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Frogsley Babylon. Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.01.03 10:59:00 - [31] Originally by: RichThugster so if i created a corp that did all aspect of eve and took on all careers of ppl (miners, PVPers, NPCers, Traders ETC) and then refused ppl entry simply on the fact of them being */*****/bisexual/transgender, i would be flamed to hell and back. So why is it ok the other way round? IMHO ppl can do what they want, so long as your not forced to watch, exactly the same for heterosexual couples. So my thinking would perhaps favour a separate entity like this, however its like saying white ppl and black ppl have different interests, they should form 2 different corps. Its nothing more than segregation. Now you make sure actually reading the posts doesn't get in the way of your chance to spout your latent bigotry, you hear? Mad Props (I'm down with the internet kids, damnit) for Nealla for trying to get something off the ground.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.03 10:59:00 - [32] Why do those people need to stand up and yell their weird perverted ways to me? I don't tell others my ways eighter nor setup corps. Also I don't wanna know what you like to do in your free time and not certainly that to be pushed to my face. EVE is game. Please let it stay like that, thank you "It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö" "A world without pain"
Sharcy Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:07:00 - [33] My guess is that most ppl with alternative lifestyles will choose to stay in mixed corps, as most often they'll have other platforms to interact with like minded/oriented ppl. So a chat channel might be more succesful, especially to start with; then, if real friendships and bonds start forming from chatting, maybe ppl will be more inclined to form up as a corp. Playing the game of EVE is why we're here foremost, after all. --
Saint Juniper The Black Seal	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:09:00 - [34] "issues" and "agendas", there goes another game down the drain. What's next, an eco-friendly guild for people who run their computers off caged hamsters? wait, that'd bother the animal-rights corporation. Let's hope the liberal corps aren't around to push some energy market agenda.
Nealla Fraer Kings Of The SAHARA	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:09:00 - [35] Originally by: Sharcy My guess is that most ppl with alternative lifestyles will choose to stay in mixed corps, as most often they'll have other platforms to interact with like minded/oriented ppl. So a chat channel might be more succesful, especially to start with; then, if real friendships and bonds start forming from chatting, maybe ppl will be more inclined to form up as a corp. Playing the game of EVE is why we're here foremost, after all. I created a chat channel. Message me in-game for an invite. Or is there a way to make it open to all? Thanks.
Goodtime Girl Amarr Anger Management	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:16:00 - [36] Edited by: Goodtime Girl on 03/01/2007 11:18:36 Quote: if this player wishes to setup this corp he has fullpermission to do such as EVE is freeform and there are no rules that say you have to RP in EVE, nobody is going to force you to join and harassment of said corp will be treated in exactly the same was as it would against any other corp by the GM team On that note then CCP I have been wondering, How many people out there would like to join a minority corp called "White and Proud "
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:16:00 - [37] Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/01/2007 11:18:54 I noticed some fella just got his post deleted. I'm not going to re-quote it because that would be against the forum rules. I do think it however poses an interesting conundrum. The poster said something along the lines of "Why do we have to be reminded of what others do in their free time? this is a game".. or something to that effect... there was other stuff too that probably pushed it beyond what ISD consider acceptable. Which is fine. Not discussing moderation here just trying to highlight something. EVE is a game played by thousands.... from all over the world. Now the developers and CCP are from Iceland, a European country. Europe, particulary northern europeans are progressive in their outlook towards minority issues. However, other nationalities may not be so understanding about certain issues.. and the idea of a GLBT entity may genuinely offend, for cultural reasons. OFC then the user from such a cultural background, will have to make a decision... do I go along with CCP's view on the issue.. or do I stop playing because I am offended. I'm just wondering how long before we see a christian or muslim corporation..... and with that worrying thought.. i'll end my post. [edit:typo]
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:20:00 - [38] Edited by: Kuolematon on 03/01/2007 11:22:38 Originally by: Xorus Please keep it on topic and polite people :) Mind to tell me what was wrong about my message saying that I don't like to get out of game stuff to mess around ingame? Originally by: Nez Perces Europe, particulary northern europeans are progressive in their outlook towards minority issues. I come from one of those countries you mentioned and sadly, I'm kinda of full about people saying "* AND PROUD OF IT". I find it kinda irritating that certain people can do it. But what if I want to wear a t-shirt or setup corp ingame that says "WHITE AND PROUD OF IT!" or "UGLY AND FAT .. AND PROUD OF IT". Is it still accepted or not because it's MAJORITY, not MINORITY group? "It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö*" "A world without pain"*
Sharcy Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:23:00 - [39] Nez, if someone has issues with other ppl's religion, sexual preferences, race or language, they shouldn't be playing an MMOG in the first place, especially one with 1 central server. You come to the EVE universe, you know you're going to meet ppl from all over the planet, each with their own set of morales and values. As long as no one enforces those upon others, we all should be fine. I'm not religious, but I have absolutely no problems with a christian or muslim corp... as long as they don't go at eachothers throat for being on oposite sides in RL. THAT would be crossing the border between RL and EVE. --
Captain Phallus Minmatar Gay Rights League	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:24:00 - [40] Leather chaps for all!

Goodtime Girl Amarr Anger Management	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:27:00 - [41] Quote: ppl's religion, sexual preferences, race or language These shouldn't be brought into a MMORPG
Petite Pierre Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:28:00 - [42] Edited by: Petite Pierre on 03/01/2007 11:28:29 I'm eagerly awaiting corporations such as "Goat Lovers Inc." and "Graveyard Cuties Ltd.". CCP can't draw a line on this one, the "politically correct" phrase prevents them. Anyway, I i were to be bi-sexual or Gay, or whatever sexual disfunctional "minority", would I really want to be exposed to mockery and abuse in a online game, where calling someone "FGT!" on local is oh, so common... ? Gays, bisexuals and trannies all over EvE, think twice. --------------------
Nealla Fraer Kings Of The SAHARA	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:28:00 - [43] Omg, you people. This isn't some sort of EVE take over that will have us fighting over the rights a g ay and l esbian minmatar and gallentes being able to wed each other. This is a simple corporation. Probably small. With a few people who want to play their favorite video game. . . together. EVE is part of being in a community. This is just a part of that community getting together. More than likely, we'd be in a seperate part of space, far from you. (EVE is really really big.) You'd probably never see us. You'd probably never here from us. We'd just be once of the black boxes with the ! that you never really look at as you jump through space on yet another long trip. The only people who this will truely affect are the people that might actually join. So please calm down and relax. And remember my origanal question. Would anyone actually want to join?
Frogsley Babylon. Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:31:00 - [44] Originally by: Kuolematon Edited by: Kuolematon on 03/01/2007 11:22:38 Originally by: Xorus Please keep it on topic and polite people :) Mind to tell me what was wrong about my message saying that I don't like to get out of game stuff to mess around ingame? Originally by: Nez Perces Europe, particulary northern europeans are progressive in their outlook towards minority issues. I come from one of those countries you mentioned and sadly, I'm kinda of full about people saying "* AND PROUD OF IT". I find it kinda irritating that certain people can do it. But what if I want to wear a t-shirt or setup corp ingame that says "WHITE AND PROUD OF IT!" or "UGLY AND FAT .. AND PROUD OF IT". Is it still accepted or not because it's MAJORITY, not MINORITY group? The first question is pretty easy, but it was moderated along with my post so I shan't mention it :) I too am from a European Country. The thing is, saying * and Proud of it is fine - I don't think there has been a long history of heterosexual repression in our countries, more the other way round. All Nealla is doing is sounding out the possibility of a corp/chat channel for people that just aren't able to be themselves in this game without copping an earful of the most horrific bigoted nonsense imaginable. She certainly isn't trying to put anybody down, and is being inclusive about the whole thing. No-one is saying *** ONLY.
Leilani Solaris Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:31:00 - [45] I think the more worrying thing is that fact that * and ***** are filtered by the profanity filter. Outbreak Killboard
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:32:00 - [46] Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/01/2007 11:33:24 Originally by: Sharcy Nez, if someone has issues with other ppl's religion, sexual preferences, race or language, they shouldn't be playing an MMOG in the first place, especially one with 1 central server. And it says that where.. in the EULA? Hey I just looked at the EULA and it didnt mention anything of the kind. Now what I do agree with is that even if you have problems with other ppl's religion, sexual preferences, race etc.... you behave yourself ingame and you don't bring it up. However, if these issues are highlighted publicly like the OP is doing... then it becomes more difficult doesn't it? furthermore if the owner of the game approves of the displaying of such issues such as with a GLBT entity... then the person that has a problem with it.. is gonna have to make a deicision as to wether he will feel comfortable playing EVE at all. I mean a GLBT merc corp could very well be making regular announcements on the CAOD forum... in the future. Its difficult to keep your feelings bottled up if something has a high public profile.
Irrilian Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:33:00 - [47] I really don't think a ghetto for any particular minority community would be productive, be it sexual orientation, religion, etc. Far better to be out in the open interacting with others and demonstrating that the crass stereotypes are just that, rather than hiding away and even potentially giving license for others to persecute you for them. Risk vs reward for scams and thievery
Verus Potestas Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:34:00 - [48] Originally by: Leilani Solaris I think the more worrying thing is that fact that * and *** are filtered by the profanity filter. Agreed. However, I find it even more abhorrent that * is filtered while vagina isn't! Feminists are taking over! --- In third-party forums we trust Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No, **heads, its my text, not yours.
Frogsley Babylon. Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:34:00 - [49] Originally by: Nez Perces I mean a GLBT merc corp could very well be making regular announcements on the CAOD forum... in the future. This would truly make Eve the best game ever
Nealla Fraer Kings Of The SAHARA	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:35:00 - [50] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 03/01/2007 11:33:24 Originally by: Sharcy Nez, if someone has issues with other ppl's religion, sexual preferences, race or language, they shouldn't be playing an MMOG in the first place, especially one with 1 central server. And it says that where.. in the EULA? Hey I just looked at the EULA and it didnt mention anything of the kind. Now what I do agree with is that even if you have problems with other ppl's religion, sexual preferences, race etc.... you behave yourself ingame and you don't bring it up. However, if these issues are highlighted publicly like the OP is doing... then it becomes more difficult doesn't it? furthermore if the owner of the game approves of the displaying of such issues such as with a GLBT entity... then the person that has a problem with it.. is gonna have to make a deicision as to wether he will feel comfortable playing EVE at all. I mean a GLBT merc corp could very well be making regular announcements on the CAOD forum... in the future. Its difficult to keep your feelings bottled up if something has a high public profile. I'm pretty sure it's easier to keep your mouth shut and your fingers away from the keyboard than it is to actually form the words and announce them.

Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:36:00 - [51] Originally by: Irrilian I really don't think a ghetto for any particular minority community would be productive, be it sexual orientation, religion, etc. Far better to be out in the open interacting with others and demonstrating that the crass stereotypes are just that, rather than hiding away and even potentially giving license for others to persecute you for them. Exactly.. the whole thing is just political correctness at its worst and counter-productive, doing nobody any favours. Least of all the minority groups.
Frogsley Babylon. Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:40:00 - [52] Originally by: Nez Perces Exactly.. the whole thing is just political correctness at its worst and counter-productive, doing nobody any favours. Least of all the minority groups. Why don't you let the 'minority group' decide for themselves? they aren't advocating harming anyone? Just want to avoid some of the real nastiness that has been displayed on this thread (and thankfully modded out) and be themselves.
Gothikia Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:40:00 - [53] Originally by: Leilani Solaris I think the more worrying thing is that fact that * and ***** are filtered by the profanity filter. i've been complaining to them for ages about it, usually i just get a warning and told to stfu.. btw there was a channel already created, channel was 'bisexual' but peeps stopped going in it long ago, might be worth bringing it back since i gave gothie admin on it _________________________ This is my new sig... it sucks cos ISD pwned the last one... but gothie shall prevail, muahahahah! one love, gothie ♥
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:42:00 - [54] Originally by: Frogsley Why don't you let the 'minority group' decide for themselves? they aren't advocating harming anyone? Just want to avoid some of the real nastiness that has been displayed on this thread (and thankfully modded out) and be themselves. How do you know I'm not one of these "minority groups"? You don't and thats the way it should be. EVE is EVE.... RL you will find by pressing ctrl-Q.
Nealla Fraer Kings Of The SAHARA	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:43:00 - [55] Originally by: Gothikia btw there was a channel already created, channel was 'bisexual' but peeps stopped going in it long ago, might be worth bringing it back since i gave gothie admin on it I created a chat channel called GLBTA. More inclusive that way. Gotta keep everybody feeling welcome .
Saint Juniper The Black Seal	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:45:00 - [56] Wait until they got a wardec from one of those pirate corps - since they are GLBT, will they claim they being harrassed because of their sexual orientation and ask for GM intervention on the grounds of a possible discrimination lawsuit for CCP?
Myadra Amarr Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:45:00 - [57] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Frogsley Why don't you let the 'minority group' decide for themselves? they aren't advocating harming anyone? Just want to avoid some of the real nastiness that has been displayed on this thread (and thankfully modded out) and be themselves. How do you know I'm not one of these "minority groups"? You don't and thats the way it should be. EVE is EVE.... RL you will find by pressing ctrl-Q. I'll 2nd that too... BL-IN site & Killboard
Verus Potestas Caldari The I-Win Button	Posted - 2007.01.03 11:46:00 - [58] Originally by: Saint Juniper Wait until they got a wardec from one of those pirate corps - since they are GLBT, will they claim they being harrassed because of their sexual orientation and ask for GM intervention on the grounds of a possible discrimination lawsuit for CCP? hahaha, if they start it, I might well dec them for a month just to see if that happens --- In third-party forums we trust Did i ask for anyone to copy this into their sig? No, ****heads, its my text, not yours.
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.03 12:12:00 - [59] Originally by: Nealla Fraer I have been wondering, How many people out there would like to join a minority corp. for *, ****, Bisexual, Transgender pilots in EVE? (Straight Allies would be more than welcome, but homophobes, not so much.) I, myself, am getting annoyed by the rampant homophobia presented in many places within our galaxy and the gaming world as a whole. Sometimes, I would just like a place to relax and not worry about such things. All people of skill levels, jobs, and races would be welcome and we would operate just as any other corporation. Input and opinions welcome. (No, not those types of opinions.) Thanks. Pretty much all corps that form based on players all being the same are lame. I can only think of one exception to that. The language barrier can be difficult going from other languages. Especially romantic languages to Commie. Translators don't work very well. The first time I heard Evil Thug on TS I didn't know whether to laugh at the butchered translator or lock my doors and hide because of the scary voice. But I don't speak Commie either so I guess I can't complain. To me that makes the RA situation understandable. Other than that banding together because you're similar in RL is kinda gy tbh. I've got to say that it seems like you are asking for special treatment from the eve community without doing anything in game to deserve it. I think that's a bull** attitude. Being on the same side as people who you would probably never talk to IRL makes eve a unique game. Why miss out on that? Because someone called you names? boohoo? Eve is an extraordinarily mean and cruel game. That's just the way it is. Someone calling you names or being insensitive is in no way out of the ordinary and does not make you special. If you can't handle that then go play The Simms. People giving you crap in eve for no good reason is part of the game. I'm all for G/L/T equal rights. But equal really does mean equal. You don't get special treatment. If there is any excuse to rip on someone in eve people are going to take it. I wouldn't make fun of someone for being in a different race/religion/orientation/etc IRL but eve is eve. This game is tolerant of absolutly nothing. My advice to you is quit being such a cry baby. Suck it up and deal with it. If someone says something to you that you don't like then shoot them. You're ship has turret slots for a reason. One question for you. If you can't tolerate other people's intolerance then what makes you any different then them? You're basically doing the same thing they are. But hey, do what you want. If you think you are going to get less homophobic slander if you make an all GLT corp then you must be high. But if you are going to do it make sure you're ready to fight. People will give you endless crap and the only way you'll get any respect is to kill em all. I hope you don't take all that the wrong way. On the bright side people probably won't give you crap for being a homo anymore. They will be way too busy smacking you for being a crybaby. Also keep in mind that if you are looking for a GLT there are some available. You might want to consider joining MGRL or Celestial Apocalypse. Originally by:** CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-

Xorus Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.03 12:19:00 - [60] Locked while i clean don't panic it will return :) ---




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