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Blank Protection
Caldari White Wolves Defence league The OSS
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:51:00 -
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Edited by: Blank Protection on 05/01/2007 14:06:36 Maybe im wrong but what i like to now is why europian custumors paying more than US subscribers. The euro is stronger than the dollar so ectually this isnt right.
Europe Cost/month* Total cost* 1-month-plan Ç 14.95 Ç 14.95 must be euro 11.49 3-month-plan Ç 12.95 Ç 38.85 must be euro 29.85 6-month-plan Ç 11.95 Ç 71.70 must be euro 55.15 12-month-plan Ç 10.95 Ç 131.40 must be euro 101.05
Outside Europe Cost/month Total cost 1-month-plan $ 14.95 $ 14.95 3-month-plan $ 12.95 $ 38.85 6-month-plan $ 11.95 $ 71.70 12-month-plan $ 10.95 $ 131.40
So don`t get me wrong but actually comparing the US subscribers Europian subscribers get ripped off a little.
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Tornan
Minmatar Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:01:00 -
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well off hand I would like to say you all have more taxes. But how do other mmorpgs handle it due they have different prices per country?
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Blank Protection
Caldari White Wolves Defence league The OSS
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:12:00 -
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Well my eye was just falling on it while a was extending my subscribtion and it agure to me that a diferent of 30 euro fon a year subscription is a little much. And it has nothing to do with taxes. If so than US subscribers has to more than euro subscribers because they have lower taxes.
Its all rather odd to me.
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Merenn Rotaly
Caldari Lordless
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:31:00 -
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If you are european and want to save money, then you can just buy an EVE timecode from some US site. It is a bit more complicated, of course, but well worth the effort in my opinion :)
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swoj
The New Order. United Connection's
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:34:00 -
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Haven't currency conversation rates between Europe and the US changed quite a lot recently?
I don't think it was long ago that 1 GBP was worth $1.7, now it is roughly $1.95.
While I agree that the prices should be in line between places like the US and Europe, we can't really expect CCP to fluctuate prices with the currency exchange market.
If they only offered subscription in Euros, then it wouldn't be a problem, however to market games successfully to a region they need to support the currently of that region in order to provide a consistent subscription rate to the users - would you play if you didn't know what your subscription fee would be month to month?
I don't believe that CCP are trying to rip Europeans off (though technically it's the US players getting a discount ), it's just an unfortunate side effect
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Blank Protection
Caldari White Wolves Defence league The OSS
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Merenn Rotaly If you are european and want to save money, then you can just buy an EVE timecode from some US site. It is a bit more complicated, of course, but well worth the effort in my opinion :)
No you have that wrong my friend because timecode cards are more expensive than paying by creditcard or directbed.
For example a 50 Day Gametime Card On Line Price $29.95 But montly fee is 14.95 ( 30 days ) so i pay for the other 20 days $10.
Its a little un-balanced huh?
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Grez
Minmatar The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Blank Protection
Originally by: Merenn Rotaly If you are european and want to save money, then you can just buy an EVE timecode from some US site. It is a bit more complicated, of course, but well worth the effort in my opinion :)
No you have that wrong my friend because timecode cards are more expensive than paying by creditcard or directbed.
For example a 50 Day Gametime Card On Line Price $29.95 But montly fee is 14.95 ( 30 days ) so i pay for the other 20 days $10.
Its a little un-balanced huh?
No such thing as a 50 day GTC. 30 day GTC's are $14.95. They scale exactly with CCP's pricing. ---
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Blank Protection
Caldari White Wolves Defence league The OSS
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: swoj Haven't currency conversation rates between Europe and the US changed quite a lot recently?
While I agree that the prices should be in line between places like the US and Europe, we can't really expect CCP to fluctuate prices with the currency exchange market.
I fully agree with your comment but the best way to deal with it also for CCP is to keep the billing or in dollars or in euros. The bank wil do the rest no problem at all. When im buying something on line for the price in dollars my bank convert it to euro so for me the price will be lower than. This way every subscriber pays after all the same montly fee.
Originally by: swoj
I don't believe that CCP are trying to rip Europeans off (though technically it's the US players getting a discount ), it's just an unfortunate side effect
I don`t believe it either but the "unfortunate side effect" is a little big between Euro vs Dollar billing.
Its still something to think about because this way its a serious disadvantage for Europian paying custumors.
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Blank Protection
Caldari White Wolves Defence league The OSS
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Grez
Originally by: Blank Protection
Originally by: Merenn Rotaly If you are european and want to save money, then you can just buy an EVE timecode from some US site. It is a bit more complicated, of course, but well worth the effort in my opinion :)
No you have that wrong my friend because timecode cards are more expensive than paying by creditcard or directbed.
For example a 50 Day Gametime Card On Line Price $29.95 But montly fee is 14.95 ( 30 days ) so i pay for the other 20 days $10.
Its a little un-balanced huh?
No such thing as a 50 day GTC. 30 day GTC's are $14.95. They scale exactly with CCP's pricing.
https://store.eve-online.com/store/comersus_listCategoriesAndProducts.asp?idCategory=7
50 day timecard my friend
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Major Bloodclaw
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Major Bloodclaw on 05/01/2007 16:38:21 Well, you are missing the fact that they included VAT to that price which can be 15-30% of the price. Blame the EU for that one. I'm also sure they don't scale costs with the ever-changing exchange rate. Just in march it was .84 Dollars to the Euro and now it is .76.
Also, Check out evetimecode.com for 90 day cards for 30 Euro.
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Herr General
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Posted - 2007.01.10 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Herr General on 10/01/2007 16:00:26 Well... it is not about the VAT at all.. CCP simply says that you have to pay the same "number" of EUROs or USDs regardless the exchange rate. Actually CCP declares different prices for the same GTC saying it costs xxx euro or xxxx USD. Normally if the company would say it costs XXX USD, and someone uses an euro card, the bank makes the conversion, CCP dont have to care it. Why do they have different prices for the US and EURO zone, I dont know..
Anyhow, I live in Europe, buy GTC in US via paypal and save my HUF (Hungarian Forints) :)
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Azorean
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Posted - 2007.01.10 16:11:00 -
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It doesn't matter what excuse CCP or anyone comes up with, it is plain and simple unfair. Having said that, I for one am getting my time on EVE at the same cost as everyone else, just look for it and you will find.
Regards.
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Elgar Lightfoot
Lightfoot Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.10 16:20:00 -
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I used to be subscribed via direct payment, but decided I'd had enough of being ripped off and charged more than my US counterparts. I now buy Time cards and pay exactly the same as they do.
For UK players EVE costs 30% more than just about every other MMO out there (unless you buy timecards in $).
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Igus
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Posted - 2007.01.10 17:41:00 -
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I'm not sure what its called but most of Europe has a internet service tax for most services provided over the internet, like online games that charge a fee, its something like 17-20% i think last time i checked.
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Grez
Minmatar The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2007.01.10 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Grez on 10/01/2007 18:16:29
Originally by: Igus I'm not sure what its called but most of Europe has a internet service tax for most services provided over the internet, like online games that charge a fee, its something like 17-20% i think last time i checked.
VAT (Value Added Tax). It's not an 'internet service' tax, it's just a general tax that we in the UK, get charged on everything (including MMO's if the government find out about them). ---
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Dust Rocket
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Posted - 2007.01.10 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Dust Rocket on 10/01/2007 19:37:10 Oh americans are in war, let them have discount
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Th0m4s
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Posted - 2007.01.11 02:27:00 -
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Exchange rate is hovering at roughly 1.20 for a long time, our european taxes are also close to 20%. Those things make a null-operation.
I think we pay just a little more then US people, not that much, (yeah we pay A LOT more but I'm talking about how much CCP receives). Also stuff like this is usually more expensive in Europa (check console prices, hardware prices, software prices, they are all cheaper in america and more expensive in europe!).
Of course the online buying of timecards is a very good idea and I will change to that too instead of auto-payments! It's one beer a month i can drink more :)
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Neon Anderson
Gallente Rising Sun Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.09 17:15:00 -
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nah, dude im sorry i just calculated it all out, and you seem to have missed a few taxes, here in belgium for example i pay 14.95, and after converting the dollar to euro and then adding all the different taxes i have to pay for belgium it comes the same... Im afraid you are mistaken... Neon Anderson As fast as light, as strong as rock |
N4PALM
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Posted - 2007.07.09 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: swoj would you play if you didn't know what your subscription fee would be month to month?
Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure you will, but isnt this the situation we have in the UK? We dont use the euro here and as the exchange rate fluctuates so does the price of eve.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.09 19:10:00 -
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It's nothing to do with taxation..or at least only part of it. In fact the OP's question is wrongly stated.
European players are not paying more than US players. US players are paying less.
It's all down to the exchange rate. The Dollar hasn't been doing very well for the last couple of years and consequently it has dropped in value against the Euro.
CCP are already losing out because of it and if they dropped the Euro payments to equalise things they'd lose out even more. If/when the US economy ever recovers (or perhaps I should say if/when the rest of the world ever thinks that the US economy has recovered) the price gap will narrow. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
[Brackley, UK]
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Vorketh Mordanil
Amarr Brotherhood of Acquisitions
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Posted - 2007.07.09 19:10:00 -
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VAT... that's it. And although getting a timecard via the US is a way to do it cheaper, technically that is tax evasion. Doubt anyone will catch you, but you have been warned. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Chris Stormrider
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Posted - 2007.07.09 21:16:00 -
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I guess it' just bad marketing, 'cause taxes will be paid even if 1€ = $1 . I don't mind, since greece has 19% VAT but as already mentioned, these should've been left up to the banks or something
just my 2isk
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.07.11 15:00:00 -
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It is indeed bad marketing, but they want to keep their pricing simple I guess.
Following is how it works :
1st of all, in Belgium, stores are obligated to give pricing with VAT included ( wich is 21% here ). Thus, in Belgium Europe, we pay 11,81 Euro + 3,14 Euro VAT ( 21% ) = 14,95 Euro So there are even differences bewteen the European countries, because in Greece you only pay 19% VAT, thus you pay 12,11 Euro for the game and 2,84 Euro VAT. Now if we then convert this to what the US players should pay compared to Belgium = 11,81 Euro * 1,377 ( current conversion rate ) = 16,26 Dollar So, while the OP is correct that there are differences, perhaps even too much, the difference isnt as big as the OP tells us : If you pay in Belgium Europe, you pay 16,26 Dollar for the Game ( + VAT ) If you pay in the US, you pay 14,95 Dollar for the Game ( no VAT to be payed ) The difference is 1,31 Dollar or 0,95 Euro per month.
Greetz
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.11 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 11/07/2007 16:19:30 Edited by: Andrue on 11/07/2007 16:18:13
Originally by: Vorketh Mordanil VAT... that's it. And although getting a timecard via the US is a way to do it cheaper, technically that is tax evasion. Doubt anyone will catch you, but you have been warned.
It also deprives CCP of money. The issue is the exchange rate and it affects CCP as it affects everyone else. Since the game started the Dollar has devalued by about 20% (I think - my maths ain't too hot).
Basically back when Eve started $1.5 = ú1 or to put it another way 1.5 Dollars bought you a pound. Now we're up to $2=1ú so now it takes two Dollars to buy a pound. I don't know how the Isk (the real-life one not the game one) has fared but it's probably the same.
To explain why this is a problem let's assume that CCP is a UK company and needs money in Pounds Sterling.
Go back five years and charge Americans $15 to play. That equates to ú10.
Fast forward to day and if you are still charging Americans $15 you are now only getting ú7.5 from them.
Now look at it from the UK player's point of view. They see that they are paying ú10 to play but the American players are only paying ú7.5. Cue loads of whining and screaming on the forums about how it's unfair and all the fault of European taxation levels.
In point of fact the addition of VAT will have pushed the UK player price up by ú1.75. Okay so it's an increase but it's not much more than half of the problem. The other half is down to world-wide economics. Hard to say who is to blame there although US policy makers have to shoulder part of it. They've been riding high on the Dollar for too long. An adjustment has been needed for a long time. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
[Brackley, UK]
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