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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
Does Not Compute
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Posted - 2007.01.05 10:37:00 -
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***Puts on tinfoil hat***
Ok lets be fair with the now introduction of D2 to the ISS+Friends Vs Anyone thats bored I think it's fair to say their going to get nailed... Or maybe not, Depends what D2 want from them. And IAC for that matter, AAA etc etc.
Now for the tin foil hattyness  
#Theoreticly imagine you where one in high command of ISS, Your dream is falling apart around you. Theres little hope of any salvation yardy yar and your merc corps are no longer enough.......
What would you do with all the assets and corp funds at your disposal  I'd make a guesse what the average person kicked into a corner would do. And it wouldn't bode well with the alliance members and those with shares 
Or maybe i'm just an ebil man, But if ISS get butchered, I think it's more than just the outposts & stations the alliance members will lose
Alliaanna
DNC Treasure Hunt !!
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
Does Not Compute
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Posted - 2007.01.05 10:38:00 -
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I'm sorry  It's friday and i'm really bored, if anyone would prefer to talk about cheese instead thats cool ?
I like Blue Stilton, looks like ****, smells like ****.. tastes bloody gorgeous !
Alliaanna
DNC Treasure Hunt !!
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Julien Derida
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.05 10:40:00 -
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ChFvre 4tw. Goats > Cows.
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Exelsior
Colossus Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.05 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: Exelsior on 05/01/2007 10:43:02
I'd hire BoB :P
Since (i think) they have eventual plans for D2 and are NAPed with LV anyway they fit in quite well on ISS's side.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
Does Not Compute
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Posted - 2007.01.05 10:44:00 -
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I'm not convinced BoB would take a contract against D2 / IAC / AAA / Goonswarm and others.. They would lose. It wouldn't bode well for their e-peen.
Alliaanna
DNC Treasure Hunt !!
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Angela Toren
Amarr
Toren Shipyards
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Posted - 2007.01.05 10:47:00 -
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Only BOB can save ISS now and somehow I don't think they want to go toe to toe with D2 who have been building thier fleets quietly up north for several months now and are fresh for war.
Bobs has just come off from a heavy campaign with ASCN and I do not believe they are in any shape to take on a epeen of D2's size just now.
As for the shareholders, I expect they will put pressure on ISS to stop this pointless bravado style of space cowboism and get back to making money.
I would assume to appease IAC, D2 and friends ISS would be require to give away assets - thats if they are not taken by force.
Whatever happens I think the shareholders are set to give ISS a harder time than any of thier enemies. ISS launced a new IPO recently that 500billion one, they've said no shareholder money has been used in the hiring of mercs, if that is so then even if ISS falls the money can be returned to shareholders.
This will need to be clarified as the money affects a large number of the playerbase.
In any event, ISS needs to eat humble pie and make peace while it still has a chance.
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Exelsior
Colossus Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.05 10:49:00 -
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Edited by: Exelsior on 05/01/2007 10:50:06
 Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
I'm not convinced BoB would take a contract against D2 / IAC / AAA / Goonswarm and others.. They would lose. It wouldn't bode well for their e-peen.
Alliaanna
It wouldn't be BoB on their own. It would be:
BoB, LV, ISS, MC, other mercenaries
vs
D2, AAA, IAC, Goons, RA.
I'd actually say that's a pretty good and fair lineup.
Edit: Forgot to mention Xelas and Fix would probably join in with BoB.
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searchi
tiberian suns
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:01:00 -
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good move id say but probably the d2 gyus just read our mutterings and laugh.
atacking bob in their own space would be a tough nut to *****. making them come north maybe is a whole different story.
if nothing bigger comes out of this then ec is a nice asset to have as one of the 2 importent entry points to the northern regions. especially when someday sentry guns are introduced. that will probably change a lot in the torrinos/ec situation.
the ec outpost was probabl more trouble then profit for iss anway. but the northern alliances wouldnt want somebody else controlling sentries at the torrinos gate.
probably this is a stone trown in a pond to get the whole war thing going. good timing too.
arjun
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It WasntMe
Pegasus Mining and Securities
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:01:00 -
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dont think bob lost much vs ascn now did they ? hell they even get tons of isk from ex ascn that want to live there
and fix pays bob aswel at querious so dont think bob has any problems taking on d2
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Orlando Gardner
The Older Gamers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:02:00 -
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"what happens if ISS fall"
well it spells the end of the 'industrial alliance' now that both ASCN and ISS have pretty much collapsed the lesson EVE is teaching us is
if you can't defend your outposts you will be exposed.
by bob or iac or whoever the fk.
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:02:00 -
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From the shareholders' perspective you have to look at the individual businesses of ISS, not get stuck in the In-Game-Alliance mindset.
ISS public stations are held by four operating corporations ISSCA (ISS Cassini in EC-P8R), ISSBO (ISS Borealis in Pure Blind), ISSPO (the two providence stations), ISSMO (the two Catch stations). They have no assets as such bar the stations and the POS and fuel stocks. Their revenue each month from docking fees, market fees, repairs, moon rentals, and office rentals cover the running costs with the remainder paid out as dividends to the shareholders. Once the stations are lost there are no dividends, no running costs. Done - nothing further happens - your shares sit in your wallet and the monthly mail from Serenity Steele's alt with you dividend doesn turn up any more.
The private stations in Tenerifis continue as they are till they fall, with rent being paid to the landlord each week/month, till it stops. This has no bearing on anyone but the ISS corps and their landlord.
The new IPO? Look at the details ... they lose the synergy of trading in their own stations, but the baskets of goods stay on sale. The loans with guarantees continue to be paid. The Heavy industry does a lot more of its work in empire. Not sure what else is affected. Plans for new stations will have to go on hold .. unless they can make arrangements in some newly conquered territory.
ISS could easily just it back and say .. you want the stations take them .. we can't oppose D2 or any other major power and never pretended we could.
Looks like ISS have to play the long game and see what happens next .. if its leading players don't just rip it up and say, oh well, good try.
Myn
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jernej
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:06:00 -
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afaik BoB doesn't like ISS but business is business. And if D2 comes down south with something that can't logg off or dock... How in the world could we possibly resist ? 
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Emrod
Amarr
Legion Du Lys
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: Emrod on 05/01/2007 11:09:22
Edited by: Emrod on 05/01/2007 11:08:50
"what happens if ISS fall"
Nothing.....new.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Orlando Gardner
well it spells the end of the 'industrial alliance' now that both ASCN and ISS have pretty much collapsed the lesson EVE is teaching us is
if you can't defend your outposts you will be exposed.
by bob or iac or whoever the fk.
QFT
These industrial type alliances were a pipedream anyways.... and now its over. And about time too.
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ollobrains
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:20:00 -
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BOB and MC have a good working relationship - MC and ISS have a good business relationship - the triangle of BOB renting space in the south - MC being hired by whomever pays the bills but with a "special" relationship with bob i havent seen anyone hire MC yet to attack bob the price would have to be massive and for this reason i cant see BOB siding in an attack on ISS.
Its in bobs interest to keep the pet and rent corps in the south in their pocket maintain MC as an option and keep ISS at arms length but with a business friendly relationship ( it also prevents any other industrial alliacne rising up)
d2 would have to be careful very careful by attacking ISS ( they would need LV, RAGOON and a few others onsdie)
but as we have seen before at one point we were looking at North versus south but what happened EU popped up to attack the big blue. SA first decided to go rogue and attack FIX then everything fell into line ASCN recovered BOB felt a threat so wiped them out.
Its balanced and there are a lot of other influences at work of course. But an interesting 3 months to go - now with ASCN down to 1000 members and within a month expecting it to be a nub of what it was. Whats next bob need targets to keep their guys happy grand campaigns to prevent a breakup
So they have pretty well 3 options ( d2, RAGOON or LV) all 3 apparently have titans. d2 would present a threat but bob may go at RAGOON and perhaps terrorise the old stain and ASCN territories, and give the other mobs time to see what they do before stirring the buckets up
All posts made by myself represent my personal opinion only - they do not represent the rest of the privateer alliacne unless they decide to agree with what im saying
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Cardassius
Caldari
Seraphin Technologies
S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Cardassius on 05/01/2007 11:34:08
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Orlando Gardner
well it spells the end of the 'industrial alliance' now that both ASCN and ISS have pretty much collapsed the lesson EVE is teaching us is
if you can't defend your outposts you will be exposed.
by bob or iac or whoever the fk.
QFT
These industrial type alliances were a pipedream anyways.... and now its over. And about time too.
Hi nezzy ;)
ISS isn't dead cause they have iskies :P and shares :)
They hired a bunch of people to kick IAC in the nuts.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 05/01/2007 12:26:24
Originally by: Cardassius
Hi nezzy ;)
ISS isn't dead cause they have iskies :P and shares :)
They hired a bunch of people to kick IAC in the nuts.
Made a picture just for you... .. hope you are keeping well bud.
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Exelsior
Colossus Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
Edited by: Nez Perces on 05/01/2007 12:26:24
Originally by: Cardassius
Hi nezzy ;)
ISS isn't dead cause they have iskies :P and shares :)
They hired a bunch of people to kick IAC in the nuts.
Made a picture just for you... .. hope you are keeping well bud.
That's cute, but you forgot to change the dates on the bottom and it still says 1927-1933. 
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Sergio Ling
Standard Operations Building Services
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:36:00 -
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the thing to consider is ISS are really spread out, and dont technically claim any space. so to really hurt them, you have to travel around EVE knocking down a lot of towers, which is boring. Now, if all D2 want to do is camp some outposts and kill covetors (which I'm pretty sure was the original IAC intention) then fair play. But ERADICATING ISS is a long and boring process
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Exelsior
That's cute, but you forgot to change the dates on the bottom and it still says 1927-1933.
It does?? Rats ..... I knew I forgot something.
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Orlando Gardner
well it spells the end of the 'industrial alliance' now that both ASCN and ISS have pretty much collapsed the lesson EVE is teaching us is
if you can't defend your outposts you will be exposed.
by bob or iac or whoever the fk.
QFT
These industrial type alliances were a pipedream anyways.... and now its over. And about time too.
I dunno, I'd like to see ISS succeed further.
But only after some changes.
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Fi T'Zeh
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Orlando Gardner
well it spells the end of the 'industrial alliance' now that both ASCN and ISS have pretty much collapsed the lesson EVE is teaching us is
if you can't defend your outposts you will be exposed.
by bob or iac or whoever the fk.
QFT
These industrial type alliances were a pipedream anyways.... and now its over. And about time too.
I dunno, I'd like to see ISS succeed further.
But only after some changes.
Such as no longer owning any stations? Which, on the face of it, will be the outcome of the current gang bang.
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Kryztal
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:30:00 -
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Who cares about ISS ?
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Potty
Caldari
Thundercats
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:39:00 -
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Hello, I know am in RaZoR and thus allied to Dusk and Dawn but just forget that a minuet... am going to say things how I think, not my corporation or alliance.
Right then:
I Believe that ISS are BoB alts/buddies/puppets ect ect. Now if BoB wanted to attack D2 or ever wanted they would require secure points they can base their operations from. Heading from empire to d2 space would be a ball ache so it makes since to control a "neut" alliance that has stations located close to d2 space where you can freely move supplies and ships to.
(DonĘt forget d2 have already had a go at iss for apparently reporting d2 movement to BoB. Not sure if its true or not but was the reason given for the toe to toe a few months ago.)
So I think that D2 want to test this. If you were BoB and you had some how taken over ISS for a staging point wouldnĘt you go to their aid? Or move forward your plans to attack?. So I think its D2 testing bob after a few months of building their forces when BoB is not expecting it or had been but just not when they wanted to go.
Failing that, and it has nothing to do with D2 wanting to push BoB. ItĘs a bad idea have a neut alliance with station so close to your space anyway. So itĘs a good defensive move.
I hope my BoB idea is right because it could pull in thousands of players, 10Ęs of alliances and be one of the most epic warĘs eve has yet seen.
Who will win no idea, but it will sure be fun.
Of course this is all IMO and I have been wrong before so we see if am wrong again.
Ta
Potty
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
Does Not Compute
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kryztal
Who cares about ISS ?
BoB have their own threads, go away.
Alliaanna
DNC Treasure Hunt !!
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Nina Kabrinski
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:45:00 -
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<3 mods for removing the original wardec-thread...seems like the forum doesnt stand too much dbp-postings at once...
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Algey
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Angela Toren
Only BOB can save ISS now and somehow I don't think they want to go toe to toe with D2 who have been building thier fleets quietly up north for several months now and are fresh for war.
Bobs has just come off from a heavy campaign with ASCN and I do not believe they are in any shape to take on a epeen of D2's size just now.
As for the shareholders, I expect they will put pressure on ISS to stop this pointless bravado style of space cowboism and get back to making money.
I would assume to appease IAC, D2 and friends ISS would be require to give away assets - thats if they are not taken by force.
Whatever happens I think the shareholders are set to give ISS a harder time than any of thier enemies. ISS launced a new IPO recently that 500billion one, they've said no shareholder money has been used in the hiring of mercs, if that is so then even if ISS falls the money can be returned to shareholders.
This will need to be clarified as the money affects a large number of the playerbase.
In any event, ISS needs to eat humble pie and make peace while it still has a chance.
What a rediculous statement.
We have no form of bravado style space cowboyism. ISS doesn't own any assets, and the IPO is totally independant of the stations. We have gone out of our way to protect our stations yes, however we have never initiated hostilities of tried to join in the alliance politics in 0.0.
Look, if a couple of stations get captured then the holding company gets liquidated. If all of the stations get captured, each of the station holding companies are liquidated, however there is no affect to the ISS IPO, since that isn't used to build or maintain stations.
ISS would continue to function, continue to run the IPO, trading and building to pay the dividends.
The only people who would be hurt are the shareholders. These are the people who invested in the station holding companies, and who are defended by ISS to the best of our ability.
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Butter Dog
Wreckless Abandon
The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kryztal
Who cares about ISS ?
My understanding was that BoB gave them an outpost and are their biggest shareholders
Anyway... about this thread. Heh, heard it all before. This is the second time D2 have made ISS -10.
The stations are low value, they only have ANY value as neutral trade outposts by entites who allow pretty much anyone to dock in order to maximise revenue. None of the alliances mentioned operate that kind of policy, to an extent that the stations would be profitable.
So you are left with a group of Alliances bickering with ISS. Fair enough. But even if they DID take the outposts, all they would be left with is a bunch of unprofitable outposts in regions they don't wish to claim.
What alliance in their right mind wants to fuel 'x' number of large deathstars, in an unclaimed low-value region, for a station which is of no value to them?
Well, you tell me.
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Karunel
Princeps Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:57:00 -
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Personally, I've always thought ISS is one of the coolest things in the game, and I always talk about them when I want to drag someone into the game. That said, it's quite obvious that they lost the north when they suddenly decided they wanted their e-peen to grow, as the most likely result as we can see is it'll end up cut.
Originally by: elbenito
The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
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Potty
Caldari
Thundercats
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:59:00 -
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That's the whole point.
we all know D2 arnt very active in fighting people so why would they over as you have pointed out useless station UNLESS there is a good reason behind it. (/me bumps my post above)
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Kryztal
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Originally by: Kryztal
Who cares about ISS ?
BoB have their own threads, go away.
Alliaanna
hahahahaha BoB has been mentioned 24 times so far in this thread :P
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Potty
I Believe that ISS are BoB alts/buddies/puppets ect ect. Now if BoB wanted to attack D2 or ever wanted they would require secure points they can base their operations from. Heading from empire to d2 space would be a ball ache so it makes since to control a "neut" alliance that has stations located close to d2 space where you can freely move supplies and ships to.
Potty, you must be new to Thundercats. Thundercats have skirmished with ISS in EC-P8R in the past .. your colleagues should be able to tell you how 733T they were. ISS had (I left a few months ago) BOB at -10 and engaged them any time the entered an ISS system .. not that it happened very often. During BOB's last serious road trip North they based in the NPC stations in Pure Blind, X-7OMU especially - dock and check, they probably still have offices there. Not the two ISS Admin stations neither of whom BOB or any of its altcorps have offices at. During those few weeks ISS and BOB skirmished daily ... ISS lost approximately 40 BS fighting them.
Originally by: Potty
(DonĘt forget d2 have already had a go at iss for apparently reporting d2 movement to BoB. Not sure if its true or not but was the reason given for the toe to toe a few months ago.)
Axiom Empire were the lucky recipients of the ISS pilots reporting a D2 and allies gatecamp. At the time D2 were campin with AAA .. D2 didn't shoot ISS but AAA sure as hell did, hence ISS pilots treating any D2 gatecamp as bloody dangerous. It did not result in all out combat .. a few raids by bored D2 pilots, but nothing worth the effort.
Originally by: Potty
Who will win no idea, but it will sure be fun.
I'll be amazed if there is even a battle. The ISS business model probably doesn't include fighting a major power in the North while their Navy is practically camped in during a war in the South. D2 could have saved themselves the effort of a forum post by just saying GEEEEV.
Myn
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Princess Minnie
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: ollobrains
blah blah blah ... i cant see BOB siding in an attack on ISS .... blah blah blah
OMG, you really arent the brightest cookie on the block are you? Just so i can add some clarity to your clearly clouded and delusional brain, the OP was posing the question of BoB siding with ISS, not attacking them .... duh!
Perhaps you should stick to just worrying about empire, these thoughts of 0.0 seem to confuse you.
I never thought i would see the day that a Butter Dog post wasnt the most senseless poster in a thread.
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Le Cardinal
ECP Rogues
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:21:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Princess Minnie
Originally by: ollobrains
blah blah blah ... i cant see BOB siding in an attack on ISS .... blah blah blah
OMG, you really arent the brightest cookie on the block are you? Just so i can add some clarity to your clearly clouded and delusional brain, the OP was posing the question of BoB siding with ISS, not attacking them .... duh!
Perhaps you should stick to just worrying about empire, these thoughts of 0.0 seem to confuse you.
I never thought i would see the day that a Butter Dog post wasnt the most senseless poster in a thread.
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Edoo
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:23:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Julien Derida
ChFvre 4tw.
omg a fellow goat lover. You must be my soul mate.
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Sebroth
Coordination Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:36:00 -
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If ISS do losing everything it will only prove that there is no place for industrial alliances in 0.0 in the long run, even if they do try to be neutral. True neutrality is impossible since someone will pick on you and when that has happen the ball is on the moveą
Now I donĘt think ISS will roll over, itĘs a spread out alliance with lots of friends and they do have big part of its industry based in empire iirc.
I dunno why people believe that BOB would have any problems going out on a new war. The fact is that most alliances are able to fight and still keep their industry working for full as long as they are mostly fighting an offensive war. The only different is that some of surplus is going in to the war instead of the open market. Just take a look at the southeast corner of the map. LV have been in a constant war for a damn long time putting/loosing 100s of billions in POSs/ships to that war and still been able to build outposts and a big and nice capital fleet including one titan. Or look at RED that have been fighting the same war but more often then not been doing so in their own home systems and their ōindustryö have still done a hell of a good job. ItĘs only the will to fight that is important not how big your industrial side is, thatĘs why industrial alliances so easily get overrun by smaller PvP oriented entities. Wars are won by being able to field a superior firepower and if you donĘt have the will to fight you donĘt have the firepower.
Every single alliance in this game that has taken a break from wars has come close to or has been extinct. Big alliances canĘt afford long periods of peace since they then will grow fat and slow. Yes, they might get lots of nice ships ect but that something even a small dedicated corp can manage that. (I know a small ~30man corp able to field a bigger capital fleet them lots of the alliances out in 0.0.) D2 know this and they also know that they have grown fat and that they canĘt afford to grown a single inch more. The problem is the NAP haven they have up in the north so the only target they actually could chose is ISS. Fighting a big alliance across the map is not an option for a fat and slow alliance; they need to trim some of the fat off first.
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Harisdrop
Gallente
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:36:00 -
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Well that ruins it for me. I thought ISS was the International Space Station. I was hoping to get some shots off on the space shuttle. Could you imagine the news on ABC.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
Does Not Compute
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:43:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Harisdrop
Well that ruins it for me. I thought ISS was the International Space Station. I was hoping to get some shots off on the space shuttle. Could you imagine the news on ABC.
/Rings up the Sun.
"Terrorist organisation by the name of D2 has just announced a declaration of war on the International Space Station. Run for the hills... urrr moons ? My astronaught friends."
Do you think The Sun would buy it lol ?
Alliaanna
DNC Treasure Hunt !!
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fire 59
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:50:00 -
[39]
I think it's a little early to be talking about the fall of ISS. Are D2 actually laying siege to EC- or any other outpost of there's or just roaming? I think as was asid before they are testing the water's but it's just that, my opinion
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:57:00 -
[40]
Whatever happens, I'm sure DS will get his money back.
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solarwinds
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:59:00 -
[41]
I don't really think BoB care overly much about ISS aside from the fact that Catch is a strategically important location for D2 to stage an assault against their new space, much as D2 only care about BoB staging an assault out of one of the Pure Blind outposts.
If D2 brings the fight to the south (where all the fighting is, anyways), I really don't think BoB will engage them there. Makes more sense for them to sneak up north and rap3 and pilage.
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Butter Dog
Wreckless Abandon
The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:03:00 -
[42]
Originally by: solarwinds
... as D2 only care about BoB staging an assault out of one of the Pure Blind outposts.
BoB could base out of the NPC stations in Pure Blind.
D2 could base out of the NPC station in Stain or Fountain.
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Raven Karrde
Bre-X Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:07:00 -
[43]
I'm just wondering how long till Count looks at the nice 100+ Bil collected so far in the ISS IPO and says, thanx, was fun, see ya around. ROMEO's price was lower....
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Algey
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:12:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: solarwinds
... as D2 only care about BoB staging an assault out of one of the Pure Blind outposts.
BoB could base out of the NPC stations in Pure Blind.
D2 could base out of the NPC station in Stain or Fountain.
Shhh. Next you'll be mentioning that the new charter means that people staging out of one of our outposts would lose their docking rights.
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DeathGrip
Amarr
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:13:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Algey
Originally by: Karunel
Personally, I've always thought ISS is one of the coolest things in the game, and I always talk about them when I want to drag someone into the game. That said, it's quite obvious that they lost the north when they suddenly decided they wanted their e-peen to grow, as the most likely result as we can see is it'll end up cut.
When has ISS ever had an Epeen? We're a bunch of industrialists
You better go look at Lilan Kahn's posts a little closer then. Due to his mouth you have any Axe that will follow me (which is pretty good share of Axe) into war with you guys as well. Maybe next time he will appologize instead of continue to run his mouth.
AXE - Where the men work hard and the girls want to play. |
bow locks
UK Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:22:00 -
[46]
mmmmm, goats cheese.
If we ran alliances on lines of cheese preferences would it make for strange bedfellows?
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Algey
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:35:00 -
[47]
Originally by: DeathGrip
Originally by: Algey
Originally by: Karunel
Personally, I've always thought ISS is one of the coolest things in the game, and I always talk about them when I want to drag someone into the game. That said, it's quite obvious that they lost the north when they suddenly decided they wanted their e-peen to grow, as the most likely result as we can see is it'll end up cut.
When has ISS ever had an Epeen? We're a bunch of industrialists
You better go look at Lilan Kahn's posts a little closer then. Due to his mouth you have any Axe that will follow me (which is pretty good share of Axe) into war with you guys as well. Maybe next time he will appologize instead of continue to run his mouth.
You listen to Lilan? Thats just unhealthy.
That is like attacking ISS over Butterdog.
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:50:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 05/01/2007 15:53:15
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 05/01/2007 15:50:23
Originally by: DeathGrip
You better go look at Lilan Kahn's posts a little closer then. Due to his mouth you have any Axe that will follow me (which is pretty good share of Axe) into war with you guys as well. Maybe next time he will appologize instead of continue to run his mouth.
You are asking Lilan to apologize because, what? AAA were too hard for you, but Lilan, whose alliance is currently getting gangbanged, is more your PvP level, but you'd better bring some mates ... er .. lots of mates?
Do you have ANY idea how it sounds, AXE saying they are coming to get an ISS pilot and getting together a huge posse to do it when you know what their current sitatuation is? Good grief man, have a talk with yourself in the mirror.
Myn
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:55:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Mynas Atoch
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 05/01/2007 15:53:15
Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 05/01/2007 15:50:23
Originally by: DeathGrip
You better go look at Lilan Kahn's posts a little closer then. Due to his mouth you have any Axe that will follow me (which is pretty good share of Axe) into war with you guys as well. Maybe next time he will appologize instead of continue to run his mouth.
You are asking Lilan to apologize because, what? AAA were too hard for you, but Lilan, whose alliance is currently getting gangbanged, is more your PvP level, but you'd better bring some mates ... er .. lots of mates?
Do you have ANY idea how it sounds, AXE saying they are coming to get an ISS pilot and getting together a huge posse to do it when you know what their current sitatuation is? Good grief man, have a talk with yourself in the mirror.
Myn
i answered his question with a question his brained fryed and now its my fault, hes like the bridge keeper in the quest for the holy grail.
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Luthien Firefoot
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:58:00 -
[50]
I don't have anything invested in ISS.
Kill them all 
'Show me your war face"
YAARRRGGGGGHHHKIDNEYS...
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Smoking Mirror
Secret Interests Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:58:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Smoking Mirror on 05/01/2007 16:12:27
Originally by: DeathGrip
Originally by: Algey
Originally by: Karunel
Personally, I've always thought ISS is one of the coolest things in the game, and I always talk about them when I want to drag someone into the game. That said, it's quite obvious that they lost the north when they suddenly decided they wanted their e-peen to grow, as the most likely result as we can see is it'll end up cut.
When has ISS ever had an Epeen? We're a bunch of industrialists
You better go look at Lilan Kahn's posts a little closer then. Due to his mouth you have any Axe that will follow me (which is pretty good share of Axe) into war with you guys as well. Maybe next time he will appologize instead of continue to run his mouth.
A little....excitable, are we?
Here is the FULL text of the reply from Lilan Kahn that sent this guy into orbit:
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Shoud it effect you?
And that's it.
Over-react much?
I guess you got kicked out of your own home, so you feel like thumping your chest and joining in on a pile-on. But I'd bet your leadership, whoever is left, mostly regards you as a drama queen.
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:01:00 -
[52]
ISS won't fall.
Admittedly they have the potential to loose 2-3 outposts, but D2 wouldn't persue them all the way into LV territory and other places in the south. Why should they?
Besides, if the money stop flowing to shareholders, so what? Most people have made back their investment, from what I hear.
What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass! |
Barrier Solo
Infinity Shipyard Masters
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 20:25:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Karunel
Personally, I've always thought ISS is one of the coolest things in the game, and I always talk about them when I want to drag someone into the game. That said, it's quite obvious that they lost the north when they suddenly decided they wanted their e-peen to grow, as the most likely result as we can see is it'll end up cut.
This statement is an unfortunate result of reading IAC-spammed eve-o forums. Don't believe everything you read - including this post :-)
Barrier Solo, CEO, INSM, ISS
Join us!
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 20:48:00 -
[54]
Rumor is D2 are hitting Cassini and Borealis. Plus combinations of -A-, RAGOON, IAC, TCF hitting Marginis and Tycho.
Tehe..
Originally by: Victor Ramirez
using it to get the layout of a new system and a quick belt-check is about as practical as using Google Earth to see if your car is still in front of your house.
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Grimkill
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:02:00 -
[55]
Goodbye ISS
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Ephemeral Waves
The Nine Gates
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:06:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
I like Blue Stilton, looks like ****, smells like ****.. tastes bloody gorgeous !
Alliaanna
Provolone. Stilton is nice but Provolone rocks!
Eph.
Kill Board | Recruiting
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Tinknadel
Caldari
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:12:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr
Rumor is D2 are hitting Cassini and Borealis. Plus combinations of -A-, RAGOON, IAC, TCF hitting Marginis and Tycho.
Tehe..
Well, you know there is something going on in the outpost systems if you just check the amount of pilots in those systems from the map feature. You'll see some big dots in catch and pure blind.
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Bluestealth
Minmatar
Star Scream Inc.
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:16:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
I'm sorry It's friday and i'm really bored, if anyone would prefer to talk about cheese instead thats cool ?
I like Blue Stilton, looks like ****, smells like ****.. tastes bloody gorgeous !
Alliaanna
You mean you can really eat that stuff? Hmmm I may have to try some of this "Blue Stilton" when I return home. *Pokes wierd looking cheese.
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:53:00 -
[59]
Have fun IAC shoting iss pos's the next 2 years
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Ramblin Man
Empyreum
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Posted - 2007.01.05 23:23:00 -
[60]
Scenario:
1) All of ISS's stations taken
2) ISS bases out of empire for a while
3) Eventually, one of the owners of an outpost gives it to ISS
4) ISS is back in the outpost business
Why would that happen?
Because if an alliance doesn't want an outpost, who else would they give it to?
You can whine all you want about ISS being untrustworthy and breaking X clause in Y paragraph at Z date, but the fact of the matter is that, looking at things relatively, they're still a couple AUs above everyone else in the trustworthiness and dependability departments.
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Fubear
Vogon Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.05 23:30:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Ramblin Man
Because if an alliance doesn't want an outpost, who else would they give it to?
Someone capable of defending it?
sorry I had to take the shot :o)
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 23:40:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Ramblin Man
Scenario:
.....
4) ISS is back in the outpost business
Why would that happen?
Because if an alliance doesn't want an outpost, who else would they give it to?
You can whine all you want about ISS being untrustworthy and breaking X clause in Y paragraph at Z date, but the fact of the matter is that, looking at things relatively, they're still a couple AUs above everyone else in the trustworthiness and dependability departments.
If you are an ISS supporter, the current developments must suck pretty hard. ISS are gonna get systematically wiped off the face of 0.0 It must be some consolation to cling onto your line of thought.
But.... the reality is its game over for ISS. After all its neutrality and 'good intentions' (and we all know what the road to hell is paved with) ISS has nobody to count on that does not have a commercial interest. To put it bluntly ISS has no friends in 0.0 Mercs aren't friends, alliances that have shares in ISS aren't friends. ISS is alone. ISS' best friend was ISK and unfortunately ISK cannot physically defend your stations. The pipedream of being able to exist in 0.0 and be neutral has been exposed for what it is, a delusion.
If ISS exists in some future state operating in 0.0 it will be under the watch of some 0.0 power, it will become somebody's pet in the business model of the shared outpost with LV. But ISS' neutral outpost holding days are over.
I know it sucks if you subscribed to the pipedream, but its over.
You may not realise it but atm ISS is probably the single most hated entity in the game. ISS' outpost days will be a historical oddity.
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Muesli Monster
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Posted - 2007.01.05 23:40:00 -
[63]
Probable scenario:
1. Masta'Blob (aka. AAA/D2/RAGOON/IAC/IMP/TCF) Takes 4-5 outposts.
2. ISS shareholders loose their minds trying to figure out if its worth saving the alliance
3. ISS has internal struggles because of the loss of income (alot, taken from the words of high officials, tho, those figures can be both nuttin and iskies depending on whats on stake)
4. ISS breaks apart into 'renegade side' taking allthe money and 'shareholder side' sitting there with 4 outposts unable to defend them.
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WhiteBull
Minmatar
EDEN IN EVE
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Posted - 2007.01.05 23:44:00 -
[64]
If no one steps in to rescue ISS, D2 will not stop at their northern stations. It seems two northern stations have already fallen into D2 hands (or are on the verge of falling).
D2 will continue to take ISS stations across the entire map until someone steps into the rescue. I am sure D2 is betting that someone will challenge them, and is ready for the fight.
If no one will step up to defend ISS, then D2 will just continue to take station after station until all ISS stations are taken. It is D2's strategy to provoke a war on a very wide scale. This is just the opening salvo.
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Ramblin Man
Empyreum
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Posted - 2007.01.06 00:11:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Ramblin Man on 06/01/2007 00:15:46
Originally by: Fubear
Originally by: Ramblin Man
Because if an alliance doesn't want an outpost, who else would they give it to?
Someone capable of defending it?
sorry I had to take the shot :o)
Eh? Why would you give it to a military-based alliance with ulterior goals?
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Ramblin Man
Scenario:
.....
4) ISS is back in the outpost business
Why would that happen?
Because if an alliance doesn't want an outpost, who else would they give it to?
You can whine all you want about ISS being untrustworthy and breaking X clause in Y paragraph at Z date, but the fact of the matter is that, looking at things relatively, they're still a couple AUs above everyone else in the trustworthiness and dependability departments.
[{stuff}
And now for something that replies to the thread...]
If ISS exists in some future state operating in 0.0 it will be under the watch of some 0.0 power, it will become somebody's pet in the business model of the shared outpost with LV. But ISS' neutral outpost holding days are over.
[... more demagoguery]
Ummm, ISS was always supposed to operate this way. That's what shares are. That's why substantial portions of shares were sold to neighbors.
Just because someone calls it something different doesn't change the dynamic. Shares are control. Agreements are control. *shrugs and yawns* Control is control.
Edit: F.ex. the RAZOR guy who takes a 1.5B splash if ISSBO gets captured and not handed back.
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Harpoon
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.06 00:22:00 -
[66]
I find it hard to believe, that even after more than 1 1/2 years of ISS, there are still people who don't understand our business model. Those are not our stations you are sieging at the moment. They belong to thousands of people all over the eve-universe.
You act like some guys robbing a bank, boasting about "Whoa! We surely screwed those bank dudes! We took all their money! Now the guy behind the counter won't be able to pay his bills!", not understanding, that the "bank dude" only gets paid to take care of other peoples money.
Even if you would take each and every ISS outpost - people would still throw their money after us. Because making cash is what we are good at. You can't ruin Microsoft or Oracle or Apple by blowing up a random software shop. It's not going to happen.
Shooting at an idea is just a waste of ammunition.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 00:34:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Harpoon
Even if you would take each and every ISS outpost - people would still throw their money after us. Because making cash is what we are good at. You can't ruin Microsoft or Oracle or Apple by blowing up a random software shop. It's not going to happen.
Shooting at an idea is just a waste of ammunition.
You are wrong.... nobody is gonna give you money for an outpost ever again, certainly not a 'neutral' one. And about wasting ammunition... you simply do not understand how EVE works. The very ammunition that is being shot at you does not exist, it is a metaphor for displeasure with your ideology.. so infact your ideology is being shot down by another ideology.
And that ideology is Might is Right. You no longer have the might so you will get eliminated. The irony ofc is that you tried to play that game with IAC but it fell flat on its face.
You bring your spreadsheets to EVE and expect all to bow down in awe at your commercial entepreneurship. You must be out of your mind. EVE is about pew pew and power mongering.
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Muesli Monster
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Posted - 2007.01.06 00:41:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Harpoon
Even if you would take each and every ISS outpost - people would still throw their money after us. Because making cash is what we are good at. You can't ruin Microsoft or Oracle or Apple by blowing up a random software shop. It's not going to happen.
Shooting at an idea is just a waste of ammunition.
You are wrong.... nobody is gonna give you money for an outpost ever again, certainly not a 'neutral' one. And about wasting ammunition... you simply do not understand how EVE works. The very ammunition that is being shot at you does not exist, it is a metaphor for displeasure with your ideology.. so infact your ideology is being shot down by another ideology.
And that ideology is Might is Right. You no longer have the might so you will get eliminated. The irony ofc is that you tried to play that game with IAC but it fell flat on its face.
You bring your spreadsheets to EVE and expect all to bow down in awe at your commercial entepreneurship. You must be out of your mind. EVE is about pew pew and power mongering.
QFTW |
Faramare
Foul Rodent
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Posted - 2007.01.06 00:43:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Faramare on 06/01/2007 00:43:44
Originally by: Harpoon
Even if you would take each and every ISS outpost - people would still throw their money after us. Because making cash is what we are good at. You can't ruin Microsoft or Oracle or Apple by blowing up a random software shop. It's not going to happen.
Shooting at an idea is just a waste of ammunition.
You might have been good at making isk, but not anymore, as you have lost TRUST.
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Ramblin Man
Empyreum
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Posted - 2007.01.06 00:45:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Harpoon
Even if you would take each and every ISS outpost - people would still throw their money after us. Because making cash is what we are good at. You can't ruin Microsoft or Oracle or Apple by blowing up a random software shop. It's not going to happen.
Shooting at an idea is just a waste of ammunition.
You are wrong.... nobody is gonna give you money for an outpost ever again, certainly not a 'neutral' one. And about wasting ammunition... you simply do not understand how EVE works. The very ammunition that is being shot at you does not exist, it is a metaphor for displeasure with your ideology.. so infact your ideology is being shot down by another ideology.
And that ideology is Might is Right. You no longer have the might so you will get eliminated. The irony ofc is that you tried to play that game with IAC but it fell flat on its face.
You bring your spreadsheets to EVE and expect all to bow down in awe at your commercial entepreneurship. You must be out of your mind. EVE is about pew pew and power mongering.
Beware, ladies and gentlemens, this kind of willful ignorance is not limited to EVE. Indeed, it exists virtually unchanged in your very, very real world.
Don't let overspecialization of language infect you!
Build bridges from your discipline, not walls around it. [:peace:]
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.01.06 00:49:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Cardassius
Edited by: Cardassius on 05/01/2007 11:34:08
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Orlando Gardner
well it spells the end of the 'industrial alliance' now that both ASCN and ISS have pretty much collapsed the lesson EVE is teaching us is
if you can't defend your outposts you will be exposed.
by bob or iac or whoever the fk.
QFT
These industrial type alliances were a pipedream anyways.... and now its over. And about time too.
Hi nezzy ;)
ISS isn't dead cause they have iskies :P and shares :)
They hired a bunch of people to kick IAC in the nuts.
ASCN had iskies!
Look where it got them
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Algey
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.06 00:57:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Harpoon
Even if you would take each and every ISS outpost - people would still throw their money after us. Because making cash is what we are good at. You can't ruin Microsoft or Oracle or Apple by blowing up a random software shop. It's not going to happen.
Shooting at an idea is just a waste of ammunition.
You are wrong.... nobody is gonna give you money for an outpost ever again, certainly not a 'neutral' one. And about wasting ammunition... you simply do not understand how EVE works. The very ammunition that is being shot at you does not exist, it is a metaphor for displeasure with your ideology.. so infact your ideology is being shot down by another ideology.
And that ideology is Might is Right. You no longer have the might so you will get eliminated. The irony ofc is that you tried to play that game with IAC but it fell flat on its face.
You bring your spreadsheets to EVE and expect all to bow down in awe at your commercial entepreneurship. You must be out of your mind. EVE is about pew pew and power mongering.
You sir are wrong. ISS makes money for people, money they don't have to make for themselves. People love having money made for them.
Even if we lose all of the stations there will be 500Bn isk being managed by ISS through the IPO, which is totally seperate from the stations. We're a capitalist bug, and we can't be squished that easily 
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.06 00:59:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Potty
I Believe that ISS are BoB alts/buddies/puppets ect ect.
Sorry, my friend. I've been in ISS ... a while, and I can honestly say that's an inaccurate perception. I've met BoB members IRL a couple of times, along with a whole load of other EVE players at fanfest and maybe one of the london meets.
They were one of our early customers. That got the ball rolling, but ... well, since a few months after that, to my knowledge BoB have been red to ISS ever since. (We reset standings a few months back, and BoB were back out shooting ISS shortly after).
As to the hypothetical, what if it all falls apart? Pull together the pieces and start again. I still think it's a cool and good idea.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 01:02:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Algey
You sir are wrong. ISS makes money for people, money they don't have to make for themselves. People love having money made for them.
Even if we lose all of the stations there will be 500Bn isk being managed by ISS through the IPO, which is totally seperate from the stations. We're a capitalist bug, and we can't be squished that easily
But when all is said and done.. in this game that we play for fun... you have proven to be more trouble than you are worth.
The attack of the spreadsheets has failed.... the last carebear managed entity in 0.0 is drawing its final breath.
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Ramblin Man
Empyreum
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Posted - 2007.01.06 01:09:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Ramblin Man on 06/01/2007 01:09:02
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Algey
You sir are wrong. ISS makes money for people, money they don't have to make for themselves. People love having money made for them.
Even if we lose all of the stations there will be 500Bn isk being managed by ISS through the IPO, which is totally seperate from the stations. We're a capitalist bug, and we can't be squished that easily
But when all is said and done.. in this game that we play for fun... you have proven to be more trouble than you are worth.
The attack of the spreadsheets has failed.... the last carebear managed entity in 0.0 is drawing its final breath.
It's like Fox News, except I don't have to pay for cable!
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Algey
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.06 01:11:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Algey
You sir are wrong. ISS makes money for people, money they don't have to make for themselves. People love having money made for them.
Even if we lose all of the stations there will be 500Bn isk being managed by ISS through the IPO, which is totally seperate from the stations. We're a capitalist bug, and we can't be squished that easily
But when all is said and done.. in this game that we play for fun... you have proven to be more trouble than you are worth.
The attack of the spreadsheets has failed.... the last carebear managed entity in 0.0 is drawing its final breath.
Nah, in the game we play for fun, many people don't want to spend their time ratting and mining out in 0.0, they want to spend it shooting stuff. We make that money for them, and they like us doing it (even people who hate us have shares)
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Kaylana Syi
Minmatar
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.06 01:24:00 -
[77]
As long as NPC stations exist and an office is rentable ISS will not be wiped out of 0.0 space.
Thinking so is about as silly as saying if IAC loose their outposts they loose the war. Outposts are things. ISS will only rethink and reimplement their model and probably become renters to those who only care about an isk to wallet relationship.
The sieges are far from over so lets not get ahead of ourselves.
Pew... Pew... Pew!
Team Minmatar
Carriers need Clone Vats
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Harpoon
ISS Navy Task Force
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.06 01:34:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Algey
You sir are wrong. ISS makes money for people, money they don't have to make for themselves. People love having money made for them.
Even if we lose all of the stations there will be 500Bn isk being managed by ISS through the IPO, which is totally seperate from the stations. We're a capitalist bug, and we can't be squished that easily
But when all is said and done.. in this game that we play for fun... you have proven to be more trouble than you are worth.
The attack of the spreadsheets has failed.... the last carebear managed entity in 0.0 is drawing its final breath.
Nez, I see where you are coming from. And I respect your personal view of this game. But unfortunately, you are a fine example for completely missing the idea if ISS. I don't even mind your sometimes a bit "aggressive" stance (although I sometimes get the feeling you seem to fear what you don't understand).
You are right when you say, that we play this game for fun. We all do. But please remember - fun costs ISK. And we literally make ISK. And we do it for other people. No matter, how many stations we have available at any given moment.
I am playing this game since 2003, and only after joining ISSN 3 month ago I started to realize which massive amounts of money people can make in this game. Believe me or not, but even in times of war, the fastest way to become a billionaire in this game is ISS. And as long as ANYTHING in this game costs ISK, people will look for the opportunity to invest. As I said before - shooting at ideas may be fun for a while, but will change nothing in the end.
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Muadeeb Ousil
Minmatar
Office linebackers
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2007.01.06 01:37:00 -
[79]
WTB: Viagra for ISS's Epeen...
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R3dSh1ft
Caldari
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.06 01:51:00 -
[80]
I made a little brown fish
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ElweSingollo
Starlancers
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Posted - 2007.01.06 02:12:00 -
[81]
Originally by: WhiteBull
If no one steps in to rescue ISS, D2 will not stop at their northern stations. It seems two northern stations have already fallen into D2 hands (or are on the verge of falling).
D2 will continue to take ISS stations across the entire map until someone steps into the rescue. I am sure D2 is betting that someone will challenge them, and is ready for the fight.
If no one will step up to defend ISS, then D2 will just continue to take station after station until all ISS stations are taken. It is D2's strategy to provoke a war on a very wide scale. This is just the opening salvo.
You have had a look at the map haven't you? ISS don't just own stations in the north and those in the south even if D2 took them would be to juicy a target for enemies of D2 why would D2 be idotic enough to split it's forces that much.
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Der Pfaffe
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.06 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
You bring your spreadsheets to EVE and expect all to bow down in awe at your commercial entepreneurship. You must be out of your mind. EVE is about pew pew and power mongering.
I beg to differ. Your and my idea of fun in EVE might be PVP, but many thousands of players are quite happy to mine, manufacture, trade, mission run, scam or whatever. Many of them never set foot in 0.0 or have even fired a shot in anger, except perhaps at the odd NPC.
Many have absolutely no interest in the power mongering or politics of EVE.
That's the beauty of EVE, there is no one way that is the "right" way to play it. Saying otherwise is just narrowminded.
But back to the OP.... all I can say that there are very interesting times ahead. GL to all those involved.
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 02:35:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Der Pfaffe
I beg to differ. Your and my idea of fun in EVE might be PVP, but many thousands of players are quite happy to mine, manufacture, trade, mission run, scam or whatever. Many of them never set foot in 0.0 or have even fired a shot in anger, except perhaps at the odd NPC.
Many have absolutely no interest in the power mongering or politics of EVE.
That's the beauty of EVE, there is no one way that is the "right" way to play it. Saying otherwise is just narrowminded.
But back to the OP.... all I can say that there are very interesting times ahead. GL to all those involved.
I am referring to 0.0 where industry/isk is a means to bring more pew pew to the table... in empire anything goes.
But yes back to the OP.
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Beringe
Caldari
Raptus Regaliter
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Posted - 2007.01.06 05:06:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Nez Perces
You may not realise it but atm ISS is probably the single most hated entity in the game. ISS' outpost days will be a historical oddity.
I believe that's quite wrong. Amazingly, astronomically, staggeringly wrong, even.
In fact, if you have a moment, it's such a wrong statement that it has gained terminal wrongness and has condensed into a error singularity, collapsing in on itself.
Also, I'm fairly sure ISS will weather this...storm in a teacup. Soon enough, those alliances attacking them will have plenty of other worries.
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j0sephine
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.06 05:26:00 -
[85]
Edited by: j0sephine on 06/01/2007 05:23:40
"You are wrong.... nobody is gonna give you money for an outpost ever again (..)"
Out of curiosity Nez... all this talk and the "most hated in EVE" projection on general population and the time you spend haunting these ISS people thread after thread after thread, and the delight you take telling them in most drawn out details just how screwed they are... did they **** in your tech.2 cornflakes, or something? O.o
I'd have to go with Kryz here... so ISS may lose a few outposts because some people like to shoot while other like to build. Who cares? Nothing new since CFS and CFS 2.0 felt to people with the guns. Someone new will try the same thing few months from now on and eventually to the same result.
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Azzaa
Caldari
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.06 07:53:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Have fun IAC shoting iss pos's the next 2 years
i dont see this lasting another 2 weeks
My little message to ISS
My little message to butter dog
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mamolian
Vortex.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.06 07:56:00 -
[87]
Originally by: R3dSh1ft
I made a little brown fish
I knew you were a dirty girl when I married you tubs..
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Nez Perces
Amarr
Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.01.06 09:40:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Nez Perces on 06/01/2007 09:42:31
Originally by: j0sephine
Out of curiosity Nez... all this talk and the "most hated in EVE" projection on general population and the time you spend haunting these ISS people thread after thread after thread, and the delight you take telling them in most drawn out details just how screwed they are... did they **** in your tech.2 cornflakes, or something? O.o
Oh... its an amalgamation of things....too complicated to explain here. One of them includes my first dealings with ISS as a FIX JCoS where ISS falsely piggy-backed on FIX's status as an emerging 0.0 power to get itself in the EVE news, with a bunch of trumped up lies. It was the first time ISS entered EVE-Consciousness.. and they did it with a lie.
Other reasons include anything that even vaguely resembles CFS makes me see red, because I experienced first hand the kind of player that it attracts. Unfortunately I've also had to deal with that kind of player in NBSI alliances... with their insiduous tendency to talk of free markets and other claptrap... but when it comes to actually putting their ships on the line, they are the first to make themeselves conspicuous by their absence.
In short I could go on for ever .......
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Everbane
Underworld Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.06 10:26:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
#Theoreticly imagine you where one in high command of ISS, Your dream is falling apart around you. Theres little hope of any salvation yardy yar and your merc corps are no longer enough.......
What would you do with all the assets and corp funds at your disposal
While the peons fight you steal all the stuff...
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DrDevice
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.06 13:11:00 -
[90]
Personally i expect that when push comes to shove, that there will be a flurry of corp departures, massed confusion, an anouncment that ISS is finished as more corps leave, and that a few indiciduals will dissapear into the woodwork with more isk than they can carry.
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Gutsani
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.06 13:14:00 -
[91]
And then to realise it was all because they gotten magz banned .. and didnt want to talk to christos, boy o boy.
So, who's next? I heard tenerifis has good ore ..
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Audrea
Momentum.
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.06 15:13:00 -
[92]
I think its pretty simple really:
The attacking alliances are strong and capable of fighting long pos wars, hence they dont need to spam pos, to keep sov on strategically unimportant stations.
All they want, is get the outposts under their own control, open to all just like ISS did, but instead the revenues goes to that alliance :P
No need to even come there, other than leave 1 alt to fuel 1 deathstar..
Think of it.. who will contest the station from AAA/IAC/D2, once ISS is gone? nobody most likely...
Just my opinion, doesnt mean thats what D2 plans, or doesnt - to be clear.
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Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.06 15:49:00 -
[93]
Originally by: searchi
good move id say but probably the d2 gyus just read our mutterings and laugh.
tbh I laugh most of the time (95%+) when reading this forum section
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Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2007.01.09 01:52:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Algey
Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Harpoon
Even if you would take each and every ISS outpost - people would still throw their money after us. Because making cash is what we are good at. You can't ruin Microsoft or Oracle or Apple by blowing up a random software shop. It's not going to happen.
Shooting at an idea is just a waste of ammunition.
You are wrong.... nobody is gonna give you money for an outpost ever again, certainly not a 'neutral' one. And about wasting ammunition... you simply do not understand how EVE works. The very ammunition that is being shot at you does not exist, it is a metaphor for displeasure with your ideology.. so infact your ideology is being shot down by another ideology.
And that ideology is Might is Right. You no longer have the might so you will get eliminated. The irony ofc is that you tried to play that game with IAC but it fell flat on its face.
You bring your spreadsheets to EVE and expect all to bow down in awe at your commercial entepreneurship. You must be out of your mind. EVE is about pew pew and power mongering.
You sir are wrong. ISS makes money for people, money they don't have to make for themselves. People love having money made for them.
Even if we lose all of the stations there will be 500Bn isk being managed by ISS through the IPO, which is totally seperate from the stations. We're a capitalist bug, and we can't be squished that easily
People do hate it when their cash cow suddenly dries up due to things beyond their control, but within control of the managing body. That being ISS.
I'd love to see someone who put a bill into one of your outposts suddenly see that outpost change hands. Doubt he'll be ready to invest again, and probably wondering whether you (ISS) are actually still capable of guaranteeing a return on investment.
Fun times though.
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Savesti Kyrsst
Minmatar
Unity Star
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Posted - 2007.01.09 02:03:00 -
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Edited by: Savesti Kyrsst on 09/01/2007 02:01:44
Clueless nub poster here \o/
If BoB come in it'll be when it suits them, not when it suits ISS.
It makes no difference to BoB if they take the outposts back in two months, or six. Would that even be BoB's goal? If BoB were to take this war on and win, would ISS even have a place in the new eve?
Guess it all comes down to the individual character of leaders, individual diplomacy and the ethos of alliance HC people... all things I and most eve-o posters don't really know
Random observation: people are forgetting the impact of population pressure on the character of eve. Just because an idea was viable a year ago, doesn't mean it's viable today... and vice versa. 35k server /= 15k server
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Chin LoPan
The Graduates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.09 03:40:00 -
[96]
Edited by: Chin LoPan on 09/01/2007 03:36:57
Originally by: Audrea
All they want, is get the outposts under their own control, open to all just like ISS did, but instead the revenues goes to that alliance :P No need to even come there, other than leave 1 alt to fuel 1 deathstar..
Oh, you think that you will be able to perpetually maitain sov with one deathstar, huh? Sort of like an absentee landlord? In EC, the armpit of EVE? Good luck with that...If this whole experience teaches one thing, it is that poorly defended 0.0 space/outposts are going to be eventually taken by somebody who THINKS that they really want it.
And if you or your Northern allies don't keep patroling that space somewhat to keep it "open" and operate a NRDS policy, then what exact "revenues" are you referring to? We ran Cassini, we know the problems there. You need lots of pilots docking and trading in that station for it to be worth anything to you other than a pretty structure in space and a place to repair your ships.
Well, enjoy EC...it is your headache now.
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Ket Halpak
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.09 05:35:00 -
[97]
I respect ISS approach to life in EVE, they are trying to show that pew pew isn't the only way in eve. No matter what you say, there will ALWAYS be someone willing to invest in ISS and their way of life for the simple fact that they belive in something other that pew-pew.
Good luck ISS, i hope you succeed
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.09 09:11:00 -
[98]
Hmm. I didn't notice this thread. Guess I'll reply. This shouldn't all be taken at face value, it's a good deal of opinion and the final decisions would be the result of internal discussion, should it come to it.
Let's assume a worst case scenario. Let's assume ISS:
- Loses all the public outposts
- Loses the rental contract on northern Tenerifis
- Has a mass-exodus of member corps from the alliance.
That's about the worst that could possibly happen. We'd be left with no outposts, no 0.0 access and a skeleton team of corps (Management corps, ISSN etc). I'm sure most people would think ISS would simply die at this point, but nothing could be further from the truth. The alliance would change, yes, but not die. If we lose an outpost, we would move back to the remaining outposts. If we lose all our outposts, we can move to npc stations and do our trading work there. If we lose ALL our outposts and 0.0 access, we could just move back to empire. And nobody can take empire away from us.
No amount of wardecs will stop an empire-bound industrial alliance, not with newbie-corp hauler alts. We can only be pushed so far back and we can always negotiate new private outpost deals (without an IPO), gain access to 0.0 areas again and work out deals with other alliances to use their markets for trading. To quote an old eve saying whose origin I do not know: "Alliances cannot be destroyed, only pushed to fall apart from the inside". Sounds very GHSC but it's true. The ISS will survive against any and all adversity so long as at least one member decides so.
We would very likely reimburse shareholders for the loss of the outposts, we're discussing internally how that will occur and to what extent the reimbursement can be made but be assured that it will not use ISSO IPO money intended for shareholders or venture capital. Additionally, it should be noted that the ISSO IPO is unaffected by the loss of the stations. The ISSO IPO business plan can operate independantly of any and all outposts we currently use. I'll go over the main points to show how:
Shopping baskets
These are regular large dumps of T2 mods and ships direct from manufacturers onto the outpost market for about 15% markup over jita prices, usually. This one is common sense, shopping baskets can be delivered to any outpost whose owners consent, to 0.0 npc stations, to empire low sec areas or even to some high sec empire hub areas away from jita.
Refineries
The 10% tax from the refineries we manage in Tenerifis pay for the expenses of running the public outposts elsewhere. Should we lose access to all of the above, this point is null.
ISSHI
ISS Heavy Industries organises POS material production or capital ships. Without the outposts, capital ship production would take 30% longer as it would be done in low sec empire stations compared to the faster factory outposts in 0.0. However, 30% slower production is not significant and can be more than countered by purchasing some extra bpos of high-demand items like capital cargo/drone bay components and thanatos carriers.
Loans
Self-explanatory, this doesn't involve the outposts at all.
Hope that helps belay some of the fears that ISS are going to die and take your invested isk with it ^^;.
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Dal Thrax
Caldari
House Of Troy
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Posted - 2007.01.09 16:42:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Nyphur
Hmm. I didn't notice this thread. Guess I'll reply. This shouldn't all be taken at face value, it's a good deal of opinion and the final decisions would be the result of internal discussion, should it come to it.
Let's assume a worst case scenario. Let's assume ISS:
- Loses all the public outposts
- Loses the rental contract on northern Tenerifis
- Has a mass-exodus of member corps from the alliance.
That's about the worst that could possibly happen. We'd be left with no outposts, no 0.0 access and a skeleton team of corps (Management corps, ISSN etc). I'm sure most people would think ISS would simply die at this point, but nothing could be further from the truth. The alliance would change, yes, but not die. If we lose an outpost, we would move back to the remaining outposts. If we lose all our outposts, we can move to npc stations and do our trading work there. If we lose ALL our outposts and 0.0 access, we could just move back to empire. And nobody can take empire away from us.
No amount of wardecs will stop an empire-bound industrial alliance, not with newbie-corp hauler alts. We can only be pushed so far back and we can always negotiate new private outpost deals (without an IPO), gain access to 0.0 areas again and work out deals with other alliances to use their markets for trading. To quote an old eve saying whose origin I do not know: "Alliances cannot be destroyed, only pushed to fall apart from the inside". Sounds very GHSC but it's true. The ISS will survive against any and all adversity so long as at least one member decides so.
We would very likely reimburse shareholders for the loss of the outposts, we're discussing internally how that will occur and to what extent the reimbursement can be made but be assured that it will not use ISSO IPO money intended for shareholders or venture capital. Additionally, it should be noted that the ISSO IPO is unaffected by the loss of the stations. The ISSO IPO business plan can operate independantly of any and all outposts we currently use. I'll go over the main points to show how:
Shopping baskets
These are regular large dumps of T2 mods and ships direct from manufacturers onto the outpost market for about 15% markup over jita prices, usually. This one is common sense, shopping baskets can be delivered to any outpost whose owners consent, to 0.0 npc stations, to empire low sec areas or even to some high sec empire hub areas away from jita.
Refineries
The 10% tax from the refineries we manage in Tenerifis pay for the expenses of running the public outposts elsewhere. Should we lose access to all of the above, this point is null.
ISSHI
ISS Heavy Industries organises POS material production or capital ships. Without the outposts, capital ship production would take 30% longer as it would be done in low sec empire stations compared to the faster factory outposts in 0.0. However, 30% slower production is not significant and can be more than countered by purchasing some extra bpos of high-demand items like capital cargo/drone bay components and thanatos carriers.
Loans
Self-explanatory, this doesn't involve the outposts at all.
Hope that helps belay some of the fears that ISS are going to die and take your invested isk with it ^^;.
Will ISSO operate as a neutral producer or will the stations where market baskets are placed be influenced by recent events? If some alliances have the market option to purchase dreads and T2 at haulage markup and others don't, well depending on volume available that could be more of a strategic concern than any one outpost.
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KIATheClash
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.01.09 16:56:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Potty
Hello, I know am in RaZoR and thus allied to Dusk and Dawn but just forget that a minuet... am going to say things how I think, not my corporation or alliance.
Right then:
I Believe that ISS are BoB alts/buddies/puppets ect ect. Now if BoB wanted to attack D2 or ever wanted they would require secure points they can base their operations from. Heading from empire to d2 space would be a ball ache so it makes since to control a "neut" alliance that has stations located close to d2 space where you can freely move supplies and ships to.
(DonĘt forget d2 have already had a go at iss for apparently reporting d2 movement to BoB. Not sure if its true or not but was the reason given for the toe to toe a few months ago.)
So I think that D2 want to test this. If you were BoB and you had some how taken over ISS for a staging point wouldnĘt you go to their aid? Or move forward your plans to attack?. So I think its D2 testing bob after a few months of building their forces when BoB is not expecting it or had been but just not when they wanted to go.
Failing that, and it has nothing to do with D2 wanting to push BoB. ItĘs a bad idea have a neut alliance with station so close to your space anyway. So itĘs a good defensive move.
I hope my BoB idea is right because it could pull in thousands of players, 10Ęs of alliances and be one of the most epic warĘs eve has yet seen.
Who will win no idea, but it will sure be fun.
Of course this is all IMO and I have been wrong before so we see if am wrong again.
Ta
Potty
If they would for eg attack from empite into teh north i can only imagine BoB has stocks up there in teh stations ;)
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Npc stations in venal enuff ;)
Mods this is currently my main .
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.09 19:29:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Dal Thrax
Originally by: Nyphur
ISSHI
ISS Heavy Industries organises POS material production or capital ships. Without the outposts, capital ship production would take 30% longer as it would be done in low sec empire stations compared to the faster factory outposts in 0.0. However, 30% slower production is not significant and can be more than countered by purchasing some extra bpos of high-demand items like capital cargo/drone bay components and thanatos carriers.
Will ISSO operate as a neutral producer or will the stations where market baskets are placed be influenced by recent events? If some alliances have the market option to purchase dreads and T2 at haulage markup and others don't, well depending on volume available that could be more of a strategic concern than any one outpost.
Look at what happened to TRUST for producing capital ships.
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Eskona Runningstar
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.01.09 19:58:00 -
[102]
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Originally by: Dal Thrax
Originally by: Nyphur
ISSHI
ISS Heavy Industries organises POS material production or capital ships. Without the outposts, capital ship production would take 30% longer as it would be done in low sec empire stations compared to the faster factory outposts in 0.0. However, 30% slower production is not significant and can be more than countered by purchasing some extra bpos of high-demand items like capital cargo/drone bay components and thanatos carriers.
Will ISSO operate as a neutral producer or will the stations where market baskets are placed be influenced by recent events? If some alliances have the market option to purchase dreads and T2 at haulage markup and others don't, well depending on volume available that could be more of a strategic concern than any one outpost.
Look at what happened to TRUST for producing capital ships.
As far as I understand it the problem for TRUST was producing Motherships, not vanilla capital ships. Nobody can stop anybody from producing Freighters, Carriers or Dreadnoughts as that can be done in any low-sec NPC station (high-sec even in the case of Freighters).
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Eskona Runningstar
Eve University
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Shirei
Minmatar
Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.01.10 00:38:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Eskona Runningstar
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Originally by: Dal Thrax
Originally by: Nyphur
ISSHI
ISS Heavy Industries organises POS material production or capital ships. Without the outposts, capital ship production would take 30% longer as it would be done in low sec empire stations compared to the faster factory outposts in 0.0. However, 30% slower production is not significant and can be more than countered by purchasing some extra bpos of high-demand items like capital cargo/drone bay components and thanatos carriers.
Will ISSO operate as a neutral producer or will the stations where market baskets are placed be influenced by recent events? If some alliances have the market option to purchase dreads and T2 at haulage markup and others don't, well depending on volume available that could be more of a strategic concern than any one outpost.
Look at what happened to TRUST for producing capital ships.
As far as I understand it the problem for TRUST was producing Motherships, not vanilla capital ships. Nobody can stop anybody from producing Freighters, Carriers or Dreadnoughts as that can be done in any low-sec NPC station (high-sec even in the case of Freighters).
They were talking about 30% faster build times, which implies building them at a POS through a large ship assembly array - what consequently makes them vulnerable to POS assaults. You don't need outposts for that though, you can do that at any POS without sovereignty.
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Taedrin
Gallente
Mercatoris Technologies
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Posted - 2007.01.10 00:46:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Nyphur
Hmm. I didn't notice this thread. Guess I'll reply. This shouldn't all be taken at face value, it's a good deal of opinion and the final decisions would be the result of internal discussion, should it come to it.
Let's assume a worst case scenario. Let's assume ISS:
- Loses all the public outposts
- Loses the rental contract on northern Tenerifis
- Has a mass-exodus of member corps from the alliance.
That's about the worst that could possibly happen. We'd be left with no outposts, no 0.0 access and a skeleton team of corps (Management corps, ISSN etc). I'm sure most people would think ISS would simply die at this point, but nothing could be further from the truth. The alliance would change, yes, but not die. If we lose an outpost, we would move back to the remaining outposts. If we lose all our outposts, we can move to npc stations and do our trading work there. If we lose ALL our outposts and 0.0 access, we could just move back to empire. And nobody can take empire away from us.
No amount of wardecs will stop an empire-bound industrial alliance, not with newbie-corp hauler alts. We can only be pushed so far back and we can always negotiate new private outpost deals (without an IPO), gain access to 0.0 areas again and work out deals with other alliances to use their markets for trading. To quote an old eve saying whose origin I do not know: "Alliances cannot be destroyed, only pushed to fall apart from the inside". Sounds very GHSC but it's true. The ISS will survive against any and all adversity so long as at least one member decides so.
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Hope that helps belay some of the fears that ISS are going to die and take your invested isk with it ^^;.
I'm happy to know that the ISSO shares have not been made worthless by the loss of the Cassini and Marginis, and that the ISS has a backup plan.
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Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.10 01:05:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Dal Thrax
Will ISSO operate as a neutral producer or will the stations where market baskets are placed be influenced by recent events? If some alliances have the market option to purchase dreads and T2 at haulage markup and others don't, well depending on volume available that could be more of a strategic concern than any one outpost.
Well, the idea was a neutral producer/supplier. Of course, the problem with politics is that if you get involved, some people decide they don't like you. If you don't get involved, then some people don't like you, and some other people don't believe you.
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Sinnbad Mayhem
Amarr
Axe Gang
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Posted - 2007.01.10 03:28:00 -
[106]
Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: Dal Thrax
Will ISSO operate as a neutral producer or will the stations where market baskets are placed be influenced by recent events? If some alliances have the market option to purchase dreads and T2 at haulage markup and others don't, well depending on volume available that could be more of a strategic concern than any one outpost.
Well, the idea was a neutral producer/supplier. Of course, the problem with politics is that if you get involved, some people decide they don't like you. If you don't get involved, then some people don't like you, and some other people don't believe you.
While I understand your business model of neutrality, I dont believe long-term it is viable without some serious changes.
No such thing as being neutral in EVE. Pick a side and fight for it like everyone else. I dont understand why you think this doesnt apply to you?
If I were ISS, I would be looking to become the industrial arm of a major PVP alliance. You need firepower and friends to live in 0.0 or Empire, yes Empire. Ever heard of War decs? I am sure you do.
Regroup, change your name, make ALOT of friends, get a real Navy and then go kick some arse. Moving to Empire is not a safety net unless you plan to hide in NPC corps?
Is that your master plan???
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.10 08:37:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Nyphur on 10/01/2007 08:36:33
Originally by: Dal Thrax
Will ISSO operate as a neutral producer or will the stations where market baskets are placed be influenced by recent events? If some alliances have the market option to purchase dreads and T2 at haulage markup and others don't, well depending on volume available that could be more of a strategic concern than any one outpost.
As I said in the post, the final outcomes and decisions will arise from internal management discussion. I can't answer questions on what we will do because we haven't decided finally what we WILL do. there are a lot of options to discuss and a lot of situations under which those options change.
Although it's a tense and busy time for us, we will try to keep shareholders informed. There will be a shareholder meeting coming up.
Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem
Regroup, change your name, make ALOT of friends, get a real Navy and then go kick some arse.
The primary goal of the ISS is nothing to do with kicking ass. Also, changing names would accomplish nothing. We are ISS.
"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other word would smell as sweet."
-- Romeo and Juliet (II, ii, 1-2)
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.10 08:41:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem
Originally by: James Lyrus
Originally by: Dal Thrax
Will ISSO operate as a neutral producer or will the stations where market baskets are placed be influenced by recent events? If some alliances have the market option to purchase dreads and T2 at haulage markup and others don't, well depending on volume available that could be more of a strategic concern than any one outpost.
Well, the idea was a neutral producer/supplier. Of course, the problem with politics is that if you get involved, some people decide they don't like you. If you don't get involved, then some people don't like you, and some other people don't believe you.
While I understand your business model of neutrality, I dont believe long-term it is viable without some serious changes.
No such thing as being neutral in EVE. Pick a side and fight for it like everyone else. I dont understand why you think this doesnt apply to you?
If I were ISS, I would be looking to become the industrial arm of a major PVP alliance. You need firepower and friends to live in 0.0 or Empire, yes Empire. Ever heard of War decs? I am sure you do.
Regroup, change your name, make ALOT of friends, get a real Navy and then go kick some arse. Moving to Empire is not a safety net unless you plan to hide in NPC corps?
Is that your master plan???
Wardecs are something I'm no stranger to. It's good PvP practise I find, when I'm getting a bit bored with hauling for my crazy miners.
As for plans? Well, at this point plans are focussed on the current state of affairs.
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Pakmule
Caldari
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.10 18:00:00 -
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Just my opinion here and nothing to do with IAC...
ISS should get out of the outpost business. Outposts require sovereignty of some sort in order to exist. You can't have sovereignty and remain neutral. At best you can appear neutral but that will fail eventually. I think the idea of ISS is great, heck I was a member for a while. You just need to do it in a way where neutrailty can be guaranteed as much as possible.
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Alassra Eventide
Veldspar Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.10 19:22:00 -
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I'm rather simple, I like a nice provolone or white american cheese.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.10 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Pakmule
Just my opinion here and nothing to do with IAC...
ISS should get out of the outpost business. Outposts require sovereignty of some sort in order to exist. You can't have sovereignty and remain neutral. At best you can appear neutral but that will fail eventually. I think the idea of ISS is great, heck I was a member for a while. You just need to do it in a way where neutrailty can be guaranteed as much as possible.
The advantage and the drawback of outposts, it they're just not portable, nor removable.
So 'comply and withdraw' stops being an option in the face of hostilities.
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