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jin ko82
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.12 05:59:00 -
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i see 2 really good fits and i cant decide which one would have the longest range.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/57601-Talos-25km.html
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/57397-Shield-Buffer-Blaster-Naga.html
im a gallente pilot but im also trained for shield tanking. |
egola
NSFW federation
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Posted - 2011.12.12 06:09:00 -
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notsureifserious |
jin ko82
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.12 06:11:00 -
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yes im serious |
jin ko82
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.12 06:15:00 -
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im only wondering which ship would have the best range with blasters |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2011.12.12 06:22:00 -
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jin ko82 wrote:im only wondering which ship would have the best range with blasters
Without looking at the fits, I'd say the ship with the range bonus would win. |
Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.12 08:24:00 -
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Longest range? Naga, because Talos doesnt have any range bonus. Tho optimal range isnt that great for blasters but you asked for it... |
Smabs
Higher Than Everest BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.12.12 10:19:00 -
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Blaster naga with 1 TE and null is 19+20km
Blaster talos with 2 TE and null is 15+26km |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.12 11:51:00 -
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Smabs wrote:Blaster naga with 1 TE and null is 19+20km
Blaster talos with 2 TE and null is 15+26km
DMG output goes for Talos
Tank goes for Naga
At 20km Naga wins. |
Smabs
Higher Than Everest BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.12.12 12:33:00 -
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Yeah it's weird that the naga is a stronger blaster ship. I wish the talos had another mid then it'd could be a really good ship but it's kinda poor outside of 70-120km rail fits. |
Panhead4411
Adventures with Bill
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Posted - 2011.12.12 12:37:00 -
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server fail double post....can we fix this soon? |
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Panhead4411
Adventures with Bill
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Posted - 2011.12.12 12:39:00 -
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Server fail ate my post again....cliff notes:
In my runs so far, Naga has same dmg as Talos, AND can fit a relative tank while maintaining dmg, where Talos has to pick one or the other. |
Daedalus Arcova
Havoc Violence and Chaos
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Posted - 2011.12.12 12:58:00 -
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Why the hell would you shield tank a Talos? |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.12.12 13:06:00 -
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Daedalus Arcova wrote:Why the hell would you shield tank a Talos?
Because a 1600 and neutrons don't fit.
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Gary Goat
XDC-UK THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2011.12.12 18:04:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Daedalus Arcova wrote:Why the hell would you shield tank a Talos? Because a 1600 and neutrons don't fit.
Yes, they do |
Claire Gally
Sense of Serendipity Echoes of Nowhere
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Posted - 2011.12.13 14:21:00 -
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Talos sounds a better choice to me. Not only it looks better (I know, it's a matter of opinion), but it also has a drone-bay, which should offset the other minor differences between the Talos and the Naga. |
Dark Voynix
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.13 15:36:00 -
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Some time ago i posted a talos setup i was intended to try. have a look. Personally i prefer the talos over the naga because of the the tracking bonus + the drone bay.
neutron talos + 1600mm +mwd |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2011.12.13 15:53:00 -
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Your Talos setup does not have tackle so I got to thinking if your gang has enough tackle to hold down your prey anyway then why not set up the Naga similar. You know that these things are pretty much perma primary because people assume there tank is paper thin.
[Naga, New Setup 3] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Large Shield Extender II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
62k EHP 930 DPS CNAM, almost 50% more then a Shield Cane. If you drop the second MFS for a PDU and fit 3 LSE II's you get closer to 70k EHP and 780 DPS.
Not relevant to your range requests but it makes the ship no longer a Glass Cannon and more like the Iron kind. |
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:03:00 -
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Both ships can get the same dps with the same number of damage mods (the extra lows on the Talos let you fit TEs to compensate for the Naga's range bonus).
The Naga has more HP.
The Talos can effectively hit cruisers in and out of web range, has drones to chase away frigates, and has the speed to get into blaster range.
I think the choice is pretty obvious. |
Phyress
Isumi Industries
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:07:00 -
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Daedalus Arcova wrote:Why the hell would you shield tank a Talos?
So that you can fit 2x TEs and either 3x MagStabs or 2x MagStabs and a DC in the lows. |
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:08:00 -
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Phyress wrote:Daedalus Arcova wrote:Why the hell would you shield tank a Talos? So that you can fit 2x TEs and either 3x MagStabs or 2x MagStabs and a DC in the lows.
This. Same reason you shield tank a Habinger, Brutix, Hurricane, etc, or pretty much anything that isn't flying in an armor RR gang. |
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:44:00 -
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Daedalus Arcova wrote:Why the hell would you shield tank a Talos?
Try to armor fit your Lachesis and see the difference vs the shield Lachesis with over 55K ehp, both point at same distance.
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Daedalus Arcova
Havoc Violence and Chaos
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Posted - 2011.12.13 20:39:00 -
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There are many Gallente ships that work as shield tankers. The Talos isn't one of them.
To shield tank it, you're giving up your awesome tackling suite (scram and dual webs) and 30% of your EHP for a bit of extra DPS, range and speed. Great! Brilliant! Fantastic!
Problem is, that counts for absolutely nothing because all your targets will just warp away and laugh at you.
Pointless. Literally. |
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2011.12.13 22:51:00 -
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Sure, it might not be the best idea in isolation, in an ideal world where the Talos is the only ship. But that's not the real world. In the real world of EVE combat, you have to compare a setup to all ships in the game. And you have to ask questions like "why am I flying a Talos in the first place".
The answer of course is that you need both battleship-level dps and cruiser-level speed and agility, probably because you're flying in a cruiser-and-below gang. If your priority is just dps/tank and speed doesn't matter, why aren't you flying a battleship instead and getting more of both?
So, if you're going to fly a Talos and make good use of its strengths, you either fit a shield tank or no tank at all. |
Twylla
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.14 01:29:00 -
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If you're flying alone, fly a brutix/myrm/ferox/drake etc. Their medium weapon resolution offers much more versatility.
The Tier 3 BC's are fleet ships, a cheaper alternative to battleships, and are a magnitude more expensive to purchase and fit than their pre-existing siblings. nearly all ships ultimately die under the same circumstance: overwhelmed, not outperformed.
Tier 3's should be in cruiser gangs as a damage dealer *****, and leave the tackle to tackle. You aren't tackle in this ship. If you are, don't fly this. Fly a dram, an inty, vaga/diemost, etc.
Pick your role, then pick your ship for the role, then fit to the ship. Don't pick a ship and fit to the role.
*edited for clarity |
Daedalus Arcova
Havoc Violence and Chaos
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Posted - 2011.12.14 13:17:00 -
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I don't know about you guys, but in every small gang I've ever flown in, any ship (barring battleships, logistics and snipers) that doesn't have at least one point fitted, is a total fail, because you never know when you'll be the only ship in range to point something. The shield Talos can't point anything ever, which is why no self-respecting FC would ever allow it in a fleet. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.12.14 13:20:00 -
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Daedalus Arcova wrote:I don't know about you guys, but in every small gang I've ever flown in, any ship (barring battleships, logistics and snipers) that doesn't have at least one point fitted, is a total fail, because you never know when you'll be the only ship in range to point something. The shield Talos can't point anything ever, which is why no self-respecting FC would ever allow it in a fleet.
Pretty sure talos has enough mids to fit a piont...
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