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sigheve
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Posted - 2007.01.10 09:31:00 -
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Yes this is an alt post, but only because I have no active accounts and I still read the forums because I care about the game but I find it semi-boring atm.
Hardware
I have played the game a long time, and have friends who have played since the time when having a cruiser was a big deal. Problems, imbalances, and bugs have came and went. The one problem that has not left us, and is getting worse by the day is lag. A while ago, Tranq got its first major hardware upgrade. At the time, that was supposed to make everything peachy. Instead, thousands more players joined. Now, that is a good thing game wise, bad performance wise. Now it feels like CCP is making hardware upgrades just to make the gameplay semi acceptable. I have always wondered if the fundamental way the game was designed (mostly how the hardware was utilized at the code level) was practical. It was fine when there were 5000 players, not so much with 25,000. It seems more practical to use all the cpu's as a pool instead of assigning solar systems to seperate nodes. It is too finite and is why there are node crashes when people insist on blobbing up. (Imagine every person in a region of WoW leaving their servers to play on one single server with little or no warning. This is an extreme example, but the same idea. And no, I do not play that boring game either.)
I don't see Eve losing players (except maybe some vets who favored the good ol days). I see its population growing even more. How impossible would it be to rewrite the server at such a fundamental level? Does anyone else see what I am getting at or am I am completely lost on how the current system works?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.01.10 09:40:00 -
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I think its just the load balancing that needs some work. You can have perfect response times at most places in the universe, but then you have some systems where you cant play at all. There are plenty of resources in the cluster, its just that it might need to be load balanced a bit differently.
And as for rewriting the server... I think they are adding/rewriting stuff to optimize it all the time. Rewriting from the ground from scratch is probably hardly even possible without introducing tons of bugs and make Eve go into alpha stage again. --- Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Allakhazam |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.10 09:42:00 -
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I'd say that lag is no worse now than it was in late 2003.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
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Simon Illian
Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.01.10 09:45:00 -
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before revelation, 300 in local brign lag (d7-), after 450 bring lag (i-ng), but 300 in I-ng wihtout lag.
i think we got a "critical" number who always increase.
The problem (for the dev) is that the population increase same rate.
Before a 20 vs 20 whas laggy, ppl complaign. Patch 40vs40 : omg we got lag !!(and incidientaly 20vs20 don't have lag at this time) patch 10vs10 : omg we got lag !!! rsie & repeat :p ____________________________________________ For all you'r Map & Data madness : http://eve.galop-spatial.com |
Sorela
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.10 09:49:00 -
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From a hardware/server software standpoint EvE is poorly designed. There is little doubt of the fact that they will always have to have more hardware and have to cut more corners than a better setup would have to do.
Even saying that though it seems like their platform is extendable enough that they can just keep throwing a bit more money at it and have it work. I suspect the current problems are that EvE has finally reached enough customers that they are starting to finally see the kind of odd quirks 30k concurrent players can cause like many MMO's find out on opening day. Their first "big" update to that kind of user base is probably throwing some new hooks at them that they need to learn to anticipate.
The one ammusing thing will be when they finally have to hire someone who knows that Microsoft crapware just won't cut it for what they are doing.
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Gabriel Karade
Nulli-Secundus
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Posted - 2007.01.10 09:53:00 -
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I must be playing a different game because throughout the last year I've had few problems with genuine server lag - sure my client sometimes gets a bit choppy (I don't understand why the sound effects have such a huge impact ) but nothing that can be attributed to the server creakingā ----------
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Arimus Darkhart
Caldari Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.10 09:59:00 -
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Out of interest and boredom I was tracking via ethereal the network traffic from/to eve while I was having a problem with lag and also monitoring the state of the eve client process.
The process was blocking a number of times on disk io rather than the network.
Looking at my network traffic I couldn't see any obvious server-side lag...
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.10 10:03:00 -
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Apart from Blob node crashes i rarely have any lag problems with eve. They really do need to figure out a way to add dynamic node load balancing though. -----
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Chillshock
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Posted - 2007.01.10 10:09:00 -
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In what way does rewriting code get more difficult with the amount of people using it? It's still the same amount of code only with more data telling you what you need to do. :D
I am not playing eve for that long, but so far I see a lot of very very cool improvements made and I am looking forward to it's future.
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Slimo
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Posted - 2007.01.10 10:26:00 -
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It's funny how all the whingers think they can do a better job.
As far as I can tell lag is much better than that of other mmo's. From what I hear about WoW's performance Eve is 10 times better!
If I could be bothered I'd post a whinge about all the whingers! But I've got better things to do.....like enjoy the best game there is!
Fly Safe
Slimo
SLIMS is currently recruiting!
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.10 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Chillshock In what way does rewriting code get more difficult with the amount of people using it? It's still the same amount of code only with more data telling you what you need to do. :D
More people = more stress on the code, if its not coded effeciently enough then problems arise. Ineffecient coding doesnt always matter if the amount of users is low as it doesnt stack to become notoicable.
So yeah, writing code for programs with a huge amount of users is harder -----
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari Kemono.
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Posted - 2007.01.10 10:38:00 -
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tbh talking about lag i dont remmber when i dont have lag fighting even in 5x5 fights
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Naran Darkmood
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.10 10:47:00 -
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I used to play Guild Wars for some time after release. I re-installed it lately again and quit immidiately. Even mission running in Saila is better than that.
These posts come up regularly since beta, first it was with 3k concurrent users, then 5k, 7.5k, 10k, 15k, 20k, you get it. CCP optimizes, they get more subscribers, a new limit is reached. I guess, the same posts will pop up when there are 50k or 100k users online at the same time.
Originally by: Jiekon From what i`m aware of, reading the game rules, it's not against any rules to mine
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Captain Clue
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.01.10 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Naran Darkmood I used to play Guild Wars for some time after release. I re-installed it lately again and quit immidiately. Even mission running in Saila is better than that.
These posts come up regularly since beta, first it was with 3k concurrent users, then 5k, 7.5k, 10k, 15k, 20k, you get it. CCP optimizes, they get more subscribers, a new limit is reached. I guess, the same posts will pop up when there are 50k or 100k users online at the same time.
Don't jest about 100k people on at the same time, imagine how many of them will be in jita!
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Dao 2
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate The Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.10 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Dao 2 on 10/01/2007 10:59:40 yeah some places get laggy, specially jita when its real active but with that many ppl there its to be expected!
still the real killer is fleet battles :| (if u say "omg dont have them" ur completely retarded go throw urself off a cliff)
edit: oh and blobbing itself isnt really it >< When people get together in fleets is really not that bad its just when the pew pew starts ;) ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p)
the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that
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Cryus Aphax
In The Face Productions
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Posted - 2007.01.10 12:50:00 -
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I've been quite amazed with the performance in Jita recently. I've been able to jump in, use the market, fit a ship and jump out whichout any huge problems with lag. Even on a Sunday evening when there is something like 700 people in system.
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Lucy Lastic
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Posted - 2007.01.10 12:56:00 -
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WHAT LAG
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Flyyn
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:04:00 -
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You know the only lag I have is when I log on my squad of miners. Notice I am a 56k user so it can get pretty laggers. But then when all 12 are loged on I have no problems at all.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 10/01/2007 13:18:55
Originally by: Cryus Aphax I've been quite amazed with the performance in Jita recently. I've been able to jump in, use the market, fit a ship and jump out whichout any huge problems with lag. Even on a Sunday evening when there is something like 700 people in system.
Seconded - granted, it took a bit longer to actually jump in than it did to jump into the nearby systems, but it could have been a lot worse.
As for me, I've relocated to a less busy mission hub which only has about 40 people in local most of the time, compared to ~130 in Motsu/Saila/Aramachi. ------
So you're lagged out in Motsu/Saila/Aramachi, but you want that CNR? Do missions for another corp! |
Talmssar
Caldari Raptus Regaliter Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.01.10 14:42:00 -
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Booh,
I have played since release. I have seen the real lag days! I mean when it was up to hardware in fact. Now it is up to people and their clients (hardware). Mostly it is because " I just re-installed client again to get all smooth. " - Did u set up your client after cache clear / client reinstall? " What setup? I keep all graphs @ max etc. " That conversation is so usual with common players.
I dont say it is players fault but they cause most of time lag what they are getting. Not SERVER(s). Try learn how to use your computers, it is not gaming console wich do not need setups at all. (in eve there is even hidden client setup settings for advanced users or at least was:P I dont have had need to touch em at all. Allso I dont need to reinstall my client at all:) I used same base installation over year with no problems.)
I just prefer that all have good time here. |
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Riho
Red Wrath Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.01.10 15:56:00 -
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well, i dont have lagg isses... well, ofc when i get near jita and stuff.. yes.. but thats understandable.
but some ppl say the game is unplayable and then say its the servers fault.... well if it was unplayable wouldnt be there more ppl writing angry posts ? not 10-20 ppl... but thousands.
there are 2 other factors that some computer noobs (ppl who have litle clue how computers work) dont think about.... theyr ISP and what route does your connection take to reach EVE servers and theyr own PCs/laptops that are infested whit spyware/un defragmented hard drives/ 1gb eve cache folder/ bad drivers and so on.
im not saying that there isnt server lag at all.... yes it happens... but its not as bad as some ppl make it out to be.
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Riho
Red Wrath Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.01.10 15:56:00 -
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well, i dont have lagg isses... well, ofc when i get near jita and stuff.. yes.. but thats understandable.
but some ppl say the game is unplayable and then say its the servers fault.... well if it was unplayable wouldnt be there more ppl writing angry posts ? not 10-20 ppl... but thousands.
there are 2 other factors that some computer noobs (ppl who have litle clue how computers work) dont think about.... theyr ISP and what route does your connection take to reach EVE servers and theyr own PCs/laptops that are infested whit spyware/un defragmented hard drives/ 1gb eve cache folder/ bad drivers and so on.
im not saying that there isnt server lag at all.... yes it happens... but its not as bad as some ppl make it out to be.
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Herculite
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.10 15:57:00 -
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Three days ago....
After over an hour of cat and mouse.
We think they fell into our trap. They think we did.
20 vrs 20 in agil, almost even in ship types.
80 in local.
This should be one of those fights where we are all happy with the outcome, win or lose, the stuff eve is made out of, its why I play the game. I don't play it to make isk.
1 frame per 15 seconds or so. I think only about five ships died total on both sides before we all gave up.
I got a hawk kill. Problem was I never targeted a hawk, my drones did it, I never saw it, and I'm sure he didn't either.
This is not acceptable.
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Herculite
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.10 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Herculite on 10/01/2007 15:55:21 Double posty
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Herculite
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.10 15:57:00 -
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Three days ago....
After over an hour of cat and mouse.
We think they fell into our trap. They think we did.
20 vrs 20 in agil, almost even in ship types.
80 in local.
This should be one of those fights where we are all happy with the outcome, win or lose, the stuff eve is made out of, its why I play the game. I don't play it to make isk.
1 frame per 15 seconds or so. I think only about five ships died total on both sides before we all gave up.
I got a hawk kill. Problem was I never targeted a hawk, my drones did it, I never saw it, and I'm sure he didn't either.
This is not acceptable.
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Herculite
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.10 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Herculite on 10/01/2007 15:55:21 Double posty
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Logi3
sasha and co Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2007.01.10 16:01:00 -
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Me and a mate recently upgraded computers and we have both noticed a decrease in lag. I have never had lag on my new system, market comes up straight away etc. Same for him and hes recently been involved in some big battles.
But Eve does seem to be spending more time down then it used too
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Logi3
sasha and co Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2007.01.10 16:01:00 -
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Me and a mate recently upgraded computers and we have both noticed a decrease in lag. I have never had lag on my new system, market comes up straight away etc. Same for him and hes recently been involved in some big battles.
But Eve does seem to be spending more time down then it used too
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.10 16:18:00 -
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Damn, my tinfoil hat draw is nearly empty........... -----------------------------------------------
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Alassra Eventide
Veldspar Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.10 16:28:00 -
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Wonder how many times this needs to be said...
It doesn't matter if there is 1 person in local or 300, if you are on the same node (note: Nodes do not equal space systems) as a mahor fleet battle between two major alliances, or the same node as 400 other people randomly killing each other, you will suffer degraded performance compared to a low traffic node.
Then again, most people never check to see if it's really the servers' fault, or whether it has to do with the route their isp takes them into the servers with.
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