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sam Nova
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.02 03:37:00 -
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The process to research BPO's is taking way too long. I have been working at Manufacturing for some time and the process to submit blueprints is taking longer and longer. Yes there are Research places open in the low security areas, but I do not wish to fly though PVP zone with expensive BPO's in my cargo bay. CCP need to expand the number of slots for ME, it taking about 20+ days just to start the research. This process might have worked in the pass, but when the game is growing, but not the resources.
Sam Nova
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j0sephine
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 03:44:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 02/01/2007 03:44:07
"Yes there are Research places open in the low security areas, but I do not wish to fly though PVP zone with expensive BPO's in my cargo bay. CCP need to expand the number of slots for ME, it taking about 20+ days just to start the research."
It sounds quite balanced as it is by your words -- those who *do* wish to 'fly through PVP zone' receive the benefit of not having to wait 20+ days to start their research. Those who don't wish so, have to put up with inconvenience.
With the warp to 0 option in game it's really not too risky to move around in ship loaded with inertia stabilizers btw, and the "PVP zones" are less scary than the word of mouth regarding them.... give it a try with empty ship some day, you may be surprised.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.02 03:45:00 -
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I've never seen a dog eat another dog. I wonder how that expression originated...
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Imechal Ravpeim
Amarr International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.02 03:46:00 -
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It's the players that need their ME up to 100... not CCPs fault. Opening more slots won't solve the problem... people will just decide to take it to ME 110 instead... It's the time that you're paying for to research, not the space. I guess 20+ days are what people are willing to wait for.
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Pax Uranus
Pimpin Women Near You
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Posted - 2007.01.02 04:14:00 -
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So, set up a research POS in Empire then. |
sableye
principle of motion R i s e
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Posted - 2007.01.02 04:16:00 -
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Edited by: sableye on 02/01/2007 04:17:01 I was pretty annoyed at way they are all full up but we got a research pos and it working out good for us/corp we have enough ;abs to use without any wait and I think it makes the research faster too. If empire slots were empty there would be pretty much zero point in research pos/outposts. Join The Fight With Promo Today |
Sgt Blade
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.02 04:19:00 -
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yeah if you dont like it, move it to a quieter system , taht or set up your own empire pos with a research lab. if your really bothered about the time ti takes for it to start reaserch then you should be willing to put some isk/risk into it Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5 |
Gamer4liff
Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2007.01.02 04:23:00 -
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CCP should really, REALLY, add more ME slots. Honestly I long for the days when we had generic labslots that could do anything.(after they increased the number per station that is).
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JamesTalon
Caldari Electric Fury Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.02 05:07:00 -
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A POS in high sec is the way to go. Just need a 5.0 standing or higher and some of the thinga-ma-jicks that you get from the governments to run one, and bam, your own private research. Just pull out the isk for a large or medium tower, find any moon, and then add a few mobile labs. So long as you keep it fueled, theres no need to ever wait again for ME slots
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.01.02 06:37:00 -
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i doubt it's the amount of slots that's responsible for these queues... (maybe throw a "solely" in that sentence)
i wonder how many rig BPOs are pointlessly being researched beyond 50ME....
maybe CCP could add an ingame tool to compare certain material levels, much like the variations-comparison-thingy. i guess we'd have half the queues if people knew what they were doing. those who do know, are more likely to have taken their research to the next level, away from NPC slots
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Tachy
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Posted - 2007.01.02 07:04:00 -
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There are a lot of T2 ammo BPO in the research slots.
People don't need them to produce the goods because the market is absolutely dead for nearly all T2 ammo types.
The new modules and ship BPO take their time in the research system too, and T2 research takes a long time. --*=*=*--
The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait | 2006.09.20 |
ollobrains
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.02 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: sam Nova
The process to research BPO's is taking way too long. I have been working at Manufacturing for some time and the process to submit blueprints is taking longer and longer. Yes there are Research places open in the low security areas, but I do not wish to fly though PVP zone with expensive BPO's in my cargo bay. CCP need to expand the number of slots for ME, it taking about 20+ days just to start the research. This process might have worked in the pass, but when the game is growing, but not the resources.
Sam Nova
sam nova to lazy wants an iwin button please add another 3 days to his skill training for not putting up a high sec POS thanks
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Achoo Blessyou
Vogon Deconstructions Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.02 07:34:00 -
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Or just pay someone to put the BPO in their lab for you.
There are plenty of people like me who charge a couple of million a week for this service, so there really is no need for added NPC slots. ---------------- High-Sec Research Service - Contact for details |
Audri Fisher
Caldari The Keep THE R0CK
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Posted - 2007.01.02 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: j0sephine Edited by: j0sephine on 02/01/2007 03:44:07
"Yes there are Research places open in the low security areas, but I do not wish to fly though PVP zone with expensive BPO's in my cargo bay. CCP need to expand the number of slots for ME, it taking about 20+ days just to start the research."
It sounds quite balanced as it is by your words -- those 2. who *do* wish to 'fly through PVP zone' receive the benefit of not having to wait 20+ days to start their research. Those who don't wish so, have to put up with inconvenience.
With the warp to 0 option in game it's really not too risky to move around in ship loaded with inertia stabilizers btw, and the "PVP zones" are less scary than the word of mouth regarding them.... give it a try with empty ship some day, you may be surprised.
1. taking anything of value through low sec is stupid tbh. to many log in traps ect. 2. best bet is to find a 0.0 station that you can use. 3. oh and a lot of low sec reassearch slots are just in heavy in use as a lot of empire ones tbh.
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ollobrains
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.02 08:32:00 -
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t2 crusader will get u anywhere in low sec without getting u popped
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.02 08:42:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 02/01/2007 08:44:38
Originally by: Imechal Ravpeim It's the players that need their ME up to 100... not CCPs fault. Opening more slots won't solve the problem... people will just decide to take it to ME 110 instead... It's the time that you're paying for to research, not the space. I guess 20+ days are what people are willing to wait for.
It has (generally) very little sense to research a BPO to 100.
The best solution is building a research station in high security.
The only dubt: has the bug about CONCORD not defending a POS aggressed without a war declaration been resolved?
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Leianna
Entropy Tech. Blood Raiders Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.02 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Audri Fisher
1. taking anything of value through low sec is stupid tbh. to many log in traps ect. 2. best bet is to find a 0.0 station that you can use.
So taking a nano or stab'd frig, or even a shuttle, into lowsec is MORE dangerous then facing warp bubbles in 0.0? Think you need to re-evaluate, tbh.
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Shakuul
Caldari The Imperial Commonwealth The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.01.02 08:53:00 -
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Researching it up to ME 50 or 100 is sometimes worth it because BPC buyers will buy ME 100 over ME 20 at a large markup. Even though I know you barely save anything (maybe 500k for a tier 2 battleship), its worth it because you sell more BPCs. Also, as queue times get longer, it seems more attractive to research them for 30 days instead of 20. Whats 10 more days if you are waiting 25 days just for the slot?
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2007.01.02 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68 I've never seen a dog eat another dog. I wonder how that expression originated...
You've heard of wolves eating dogs right, dogs are essentially domesticated wolves, bred so hard the wolf/dog no longer recognize it as an equal and treats it as food. That's the basic mechanism behind the figure of speech, when it's no longer recognizable as being with you it's against you, the enemy, food.
As for the question at hand, you're doing too much ME.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2007.01.02 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Venkul Mul [...]
The best solution is building a research station in high security.
The only dubt: has the bug about CONCORD not defending a POS aggressed without a war declaration been resolved?
It doesn't matter. With scientific networking you can have the BPO in a corp hangar at an NPC station in the system where the research lab is sitting. --*=*=*--
The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing. by Sharkbait | 2006.09.20 |
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Leianna
Entropy Tech. Blood Raiders Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.02 09:13:00 -
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Edited by: Leianna on 02/01/2007 09:14:32
Originally by: Shakuul Researching it up to ME 50 or 100 is sometimes worth it because BPC buyers will buy ME 100 over ME 20 at a large markup. Even though I know you barely save anything (maybe 500k for a tier 2 battleship), its worth it because you sell more BPCs. Also, as queue times get longer, it seems more attractive to research them for 30 days instead of 20. Whats 10 more days if you are waiting 25 days just for the slot?
In the case of a ship BPO, once you get it to ME 25 or so, at what point do you feel its no longer worth the wasted time gaining extra ME? Yes, players will generally purchase an ME50 over an ME20, but do you as the BPO owner, feel its profitable to have that BPO in limbo, for at least another 6 months or so, just to make few hundred thousand more ISK per BPC sale? The 6 months you spend taking the ME up, could net you millions in profit on the already ME20 BPO. Same sort of discussion happened a while back on attribute skills, and how the tier 2 attribute skills were not worth taking to lvl 5 as a newer player. The time wasted getting them to 5, could have been put to far better use in combat, industry, or trade skills, with little effect on overall training time of those skills.
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Emo Jelli
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Posted - 2007.01.02 09:17:00 -
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ME research if anything should take longer.
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RaTTuS
BIG R i s e
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Posted - 2007.01.02 09:38:00 -
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Tech2 ME research is mostly not very useful after ME 1 [or 2 if you push it] - you just dont use as many parts in construction to make it worth while - even ammo. PE research on tech2 is more useful. [PE3]
ME research on most things is not really useful after ME5 [ships included - apart from when your selling BPc's]
though Empire POS lab slots are very handy - and take 75% of the time to run -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal | RaTTuS @ Skills Showroom
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ArtemisEntreri
Turbulent Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.02 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68 I've never seen a dog eat another dog. I wonder how that expression originated...
I have
no I'm not kidding
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2007.01.02 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Achoo Blessyou Or just pay someone to put the BPO in their lab for you.
There are plenty of people like me who charge a couple of million a week for this service, so there really is no need for added NPC slots.
and where would you be offering such services (we are in need of a few rig BP researched a bit) ? Can i contact you in game? If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!! |
Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.02 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tachy
Originally by: Venkul Mul [...]
The best solution is building a research station in high security.
The only dubt: has the bug about CONCORD not defending a POS aggressed without a war declaration been resolved?
It doesn't matter. With scientific networking you can have the BPO in a corp hangar at an NPC station in the system where the research lab is sitting.
Still I wouldn't like to lose the POS, you know .
The only use I see for insanely high ME BPO is for making copies for invention (another can of worms).
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Dr Ming
Mindworks
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Posted - 2007.01.02 12:53:00 -
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Right.
Either train to fly a covert-ops ship, or pay a covert-ops pilot to deliver your BPO to a station with a low wait time.
Or set up a research POS. Or pay someone who has one.
Or just buy an already researched BPO.
There are ingame options, they exist for the reasons you outlined in your original post.
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Shakuul
Caldari The Imperial Commonwealth The Sundering
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Posted - 2007.01.03 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Leianna In the case of a ship BPO, once you get it to ME 25 or so, at what point do you feel its no longer worth the wasted time gaining extra ME? Yes, players will generally purchase an ME50 over an ME20, but do you as the BPO owner, feel its profitable to have that BPO in limbo, for at least another 6 months or so, just to make few hundred thousand more ISK per BPC sale? The 6 months you spend taking the ME up, could net you millions in profit on the already ME20 BPO.
Of course, if I can do research on another BPO, that one gets priority. However, sometimes I'll be out of minerals, or making lots of another item, or whatever, so I just research inactive BPOs.
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sam Nova
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.05 09:55:00 -
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Thanks for your feed back, I'm going to chase down the POS process. I did run to several regions, and about every Materials Research center was about 16-30 days before your BPO would run.
Sam Nova
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Smagd
Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.01.05 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: sam Nova Thanks for your feed back, I'm going to chase down the POS process. I did run to several regions, and about every Materials Research center was about 16-30 days before your BPO would run.
Sam Nova
Just because it hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet: The sort order option on the "next available" column is a bit buggy currently: It sorts by text comparison, not by time, hence if there's any slots open in 8 minutes or 4 hours, those will get sorted behind the 16 days, 20 days or 30 days slots.
But from the regions I frequent you may well be right - even low sec has now ME research labs that won't accept jobs in the next 10 days.
BTW I fully endorse the ME reearch POS. --
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