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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:19:00 -
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Because I want to keep this on topic, i decided posting in the thread started by Count T would be derailment, and wouldn;t be on.
I own an undisclosed amount of Marginis shares, so I wondered who else does. IAC and friends are shooting ISS and friends.
How many people who are engaging in hostilities with ISS own shares, and would ISS be paying them dividends? _
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ollobrains
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:22:00 -
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well ISS pay shares regardless of who owns em so many shareholders i guess they just pay anyway
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:23:00 -
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Of course iss is paying devidence, there is a devidence butten that issues x amount of isk and then distributes it to all the shares.
this have ben stated numerus times in the past but hey here it is again!
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Alice Magnum
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.01.02 02:59:00 -
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Edited by: Alice Magnum on 02/01/2007 03:00:09
Sergio Ling ... all along .. the ISS has stated that privates funds have dealt with the current problem ... not public money .... so time to say thankyou to the private inderviduals who care so much.
So stop trolling for another ... omfg thread..
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.02 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Alice Magnum Edited by: Alice Magnum on 02/01/2007 03:00:09
Sergio Ling ... all along .. the ISS has stated that privates funds have dealt with the current problem ... not public money .... so time to say thankyou to the private inderviduals who care so much.
So stop trolling for another ... omfg thread..
first off, PWYM
secondly, it's a set of legitimate questions. Do any hostiles have shares, and would ISS pay them? not because of lack of funds (let;s not be silly) but because of hostilities _
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NITROX UpAllNightGaming
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.02 03:07:00 -
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Quote: secondly, it's a set of legitimate questions. Do any hostiles have shares, and would ISS pay them? not because of lack of funds (let;s not be silly) but because of hostilities
If they have shares they get paid ... not too hard to understand ....
As for the rest move on ... melstrom.
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Verone
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.01.02 03:13:00 -
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I used to own a LOT of ISS shares...
When the ebil pirates attempted to take 9UY the dividends we were paid by ISS funded our war fully, with extra left over as profit. Ironic that I was shooting at my investment and it was paying me to do so.
I sold up after that, I didn't feel like losing a shedload of ISK when everyone got mad at ISS. I got a decent return, got what a paid for them and profited from the dividends so meh.
I'll let someone else deal with worthless shares if ISS goes belly up.
VETO FOR HIRE
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Stamm
Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.01.02 03:49:00 -
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Way I see it, the shares will go to about zero value if ISS goes **** up. I don't see it that the shares will decrease slowly in value. At that point ISS might buy back the shares, they might not be able to.
Paying 5% a month that means it's from now until 20 months from now until you get your money back, and from now until 40 months from now until you double your money. If you believe that ISS will go **** up and lose everything at some point in the next 40 months, then on average you will get your money back, and only your money back.
Buyers need to weigh up what the chances are of them dying on their feet, and what the chances are of a partial refund, or at least enough warning to offload the shares at a reduced price.
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Sacul
Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2007.01.02 04:32:00 -
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Had the shares, sold them, shot at ISS while i had them...all fun and games....region changed alot since i was in the Triad ......nice project imo tho...id buy new shares for a new outpost in a new region tbh.....max 200 mill tho, well maybe 500 mil ghehehe
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Kane Ululani
REUNI0N Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.02 04:42:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
I used to own a LOT of ISS shares...
When the ebil pirates attempted to take 9UY the dividends we were paid by ISS funded our war fully, with extra left over as profit. Ironic that I was shooting at my investment and it was paying me to do so.
I sold up after that, I didn't feel like losing a shedload of ISK when everyone got mad at ISS. I got a decent return, got what a paid for them and profited from the dividends so meh.
I'll let someone else deal with worthless shares if ISS goes belly up.
So ISS paid you by watering the value of other shareholder's holdings. Is there any formal public accounting of earnings and distributions, such as might be made in a 10-Q, where these expenses are declared?
How does ISS assure no "preferred" shareholders exist without a declaration of it's holders, it's expenses, and distributions?
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.02 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kane Ululani
Originally by: Verone
I used to own a LOT of ISS shares...
When the ebil pirates attempted to take 9UY the dividends we were paid by ISS funded our war fully, with extra left over as profit. Ironic that I was shooting at my investment and it was paying me to do so.
I sold up after that, I didn't feel like losing a shedload of ISK when everyone got mad at ISS. I got a decent return, got what a paid for them and profited from the dividends so meh.
I'll let someone else deal with worthless shares if ISS goes belly up.
So ISS paid you by watering the value of other shareholder's holdings. Is there any formal public accounting of earnings and distributions, such as might be made in a 10-Q, where these expenses are declared?
How does ISS assure no "preferred" shareholders exist without a declaration of it's holders, it's expenses, and distributions?
You missed the point Verone and Veto were ISS's ENEMY in 9UY .. and fun it was too. Its just that Verone had more shares in the corps he was shooting than the pilots in those corps did. Which isn't a bad plan tbh.
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Kane Ululani
REUNI0N Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.02 05:17:00 -
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Edited by: Kane Ululani on 02/01/2007 05:21:28
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
You missed the point Verone and Veto were ISS's ENEMY in 9UY .. and fun it was too. Its just that Verone had more shares in the corps he was shooting than the pilots in those corps did. Which isn't a bad plan tbh.
No, you missed the point. ISS claims to be "publicly" held and operating for the benefit of it's shareholders. The distribution of shares for such a purpose is an expense, though one necessarily required for the maintainance of it's shareholder's assets. Such expenses in publically traded corporations, particularly ones which style themselves on the WSJ, are declared in publically published accountings, available to all. ISS publishes nothing leaving the question of how it's dividends are actually distributed after expenses.
Thanks for verifying what I already knew about MC's holdings.
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Nebba Kenezzer
Minmatar Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.02 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kane Ululani No, you missed the point. ISS claims to be "publicly" held and operating for the benefit of it's shareholders. The distribution of shares for such a purpose is an expense, though one necessarily required for the maintainance of it's shareholder's assets. Such expenses in publically traded corporations, particularly ones which style themselves on the WSJ, are declared in publically published accountings, available to all. ISS publishes nothing leaving the question of how it's dividends are actually distributed after expenses.
Thanks for verifying what I already knew about MC's holdings.
If there wasn't an SEC, would said WSJ stylers still publicly file their financials? Some, but not all.
ISS has established itself in our SEC-free environment as a community-held corporation, with a satisfied base of shareholders--and a guaranteed monthly return to boot. (Source: http://www.eve-iss.com/ISSO/)
It comes down to the needs of the shareholder. Considering the lack of in-game tools needed to provide accurate accountancy, I would never expect ISS to publicly release a financial report. I'm certain Count, nonetheless, would provide such information to any shareholder; but I fail to see what would be gained from it.
Nebba - The Vocal Majority
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MadnessWithin
Caldari The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.02 07:12:00 -
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Well so long as my dividends keep coming all is well.
I'd like to point out to you how shares work in eve. ISS do not know who own ISS shares, they simply pay the 'shares' the dividends and the owner receives the funds.
That means that providing you are a shareholder you will get paid regardless of whether you are an enemy of ISS or not.
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Alia's
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Posted - 2007.01.02 07:15:00 -
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STRONG SELL.
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Frools
The Priory Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.02 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sergio Ling Because I want to keep this on topic, i decided posting in the thread started by Count T would be derailment, and wouldn;t be on.
I own an undisclosed amount of Marginis shares, so I wondered who else does. IAC and friends are shooting ISS and friends.
How many people who are engaging in hostilities with ISS own shares, and would ISS be paying them dividends?
i know theres a couple of people in priory with marginis shares
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Eskona Runningstar
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.01.02 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sergio Ling Because I want to keep this on topic, i decided posting in the thread started by Count T would be derailment, and wouldn;t be on.
I own an undisclosed amount of Marginis shares, so I wondered who else does. IAC and friends are shooting ISS and friends.
How many people who are engaging in hostilities with ISS own shares, and would ISS be paying them dividends?
EVE does not allow tracking of shareholders, so all shares in the game (no matter who issues them) are not bound to a name and can be traded without notifying ISS of the transfer. That means even if ISS knows the original purchaser, they cannot track who those shares were given to after the initial purchase from ISS. Hence ISS cannot distinguish between shares owned by friendlies or hostiles - they just pay out X ISK dividend to Y number of shares. ---------- These are my views and mine alone. They do not represent the official stance of my corporation or alliance in any way.
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Kreul Intentions
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.01.02 15:29:00 -
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This is a friendly reminder, if you are an alt, please do not post in this part of the forum. Should you continue to do so, warnings will be issued.
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Rawne Karrde
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.01.02 15:29:00 -
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Though honestly if the war was affecting the profitability of said outposts the reality is ISS was handed 100 bil + for their IPO before the holidays, they could just as easily use those funds to prop up the dividend payout for marginis. It wouldn't be difficult and would be impossible for the public to truly know.
I mean Count's public peace offering, and great financial performance is some great PR work..
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.02 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Rawne Karrde Though honestly if the war was affecting the profitability of said outposts the reality is ISS was handed 100 bil + for their IPO before the holidays, they could just as easily use those funds to prop up the dividend payout for marginis. It wouldn't be difficult and would be impossible for the public to truly know.
I mean Count's public peace offering, and great financial performance is some great PR work..
Marginis improved 400 millions from last month due to more dockings and the trade market going balistic thats where the boosted incom comes from
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Rawne Karrde
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.01.02 15:38:00 -
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I'm not saying your not telling the truth, but honestly I still have to take your word for it.
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.02 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 02/01/2007 19:23:33
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: Rawne Karrde Though honestly if the war was affecting the profitability of said outposts the reality is ISS was handed 100 bil + for their IPO before the holidays, they could just as easily use those funds to prop up the dividend payout for marginis. It wouldn't be difficult and would be impossible for the public to truly know.
I mean Count's public peace offering, and great financial performance is some great PR work..
Marginis improved 400 millions from last month due to more dockings and the trade market going balistic thats where the boosted incom comes from
So ISS charge ISS and allies helping them war with IAC and their allies docking fees? And market taxes would be coming directly from your allies too since they are the only ones there. The few Distant Star Alliance members that waddle through your space trying to get to Providence to exit the area from Immensea couldn't be providing you will all that isk.
I mean... who are you trying to kid. You are either a) profiteering off your members and allies [wtf] or b) being fed untruths.
Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
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Venril
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.01.02 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 02/01/2007 19:23:33
So ISS charge ISS and allies helping them war with IAC and their allies docking fees? And market taxes would be coming directly from your allies too since they are the only ones there. The few Distant Star Alliance members that waddle through your space trying to get to Providence to exit the area from Immensea couldn't be providing you will all that isk.
1/10.
We all know that ISS is a business. Get over it.
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Gabba
Species 5618
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Posted - 2007.01.02 20:22:00 -
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Kaylana, you dont get pure profit payed, you get dividend.
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Kalmanaka
The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.03 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi I mean... who are you trying to kid. You are either a) profiteering off your members and allies [wtf] or b) being fed untruths.
If you owned a liquor store, would you let all your friends walk out with alcohol for free? Okay, maybe a bad example...
If I need something and I know a friend runs a business that supplies it, I'll go to them so I can help their business be successful. I don't go to them expecting a handout because that will hurt my friend's business. Maybe once in a while a freebie or a discount will get thrown out but if I go to a friends business I certainly expect to pay for their product or service.
The way you help out your friends is to use their services, buy their products, and make sure the profits are going to someone you know instead of someone you don't. There are two parts to this game, fighting and capitalism. This is how capitalism works and it's how it is possible for *anyone* to become rich and powerful.
Besides, the more money I pay my corp or alliance for services then the higher the profits are and the more everyone gets paid in dividends. It's a win/win situation, not a "wtf" situation.
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Omber Zombie
Gallente Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2007.01.03 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kaylana Syi
I mean... who are you trying to kid. You are either a) profiteering off your members and allies [wtf] or b) being fed untruths.
I'm sorry, I missed the part about ISS being a communist/socialist style entity. ----------------------
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sliver 0xD
Infinite Style Incorporated Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Rawne Karrde Though honestly if the war was affecting the profitability of said outposts the reality is ISS was handed 100 bil + for their IPO before the holidays, they could just as easily use those funds to prop up the dividend payout for marginis. It wouldn't be difficult and would be impossible for the public to truly know.
I mean Count's public peace offering, and great financial performance is some great PR work..
i hear that iss pays off aliances that form a threath to there outpost. how is the shareholders view about this? becouse the price of peace is payed off in shares witch cost nothing to iss to make. but only makes the dividend towards already share holders smaller.
a blackhole is, where god divided by zero.
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Del369
Caldari Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Frools
Originally by: Sergio Ling Because I want to keep this on topic, i decided posting in the thread started by Count T would be derailment, and wouldn;t be on.
I own an undisclosed amount of Marginis shares, so I wondered who else does. IAC and friends are shooting ISS and friends.
How many people who are engaging in hostilities with ISS own shares, and would ISS be paying them dividends?
i know theres a couple of people in priory with marginis shares
haha, thats class, ok i need an ebil plan to increase ISS Providences profits
Originally by: Wrangler That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!
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Grimster
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Grimster on 03/01/2007 12:35:49
Originally by: sliver 0xD i hear that iss pays off aliances that form a threath to there outpost. how is the shareholders view about this? becouse the price of peace is payed off in shares witch cost nothing to iss to make. but only makes the dividend towards already share holders smaller.
Business overhead.
If it's cheaper to kill the bad guys off yourself then coolio, if not it makes all the business sense in the world to pay off.
That's like saying that a rl company pays taxes to the government of the country they do business in, cutting the profits to the shareholders. No fair?
How does this affect the running of the business? Why should the shareholders care so long as the dividends are being paid?
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The Anointed
Caldari StarBug Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: sliver 0xD
Originally by: Rawne Karrde Though honestly if the war was affecting the profitability of said outposts the reality is ISS was handed 100 bil + for their IPO before the holidays, they could just as easily use those funds to prop up the dividend payout for marginis. It wouldn't be difficult and would be impossible for the public to truly know.
I mean Count's public peace offering, and great financial performance is some great PR work..
i hear that iss pays off aliances that form a threath to there outpost. how is the shareholders view about this? becouse the price of peace is payed off in shares witch cost nothing to iss to make. but only makes the dividend towards already share holders smaller.
Proof? Surely seeing as sharholders get to see the votes for the creation of new shares, every time it was done there would be posts on the forums about it?
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