/01/2007 16:32:03
Originally by: Danari stuff
More Stuff
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Those corps only did what CLS and co did back in Xetic when they made the deal with ATUK and co. to turn on the Xetic alliance and walk away. This is no different, it's just only this time CLS and co are getting the short end of the stick.
We're not getting the short end of anything. We're getting all the fun of fighting and going out, if we do, on our terms!
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Resipsa Loquitor
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 17:26:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Spaja Saist Well you shouldn't give them to BOB since they are the ones that destroyed everything you worked for. I'll never understand people that are williing to become the slaves of those who conquer them. All respect I ever had for those corps is now gone. To become BOB lapdogs is beyond lame. Oh and on a tactical note, it would be much easier to defend the RIT area than K9.
Why do you remain so bitter regarding BoB mystifies me. Didn't John McCreedy blacklist you from ASCN months ago for some stupid reason? Aren't you glad he did it now? By the way, if there was any doubt in your mind, your blacklisting was my wake-up call to leave ASCN.
The folks that have decided to remain in Feyt (or Eso or PS) have made a commercial decision - they can make more money from their members and as a corp than the rent costs - and, as we see here, an emotional decision - they want to stay with what they built in an area they are familiar: their "home". So now they pay "rent" as tenants instead "donating" money to ASCN to "support the alliance" that, it appears from what I am reading, didn't do much for them in their opinion.
I think you'll find many people do this in real life - some flee from and some stay and hunker down during disasters and war. In reality, some people cannot see life away from "their home".
So, in reality, what's the issue? That they are willing to pay BoB to keep what they believe is their home? They want to stay in conditions that you might percieve as harsh and yet they somehow find the terms acceptable and, maybe with time, even thrive under them(!)? Or is it that they didn't use their last retrievers and covetors as fast-locking fighter bombers but instead decided to salvage assets so they can strenghten themselves by using their swords as plowshares?
I'm trying to understand better where you are coming from on this because all I hear is anger. Why drive away a tenant that not only wants to use your facilities but make it their "home"? Those are the kind of tenants a landlord dreams of!!! --- John McCreedy and EDF never paid their complex runners for the 100s of billions gathered in the name of EDF and ASCN. Who's the slave master now, McGreedy? Where's the money? Pay ARC! |
Cipher7
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Posted - 2007.01.02 17:46:00 -
[168]
/respect ASCN /respect BoB
gg
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iqplayer
Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.01.02 18:08:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Resipsa Loquitor
Why do you remain so bitter regarding BoB mystifies me. Didn't John McCreedy blacklist you from ASCN months ago for some stupid reason? Aren't you glad he did it now? By the way, if there was any doubt in your mind, your blacklisting was my wake-up call to leave ASCN.
The folks that have decided to remain in Feyt (or Eso or PS) have made a commercial decision - they can make more money from their members and as a corp than the rent costs - and, as we see here, an emotional decision - they want to stay with what they built in an area they are familiar: their "home". So now they pay "rent" as tenants instead "donating" money to ASCN to "support the alliance" that, it appears from what I am reading, didn't do much for them in their opinion.
I think you'll find many people do this in real life - some flee from and some stay and hunker down during disasters and war. In reality, some people cannot see life away from "their home".
So, in reality, what's the issue? That they are willing to pay BoB to keep what they believe is their home? They want to stay in conditions that you might percieve as harsh and yet they somehow find the terms acceptable and, maybe with time, even thrive under them(!)? Or is it that they didn't use their last retrievers and covetors as fast-locking fighter bombers but instead decided to salvage assets so they can strenghten themselves by using their swords as plowshares?
I'm trying to understand better where you are coming from on this because all I hear is anger. Why drive away a tenant that not only wants to use your facilities but make it their "home"? Those are the kind of tenants a landlord dreams of!!!
Props to *all* the corps that stayed to the end fighting, no matter *what* their decision on the future is.
If you want me to be frank though, I don't hate Bob. Bob didn't destroy what I'd built. ASCN destroyed itself long before Bob came around, it's just noone knew/could see it. I hate to say it Bob, but you might have saved yourself a lot of trouble if you'd waited a few more months. Still, I'm sure it was as much fun for you, as it was for us.
I said it before on the ASCN forums (just before they closed down), I'll say it again on the Eve-O forums: I was proud to wear the ASCN banner when it started. I was proud to wear it when we built great things, I was glad to wear it when we fought nobly.
By the end, though, I was not proud to wear the ASCN banner, to be amongst the group that refused to fight for what it had, who hollered 'exploit' every time something happened they couldn't explain. Many just could not face the truth that ASCN was not the immense powerful entity they'd lied themselves (and even many on the outside) into believing it was.
So, my decision on what to do, as Resipsa says above, had *nothing* to do with loyalties to ASCN. D-R was leaving ASCN either way - in fact we'd packed all our stuff and moved most of it to empire before another option presented itself. (Incidentally, as part of that move, I was originally planning to move my remaining forces into the RIT triangle to try to assist, before it became plain that noone else was going to make such a sacrifice.) The decision was about what was best for my pilots. And 39 to 1 Dragon's Rage pilots felt that they were better served staying with what they'd worked so hard to build in ZS than leaving it all to go back to empire.
Go figure.
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Herculite
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.02 18:19:00 -
[170]
My only question is.....
What happened to all the alliance type assets?
Who's running off with all the cookies that were obviously not used in the fight? There should be enough cash/material to fund a rather impressive war machine laying around in someones hangers/wallets.
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RedClaws
Amarr Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.01.02 18:48:00 -
[171]
/me points at CLS
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File
Gallente eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.02 19:07:00 -
[172]
First of all, I do not know iqplayer nor had any experiences with him, all that I post is my own opinion and in no way indicative of the opinions of my corp or my corp mates.
Having said that, I agree with what iqplayer says. ASCN was dead long before the Titan got blown up or AZN was lost. I know that numerous corps and many players had plans to leave ASCN as soon as the war ended - one way or another having seen the gross incompetence and mismanagement of the alliance. They just didn't want to leave "in the middle" of a war.
Why you ask? There were countless reasons, I will list many but there are many more; a major one was the lack of a chain of command or anyone claiming responsibility for anything. I cannot think of a time when either John, Cyvok or Drakma admitted that they messed up – ok Cyvok did once but he made sure to take it back right after. It was always BoB exploits, lag, CCP, TS spies or uber SP that resulted in us losing.
Another thing that really hurt ASCN was everyone calling BoB the ‘uber gamers’, making fun of them for putting EVE first and RL second. “No job, no life, just EVE!” etc… Well the thing is ASCN had plenty of people who take EVE rather seriously and were willing to log in at undesirable times and stay online till 4am to get things done and fight for the alliance. But when the alliance you are defending is indirectly making fun of you – well, that really makes you not want to log in.
An alliance that prides itself on NOT logging in to EVE often isn’t going to beat one that stresses their members into being online as often as possible.
It didn’t help any that HC and numerous members played blame shifting games and fostered a general sense of irresponsibility in the alliance as a whole and a general attitude of disdain towards EVE&CCP. How could they expect anyone to log in when they were so busy telling everyone how much EVE sucks and how it’s tailored to just jobless dorks on welfare playing from their moms basement?
I watched the most dedicated and talented pilots leave IXC one after another – and not one of them did it because they were upset with the corp or because they were afraid of losing their shiny ships. All of them were either “not having fun” or “disenchanted with ASCN” to put it mildly. I sincerely hope that many of them will find their way back into IXC when the dust settles.
Finally, I will be fair and say that I myself logged into EVE a lot less than I could and while I made every effort to attend to every announced fleet op that formed, I often left early seeing that things were going nowhere. There can be no doubt that if I and every single other ASCN member logged in whenever we could and fought whenever we could, in the best ship we could afford, BoB would be in Empire - but we didn’t log in, and we didn’t fight, and not in our best ships. As to the why, I’ve listed the reasons.
As to D-R, I wish the very best of luck to them. They fought well and they fought longer than anyone had any right to expect them to. The race is long over, the corps who are still fighting are just going the extra mile – they deserve praise for that, but there is no shame in admitting defeat and doing what is best for your corp and your members.
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Arenis Xemdal
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 19:28:00 -
[173]
The month of December has been two entirely different wars. BoB vs starbases & ASCN vs themselves. For us, what remains is mere cleanup duty of an irreversibly damaged empire. For ASCN corporations, its a competition on who can ride the moral highhorse hardest for morale buffing campaigns in the future. If the corporations making their final stand were so keen on fighting BoB, they would have shown such great conviction when it actually mattered. They would not have a mere 25 active at any given moment, out of a possible 1500, docked in RIT. They would not be consistently camped in by a TAOSP crew measuring one fifth in size.
In other words, they're doing what ASCN did best to achieve their stature within the EVE populace in the first place; put on an image of competence. All for the sake of saying "we were the last ones out".
It is exactly this tpye of narrowmindedness which led to ASCN's hasty downfall. Staying behind to wage futile war doesn't make them heroes, or even friends of one another. It brands them with spite and stupidity. Spite because they refuse to do whats best for their members, just to score imaginary points over former comrades. Likewise, becoming renters in our space doesn't mean we think you're the cream of the crop; or even capable of defending said space. It means we recognize the ignorance of displacing those who hold sentimental attachment to their home; that are willing to embrace change.
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Revelatia
Clandestia
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Posted - 2007.01.02 19:38:00 -
[174]
Originally by: RedClaws
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Havras
The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.02 19:51:00 -
[175]
Edited by: Havras on 02/01/2007 19:52:09
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal The month of December has been two entirely different wars. BoB vs starbases & ASCN vs themselves. For us, what remains is mere cleanup duty of an irreversibly damaged empire. For ASCN corporations, its a competition on who can ride the moral highhorse hardest for morale buffing campaigns in the future. If the corporations making their final stand were so keen on fighting BoB, they would have shown such great conviction when it actually mattered. They would not have a mere 25 active at any given moment, out of a possible 1500, docked in RIT. They would not be consistently camped in by a TAOSP crew measuring one fifth in size.
In other words, they're doing what ASCN did best to achieve their stature within the EVE populace in the first place; put on an image of competence. All for the sake of saying "we were the last ones out".
It is exactly this tpye of narrowmindedness which led to ASCN's hasty downfall. Staying behind to wage futile war doesn't make them heroes, or even friends of one another. It brands them with spite and stupidity. Spite because they refuse to do whats best for their members, just to score imaginary points over former comrades. Likewise, becoming renters in our space doesn't mean we think you're the cream of the crop; or even capable of defending said space. It means we recognize the ignorance of displacing those who hold sentimental attachment to their home; that are willing to embrace change.
LOL. Camped in by a force 1/5th their size? ROFL. We're just not going to engage a NYX and 2 other carriers to kill a couple of t2 frigs/hacs and have Battleships spoon fed to your fighters.
I can see it now:
"Yarrrrr let's try and blob to kills a couple hacs/AF's while the Fighters from the cap ships chew up the battleships we're using!"
response:
"chirp chirp"
You are not going to goad us into wasting our ships in that manner. We will wait and bide our time for when you actually come in to remove us and provide you with a fight but not before then. I see no reason to feed TAOSP kills like that.
Who are YOU to say what is best for our corps? Who are you to dictate what WE should do? Nobody of consequence as far as I can see. Our corps have, as a whole, decided to fight the last stand in the Triangle. You don't like it? To bloody bad. I don't see your Alliance mates having a problem with it, why should you?
You'll have cap ships, we probably won't. It doesn't matter. We're going to fight not out of spite as you TRY to suggest but because it is going to be a friggin blast to do so. So you can take your bitterness and your completely uninformed opinion on why we are doing what we are going to do and save it for when you come to RIT.
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File
Gallente eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.02 19:53:00 -
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Edited by: File on 02/01/2007 19:53:54
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal The month of December has been two entirely different wars. BoB vs starbases & ASCN vs themselves. For us, what remains is mere cleanup duty of an irreversibly damaged empire. For ASCN corporations, its a competition on who can ride the moral highhorse hardest for morale buffing campaigns in the future. If the corporations making their final stand were so keen on fighting BoB, they would have shown such great conviction when it actually mattered. They would not have a mere 25 active at any given moment, out of a possible 1500, docked in RIT. They would not be consistently camped in by a TAOSP crew measuring one fifth in size.
In other words, they're doing what ASCN did best to achieve their stature within the EVE populace in the first place; put on an image of competence. All for the sake of saying "we were the last ones out".
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Arenis, you know as well as I do that with the forces we have remaining there is only so much we can do against TAOSP's carriers and mothership and the uber tanked remote reped ships they use to camp the station. Moreover, the TAOSP guys are fun and their numbers are not significant enough to disable us at the moment.
It would be an act of great stupidity for us to throw our forces onto those ships, suffer heavy losses and gain little rather than perserve our limited number of ships for the actual assault. Having said that, I don't honestly know how much resistance will be available for the final assault. Yes there are many people who have ships fitted all over the triangle ready and waiting - but there are also many who have thrown in the towel long ago.
I know I speak for IXC and TSYND when I say that we are in RIT because it's our home and not because we desire the moral highground. We are not fighting for what was ASCN, we are fighting for what we call home. We are here not out of spite and not out of stupidity. We are here because it's home.
You should understand that, after all you yourself state that people have an attachment to thier home - so how can you expect us not to try to defend it, as futile as it may be?
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Feek
JuBa Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.02 19:54:00 -
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I left ASCN before the war started and have made a big discovery since. ASCN space was the only real true Player-owned Empire in the game. One of the things I've done since I left is to go for a tour around a lot 0.0 and ASCN were way ahead of anyone else in the way their markets were filled and escrow was populated with goodies.
It's a shame, a real shame. --
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2007.01.02 20:02:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal The month of December has been two entirely different wars. BoB vs starbases & ASCN vs themselves. For us, what remains is mere cleanup duty of an irreversibly damaged empire. For ASCN corporations, its a competition on who can ride the moral highhorse hardest for morale buffing campaigns in the future. If the corporations making their final stand were so keen on fighting BoB, they would have shown such great conviction when it actually mattered. They would not have a mere 25 active at any given moment, out of a possible 1500, docked in RIT. They would not be consistently camped in by a TAOSP crew measuring one fifth in size.
In other words, they're doing what ASCN did best to achieve their stature within the EVE populace in the first place; put on an image of competence. All for the sake of saying "we were the last ones out".
It is exactly this tpye of narrowmindedness which led to ASCN's hasty downfall. Staying behind to wage futile war doesn't make them heroes, or even friends of one another. It brands them with spite and stupidity. Spite because they refuse to do whats best for their members, just to score imaginary points over former comrades. Likewise, becoming renters in our space doesn't mean we think you're the cream of the crop; or even capable of defending said space. It means we recognize the ignorance of displacing those who hold sentimental attachment to their home; that are willing to embrace change.
Disrespectful to the end. They're heroes in my book even if it meant only downing you once. Utter lack of class.
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Herculite
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.02 20:27:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Feek I left ASCN before the war started and have made a big discovery since. ASCN space was the only real true Player-owned Empire in the game. One of the things I've done since I left is to go for a tour around a lot 0.0 and ASCN were way ahead of anyone else in the way their markets were filled and escrow was populated with goodies.
It's a shame, a real shame.
ASCN had a good market, hell it had a great market for most things.
But I'd change how you said that. ASCN was the only player owned empire that felt like you were in the NPC empires. This is part of what led to the downfall as it bored many PvPers to other corps. Outside of Tribal Souls, ASCN seemed to pride itself on being aggressively non-expansionist. Most of the types of players who win wars are not the types of players who measure their fun by ore and outposts. Those might be important, but the fun is the combat and drama around conquest.
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MIGHTYDWC
Gallente Sha Kharn Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.02 20:44:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Dr Smythe
P.S. it was an honor to be part of history. Even if the history is not the one I wanted written. Not many can say they took part in the Great ASCN/BoB war but I can. Oh that statment goes to alot of people who were part of the war also.
Even though it's just a game, I have to say that I witnessed alot of diffrent emotions in the various alliance channels, and in the forums. There were times I thought the alliance was going to melt well before we left. The frustration of sitting at a POS, or comming out on the losing end of a battle took it's toll on people. I spent many nights on the front line, either in a BS or an inty. I lost 2 t2 mega's, 1 to BL's CNR, the other to Shrike's Titan, and I lost count of the number of inties I lost. The nights watching BOB fleets in my cov/ops. The all nighters setting up cyno chains. I made many friends in ASCN, some are still fighting, some have left and set -ve standings. To those, regardless of present times, it was a pleasure fighting with you. To BOB, you brought the A game, and you played the game you wanted to. Regardless of the smack, talks of hax and sploits, you have my respect as a killing machine. I enjoyed the private convo's I had with some of you while killing time. The main thing is, I've learned alot from the good and the bad. Now I take that and move on. Respect, and best wishes to everyone that was apart of ASCN, and respect to BOB, regardless of which side of my guns your on in the future.
PS. After looking at the fraps, my "how can you be killed 3au away while in warp by a DD weapon" question was answered. Clearly I was on grid and loaded when the weapon hit me. Oh well,lag 4tl, I just have to keep the misses off POGO while I play EVE.
PSS.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2007.01.02 20:46:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Herculite
Originally by: Feek I left ASCN before the war started and have made a big discovery since. ASCN space was the only real true Player-owned Empire in the game. One of the things I've done since I left is to go for a tour around a lot 0.0 and ASCN were way ahead of anyone else in the way their markets were filled and escrow was populated with goodies.
It's a shame, a real shame.
ASCN had a good market, hell it had a great market for most things.
But I'd change how you said that. ASCN was the only player owned empire that felt like you were in the NPC empires. This is part of what led to the downfall as it bored many PvPers to other corps. Outside of Tribal Souls, ASCN seemed to pride itself on being aggressively non-expansionist. Most of the types of players who win wars are not the types of players who measure their fun by ore and outposts. Those might be important, but the fun is the combat and drama around conquest.
Which is why perhaps the victor would be wise leaving someone alive to retain a Aztec Tlaxcala type symbiosis. Perhaps that'll be the fate of Prime Orbital Systems.
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Hysenthlay
Minmatar The Merchant Marines Miners With Attitude
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Posted - 2007.01.02 20:47:00 -
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Edited by: Hysenthlay on 02/01/2007 20:47:18 Thank You ASCN for being there when The Merchant Marines were in a time of need. We would not be where and who we are today with out you.
Hysenthlay Director Of Astrogeology THEMM ____________________________ Silflay Hraka U Embleer Rah |
Sir Kad
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.02 20:47:00 -
[183]
As some others have said, mixed emotions. Been through the fall of Xetic and the rise of the ASCN empire. Never thought it would fall this quickly... GL to you all. HONOR and SERVE!
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DarkonRhoe
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.01.02 20:51:00 -
[184]
Edited by: DarkonRhoe on 02/01/2007 20:55:22 Well I have heard a lot of this and that being said about both Band Of Brothers and Ascendant Frontier. But it is nice that there are some people out there that can still show respect and not put them down. Both sides deserve a lot of respect.
Calmarri FTW |
Spaja Saist
Gallente Void Engineers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 20:53:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Darth Zion
Originally by: Spaja Saist
Originally by: iqplayer Edited by: iqplayer on 02/01/2007 16:32:03
Originally by: Danari I love war. It evaporates irrelevance and exposes the true nature of every corporation and member involved. Teamspeak is the ultimate soothsayer.
It doesn't appear to be documented in here that CORM, AWECO and D-R have announced agreeing to become bob pets.
Syncore exited the conflict today upon the fall of Deja's Dungeon. Fittingly, Hakim payed us a visit as we were packing our last bags and left the handsomest prize I've ever seen drop in this game.
Good times, great fun, nothing but fond memories.
Well, I knew someone would feel they had to make a comment somewhere along the way. Meh, then again, you weren't even first, were you, as Cyvok beat you to it?
D-R stood besides ASCN until there was nothing left worth standing next to. You guys couldn't even agree on a 'last stand' - that's why Corm and Syncore were still down defending K-9/2-RS while CLS/IXC/etc wanted to defend RIT/5P/GHZ. Noone was willing to sacrifice what was 'theirs', even if it meant losing everything.
For being one of the smaller corps in ASCN, D-R was in the top 10 for kills for the *entire* conflict. For most of the month of December, we were 4th. Tell me again how we betrayed ASCN? Should we stick around the corpse of ASCN, when it can't even make up it's mind on it's deathbed?
Or maybe we should be loyal because of 'what ASCN has done for us'. After all, Cyvok 'built' ASCN right, organizing all the Outposts that were built? Which is why when D-R asked about alliance help to haul and defend the OP we put up, we were told that if we worked hard and quietly, we could do it ourselves in a couple of days, and 'probably noone would even notice'. Well, we did haul it ourselves, with props to the 3-4 CLS guys who volunteered as well all on their own. 14 active members (at the time), 35 days, basically 0 alliance help - ASCN didn't build ZS, Dragon's Rage did.
We paid our dues to ASCN. ASCN is dead. Who then should we give our loyalties to?
Well you shouldn't give them to BOB since they are the ones that destroyed everything you worked for. I'll never understand people that are williing to become the slaves of those who conquer them. All respect I ever had for those corps is now gone. To become BOB lapdogs is beyond lame. Oh and on a tactical note, it would be much easier to defend the RIT area than K9.
Those corps only did what CLS and co did back in Xetic when they made the deal with ATUK and co. to turn on the Xetic alliance and walk away. This is no different, it's just only this time CLS and co are getting the short end of the stick.
You sir are incorrect. They left and formed their own alliance. The didn't surrender and become slaves of one. I still don't see why anyone would defend Xetic. That alliance was a cluster**** and was doomed to die. Of course it seems Cyvok didn't learn those lessons when he formed ASCN.
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Spaja Saist
Gallente Void Engineers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 21:03:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Resipsa Loquitor
Originally by: Spaja Saist Well you shouldn't give them to BOB since they are the ones that destroyed everything you worked for. I'll never understand people that are williing to become the slaves of those who conquer them. All respect I ever had for those corps is now gone. To become BOB lapdogs is beyond lame. Oh and on a tactical note, it would be much easier to defend the RIT area than K9.
Why do you remain so bitter regarding BoB mystifies me. Didn't John McCreedy blacklist you from ASCN months ago for some stupid reason? Aren't you glad he did it now? By the way, if there was any doubt in your mind, your blacklisting was my wake-up call to leave ASCN.
The folks that have decided to remain in Feyt (or Eso or PS) have made a commercial decision - they can make more money from their members and as a corp than the rent costs - and, as we see here, an emotional decision - they want to stay with what they built in an area they are familiar: their "home". So now they pay "rent" as tenants instead "donating" money to ASCN to "support the alliance" that, it appears from what I am reading, didn't do much for them in their opinion.
I think you'll find many people do this in real life - some flee from and some stay and hunker down during disasters and war. In reality, some people cannot see life away from "their home".
So, in reality, what's the issue? That they are willing to pay BoB to keep what they believe is their home? They want to stay in conditions that you might percieve as harsh and yet they somehow find the terms acceptable and, maybe with time, even thrive under them(!)? Or is it that they didn't use their last retrievers and covetors as fast-locking fighter bombers but instead decided to salvage assets so they can strenghten themselves by using their swords as plowshares?
I'm trying to understand better where you are coming from on this because all I hear is anger. Why drive away a tenant that not only wants to use your facilities but make it their "home"? Those are the kind of tenants a landlord dreams of!!!
It's very simple. When a enemy moves in and conquers your country you either fight to the death to drive them out(which would be my way) or you leave and find a new home. I could never live under the banner of a conquering force. There is no way in hell I would pay the same people who just ruined everything I held dear to live in what I already paid to create. And as to ASCN, I don't care one bit about them. BOB I will always hate for many reasons. Your egos being one of my main issues and the fact that you only seem to care about destroying what others build. It's just like the big bully on the block that keeps going around and beating everyone up cause they can. I'm sure you guys really enjoy what you are doing but I have higher standards for my conduct in Eve.
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Gossip
Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.01.02 21:11:00 -
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ASCN was cool to be part off, the spirit on which it was created will never die.. respect to both parties.
Honor & Serve ----
The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless. For if it is formless, no spy can discern it nor the wise make plans against it. Sun Tzu, the art of war
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Shinboner
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Posted - 2007.01.02 21:16:00 -
[188]
Congrats to BoB although it pains me to say that, never would i have thought that ASCN a power alliance would have gone down to BoB, not when you look at the members.
ASCN didn't/haven't died they just imploded. They got to big for themselves and got taken down by a better PvP alliance, If you weren't a huge industrial corp they didn't wont to know you. VTIL and ANZAC spring to mind only 30-40 dedicated pilot corp's but not industrial ASCN didn't want to know about them.
SO to ASCN you can build ships like they are going outta fashion, pity you lost them just as quick, and where was your industrial might then?
To BoB well done, but nobody likes your alliance or the way you conduct yourself. Enjoy your victory, one day you might forget all the little people that got you to were you are.
P.S give them hell at the alamo :)
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Darth Zion
Minmatar Deltaflux Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.02 21:17:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Spaja Saist
Originally by: Darth Zion
Originally by: Spaja Saist
Originally by: iqplayer Edited by: iqplayer on 02/01/2007 16:32:03
Originally by: Danari I love war. It evaporates irrelevance and exposes the true nature of every corporation and member involved. Teamspeak is the ultimate soothsayer.
It doesn't appear to be documented in here that CORM, AWECO and D-R have announced agreeing to become bob pets.
Syncore exited the conflict today upon the fall of Deja's Dungeon. Fittingly, Hakim payed us a visit as we were packing our last bags and left the handsomest prize I've ever seen drop in this game.
Good times, great fun, nothing but fond memories.
Well, I knew someone would feel they had to make a comment somewhere along the way. Meh, then again, you weren't even first, were you, as Cyvok beat you to it?
D-R stood besides ASCN until there was nothing left worth standing next to. You guys couldn't even agree on a 'last stand' - that's why Corm and Syncore were still down defending K-9/2-RS while CLS/IXC/etc wanted to defend RIT/5P/GHZ. Noone was willing to sacrifice what was 'theirs', even if it meant losing everything.
For being one of the smaller corps in ASCN, D-R was in the top 10 for kills for the *entire* conflict. For most of the month of December, we were 4th. Tell me again how we betrayed ASCN? Should we stick around the corpse of ASCN, when it can't even make up it's mind on it's deathbed?
Or maybe we should be loyal because of 'what ASCN has done for us'. After all, Cyvok 'built' ASCN right, organizing all the Outposts that were built? Which is why when D-R asked about alliance help to haul and defend the OP we put up, we were told that if we worked hard and quietly, we could do it ourselves in a couple of days, and 'probably noone would even notice'. Well, we did haul it ourselves, with props to the 3-4 CLS guys who volunteered as well all on their own. 14 active members (at the time), 35 days, basically 0 alliance help - ASCN didn't build ZS, Dragon's Rage did.
We paid our dues to ASCN. ASCN is dead. Who then should we give our loyalties to?
Well you shouldn't give them to BOB since they are the ones that destroyed everything you worked for. I'll never understand people that are williing to become the slaves of those who conquer them. All respect I ever had for those corps is now gone. To become BOB lapdogs is beyond lame. Oh and on a tactical note, it would be much easier to defend the RIT area than K9.
Those corps only did what CLS and co did back in Xetic when they made the deal with ATUK and co. to turn on the Xetic alliance and walk away. This is no different, it's just only this time CLS and co are getting the short end of the stick.
You sir are incorrect. They left and formed their own alliance. The didn't surrender and become slaves of one. I still don't see why anyone would defend Xetic. That alliance was a cluster**** and was doomed to die. Of course it seems Cyvok didn't learn those lessons when he formed ASCN.
Who is defending Xetic? CLS took a deal to be left alone by ATUK and co and form a new alliance. Did they surrender? Just because they weren't paying them to stay does not mean they didn't surrender. That's a matter of preception. Hell it could be argued that ATUK let them live so that they could build Feya up, who knows. But the fact of the matter is the conquerers of Xetic came back to conquer ASCN albeit in a different alliance. Surrender or no surrender many corps jumped ship on ASCN just like CLS and co did for Xetic. 'Leaving' or 'surrendering' just means in the end you are giving up on an ideal you believed in and are now adapting.
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iqplayer
Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.01.02 21:27:00 -
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Edited by: iqplayer on 02/01/2007 21:27:47
Originally by: Spaja Saist
It's very simple. When a enemy moves in and conquers your country you either fight to the death to drive them out(which would be my way) or you leave and find a new home. I could never live under the banner of a conquering force. There is no way in hell I would pay the same people who just ruined everything I held dear to live in what I already paid to create. And as to ASCN, I don't care one bit about them. BOB I will always hate for many reasons. Your egos being one of my main issues and the fact that you only seem to care about destroying what others build. It's just like the big bully on the block that keeps going around and beating everyone up cause they can. I'm sure you guys really enjoy what you are doing but I have higher standards for my conduct in Eve.
It seems to me that there are two types of players in Eve - those who play as a straight game of PvP/conquest, and those who don't.
I'm not the type of person that blows stuff up, or conquers it, for the heck of it either. But if this war has shown anything, it's that the pure Conquerors will beat the hybrid Industrialists. So, if you're an industrialist, what do you do?
Some would say that honor and reputation are the more important factor. I say look beyond your emotions, and you'll see that fighting to the last breath may *look* noble, but fighting a lost cause doesn't get you a whole lot except a bloody nose.
My point in all this, is that the corps who are choosing their fate now aren't the traitors. There's nothing left to betray. I respect the fact that some would never choose that path that I've taken. That's your choice. Right? Wrong? I submit that those trying to define actions at this stage by such absolute definitions have their vision distorted by their own opinions.
To be frank, a *couple* of corporations left Xetic to form ASCN. They promised a 'fresh start' where things would be different. I, along with several others, listened and believed - we joined.
We were betrayed.
There's a lot of finger pointing going on now as to who was at fault. Someone (I forget who posted it) said there's blame to be found all around, and that's partially true. But in a Dictatorship, where one person is responsible for all the decisions, who carries the weight of success, or failure?
Some might say that I'm just kissing up to the victor. I say that my actions are proof that what I'm telling you is correct. Bob is not perfect either, but they've shown themselves to be better than ASCN.
Anyways, I'm done digging dirt. I wouldn't have done it at all, had certain parties not wanted to try to color the story with their own convictions. All that remains is the eulogy.
RIP ASCN - may Eve remember your glory days moreso than your bitter end.
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john roe
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 21:42:00 -
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Edited by: john roe on 02/01/2007 21:42:19 "All under Heaven." / ying.xiong / hero.movie(2002)
adieu
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Gericault m0id
Contention Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.02 21:43:00 -
[192]
Long time reader, (almost) first time poster.
I expected ASCN to pull something great out of the sleeve until the end. The good thing to come out of this, however, is that many residents of new eden has turned against the steam-roller that is BoB and I hope the remnants of ASCN together with the freedom fighters fighters of our galaxy turns against this universal threat.
Let the guerilla warfare commence.
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Olgzr
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.02 21:58:00 -
[193]
CCP stands for crowd control productions..right? You think ASCN being brought down so easy was a fluke? CCP just told about 2000 paying customers..screw you.
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Resipsa Loquitor
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 21:59:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Spaja Saist It's very simple. When a enemy moves in and conquers your country you either fight to the death to drive them out(which would be my way) or you leave and find a new home. I could never live under the banner of a conquering force. There is no way in hell I would pay the same people who just ruined everything I held dear to live in what I already paid to create.
There is a third way: live where you've chosen to live regardless of banner. I think you'd find that most people fall into this category naturally and that most people reach "mental accomodation" with their surroundings and situations. Few flee and fewer fight.
Originally by: Spaja Saist BOB I will always hate for many reasons.
Oh, don't be a h8er!
Originally by: Spaja Saist Your egos being one of my main issues and the fact that you only seem to care about destroying what others build. It's just like the big bully on the block that keeps going around and beating everyone up cause they can. I'm sure you guys really enjoy what you are doing but I have higher standards for my conduct in Eve.
*sigh* I think I'll have to quote HAL 9000 from 2001: A Space Odyssey on this one:
Originally by: HAL 9000 Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.
--- John McCreedy and EDF never paid their complex runners for the 100s of billions gathered in the name of EDF and ASCN. Who's the slave master now, McGreedy? Where's the money? Pay ARC! |
rocka
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.02 22:12:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Olgzr CCP stands for crowd control productions..right? You think ASCN being brought down so easy was a fluke? CCP just told about 2000 paying customers..screw you.
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Herculite
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.02 22:18:00 -
[196]
When your alliance leader quits mid war, who is betrayed? (I wonder if he was blacklisted for leaving mid war eh?)
Most ASCN corps were no different than renter corps in BoB. The alliance skimmed with taxes etc, and in the end they got nothing for it. From what I can see, BoB does favor alliances/corps willing to fight for their space and I'm sure that deals can be worked out that are not much different than they had under ASCN.
ASCN loved to toss out the term 'slave' corp about all of their enemies. G/Iron was all slave corps, BoB has their 'slave' corps, any corp that wasn't part of the alliance directly were 'slave corps'. In the end how does this differ from most people in ASCN? You pay your taxes 'to the man' and get the right to live in that space, and fight for it.
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Hashi Lebwohl
Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.01.02 22:50:00 -
[197]
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Herculite
Originally by: Feek I left ASCN before the war started and have made a big discovery since. ASCN space was the only real true Player-owned Empire in the game. One of the things I've done since I left is to go for a tour around a lot 0.0 and ASCN were way ahead of anyone else in the way their markets were filled and escrow was populated with goodies.
It's a shame, a real shame.
ASCN had a good market, hell it had a great market for most things.
But I'd change how you said that. ASCN was the only player owned empire that felt like you were in the NPC empires. This is part of what led to the downfall as it bored many PvPers to other corps. Outside of Tribal Souls, ASCN seemed to pride itself on being aggressively non-expansionist. Most of the types of players who win wars are not the types of players who measure their fun by ore and outposts. Those might be important, but the fun is the combat and drama around conquest.
Which is why perhaps the victor would be wise leaving someone alive to retain a Aztec Tlaxcala type symbiosis. Perhaps that'll be the fate of Prime Orbital Systems.
I do not think so - BoB are currently showing us the error of our ways. Building outposts and creating markets in 0.0 space is so 2006.
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Olgzr
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.02 22:56:00 -
[198]
Edited by: Olgzr on 02/01/2007 22:58:24 Edited by: Olgzr on 02/01/2007 22:57:45
Originally by: rocka
Originally by: Olgzr CCP stands for crowd control productions..right? You think ASCN being brought down so easy was a fluke? CCP just told about 2000 paying customers..screw you.
this is a joke right? if not wtf u blaim ccp for loosing this war
nope..its one reason I suspended my accounts
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Danari
Amarr Syncore
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Posted - 2007.01.02 23:35:00 -
[199]
Edited by: Danari on 02/01/2007 23:35:44 I know why the caged birds sings, ah me, When his wing is bruised and his bosom sore, When he beats his bars and would be free; It is not a carol of joy or glee, But a prayer that he sends from his heart's deep core, But a plea, that upward to Heaven he flings - I know why the caged bird sings.
-- Paul Laurence Dunbar
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Drakma
Gekidoku
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Posted - 2007.01.03 00:02:00 -
[200]
Edited by: Drakma on 03/01/2007 00:03:43
Originally by: Sir Kad As some others have said, mixed emotions. Been through the fall of Xetic and the rise of the ASCN empire. Never thought it would fall this quickly... GL to you all. HONOR and SERVE!
When are you coming home kad??? New Sig Coming |
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Liet Traep
Minmatar Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.03 00:07:00 -
[201]
Edited by: Liet Traep on 03/01/2007 00:07:31 I'm sure this was a tough post for Gungan. Much respect to those who are sticking it out with ASCN. Takes a lot of heart to do so.
(Longwinded Rambling Bits To Follow......)
I think ASCN was flawed though from the beginning. No matter what those who took part it in say ASCN was formed out of a betrayal of Xetic. ASCN members past and present will and have argued that Xetic deserved to die. But betrayal no matter the name is betrayal. And the former enemies that ASCN tossed in with turned out long term not to be good allies. When push came to shove you betrayed your friends and tossed in with your enemies. Then later on they turn on you when they have no more use for you. The decisions you made in forming ASCN came back to haunt you.
Tribal Souls. Once again you took friends and made them into enemies. And once again you established ASCN's reputation for betrayal. When BoB came for you who stood with you? Your strongest allies, your brothers in arms were occupied with Axe. And you were out of other friends. Towards the end your only hope would be that old enemies from the north would intervene. I hoped that d2 would actually but i was not suprised when they didn't.
ASCN betrayed their friends and made friends with their enemies and paid the price for it down the line.
Here's the good part. You haven't given up. no one can kill your alliance but you. Whether you reform in empire or in Stain or Syndicate or somewhere else you have a chance rebuild. Hopefully you'll have learned the lessons of Xetic and ASCN 1.0 and take the strong core group of players left and rebuild. I know Virt and like him a lot. I think ASCN could do worse. Stop playing the traitor's game, rebuild your focus primarily around a strong pvp group, maybe make peace with some old enemies and who knows in a few months you can reconquer your lost territories. It's been done before. Look at RA. look at how many times PA came back. ASCN is down but not out. How you guys bounce back from this setback could make Eve history. :)
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Flapp
Dog Tags
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Posted - 2007.01.03 00:22:00 -
[202]
Curse Alliance no longer exists, but those dual MWD cruisers won't be forgotten as long as EvE will continue.
Ascendant Frontier will cease to exist once Alamo is conquered, but the word will not be forgotten.
Achievements and mistakes alike, ASCN will be an example and guiding line as well as a measure for any future operations in the South.
Alliances grow, Alliances fall, this is the nature of the game.
(Oh, and on the personal side: If anyone of Exceed is on, hug Effei for me!)
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Die Ene
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 00:31:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Olgzr CCP stands for crowd control productions..right? You think ASCN being brought down so easy was a fluke? CCP just told about 2000 paying customers..screw you.
Whats this now ? CCP's fault your alliance was a mess?
Sorry, I had to chuckle at this one
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Red Six
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 01:05:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Olgzr CCP stands for crowd control productions..right? You think ASCN being brought down so easy was a fluke? CCP just told about 2000 paying customers..screw you.
You know that may just qualify as the stupidest ******* thing I've read in 3+ years on these forums. You lost the fight for various reasons others have stated and still you blame others and whine worse than my five year old instead of seeing the truth of the situation. CCP is not at fault for ASCN losing, ASCN is and if you still can't figure that out then well...
Originally by: Eridu Fallen
Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it *is* the ugly stick.
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Bainie
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Posted - 2007.01.03 01:13:00 -
[205]
It is funny to read through this as I see two different types of players really in EVE. The first are those who are BoB members or muppets thereof, supported by them, or otherwise somehow in league with them.
The second group comprises of those who do not like BoB the bully at all, some despise, some downright loathe them. This group is much more diverse and varied a cross section than the former. They consist of those that may have been turned off by the famed BoB arrogance (I am not disputing whether said arrogance is deserved or founded on past accomplishments or not.), or rather those that lost a war to the very skilled war machine of BoB (which is marvelously efficient), or the third group that chooses to hate BoB because everyone else says they should because everyone else does.
There will surely come a time when a trifecta of things will come to bear, 1. BoB will become too big and too spread out in their dominion...or claims of such, 2. they will continually beat up every other kid or groups of kids in the school...which constantly reinforces their enemies by adding to that category of those who dont like them (eventually the bully always gets the **** kicked out of them by someone bigger or by 15 smaller kids tired of taking it)...and finally 3. at one point they may begin to buy into a lot of that horse**** propaganda or aura that BoB is invincible themselves and cannot ever be touched...which will fester as a canker of complacency and haughtiness until one day they wake up and realize that they just lost Delve to 400 other corps in EVE who all hate them. I have fought BoB many a time, I have respect for the pilots I have seen and fought, they are top notch and professional...for the majority of the time. I know the origin of BoB as well as a lot of those responsible for it's creation. This isnt a flame...and I hate to get off topic, but I just wanted to call it how I see it in the coming time for BoB. I am posting with an alt as I feel no need to bring down flack for those in my corp, alliance or otherwise for a purely subjective opinion. I dont much care if you flame this or not...as I likely wont read any of your responses or check back on this post at all. Take it for what it is worth...a prediction from a student of history.
They are top dog now in the EVE PVP game...but as all of the internal EVE history of alliances show...and all history of antiquity and war...every great dynasty falls...it is just a matter of when and how hard they go down, and what the cause may be...be it war or internal decay.
BoB's days are numbered, just as it sounds like ASCN's are as well. I just think ASCN has less by the sound of things.
I respect both alliances and wish all of ASCN the best of luck.
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Arenis Xemdal
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 02:12:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Disrespectful to the end. They're heroes in my book even if it meant only downing you once. Utter lack of class.
You are ignorant of the situation, and of the people we fight.
'Heroes under a leadership with ulterior motives' could summarize the entire war justly.
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Havras
The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 02:39:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Disrespectful to the end. They're heroes in my book even if it meant only downing you once. Utter lack of class.
You are ignorant of the situation, and of the people we fight.
'Heroes under a leadership with ulterior motives' could summarize the entire war justly.
Some people insist on living in the past.
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MuthaTrucka
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 02:51:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Havras
Some people insist on living in the past.
WHERE IN HADES ARE THE MISSING XETIC MINERALS!
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
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Brunswick2
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 02:53:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Olgzr CCP stands for crowd control productions..right? You think ASCN being brought down so easy was a fluke? CCP just told about 2000 paying customers..screw you.
Umm, I'm just going to make this clear that that statement does not represent the views of his corporation or alliance. --------------------------------- Bah, I broke my edited sig!
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Voltron
Caldari Black Lance Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.03 03:59:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Brunswick2
Originally by: Olgzr CCP stands for crowd control productions..right? You think ASCN being brought down so easy was a fluke? CCP just told about 2000 paying customers..screw you.
Umm, I'm just going to make this clear that that statement does not represent the views of his corporation or alliance.
Very good to hear, though to be honest I sincerely doubt that anyone thought those ASCN involved in "THE LAST STAND" shared that chaps viewpoint.
Seriously.....wtf.......CCP caused the loss of the war? bull, same fate as be-fell xetic. Olgzr is just ticked that a "new alliance" isn't being born out of the ashes immediately so he can get back to mining right away.
Volt It's great touching your own dink isn't it?
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Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 04:29:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Olgzr CCP stands for crowd control productions..right? You think ASCN being brought down so easy was a fluke? CCP just told about 2000 paying customers..screw you.
Some people think so highly of themselves that they find the idea of losing so unacceptable and inconceivable that when it happens, it must be because of something they have no control over. These are the same type that would rather destroy the game than concede defeat.
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Taedrin
Gallente Mercatoris Technologies
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Posted - 2007.01.03 06:00:00 -
[212]
So, it seems that it is finally safe to say that BoB has won. I now ask ASCN, what next? Does ASCN disband, and all members go their seperate ways? Do they retreat to Empire and rebuild their once glorious alliance? Do they learn the lessons taught by war?
I am interested in learning how ASCN will handle their defeat.
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bigsteve
Minmatar STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.03 07:12:00 -
[213]
Good going, guys.
The longer you keep BoB busy removing you from Feyth, the longer Bob's Other enemy have time to grow stronger.
Go get them guys, The Light Will Prevail in the End.
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Shiryiu
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.03 07:51:00 -
[214]
Edited by: Shiryiu on 03/01/2007 07:52:56 Right,
Everyone knows who played dirty and who played fair. Luckily I don't have to live with it
Originally by: Klaryssa The Last Stand.
Good luck in your future endeavours.
PS. Burn that a**hole who blamed everyone but himself.
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velana
The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 08:49:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Olgzr CCP stands for crowd control productions..right? You think ASCN being brought down so easy was a fluke? CCP just told about 2000 paying customers..screw you.
Man lay down the acid, its not doing you any favors. Apart from making me laught that post is good for nothing and couldn't be further from the truth.
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Belial02
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.03 09:04:00 -
[216]
Congrats to last ASCN members fighting till the end.
Congrats to BoB for achieving this.
Cheers guys.
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Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.03 09:41:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Olgzr CCP stands for crowd control productions..right? You think ASCN being brought down so easy was a fluke? CCP just told about 2000 paying customers..screw you.
Wow just wow. That take delusional to a whole new level.
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Gabba
Species 5618
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Posted - 2007.01.03 11:36:00 -
[218]
Would have been nice if CCP did something about posting private alliance correspondance before BoB fell prey to it. ASCN had to read the drivel for 3 months, but when Bob forums is compromised its removed withing the hour and immediately forbidden to do so. Other then that i guess ASCN's time was just up.
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AvanCade
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 11:47:00 -
[219]
Pathetic tbh, so much talk about last stand and all, and now the op is looking for a new corp;
Shame
Less talk and more action in the future please.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 11:49:00 -
[220]
Originally by: AvanCade Pathetic tbh, so much talk about last stand and all, and now the op is looking for a new corp;
Shame
Less talk and more action in the future please.
OMG thats hillarious..... maybe that can go in Gonadsak's last stand movie.... that would be funneh.
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Sir JoJo
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 11:52:00 -
[221]
Originally by: AvanCade Pathetic tbh, so much talk about last stand and all, and now the op is looking for a new corp;
Shame
Less talk and more action in the future please.
That made me chuckle a bit ;)
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Gungankllr
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:12:00 -
[222]
I'll respond to this, since everyone feels the need to troll me about it.
I had access to free ships in RIT, and as you all know clones are cheap now. (4 mill each for me)
I was offered a corp dread.
I had asked if I could put up a POS (My own, and not even in Feythabolis) to make some extra isk running BPC copies and doing ME research.
I was told that since I could be a deep cover spy, that I couldn't be trusted with POS access.
After all I've been through for this alliance, I find it absolutely ridiculous that they would for a moment think I would have done anything to harm ASCN, or be a spy for that matter.
You'll forgive me if I wash my hands of this mess.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:15:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Gungankllr
I was told that since I could be a deep cover spy, that I couldn't be trusted with POS access.
After all I've been through for this alliance, I find it absolutely ridiculous that they would for a moment think I would have done anything to harm ASCN, or be a spy for that matter.
You'll forgive me if I wash my hands of this mess.
Oh dear.... I'm sorry I laughed at your expense GK... thats just unbelievable.
Here is a laugh for the guys that accused you...
I told you way back mate.. you deserve so much better.
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Drakma
Gekidoku
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:08:00 -
[224]
Edited by: Drakma on 03/01/2007 14:11:11
Originally by: Gungankllr I'll respond to this, since everyone feels the need to troll me about it.
I had access to free ships in RIT, and as you all know clones are cheap now. (4 mill each for me)
I was offered a corp dread.
I had asked if I could put up a POS (My own, and not even in Feythabolis) to make some extra isk running BPC copies and doing ME research.
I was told that since I could be a deep cover spy, that I couldn't be trusted with POS access.
After all I've been through for this alliance, I find it absolutely ridiculous that they would for a moment think I would have done anything to harm ASCN, or be a spy for that matter.
You'll forgive me if I wash my hands of this mess.
It's now the blame game for ASCN! Welcome to the club mate.
edited for clarity New Sig Coming |
MuthaTrucka
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:39:00 -
[225]
Originally by: Drakma
It's now the blame game for ASCN! Welcome to the club mate.
edited for clarity
you know I just have to say. Whatever was told to Gung about him being a spy the decision was Mine not to let him have rights. I mean no one else really matters, and it comes down to simply policy. Gung is a little Emo as he was thinking his Alliance position somehow equated to a Corp position. Got to love Eve though, everything is Emo and Personal.
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
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Drakma
Gekidoku
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:41:00 -
[226]
Originally by: MuthaTrucka
Originally by: Drakma
It's now the blame game for ASCN! Welcome to the club mate.
edited for clarity
you know I just have to say. Whatever was told to Gung about him being a spy the decision was Mine not to let him have rights. I mean no one else really matters, and it comes down to simply policy. Gung is a little Emo as he was thinking his Alliance position somehow equated to a Corp position. Got to love Eve though, everything is Emo and Personal.
HERESY! New Sig Coming |
Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:48:00 -
[227]
Originally by: MuthaTrucka
Gung is a little Emo as he was thinking his Alliance position somehow equated to a Corp position.
Truly unbelievable... so GunganKllr was the much respected spokesman for ASCN who ate untold buckets of s-h-i-t on the forums for your alliance's benefit, but he is not allowed to have POS access?
Unreal. What did you think that he posed a security risk?. even though it is public knowledge that ASCN and CLS are spy and alt ridden wastes of space.
You make my blood boil.
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Noveron
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:49:00 -
[228]
The thread has turned into something else. I bet its time for a lock.
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Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:58:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Noveron The thread has turned into something else. I bet its time for a lock.
*click*
Oh wait.....
It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it?
EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
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MuthaTrucka
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:03:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: MuthaTrucka
Gung is a little Emo as he was thinking his Alliance position somehow equated to a Corp position.
Truly unbelievable... so GunganKllr was the much respected spokesman for ASCN who ate untold buckets of s-h-i-t on the forums for your alliance's benefit, but he is not allowed to have POS access?
Unreal. What did you think that he posed a security risk?. even though it is public knowledge that ASCN and CLS are spy and alt ridden wastes of space.
You make my blood boil.
I love you too. I never said he was a security risk, I said it was based on policy. I have nothing against him personally as a Corp Member, Alliance position aside he was just that a "Corp Member".
Just for Giggles I will Quote my statement on the CLS forums to Gung
Quote: I'd have to say no at this juncture in time.
Oh I see how that relates to him being a security risk. As too what was said in Corp chat I have no idea and nor do I really care. Like I said the decision was mine and I made it based on policy not any tinfoil hattery. While we are at it Let's look at Gung's Reasons to need the POS role
Quote: I need to get the starbase config role set, I scraped together some isk and I'm trying out putting up a small POS in empire to do blueprint copying/research for some isk on the side.
So now that I am done with my Explanation that you surely do not deserve. I will go back to my waiting for Foyle to return.
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:21:00 -
[231]
Hangon, this story isn't making any sense.... (very little to do with ASCN does)...
Lets go over this.
Originally by: Gungankllr
I was offered a corp dread.
I had asked if I could put up a POS (My own, and not even in Feythabolis) to make some extra isk running BPC copies and doing ME research.
I was told that since I could be a deep cover spy, that I couldn't be trusted with POS access.
Gungan was offered a corp dread?... a substantial piece of kit, but he is not allowed to have pos access? why not? .... k it doesn't really matter.. its ASCN logic... no problem.
Another thing that baffles me...
Originally by: MuthaTrucka
Oh I see how that relates to him being a security risk. As too what was said in Corp chat I have no idea and nor do I really care. Like I said the decision was mine and I made it based on policy not any tinfoil hattery. While we are at it Let's look at Gung's Reasons to need the POS role
Originally by: Gunganllr I need to get the starbase config role set, I scraped together some isk and I'm trying out putting up a small POS in empire to do blueprint copying/research for some isk on the side.
So now that I am done with my Explanation that you surely do not deserve. I will go back to my waiting for Foyle to return.
Why did gungan need pos roles to setup a POS in empire? I mean he could have setup a personal POS without putting one up for the corp... at least thats how I remember it works.
But all this is actually irrelevant.
How can you refuse somebody like GK who has been your public face for months now.. and providing the only shred of credibility ASCN has... how can you refuse him a simple request like POS access?... whatever the purpose was. Corp policy.. gah.. you gotta be kidding.
I mean this whole 'alamo' stunt was your last chance of walking away from this war with even the slightest bit of pride left.
ASCN made a pigs ear out of everything.. to the very last.. GG.
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Farham
Gallente AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:25:00 -
[232]
Quote: Gungan was offered a corp dread?... a substantial piece of kit, but he is not allowed to have pos access? why not? .... k it doesn't really matter.. its ASCN logic... no problem.
Not falling on one side or the other I can understand making a Dred available and not POS access.
Ask EDF the difference in cost between a Dred and 9 POSes, the fuel to run them and a station in terms of cost and morale.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:31:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Farham
Quote: Gungan was offered a corp dread?... a substantial piece of kit, but he is not allowed to have pos access? why not? .... k it doesn't really matter.. its ASCN logic... no problem.
Not falling on one side or the other I can understand making a Dred available and not POS access.
Ask EDF the difference in cost between a Dred and 9 POSes, the fuel to run them and a station in terms of cost and morale.
Ahh comeon.. look at ASCN's situation.. they are going down. Its GAME OVER. Any POS they have they should be pulling down so BoB doesn't blow them up. Right now a dread is probably worth more than all the POS that ASCN don't pull down ASAP.
ASCN POS still standing are worth zilch.
Its finito... the end. Lights out.. good night.
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MuthaTrucka
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:34:00 -
[234]
Nez, Next time someone asks for POS rights I will be sure to Convo you and ask your permission. I am sure that will make you much more tractable in the future. As to your Feelings on my Pride, they really don't matter. Policy is nice because it makes no distinctions for personal feelings. It simply is. Now story time is over, maybe later I will regale you with stories of other people that didn't get rights to the POS.
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:39:00 -
[235]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Hangon, this story isn't making any sense.... (very little to do with ASCN does)...
Lets go over this.
Originally by: Gungankllr
I was offered a corp dread.
I had asked if I could put up a POS (My own, and not even in Feythabolis) to make some extra isk running BPC copies and doing ME research.
I was told that since I could be a deep cover spy, that I couldn't be trusted with POS access.
Gungan was offered a corp dread?... a substantial piece of kit, but he is not allowed to have pos access? why not? .... k it doesn't really matter.. its ASCN logic... no problem.
Another thing that baffles me...
Originally by: MuthaTrucka
Oh I see how that relates to him being a security risk. As too what was said in Corp chat I have no idea and nor do I really care. Like I said the decision was mine and I made it based on policy not any tinfoil hattery. While we are at it Let's look at Gung's Reasons to need the POS role
Originally by: Gunganllr I need to get the starbase config role set, I scraped together some isk and I'm trying out putting up a small POS in empire to do blueprint copying/research for some isk on the side.
So now that I am done with my Explanation that you surely do not deserve. I will go back to my waiting for Foyle to return.
Why did gungan need pos roles to setup a POS in empire? I mean he could have setup a personal POS without putting one up for the corp... at least thats how I remember it works.
But all this is actually irrelevant.
How can you refuse somebody like GK who has been your public face for months now.. and providing the only shred of credibility ASCN has... how can you refuse him a simple request like POS access?... whatever the purpose was. Corp policy.. gah.. you gotta be kidding.
I mean this whole 'alamo' stunt was your last chance of walking away from this war with even the slightest bit of pride left.
ASCN made a pigs ear out of everything.. to the very last.. GG.
Is there a bigger **** stirrer on these forums than you?
Did you not read what happened in 00Y?
In our corp we have a grand total of 2 people that have POS access for very good reason.
If you do not absolutely need to have access then you dont ask for it and even if you do you dont get it.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:02:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry
Is there a bigger **** stirrer on these forums than you?
I do like to find **** and hold it up and so that people can see it for what it is..... yeah... bite meh.
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry
Did you not read what happened in 00Y?
I found an idiom just for you:
Closing the stable door after the horse has bolted
See if you can work out how it applies to your corp...
GK was probably your most precious commodity .. now that's bolted too. You guys are awesome.. seriously.
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vipeer
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:11:00 -
[237]
Nez you clearly have no clue what you are blabbering about so do us all a favor and STFU.
Chaining BoBo in south Feyth:
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Gungaliir
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:28:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Gungankllr I had asked if I could put up a POS (My own, and not even in Feythabolis) to make some extra isk running BPC copies and doing ME research.
I was told that since I could be a deep cover spy, that I couldn't be trusted with POS access.
I wouldnt make such a big thing out of it. Who told you could be a deep cover spy?
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry
Is there a bigger **** stirrer on these forums than you?
I do like to find **** and hold it up and so that people can see it for what it is..... yeah... bite meh.
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry
Did you not read what happened in 00Y?
I found an idiom just for you:
Closing the stable door after the horse has bolted
See if you can work out how it applies to your corp...
GK was probably your most precious commodity .. now that's bolted too. You guys are awesome.. seriously.
"Your most precious commidity"?? As you have already pronounced ASCN dead you must be confusing me with a member of CLS.
With regard to the 00Y comment, the stable in question belonged to EDF, not IXC.
In any event, are you thus suggesting that we should not learn from the mistakes of others? That having seen a corp in our alliance lose a station because the wrong person had POS access we should not seek to limit this risk by restricting access to those with a real need to do so. This is called "learning from 'your' mistakes".
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MuthaTrucka
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:47:00 -
[240]
Ok I thought I had already taken responsibility. So here it is just for Nez, I accept full responsibility for Gung leaving because I did not give him POS rights. I made a decision based on policy he chose to heed the words of people on chat instead of asking the person who made the decision when he got on. It's simply a case of he said, she said without involving the person who made the decision.
Corps and Alliances have policies for a reason, Want is not a good enough reason. Since we are on the Topic of Policies. Policy has no Concept of Right and wrong, it has no concept of feelings, it just is. When and If Policy is not followed and exceptions are granted that is when bad things start happening.
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
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vipeer
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:48:00 -
[241]
Nezzy is here only to stirr **** up. Don't explain anything anymore to him because he is too much covered in **** he's stirring and he can't hear you.
From the first post i saw by Nezie and untill this day it has always been about how ASCN and the member corps suck etc.
Sad boy bent on destruction via forum war. Get a life NezBoy. If that is out of reach find a tall building...
Sad thing is you yourself are unable to build something bigger than a sandwich so you spend your life smearing people better than you. Which is it?: Attention span of a Goldfish? Conflictive personality? Disruptive personality? Somekind of untreatable mental disorder? Treatable mental disorder but you forgot to take Lithium? General hatred toward any alliance that starts with a letter A? General hatred? Or you just hate the fact that ASCN flourished where you failed miserably? BoB member?
Chaining BoBo in south Feyth:
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File
Gallente eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:52:00 -
[242]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Oh he didnt the need the rights?.... so why did he ask for them?.... furthermore why did he walk away with the impression that he was untrustworthy?.... after giving his all for the cause
It doesn't make any sense.
Is anybody in CLS gonna take reponsablity for that?... or is it gonna be a case of..
Corp policy mate.. nothing we could do.. he is an emo.
I mean WTF.
Well umm. Yeah. He didn't need the rights. He asked for them because he WANTED them to research a BPO so he could make some money. He wanted the rights for a personal POS. He did not need them because he was not invovled in deploying CLS POS's etc.
I am certain you understand the difference between needing POS rights because you are doing somethingfor the corp vs wanting them so you can achieve personal goals.
Just because the person in question happened to be a somewhat high profile member does not change the fact that he did not need the rights. If CLS were to hand out POS rights to everyone who wanted to research BPOs they might as well offline their POSes themselves.
Keep in mind, I am not in CLS and I do not speak for them. I am merly trying to explain to you something that really should be obvious.
As to why GK took it personally, I do not know. I am not in CLS nor do I know the full events. But I would be quite disturbed if CLS were to start handing out POS rights just so someone can plop down a small POS and do some research - no matter how well know, respected, or dedicated they are.
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MuthaTrucka
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:53:00 -
[243]
Originally by: vipeer Nezzy is here only to stirr **** up. Don't explain anything anymore to him because he is too much covered in **** he's stirring and he can't hear you.
I enjoy the stimulating conversation on Policy. My Personal Feelings have nothing to do with my conversing in the forums, nor does Respect come into play, merely common decency. Even if there is really no Debate whatsoever. It amuses me the lengths someone will go to try and get a emotional reaction from me.
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
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Noveron
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:56:00 -
[244]
Originally by: MuthaTrucka
Originally by: vipeer Nezzy is here only to stirr **** up. Don't explain anything anymore to him because he is too much covered in **** he's stirring and he can't hear you.
I enjoy the stimulating conversation on Policy. My Personal Feelings have nothing to do with my conversing in the forums, nor does Respect come into play, merely common decency. Even if there is really no Debate whatsoever. It amuses me the lengths someone will go to try and get a emotional reaction from me.
Maybe Nez Perces wants to offer him the roles to put up a POS in empire under his corp flag, as he insists so much.
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Al Haquis
Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:57:00 -
[245]
Originally by: vipeer Nezzy is here only to stirr **** up. Don't explain anything anymore to him because he is too much covered in **** he's stirring and he can't hear you.
From the first post i saw by Nezie and untill this day it has always been about how ASCN and the member corps suck etc.
Sad boy bent on destruction via forum war. Get a life NezBoy. If that is out of reach find a tall building...
Sad thing is you yourself are unable to build something bigger than a sandwich so you spend your life smearing people better than you. Which is it?: Attention span of a Goldfish? Conflictive personality? Disruptive personality? Somekind of untreatable mental disorder? Treatable mental disorder but you forgot to take Lithium? General hatred toward any alliance that starts with a letter A? General hatred? Or you just hate the fact that ASCN flourished where you failed miserably? BoB member?
Mate Step away from the keyboard. Really take a look at your post and dont post again.
And there are worse Trolls lurking in the dark , and you just summoned them.
With love from Al Haquis
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MuthaTrucka
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:59:00 -
[246]
I love trolls, with their tiny little feet and cool up swept neon hair.
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
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Drakma
Gekidoku
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:03:00 -
[247]
Originally by: MuthaTrucka I love trolls, with their tiny little feet and cool up swept neon hair.
Careful, you're showing emotion.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:05:00 -
[248]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/01/2007 17:07:43
Originally by: MuthaTrucka Ok I thought I had already taken responsibility. So here it is just for Nez, I accept full responsibility for Gung leaving because I did not give him POS rights. I made a decision based on policy he chose to heed the words of people on chat instead of asking the person who made the decision when he got on. It's simply a case of he said, she said without involving the person who made the decision.
K thankyou for your kind response.... things are becoming clearer now.
So.. GK asks for POS rights.. you as his superior decide, within corporate guidlines, that he doesn't need them. Fine.
GK appears to talk to some people in corp chat.. and they tell him mistakenly that he could be a spy? or something weird like that? GK gets upset and leaves the corp before your "last stand".
Now this begs the question.. why didnt somebody explain to him the facts of the matter? and get him to reconsider. Unless GK has simply gone overboard and is no longer thinking clearly.
All the attention for ASCN should be on your heroic last stand, instead the man who announced it has walked off in disgrace/disappointment.
Even the most zealous ASCN die hard, must agree that something is amiss here. Either GK has lost it a bit.. or this is not the whole story. And if you don't understand why this is important.. you are truly beyond help.
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Arenis Xemdal
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:07:00 -
[249]
Gekidoku oddly resembles Reikoku.
Stockholm?
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SamuraiJack
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:09:00 -
[250]
Blame CCP.
Blame the fact that you require POS's to hold systems. Blame the fact that the role is an ALL or NOTHING role.
There is no "POS for Self" Role.
The Role is Either POS YES or POS NO.
Given that certain ppl have been offlining POSs for hostiles then the role is restricted.
Now add to this fact that THIS problem and MANY others have been laid at CCP's Feet for a good YEAR PLUS!
Corp tools, More roles, more subdivision. Bluntly the ABILITY to acutally set multiple levels of responsiblity rather than all or nothing.
And ccp... finally gave us... last logged on in Kali.
Go figure. Oh sorry. I forget its PvP in space.
You builders missioners... You are just cannon fodder for the PvP Gods...
/cynical bastard mode off.
SJ. ASCN HC Community Manager ASCN Diplomat CLS Director =-
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Riddari
Gekidoku
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:09:00 -
[251]
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal Gekidoku oddly resembles Reikoku.
Stockholm?
More like Tokyo.
Ľ+Ľ a history |
Havras
The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:10:00 -
[252]
Edited by: Havras on 03/01/2007 17:13:27
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry
Is there a bigger **** stirrer on these forums than you?
I do like to find **** and hold it up and so that people can see it for what it is..... yeah... bite meh.
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry
Did you not read what happened in 00Y?
I found an idiom just for you:
Closing the stable door after the horse has bolted
See if you can work out how it applies to your corp...
GK was probably your most precious commodity .. now that's bolted too. You guys are awesome.. seriously.
Nez... stop... just stop. Everybody and their brother, including you, lambasted EDF over the OOY thing and the way their POS' were managed.
Now you are roasting corps who always had and have proper security policies on who has access to their POS. REGARDLESS of the state of ASCN those policies in the remaining corps were in place before the fall of OOY. Hell, I've been in no other alliance but ASCN since I created my first character.. only 2 corps in that time and I barely have rights to the ship fittings hangar. lol.
Stop looking for something to bash the remnants of ASCN over the head with.. because you know that if POSes in the Triangle suddenly got offlined by a single person you would be all over it like flies on stink bashing the corp for NOT maintaining tighter roles security.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:15:00 -
[253]
Originally by: Havras
Stop looking for something to bash the remnants of ASCN over the head with.. because you know that if POSes in the Triangle suddenly got offlined by a single person you would be all over it like flies on stink bashing the corp for NOT maintaining tighter roles security.
Tell you what.. I have 2 bil in my wallet.... I'll bet everything I own including my Navy Apoc that I sweated 4 months for with my agent.. that GK would cut his right hand off before offlining any ASCN pos.
As for bashing ASCN over the head with stuff... you don't need me, you guys do that fine just by yourselves.
I didnt post in this thread till the GK thing came up.... and I'll be struck down by lighting, if he can't walk away from this whole thing with his head held up high.
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Riddari
Gekidoku
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:19:00 -
[254]
As for Gungankllr, I knew BOB were taking the mickey by congratulating ASCN on selecting him as the spokesman back in the days...
Ľ+Ľ a history |
Noveron
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:25:00 -
[255]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Havras
Stop looking for something to bash the remnants of ASCN over the head with.. because you know that if POSes in the Triangle suddenly got offlined by a single person you would be all over it like flies on stink bashing the corp for NOT maintaining tighter roles security.
Tell you what.. I have 2 bil in my wallet.... I'll bet everything I own including my Navy Apoc that I sweated 4 months for with my agent.. that GK would cut his right hand off before offlining any ASCN pos.
As for bashing ASCN over the head with stuff... you don't need me, you guys do that fine just by yourselves.
I didnt post in this thread till the GK thing came up.... and I'll be struck down by lighting, if he can't walk away from this whole thing with his head held up high.
Offer him the POS role in your corp pal if it disturbs you so much..after all you know he can be trusted.
Shame on him for bringing this to eve-o instead of talking directly to MT.. btw.
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MuthaTrucka
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:28:00 -
[256]
Is it tinfoil hat time yet?
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
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Helen
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:30:00 -
[257]
You missed the boat MT it was tinfoil hat time months ago.
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:36:00 -
[258]
EMO FTW! --------------------------------
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MuthaTrucka
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:37:00 -
[259]
Originally by: Helen You missed the boat MT it was tinfoil hat time months ago.
/me puts away the tinfoil hat
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
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vipeer
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:38:00 -
[260]
Edited by: vipeer on 03/01/2007 17:56:57 Nezzie is there a post on whole EVE-o forums that is about ASCN and is positive or even just neutral?
Every piece of your "work" i have seen is smear smear smear ASCN.
You aren't defending anyone here. You are raising a debate on an undebatable issue.
edited for a spelling error Chaining BoBo in south Feyth:
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Havras
The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:40:00 -
[261]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Havras
Stop looking for something to bash the remnants of ASCN over the head with.. because you know that if POSes in the Triangle suddenly got offlined by a single person you would be all over it like flies on stink bashing the corp for NOT maintaining tighter roles security.
Tell you what.. I have 2 bil in my wallet.... I'll bet everything I own including my Navy Apoc that I sweated 4 months for with my agent.. that GK would cut his right hand off before offlining any ASCN pos.
As for bashing ASCN over the head with stuff... you don't need me, you guys do that fine just by yourselves.
I didnt post in this thread till the GK thing came up.... and I'll be struck down by lighting, if he can't walk away from this whole thing with his head held up high.
Nice Nez.. real nice. Completely ignore the valid points I made in the beginning of my post and just respond to the last paragraph.
This has nothing to do with a slap in GK's face and everything to do with sticking to strict policies that have been in place all along. If you make an exception for any ONE member you have to make exceptions for others.
You know damn well what kind of a slippery slope that is. It causes resentment and discontent among the corp if someone else was refused that access for a personal POS and then you turn around and give a different member that right. A policy like that, by nature, has to be maintained on a level field or else you start getting accused of favoritism which is a huge bag of worms.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:46:00 -
[262]
Originally by: Havras
Nice Nez.. real nice. Completely ignore the valid points I made in the beginning of my post and just respond to the last paragraph.
This has nothing to do with a slap in GK's face and everything to do with sticking to strict policies that have been in place all along. If you make an exception for any ONE member you have to make exceptions for others.
You know damn well what kind of a slippery slope that is. It causes resentment and discontent among the corp if someone else was refused that access for a personal POS and then you turn around and give a different member that right. A policy like that, by nature, has to be maintained on a level field or else you start getting accused of favoritism which is a huge bag of worms.
Look I can only quote you on stuff you type.. it is not my fault if you typed stuff you didnt want quoted. If you don't want it quoted.. don't say it.
Now lets say your corporate policies are reasonable.... does this mean then that Gungan is being unreasonable? Has he lost his mind?
Something is wrong.... and I'll say it again... either the stress of the last few months has finally got to Gungankllr... or this is NOT THE WHOLE story. And you people know very well that I'll keep plugging away till this makes sense.
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Logan Feynman
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:48:00 -
[263]
Originally by: Nez Perces
And you people know very well that I'll keep plugging away till this makes sense.
Because ... if he lets this one go, he'll have to start letting other threads go, as well ...
I'm sure you understand.
Thank you. Thank you very much.
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MuthaTrucka
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:50:00 -
[264]
Originally by: Nez Perces
I didnt post in this thread till the GK thing came up.... and I'll be struck down by lighting, if he can't walk away from this whole thing with his head held up high.
Choices, we all have them to make. He can walk away anyway he wants too. He chose to ask for Permission, I chose to deny him. He chose to listen to random people in chat, I chose to go to sleep. He chose to bring it to the Eve O forums, I chose to respond. He Chose to leave, I chose to tell him bye bye. You chose to make it a big deal that 1 person is leaving, and if there is one thing to be learned from ASCN is that no one person is that important, but the choices we make are important. As individuals the choices lead to us having fun, as Corporations the choices we make lead to the group becoming more than the individuals that make up it's membership, and as Alliances the Choices we make have consequences that we have to live with in the diorama that is EVE.
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
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Herculite
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:09:00 -
[265]
Since we have CLS's attention now, I do have an entirely unrelated question.
Who's running off with all the alliance cookies?
On paper, ASCN should have been able to field unlimited t1 fitted bs's for all members just by keeping the trit flowing, and if CEO pre-kali stockpiles were to be believed, there were plenty of mins saved. Since it seems everyone went broke in the war on their own wallet, and a few dozen lost pos's deployed in bob space and even the titan don't come close to covering the assets, where did all the cookies go?
The chief cookie cutter my have retired, but the dough was still there.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:10:00 -
[266]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/01/2007 18:14:04
Originally by: MuthaTrucka
Choices, we all have them to make. He can walk away anyway he wants too. He chose to ask for Permission, I chose to deny him. He chose to listen to random people in chat, I chose to go to sleep. He chose to bring it to the Eve O forums, I chose to respond. He Chose to leave, I chose to tell him bye bye. You chose to make it a big deal that 1 person is leaving, and if there is one thing to be learned from ASCN is that no one person is that important, but the choices we make are important. As individuals the choices lead to us having fun, as Corporations the choices we make lead to the group becoming more than the individuals that make up it's membership, and as Alliances the Choices we make have consequences that we have to live with in the diorama that is EVE.
You know what... I read your post several times.... very carefully. Its a pretty dry post, very matter of fact.
Btw you are not telling the truth about ASCN... there was one person who was very important, or have you forgotten him already. Cyvok... there was a time when ASCN members referred to themselves as Cyvokians. When Cyvok left you will be lying if you pretend that it was no big deal.
I digress..... I think something has become clear from this. CLS is not bothered about GK leaving, I mean not really. At the end of the day it appears he was just another grunt.
But what is strange is that a grunt had been elevated to such a position as that of GK... I mean a regular pilot is the public face of ASCN, he is not a director .. nor anybody with any responsability at the corporate level.
One has to wonder, how he recieved the position in the first place... was it Cyvok's idea? Did CLS directorship resent him for having such a high profile position in EVE and yet no real position in the corp? When Cyvok left was GK a lame duck so to speak? Did SJ resent him for usurping his position as the public face of ASCN?
It is very strange that before ASCN's last stand, GK felt the need to abandon the alliance that he so eloquently defended time and time again.
The strangest thing is that CLS and ASCN don't seem to care that much, and are not too upset about it. It just happened... well stranger things have happened I guess.
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Joram McRory
Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:21:00 -
[267]
Originally by: Logan Feynman
Originally by: Nez Perces
And you people know very well that I'll keep plugging away till this makes sense.
Because ... if he lets this one go, he'll have to start letting other threads go, as well ...
I'm sure you understand.
BoB and ASCN aside that is very very funny :-)
Can we have a lock now??
Joram (CEO)
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MuthaTrucka
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:31:00 -
[268]
Quote: Btw you are not telling the truth about ASCN... there was one person who was very important, or have you forgotten him already. Cyvok... there was a time when ASCN members referred to themselves as Cyvokians. When Cyvok left you will be lying if you pretend that it was no big deal.
Let me rephrase it so you understand, "The Lesson learned here is one person can not be considered Irreplaceable".
Quote: I digress..... I think something has become clear from this. CLS is not bothered about GK leaving, I mean not really. At the end of the day it appears he was just another grunt.
NO you mistake my Posts for an official CLS Post, It doesn't bother me in the least that he left, doesn't bother me that Cyvok left either.
Quote: But what is strange is that a grunt had been elevated to such a position as that of GK... I mean a regular pilot is the public face of ASCN, he is not a director .. nor anybody with any responsability at the corporate level.
As a Spokesmen, he was merely a unified voice. He held the power to make offical posts nothing more. As such he did not need to be a member of Corporate leadership.
Quote: One has to wonder, how he recieved the position in the first place... was it Cyvok's idea? Did CLS directorship resent him for having such a high profile position in EVE and yet no real position in the corp? When Cyvok left was GK a lame duck so to speak? Did SJ resent him for usurping his position as the public face of ASCN?
This question is mere tinfoil hattery and as such needs no response
Quote: It is very strange that before ASCN's last stand, GK felt the need to abandon the alliance that he so eloquently defended time and time again.
Why is that EDF Left before the last stand, CoRM did their Thing, STK did their Thing, Intrepid Crossing did their thing. On a smaller Scale Gung Used this as an Excuse to do his Thing. Just like you are doing your Thing.
Quote: The strangest thing is that CLS and ASCN don't seem to care that much, and are not too upset about it. It just happened... well stranger things have happened I guess.
Your mistaking my not caring to the Corp and Alliance not caring. I am sure someone somewhere cares, it is just that that person isn't me.
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
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Deidranna
SteelVipers YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:31:00 -
[269]
some people are just 0o blablabla all the day long
GM Eldini > Hi, behaving are we?
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SamuraiJack
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:35:00 -
[270]
Originally by: Nez Perces Did SJ resent him for usurping his position as the public face of ASCN?
/me giggles...
Nez... Please for love of god... Gimme what you are smoking.
SJ. ASCN HC Community Manager ASCN Diplomat CLS Director =-
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Peter Armstrong
Caldari 5punkorp Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.03 19:43:00 -
[271]
o7 to both partys !!
oh and one thing i wounder someone going to wright a story of this? i mean been a long war and alot happened! i think the story would be very interesting u know?
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Drakma
Gekidoku
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Posted - 2007.01.03 19:51:00 -
[272]
Originally by: Peter Armstrong o7 to both partys !!
oh and one thing i wounder someone going to wright a story of this? i mean been a long war and alot happened! i think the story would be very interesting u know?
I believe somebody is gathering resources as we speak... expect the Trilogy to be released Q2 2009.
Gekidoku is recruiting. Do you have what it takes? |
Lorth
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.03 19:57:00 -
[273]
Originally by: Peter Armstrong o7 to both partys !!
oh and one thing i wounder someone going to wright a story of this? i mean been a long war and alot happened! i think the story would be very interesting u know?
I personally didn't think it was all that interesting. No doubt the fight must have been fun, and I'm sure there are a lot of happy ASCN/Bob pilots out there.
But in terms of story line, you basically have BOB steamrolling over ASCN for a mounth or two, and thats pretty much it. Heck it didn't even last that long (assuming it keeps the current pace) in comparision to other allience wars we've seen.
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Kylania
Gallente Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.03 21:29:00 -
[274]
Goodbye ASCN, you guys really did something wonderful and it's a shame to see it end.
Good luck to everyone who was part of it in whatever you end up doing next.
*salute* -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap | How to Build from a BPO |
konkord
Knockaround Guys
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:10:00 -
[275]
Edited by: konkord on 03/01/2007 22:11:03
Originally by: Nez Perces
blah blah blah
Just to push for the lock on this thread - There was someone in the pub last Saturday who reminded me of you. There was a fight and he stood on the sidelines, watched the fight, then as it finished, he started to slate the 2 lads fighting, because the bouncer was leading them out the door.
I beat the **** out of him.
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Dr Einkeisel
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:12:00 -
[276]
Edited by: Dr Einkeisel on 03/01/2007 22:12:35
Originally by: konkord Edited by: konkord on 03/01/2007 22:11:03
Originally by: Nez Perces
blah blah blah
Just to push for the lock on this thread - There was someone in the pub last Saturday who reminded me of you. There was a fight and he stood on the sidelines, watched the fight, then as it finished, he started to slate the 2 lads fighting, because the bouncer was leading them out the door.
I beat the **** out of him.
...Made me feel good.
AWSOME A RL INTERNET HARDMAN
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:17:00 -
[277]
Originally by: Nez Perces
blah blah blah
Just to push for the lock on this thread - There was someone in the pub last Saturday who reminded me of you. There was a fight and he stood on the sidelines, watched the fight, then as it finished, he started to slate the 2 lads fighting, because the bouncer was leading them out the door.
I beat the **** out of him.
...Made me feel good.
When people like you.. make posts like that I take it as confirmation that posting was not a waste of time.
Now unplug your keyboard and carry on beating people up to satisfy your ego, with a bit of luck you will end up in prison.
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Herculite
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:31:00 -
[278]
What? No one wants to talk about the alliance cookies?
I have a feeling ASCN's wealth (that which hasn't been sold to BoB) will have the same echo as I hear about Xetic.
Where did the mins go?
Someone out there has the cookie cutters dough.
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konkord
Knockaround Guys
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:37:00 -
[279]
Originally by: Nez Perces
continued drivvle
My posting that you annoy everyone, and make me want to shave your head with broken shards of bone from your own leg (fictional, and ingame of course) inspires you to continue to post what can only be described as utter crap, from a perspective completely outside the debate? You sir, are a troll.
And yea, i am too. but my posts are about as pointless as yours, and this is only me second.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:42:00 -
[280]
Originally by: konkord
My posting that you annoy everyone, and make me want to shave your head with broken shards of bone from your own leg (fictional, and ingame of course) inspires you to continue to post what can only be described as utter crap, from a perspective completely outside the debate? You sir, are a troll.
And yea, i am too. but my posts are about as pointless as yours, and this is only me second.
K lets have some fun with you...lets dance.
I assume (just stating the obvious, so that we have some common ground) there is something that annoys you about what I have written.. I'm going to assume that the 'annoying' posts are in this thread. Would you care to be specific as to what it is that is causing your blood pressure to rise so uncontrolably?
You can skip the insults if you wish... or not.. just trying to save you some typing.
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konkord
Knockaround Guys
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:47:00 -
[281]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: konkord
My posting that you annoy everyone, and make me want to shave your head with broken shards of bone from your own leg (fictional, and ingame of course) inspires you to continue to post what can only be described as utter crap, from a perspective completely outside the debate? You sir, are a troll.
And yea, i am too. but my posts are about as pointless as yours, and this is only me second.
K lets have some fun with you...lets dance.
I assume (just stating the obvious, so that we have some common ground) there is something that annoys you about what I have written.. I'm going to assume that the 'annoying' posts are in this thread. Would you care to be specific as to what it is that is causing your blood pressure to rise so uncontrolably?
You can skip the insults if you wish... or not.. just trying to save you some typing.
Lets dance?!
Dont flatter yourself my friend, there are no specific posts which you have made that annoy me. Non specifically, i have a general feeling of hatred towards all of them. The thing that annoys me (along with alot of people who read but dont post) is your amazing ability to get yourself involved. And you dont even have the level of respect from your peers through experience to qualify you to bury yourself so deep in the middle of such a debate. Every time i read your post i think...
'WHO ARE YOU!!!!'
...yet you continue, with a level of arrogance that just makes me shudder, then vomit, then get violent tendencies. (generally none of these reactions occur but tonight they are).
...so Nez... me old mucka, WHO ARE YOU. ---------------------- Nubtard |
Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:52:00 -
[282]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/01/2007 22:56:23
Originally by: konkord
...so Nez... me old mucka, WHO ARE YOU.
K... I'm going to spell it out for you very slowly...
None of your business.
If you really wanted to know, you could do some simple background checking (aka employment history), if there is anything between those two protrusions from the side of your head known as ears... you will find that we have a common acquaintance.
Thats all the clues you get, because you are so rude.
Edit: Skip that seems I mistook the corp name .. we don't share any common acquaintances... *phew*
Point still stands .. its none of your business.
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ollobrains
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:53:00 -
[283]
we are shooting ASCN in empire it all works out in the end
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Cmd Woodlouse
Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:56:00 -
[284]
Originally by: konkord
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: konkord
My posting that you annoy everyone, and make me want to shave your head with broken shards of bone from your own leg (fictional, and ingame of course) inspires you to continue to post what can only be described as utter crap, from a perspective completely outside the debate? You sir, are a troll.
And yea, i am too. but my posts are about as pointless as yours, and this is only me second.
K lets have some fun with you...lets dance.
I assume (just stating the obvious, so that we have some common ground) there is something that annoys you about what I have written.. I'm going to assume that the 'annoying' posts are in this thread. Would you care to be specific as to what it is that is causing your blood pressure to rise so uncontrolably?
You can skip the insults if you wish... or not.. just trying to save you some typing.
Lets dance?!
Dont flatter yourself my friend, there are no specific posts which you have made that annoy me. Non specifically, i have a general feeling of hatred towards all of them. The thing that annoys me (along with alot of people who read but dont post) is your amazing ability to get yourself involved. And you dont even have the level of respect from your peers through experience to qualify you to bury yourself so deep in the middle of such a debate. Every time i read your post i think...
'WHO ARE YOU!!!!'
...yet you continue, with a level of arrogance that just makes me shudder, then vomit, then get violent tendencies. (generally none of these reactions occur but tonight they are).
...so Nez... me old mucka, WHO ARE YOU.
Calm down a bit.
Nez was a very high ranked pilot back in the past in FIX, if not even the leader (?). Correct me if im wrong, Nez, my memories seem to vanish as my age grows --------------------------------
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:58:00 -
[285]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Nez was a very high ranked pilot back in the past in FIX, if not even the leader (?). Correct me if im wrong, Nez, my memories seem to vanish as my age grows
Your memory is still good Cmdr
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konkord
Knockaround Guys
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:58:00 -
[286]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: konkord
...so Nez... me old mucka, WHO ARE YOU.
Thats all the clues you get, because you are so rude.
Gutted.
No clues.
I'll make a guess at 'an arrogant fool' and be done. I dont really want to know, i was hoping that the fact im pointing out most people find you at best abrasive, at worst cancerous would lead you a brighter path of enlightenment.
Alas, i fear you've been envoloped in your inflated opinion of self importance. I look forward to vomiting relentlessly from reading your posts in the future. And i look forward to seeing you in space. If you have time to undock, that is - its a busy life this whoring.
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MuthaTrucka
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 23:00:00 -
[287]
Edited by: MuthaTrucka on 03/01/2007 23:05:23
Originally by: Herculite What? No one wants to talk about the alliance cookies?
I have a feeling ASCN's wealth (that which hasn't been sold to BoB) will have the same echo as I hear about Xetic.
Where did the mins go?
Someone out there has the cookie cutters dough.
What Minerals? You need to be more specific. I mean A good Conspiracy Theory has Bad Guys, Good Guys, a Diabolical plot, and a Massive Cover Up. Come back when your Tinfoil hattery has all that then we can debate endless over the Xetic Minerals that no one can prove ever existed.
Edited Spelling
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
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jeNK
Caldari STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.03 23:00:00 -
[288]
konkord <3
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Havras
The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 23:00:00 -
[289]
Originally by: ollobrains we are shooting ASCN in empire it all works out in the end
ROFLMAO... when your not making baseless accusations of logonski...
you might want to check the killboards for how badly your getting stomped when we run across you in Empire buying supplies.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 23:01:00 -
[290]
Originally by: konkord
Gutted.
No clues.
I'll make a guess at 'an arrogant fool' and be done. I dont really want to know, i was hoping that the fact im pointing out most people find you at best abrasive, at worst cancerous would lead you a brighter path of enlightenment.
Alas, i fear you've been envoloped in your inflated opinion of self importance. I look forward to vomiting relentlessly from reading your posts in the future. And i look forward to seeing you in space. If you have time to undock, that is - its a busy life this whoring.
My bad read up, on second inspection I mistook Freeks corp for another..... I appologise. Either way you knew Cyvok didn't you? Well I met him too... he was my opposite number in ASCN.
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HuDDy
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 23:01:00 -
[291]
Nez was 1 of the leaders of fix a JCOS
and Mr Konkord has PLENTY of Experience in alliance matters
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Havras
The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 23:01:00 -
[292]
Originally by: MuthaTrucka
Originally by: Herculite What? No one wants to talk about the alliance cookies?
I have a feeling ASCN's wealth (that which hasn't been sold to BoB) will have the same echo as I hear about Xetic.
Where did the mins go?
Someone out there has the cookie cutters dough.
What Minerals? You need to be more specific. I mean A good Conspiracy Theory has Bad Guys, God Guys, a Diabolical plot, and a Massive Cover Up. Come back when your Tinfoil hattery has all that then we can debate endless over the Xetic Minerals that no one can prove ever existed.
He's talking about the ASCN mineral stockpiles and capital fleet, MT.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.03 23:12:00 -
[293]
Originally by: konkord I look forward to vomiting relentlessly from reading your posts in the future. And i look forward to seeing you in space. If you have time to undock, that is - its a busy life this whoring.
Thats the spirit...
I look forward to continued graphical reports of how you empty your bowels when you read my posts. Have fun with that. Drink lots of milk though, I understand it helps with acid burn.
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MuthaTrucka
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.03 23:12:00 -
[294]
Originally by: Havras
Originally by: MuthaTrucka
Originally by: Herculite What? No one wants to talk about the alliance cookies?
I have a feeling ASCN's wealth (that which hasn't been sold to BoB) will have the same echo as I hear about Xetic.
Where did the mins go?
Someone out there has the cookie cutters dough.
What Minerals? You need to be more specific. I mean A good Conspiracy Theory has Bad Guys, God Guys, a Diabolical plot, and a Massive Cover Up. Come back when your Tinfoil hattery has all that then we can debate endless over the Xetic Minerals that no one can prove ever existed.
He's talking about the ASCN mineral stockpiles and capital fleet, MT.
Oh did we have one? If we did Have one I guess a random guy from FIX would know huh. /me goes off to sell the missing Xetic minerals
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
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Herculite
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.04 00:03:00 -
[295]
Edited by: Herculite on 04/01/2007 00:04:28
Originally by: MuthaTrucka
Originally by: Havras
Originally by: MuthaTrucka
Originally by: Herculite What? No one wants to talk about the alliance cookies?
I have a feeling ASCN's wealth (that which hasn't been sold to BoB) will have the same echo as I hear about Xetic.
Where did the mins go?
Someone out there has the cookie cutters dough.
What Minerals? You need to be more specific. I mean A good Conspiracy Theory has Bad Guys, God Guys, a Diabolical plot, and a Massive Cover Up. Come back when your Tinfoil hattery has all that then we can debate endless over the Xetic Minerals that no one can prove ever existed.
He's talking about the ASCN mineral stockpiles and capital fleet, MT.
Oh did we have one? If we did Have one I guess a random guy from FIX would know huh. /me goes off to sell the missing Xetic minerals
Yea I mean, how could anyone put 2 and 2 together in ASCN spent almost nothing at the alliance level, and if you recall one of Gungas posts where he was rather upset at the lack of spending in the alliance (not on this forum of course, I just lost access to that forum 2 days ago, can you guess which one?) you can see where all this 'tinfoil' hattery comes about.
Add to it that I have friends in BoB who happened to buy some dreads from CLS pilots in AZN two weeks ago and I have to wonder. While I left ASCN just prior to the BoB war starting due to differences with my CEO's 'style' I did still have a lot of friends there and I think you should be open as to what 'alliance' level assets are out there.
The rumor is that the minerals Cyvok was going to give to Virt never got there, and if not, where did they go?
I suppose the best thing that happened for those who will take what they can is the Titan got blown up, such a big asset is easy to follow, but you can't tell me that ASCN spent almost a years worth of carebearing wealth in the war on BoB, unless all ASCN had to show for it were a dozen POS's they couldn't manage to fuel, the titan, and a handful of dreds.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.04 00:24:00 -
[296]
Originally by: Herculite ...where did they go?
Billion isk question btw.
Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
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ollobrains
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.04 00:34:00 -
[297]
hmmm wonder where all the materials ended up apparently ASCN had 4-5 spare titans if u believed their propaganda - that said the whole thing is falling apart now they will move into stain and slowly melt into other parties.
the attention now shifts to RAGOON, d2 and LV ( and ofc bob) for the next round of developments
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Raznarok
Fate.
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Posted - 2007.01.04 00:34:00 -
[298]
Edited by: Raznarok on 04/01/2007 00:36:40 Nice post, and kudos for stepping up to the plate and having the balls to tell it how things really are.
Its dissapointing to hear that the ACSN leadership and FC's have "dissapeared" as things started going against them. I expected more after all the forum wars.
Edit; note that my post was to the OP and not specifically aimed at either side. (Just noticed the amounts of bait been thrown out there and being swallowed up) |
Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.01.04 02:35:00 -
[299]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Herculite ...where did they go?
Billion isk question btw.
Given ASCN's size, it's likely a Trillion ISK question.
It's a shame to see ASCN coming to an end, but no group is likely to last forever (or until the day EVE shuts down for good), and I'm interested to see how the remains rebuild, and what new groups form out of whole conflict.
Wonder what BoB is going to do now... build more titans? Wardec another group? Spend time stabilizing and gaining a solid hold of their new regions? Wardec an empire when factional wa... nevermind.
Grats to Bob for their victory, and goodluck to friends who fought in ASCN, as well as BoB.
(this is all personal view of course)
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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MuthaTrucka
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.04 03:05:00 -
[300]
Billion, Trillion. In the End whether it existed or not is moot. IT certainly did not do any good if it did exist, and if it didn't it just goes to show you what happens when the Spies pass on the wrong info that gets accepted as Fact.
"The Missing Minerals Theory" (TMMT) is nothing more than a Schr÷dinger's Cat. It is and it isn't important. It exist yet it doesn't. Maybe if someone had an accounting sheet? That would help clarify the situation, Since there is clearly some opacity of your information.
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
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BlackMoon Thrawn
the Organ Grinder and Company Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.01.04 03:24:00 -
[301]
Originally by: ollobrains hmmm wonder where all the materials ended up apparently ASCN had 4-5 spare titans if u believed their propaganda - that said the whole thing is falling apart now they will move into stain and slowly melt into other parties.
the attention now shifts to RAGOON, d2 and LV ( and ofc bob) for the next round of developments
Looks like you have the right stuff, I wonder if Black Spot is recruiting.
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.04 10:11:00 -
[302]
Originally by: HuDDy Nez was 1 of the leaders of fix a JCOS
and Mr Konkord has PLENTY of Experience in alliance matters
Not sure if that was supposed to be sarcasm? If it was then Mr Konkord was until very recently a director in one of the key ASCN corps so yes, I would say he does have some experience, at least as much as some forum troll who was formerly in fix.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.04 10:32:00 -
[303]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 04/01/2007 10:32:51
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry
Not sure if that was supposed to be sarcasm? If it was then Mr Konkord was until very recently a director in one of the key ASCN corps so yes, I would say he does have some experience, at least as much as some forum troll who was formerly in fix.
Mr Konkord also had all of his posts deleted.. and I would be very surprised if he didn't get a warning to boot.
I know a lot of you ASCN pilots can't stand me and thats fine.. you are not required to like me. Popularity contests do not interest me.
Just remember that personal attacks do you more harm than they do me.
Its best if you don't bother.
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Noveron
Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.04 10:38:00 -
[304]
Originally by: Nez Perces
... Just remember that personal attacks do you more harm than they do me.
Its best if you don't bother.
first words I like from this guy.. And he's right.. So see ya, im out of this thread ;)
CAN SOMEONE LOCK THIS? ITS NO LONGER ABOUT WHY IT WAS STARTED.
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.04 10:48:00 -
[305]
Originally by: Nez Perces Its best if you don't bother.
Pin this to your keyboard for the next time you see an ASCN related thread please.
If you have a genuine interest in the workings of ASCN then please convo Virt and he will be more than happy to answer your concerns.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.04 10:54:00 -
[306]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 04/01/2007 11:04:02
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry
Pin this to your keyboard for the next time you see an ASCN related thread please.
If you have a genuine interest in the workings of ASCN then please convo Virt and he will be more than happy to answer your concerns.
You know full well thats not how things work Fitz.... any forum user with a main in a corporation is able to post on whatever subject he/she wishes provided he/she follows forum guidelines and remains respectful, courteous and on-topic.
The environment of COAD is the perfect place for an alliance to answer questions about its behaviour on certain issues.
Why? because there is nowhere to hide. And the rest of EVE is watching... which means you can't ignore the issue.
If you don't like the forums just don't visit them.
[edit:clarity]
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Sauron Starcrusher
Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.05 01:56:00 -
[307]
GL on both sides.
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Jangizal
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.01.05 06:35:00 -
[308]
Best of luck during the last stand. ...... Maximum allowed size for a signature is 24000 bytes - even the really pretty ones. - Devil Hanzo
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.05 09:57:00 -
[309]
Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 04/01/2007 11:04:02
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry
Pin this to your keyboard for the next time you see an ASCN related thread please.
If you have a genuine interest in the workings of ASCN then please convo Virt and he will be more than happy to answer your concerns.
You know full well thats not how things work Fitz.... any forum user with a main in a corporation is able to post on whatever subject he/she wishes provided he/she follows forum guidelines and remains respectful, courteous and on-topic.
The environment of COAD is the perfect place for an alliance to answer questions about its behaviour on certain issues.
Why? because there is nowhere to hide. And the rest of EVE is watching... which means you can't ignore the issue.
If you don't like the forums just don't visit them.
[edit:clarity]
I am sorry, its just this pseudo-paxman on Newsnight approach to the forums that I just cannot stand.
Your posts just remind me of those awful "investigative journalist" style TV shows with you running around pushing a mic into peoples faces saying "But what about those people that invested in your scheme Mr Cyvok, do you have any comment for our viewers" over and over again.
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konkord
Knockaround Guys
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:23:00 -
[310]
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry
Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 04/01/2007 11:04:02
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry
Pin this to your keyboard for the next time you see an ASCN related thread please.
If you have a genuine interest in the workings of ASCN then please convo Virt and he will be more than happy to answer your concerns.
stuff
I am sorry, its just this pseudo-paxman on Newsnight approach to the forums that I just cannot stand.
Your posts just remind me of those awful "investigative journalist" style TV shows with you running around pushing a mic into peoples faces saying "But what about those people that invested in your scheme Mr Cyvok, do you have any comment for our viewers" over and over again.
<3 Fitz.
H8 Paxman. ---------------------- Nubtard |
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:02:00 -
[311]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 05/01/2007 13:04:44
Originally by: konkord
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry
Pin this to your keyboard for the next time you see an ASCN related thread please.
If you have a genuine interest in the workings of ASCN then please convo Virt and he will be more than happy to answer your concerns.
I am sorry, its just this pseudo-paxman on Newsnight approach to the forums that I just cannot stand.
Your posts just remind me of those awful "investigative journalist" style TV shows with you running around pushing a mic into peoples faces saying "But what about those people that invested in your scheme Mr Cyvok, do you have any comment for our viewers" over and over again.
<3 Fitz.
H8 Paxman.
Haven't you been banned yet?
Go have a look at "Fall of a Titan" thread.
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:05:00 -
[312]
Edited by: Gungankllr on 05/01/2007 13:05:05 MODS PLEASE LOCK.
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JA RULER
Caldari Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.05 17:11:00 -
[313]
Originally by: DeadDuck Edited by: DeadDuck on 02/01/2007 09:32:35
Originally by: JA RULER Sad to see you go but glad to see some of you are noble enough to fight to the end. Those that do stay and fight will have a place anywhere in EVE. Kudos to BOB who brought it on in superb form.
I wonder though what will happen to the vaccum of space left behind and who will take it?
On a side note your sig is one of the the best I ever saw around here
Originally by: Royaldo
Originally by: Prestidigitator I hereby publically state that I have nothing to contribute to this thread other than to roffle wildly at JA RULER's sig :D
signed x100
and something something.. erm..ascn cap fleet is gone? how many dreads did they have?
lol thx guys the thanks really goes to a fellow fixian who allowed me to use it as my MC and Outbreak ones caused a stir with Seleene and outbreak .
So real thanks to Le Soltueur for making it and being graceful enough to let others use it.
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Kreul Intentions
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.01.05 18:24:00 -
[314]
At the request of the OP.
*click*
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