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Boozbaz
Brutor Clan
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Posted - 2015.11.15 06:48:47 -
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Why is it that there are both Caldari Navy and Federation Navy hybrid charges, but there are no Republic Fleet Missiles? There are Caldari Navy and Republic Fleet ballistic control units.... why not Republic Fleet Missiles?
Main reason I'm griping, is because my standings are bad with Caldari but good with Minmatar. But I can't convert Minmatar LP into good faction missiles. :( |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.11.15 07:17:15 -
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I was thinking about this the other day. I was thinking that faction EM missiles should be Imperial Navy and faction explosive missiles should be Republic Fleet. Federation navy doesn't need any missiles, plus that leaves two types for Caldari Navy which is going to be the biggest producer.
Alternatively it could be done sort of like hybrid ammo: Caldari Navy produces all four missile types but each is also produced by another faction: Imperial Navy produces EM missiles, Federation Navy produces thermal missiles, and Republic Fleet produces kinetic and explosive missiles.
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Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2015.11.15 07:45:48 -
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LP stores need a re balance. Don't expect that this will happen
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2015.11.15 07:48:11 -
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No more tags in LP stores. Tags in LP stores are what makes most of the stores suck. Also no to forcing people to split between stores.
If there is republic fleet missiles, then it should be all 4 types. And dear god, no OP webs that combine the best elements of every other factions possibilities. |
Dr Carbonatite
Corporation for Public Broadcasting
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Posted - 2015.11.15 09:55:59 -
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If this happens, the Republic Fleet (and Domination) Ballistic Control should also get a buff to the Caldari Navy stats. Right now they take more CPU while giving less damage bonus. It's not the only anemic Republic Fleet/Domination module either; see their shield boosters and hardeners. |
Cartheron Crust
Matari Exodus
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Posted - 2015.11.15 11:03:15 -
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Dr Carbonatite wrote:If this happens, the Republic Fleet (and Domination) Ballistic Control should also get a buff to the Caldari Navy stats. Right now they take more CPU while giving less damage bonus. It's not the only anemic Republic Fleet/Domination module either; see their shield boosters and hardeners.
The Domi/RF Ballistic Controls also cost a lot less (ISK wise) than the CN ones. At least the last time I viewed then. Offering a fitting for ISK advantage compared to T2. They are 12 cpu less which is quite substantial so if you are looking for a little extra cpu but don't want to splash on the however many 100'smillions of isk th CN ones are they are an option.
The RF/Domi hardeners also require considerably less cap to use than T2 AND T1 (10GJ compared to 30 per cycle) while requiring less fitting skills than T2. For newer pilots (with not great capacitor skills) the cap benefits may be very helpful or who have not yet trained Hull Upgrades V). As I recall I used them as a newb doing missions until I got the skills for T2 because they weren't that expensive.
These are all alternatives with something to offer for different pilots in different situations. Obviously ISK is a player regulated price (with some soft caps due to tags and LP prices). Otherwise the stats seem fine in the grand scheme of things. |
Ix Method
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
480
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Posted - 2015.11.15 11:35:50 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:LP stores need a re balance. Don't expect that this will happen This. They're a shambles mainly cause they haven't been touched in ever. Hopefully if the new structures let you hire agents/standings get rejigged/whatever this will eventually make the list but I wouldn't hold your breath.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.11.15 11:38:14 -
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I would rather be able to swop hull bonuses than worry about missiles when it comes to Minmatar.
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Khan Wrenth
Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation
269
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Posted - 2015.11.15 12:17:58 -
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Boozbaz wrote:There are good missile ships in the Minmatar T1 and T2 lineup: Breacher, Bellicose, Scythe Fleet Issue, Cyclone, Claymore, Typhoon...
Missiles are the Minmatar's secondary weapon system.
Similarly, hybrid weapons are the Caldari's secondary weapon system.
Why do the Caldari get access to Hybrid charges in their LP store, but Minmatar doesn't get access to missiles?
I mean, even look at this: There's both a Republic Fleet Ballistic Control Unit and a Caldari Navy Ballistic Control Unit. So why no Republic Fleet Missiles?
Main reason I'm griping, is because my standings are bad with Caldari but good with Minmatar. But I can't convert Minmatar LP into good faction missiles. :(
PS. Why don't Minmatar LP Stores offer stasis webifiers? Webifiers are predominantly considered to be a Minmatar faction form of EWAR... but instead the Caldari Navy have it in their LP store? What's the deal? I thought Caldari Navy were all about that ECM. They don't get ECM in their LP store, instead the Mordus Legion offers faction ECM.
I think it'd be funny if the Caldari LP stores only had faction ammo variants for Lead through Iron, while Gallente LP stores had Antimatter through Thorium.
Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
2103
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Posted - 2015.11.15 12:51:57 -
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Khan Wrenth wrote:I think it'd be funny if the Caldari LP stores only had faction ammo variants for Lead through Iron, while Gallente LP stores had Antimatter through Thorium. So, only garbage ammo in the CalNav LP store and only awesome ammo in the FedNav LP Store?
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Dr Carbonatite
Corporation for Public Broadcasting
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Posted - 2015.11.15 13:42:55 -
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Cartheron Crust wrote:
The Domi/RF Ballistic Controls also cost a lot less (ISK wise) than the CN ones. At least the last time I viewed then. Offering a fitting for ISK advantage compared to T2. They are 12 cpu less which is quite substantial so if you are looking for a little extra cpu but don't want to splash on the however many 100'smillions of isk th CN ones are they are an option.
You've got your cart and horse backwards. They're cheaper (though still 60m+) because they're crap, not the other way around. |
Khan Wrenth
Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation
269
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Posted - 2015.11.15 13:43:25 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Khan Wrenth wrote:I think it'd be funny if the Caldari LP stores only had faction ammo variants for Lead through Iron, while Gallente LP stores had Antimatter through Thorium. So, only garbage ammo in the CalNav LP store and only awesome ammo in the FedNav LP Store?
I said funny, not balanced.
Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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Theophilius Tan-Peirre
Brotherhood Of Nomadic Bastards
0
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Posted - 2015.11.15 21:18:40 -
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Damn straight. Minmatar has three good missile boats in the Talwar, Cyclone, and Typhoon. Why shouldn't pilots that favor Republic agents get a little extra love and get Republic missiles. |
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
327
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Posted - 2015.11.15 23:30:29 -
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The Gallente LP stores gets a webber, but does not get a point.
The Minmatar LP store gets a point, but not a webber.
They are deliberately swapped. |
Boozbaz
Brutor Clan
22
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Posted - 2015.11.16 00:01:06 -
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Rawketsled wrote:The Gallente LP stores gets a webber, but does not get a point.
The Minmatar LP store gets a point, but not a webber.
They are deliberately swapped.
That's fair. They are allies too, so trading is easier. But the missiles.... I think it's actually a little unfair that Caldari get both faction missiles and hybrids, but Minmatar only gets faction projectile. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2719
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Posted - 2015.11.16 20:30:11 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:LP stores need a re balance. Don't expect that this will happen Keep saying things aren't getting rebalanced.
I'll see you before the end of 2016 with at minimum a start of LP store rebalancing. I'm willing to bet ISK it's one of the next things coming up.
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The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
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Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2015.11.16 21:34:04 -
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I came to see if somebody posted an actual republic fleet missile and almost had to leave disappointed... Well, DIY.
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Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries Stain Confederation
316
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Posted - 2015.11.16 22:06:29 -
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Boozbaz wrote:Why do the Caldari get access to Hybrid charges in their LP store, but Minmatar doesn't get access to missiles?
Missiles were never the Minmatar's secondary weapon system until the last few years. They didn't have any hulls bonused for them until tiericide.
Previously Amarr had more missile bonused hulls and Minmatar had better drone bays. That is why you still see anomalies like the sacrilege in the Amarr line up.
The LP store is still a relic from the past.
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Cartheron Crust
Matari Exodus
188
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Posted - 2015.11.16 22:27:37 -
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Moac Tor wrote:Boozbaz wrote:Why do the Caldari get access to Hybrid charges in their LP store, but Minmatar doesn't get access to missiles?
Missiles were never the Minmatar's secondary weapon system until the last few years. They didn't have any hulls bonused for them until tiericide. Previously Amarr had more missile bonused hulls and Minmatar had better drone bays. That is why you still see anomalies like the sacrilege in the Amarr line up. The LP store is still a relic from the past.
Iirc the Typhoon was bonused for projectiles AND missiles. I think the Huginn too. This was before tiericide. I think that's it though. |
Moac Tor
Cy-Core Industries Stain Confederation
317
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Posted - 2015.11.16 22:30:17 -
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Cartheron Crust wrote:Moac Tor wrote:Boozbaz wrote:Why do the Caldari get access to Hybrid charges in their LP store, but Minmatar doesn't get access to missiles?
Missiles were never the Minmatar's secondary weapon system until the last few years. They didn't have any hulls bonused for them until tiericide. Previously Amarr had more missile bonused hulls and Minmatar had better drone bays. That is why you still see anomalies like the sacrilege in the Amarr line up. The LP store is still a relic from the past. Iirc the Typhoon was bonused for projectiles AND missiles. I think the Huginn too. This was before tiericide. I think that's it though. Yes thats true, Typhoon had the split weapon bonus along with the scythe FI, and huginn was missiles until very recently (forgot about that one). Minmatar was well known for having split weapon systems, even the Naglfar.
Tiericide streamlined a lot of things though (a lot of people complained about loss of flavour at the time).
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Vic Jefferson
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
701
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Posted - 2015.11.17 01:20:40 -
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Caldari Navy Antimatter and Federation Navy Antimatter charges should be harmonized, along with all the rest of the hybrid charges to just Navy Antimatter, etc.
Think of the world we would be living in if, instead of navy cap charges, there were four varieties which were functionally the same item?
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Dr Carbonatite
Corporation for Public Broadcasting
7
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Posted - 2015.11.17 04:07:34 -
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Moac Tor wrote:Cartheron Crust wrote:Moac Tor wrote:Boozbaz wrote:Why do the Caldari get access to Hybrid charges in their LP store, but Minmatar doesn't get access to missiles?
Missiles were never the Minmatar's secondary weapon system until the last few years. They didn't have any hulls bonused for them until tiericide. Previously Amarr had more missile bonused hulls and Minmatar had better drone bays. That is why you still see anomalies like the sacrilege in the Amarr line up. The LP store is still a relic from the past. Iirc the Typhoon was bonused for projectiles AND missiles. I think the Huginn too. This was before tiericide. I think that's it though. Yes thats true, Typhoon had the split weapon bonus along with the scythe FI, and huginn was missiles until very recently (forgot about that one). Minmatar was well known for having split weapon systems, even the Naglfar. Tiericide streamlined a lot of things though (a lot of people complained about loss of flavour at the time).
There were multiple Minmatar hulls with missile bonuses, though they were always split. A lot of Minmatar ships also had multiple utility highs and unbonused launcher slots and decent drone bays. Tiericide was a mixed blessing - a lot of fairly crappy ships became not crap (which was great), but at the same time a lot of flavor and versatility was lost (through loss of unbonused hardpoints and utility slots and homogenization of attributes like speed, agility, sig radius, etc.). This didn't just affect Minmatar, though since I was mainly flying Minmatar at the time it seems/seemed to me that they were hit the hardest.
The only Amarr hulls with missile bonuses are/were Khanid ships. The launcher slots on the Armageddon and Prophecy kind of came out of nowhere during Tiericide, though I'm not complaining about that.
Drones as Amarr's secondary weapon was also mainly a Fozzie invention - they were only ever bonused on Arbitrator-based hulls before.
Oh, also to the people linking faction FOF missiles - check the market on them, they're expensive as hell because they were removed from LP stores 4-5 years or so ago. I don't know why. |
Boozbaz
Brutor Clan
23
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Posted - 2015.11.19 07:22:59 -
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So who do I need to email to get CCP to put missiles onto the shelves of the Minmatar LP Stores? |
Yockerbow
Aliastra Gallente Federation
58
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Posted - 2015.11.20 08:35:08 -
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Boozbaz wrote:So who do I need to email to get CCP to put missiles onto the shelves of the Minmatar LP Stores?
Probably Grath Telkin. |
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