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Lunaticdie04
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.06 23:38:00 -
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Looks like our government is deciding to add a new 'tax' for those of us who drive. What say yee?
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Ozzie Asrail
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.06 23:58:00 -
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biggest petition ever on the governments e-petition site. No doubt it'll be ignored... -----
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Weebear
The Bowrey
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Posted - 2007.01.07 01:53:00 -
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Suppose they have to make public transport cheaper than driving again somehow! |
Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.01.07 03:40:00 -
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I'm in the fortunate position of living in Edinburgh in a place where I can walk to uni/work/city centre/pubs/clubs. Failing that I get one of the every 10 minute busses (often more frequent), including night busses at the weekend. Thus I don't need a car and haven't driven in about 3 years now, and its great. Saves me a small fortune. If everyone could be in this position I'm sure they would get rid of their cars, but alas, public transport is totally crap in most cities and non-existent in others.
I feel for you drivers, I do. But I'm still not gonna sign it.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Worms Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.07 07:27:00 -
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atleast Europe has a respectable mass transit system, here in the US we drive everywhere as we all live in the Burbs. but atleast our major cities have excellent rail systems to bring people from the burbs into the downtown where you can use city transit(well atleast NYC has this, LA is the sad panda of cities and has crappy transit).
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Chronus26
Gallente Dark Blood Contracts
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Posted - 2007.01.07 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra I'm in the fortunate position of living in Edinburgh in a place where I can walk to uni/work/city centre/pubs/clubs. Failing that I get one of the every 10 minute busses (often more frequent), including night busses at the weekend. Thus I don't need a car and haven't driven in about 3 years now, and its great. Saves me a small fortune. If everyone could be in this position I'm sure they would get rid of their cars, but alas, public transport is totally crap in most cities and non-existent in others.
I feel for you drivers, I do. But I'm still not gonna sign it.
I chose not to learn to dive when I turned 17 for exactly the same reason.
Buying and maintaining a car is something that I couldn't afford to do right now, It doesn't limit you that much.
That said, my parent rely on there cars heavily and probably won't be to chuffed about extra costs. -----
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Lunaticdie04
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.07 18:35:00 -
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It depends what you do really. I used to get on pretty well without a car. Public transport was ok, but kept getting expensive. ú1 for a bus single in London ffs.
But once I got my car I've used it alot and it has made my life a lot easier. I can visit my gf, who lives 100miles away at another uni. Petrol there and back is slightly cheaper than a return train ticket. Moving my stuff to and from uni is easier too. I can make trips that cost less than public transport would.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.07 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 07/01/2007 18:40:22 Public transport is over priced and unreliable. I can get a train ticket from my Uni to my home town at approximately 30% MORE than the cost of petrol to drive it. As me and my GF usually make the trip together, that's some 160% above the cost of both of us going by car together. Further, by car the trip takes about an hour and a quarter, while by train it takes 3 hours. Also, around half of all the train trips (a return trip there or elsewhere about once a week for two years) I have thus far taken have had delays or other hassles. Currently, the train service in my area is completely cancelled from between December and February for "engineering" works. Finally, if I have a car I can take luggage with me, while on a train I can only take what I can bear to carry for 3 hours. Once I get to my home town, bus fare from the train station to my house is ú1.40 single, about ú2.50 return.
Remind me, whats my incentive to use public transport again?!
he only thing that'll actually make me use public transport by preference over driving is if they manage to make driving more expensive and pain-in-the-arse than that. Thats progress for ya -----------------------------------------------
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Bosie
Tenacious Warriors Acquiring Technology
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Posted - 2007.01.07 18:43:00 -
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Bugger. I live a 3 minute drive from work or a 45 minute bus ride. Sticking with the car here thanks.
"There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND."
...Winston |
Apocryphai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.07 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker atleast Europe has a respectable mass transit system, here in the US we drive everywhere as we all live in the Burbs. but atleast our major cities have excellent rail systems to bring people from the burbs into the downtown where you can use city transit(well atleast NYC has this, LA is the sad panda of cities and has crappy transit).
You've not been to the UK have you?
We have possibly the worst public transport in all of Northern Europe because it was all privatised in the 80's and 90's.
Our buses are a joke, our trains are overcrowded and ridiculously overpriced. For instance I live 300 miles away from my parents. If my GF and I both get the train down there it's more expensive than if we hired a car for a weekend and drove down, including the cost of petrol, unless we book our train tickets 3 months in advance.
Neo-liberalism destroyed the US public transport (sorry, mass-transit) a long, long time ago. The destruction of ours by the same forces is still a raw wound for a lot of us
I would sign that online petition against road pricing but it calls for focussing on improving the roads, not on improving public transport and therefore I think it is sadly misguided.
Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
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celous
Caldari Dark Skyes
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Posted - 2007.01.07 23:31:00 -
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E-Petitions?? LMFAO!!! play eve i guess?
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.01.08 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Bosie Bugger. I live a 3 minute drive from work or a 45 minute bus ride. Sticking with the car here thanks.
3 minute drive? Why don't u just walk?
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.08 03:37:00 -
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Edited by: Hllaxiu on 08/01/2007 03:34:06
Originally by: Apocryphai You've not been to the UK have you?
We have possibly the worst public transport in all of Northern Europe because it was all privatised in the 80's and 90's.
I don't think you understand. I live in a city of 300,000 and there is no public transportation that goes anywhere near my house (inside the inner loop too!). --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
GouldFish
Unscoped Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.08 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra I'm in the fortunate position of living in Edinburgh in a place where I can walk to uni/work/city centre/pubs/clubs. Failing that I get one of the every 10 minute busses (often more frequent), including night busses at the weekend. Thus I don't need a car and haven't driven in about 3 years now, and its great. Saves me a small fortune. If everyone could be in this position I'm sure they would get rid of their cars, but alas, public transport is totally crap in most cities and non-existent in others.
I feel for you drivers, I do. But I'm still not gonna sign it.
We have a great bus system in Edinburgh and yet Edinburgh council still seem to think we need a Tram system that is just going to get even more in the way of the buses and car drivers.
I live in Edinburgh but work out in Livingston and so a car is the best way to get there, but it can take 1/2 an hour just to get out of town because of the bus lanes.
as for the tracking thing I can't see it taking off due to a huge number of issues with the system, I'm sure I listed them in another thread.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2007.01.08 13:17:00 -
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Ahh the joys of living in a socialist nanny state.
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RealDark
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Posted - 2007.01.08 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: RealDark on 08/01/2007 16:27:05 Signed it, this is just one example of the many, horrendus, clearly short sighted ideas the government has come up with lately along its current policy which seems to be "don't fix it, tax it!".
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DarkMatter
Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.01.08 19:51:00 -
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It's nice to see that my Government isn't the only one in the world that is ****** up...
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Ikvar
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.08 20:04:00 -
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Ok Tony, but don't come complaining about my unemployment when I get fired for being late to work because I have to bike for 3 hours to get there.
Of course that wouldn't happen because I probably was making more money at 18 than you are at whatever age you are and could afford the tax easy.
Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
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Bosie
Tenacious Warriors Acquiring Technology
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Posted - 2007.01.08 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Bosie on 08/01/2007 22:11:18 Stupid double post.
"There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND."
...Winston |
Bosie
Tenacious Warriors Acquiring Technology
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Posted - 2007.01.08 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Bosie Bugger. I live a 3 minute drive from work or a 45 minute bus ride. Sticking with the car here thanks.
3 minute drive? Why don't u just walk?
Several reasons:
I like to go home on my lunch to see my little girl, not possible if I walk as it takes around 30 minutes to walk there.
I also give several members of staff a lift back to work after my lunch, they would have to get a bus/taxi/walk if I did not.
And the clincher... I finish work at 21:00 (it's dark) and I give my wife and a member of staff a lift home.
So I drive, when I worked across the road from where I do now and I was single I used to cycle to work and back.
"There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND."
...Winston |
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Mr Jay
Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.01.08 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Bosie Bugger. I live a 3 minute drive from work or a 45 minute bus ride. Sticking with the car here thanks.
It takes me a 5 minute walk, but a 25 minute journey by car. Leeds city centre one way streets 4tl*.
*not that I mind walking, I'm just pointing out parking problems, etc, if you're not from Leeds.
Absolute Evil pwned my sig =( |
smashsmash
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Posted - 2007.01.09 20:41:00 -
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they tried to put one of them toll roads near where i lived. my pa and i got us a posse and went down to the court house and fired our shot guns off for a few hours. ---- Would you like some cries with your whaaamburger? |
Iva Soreass
Deadly Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.09 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Iva Soreass on 09/01/2007 21:07:44 Yeah heard about this on the radio, in my work its gonna effect us quite abit (i work for the water board in london where things already cost a bomb to drive and getting around in a car//van is vital). It will sure cause a uproar thats for sure. ----------------------------------------------- "Your momma is so fat, BoB thought she was a region and took her!" |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.09 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: smashsmash they tried to put one of them toll roads near where i lived. my pa and i got us a posse and went down to the court house and fired our shot guns off for a few hours.
We're British- we don't do tolls, guns, or posses -----------------------------------------------
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fateXimpossible
Amarr Unified Refining Federation
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Posted - 2007.01.10 01:26:00 -
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I'm from Florida but I've lived in the UK for just over 2.5 years, and I say this:
Driving is essential to a vast majority of people, and what the government is TRYING to do is decrease the number of cars on the road. Anywhere you go you'll likely find traffic congestion, and if not, you'll find streets that have so many parked cars on them that only one car can proceed at a time. Driving here is crazy compared to in Florida where you have plenty of room and its easier to navigate because the roads are in an orderly grid.
This tax however, is just plain unfair if you ask me. Its like speed cameras, another way to make money and try to keep people off the roads.
EVE-Radio is amazing: Jus4ack/Urri/Brilloman = legends! 'Shut up carebear, this Harbringer has 400 horsepower!' |
Ast3r0iD
Gallente The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.01.10 02:07:00 -
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The only real, fair and positive way that roads and cars can be taxed is through an abolition of all taxation to do with cars except for fuel tax. The gaz guzzling arge cars would - and should - pay more due to their enviromental impact. People who drive a lot pay more tax, people who dont use their car pay less. Its fair, and i really dont understand why its not done. The only mitigating factor I can see is congestion charging and tbh i'm all for that too. The point is your not going to replace cars with public transport in Britain ever. A recent study said that the railways could be sorted out for 6 billion if they were shut for 4 years. Without the shutdown, and done peacemeal it would be simply imposible to bring the standard up in any cost effective way over a reasonable timescale.
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Nuala Reece
Caldari Starlancers
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Posted - 2007.01.10 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Apocryphai You've not been to the UK have you?
We have possibly the worst public transport in all of Northern Europe because it was all privatised in the 80's and 90's.
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Neo-liberalism destroyed the US public transport (sorry, mass-transit) a long, long time ago. The destruction of ours by the same forces is still a raw wound for a lot of us
Neo-liberalism? Confused now - does this mean the years of conservative Thatcherism between 1979 and 1990 didn't happen after all?
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Daszha
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.01.10 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nuala Reece
Originally by: Apocryphai You've not been to the UK have you?
We have possibly the worst public transport in all of Northern Europe because it was all privatised in the 80's and 90's.
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Neo-liberalism destroyed the US public transport (sorry, mass-transit) a long, long time ago. The destruction of ours by the same forces is still a raw wound for a lot of us
Neo-liberalism? Confused now - does this mean the years of conservative Thatcherism between 1979 and 1990 didn't happen after all?
Neo-liberalism in the UK = Essentially Thatcherism.
I think that answers your query unless I've misunderstood your problem.
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Feroz
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Posted - 2007.01.10 17:45:00 -
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Edited by: Feroz on 10/01/2007 17:42:26 I heard about this in an email that was doing the rounds.......
Quote: The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having to purchase a tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to use it. The tracking device will cost about ú200 and in a recent study by the BBC, the lowest monthly bill was ú28 for a rural florist and ú194 for a delivery driver. A non working Mum who used the car to take the kids to school paid ú86 in one month. On top of this massive increase in tax, you will be tracked. Somebody will know where you are at all times. They will also know how fast you have been going, so even if you accidentally creep over a speed limit you can expect a NIP with your monthly bill. If you care about our freedoms and stopping the constant bashing of the car driver, please sign the petition on No 10's new website
Sounds like a bit of a *****
I'm all for reducing the amount people use cars where possible. But the UK's public transport sytem is crap, especially if you live in the smaller towns and villages.
SO SIGN THE PETITION!
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