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Jen Miller
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Posted - 2007.01.10 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Jen Miller Edited by: Jen Miller on 10/01/2007 18:53:47
This is a sleezy tactic. No coporation should be allowed to leave an Alliance as long as there is an outstanding wardec. Attrition of treasure and materials is a primary goal of war. Leave so you can resupply unfettered is just wrong.
This is a PVP game, you know.
You can't make that rule.
A bad executor corp would then just make an alt corp to wardec his own alliance just to make sure the corps can't leave. Some alliances have continuous wardecs 365 days a year, then no corp could ever leave.
True. Then maybe there should be a very long cooling off period before a corporation can rejoin an alliance.
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Rawk Awn
Minmatar Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.01.10 19:22:00 -
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Here's an even better one...
Was patrolling in Rens yesterday and found a PA docked in a station.
So I wait outside for them to undock. They do (eventually), they're showing flashy red wartarget in overview and in local. I proceed to lock and engage only to be CONCORDOKKEN.
The sucker evidently quit their corp right before or as they were undocking.
Judging by this thread, this is the kind of crap tactic that PA wants to be known for. I was looking forward to this war and now I'm just disgusted. **** PA lamers - I'm going to concentrate on the Amarrian Loyalist wars we have now. At least I know I'll get a good fight. The way this is going, PA is going to have one of the worst reputations in the galaxy in pretty short order.
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BallsSnatcher
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Posted - 2007.01.10 19:24:00 -
[63]
only thing i see that is an Exploit is the Fact that they war 25 Alliances at a time. So they are free to fight anyone in High sec systems w/out concord blowing them up for ganking. All it is is pirateing w/ permission slip. The privateers wont go into low sec.
Im jump between the two so the war thing dont bother be. But most ppl go to low sec to pvp.
Doesnt matter to me I think concord should take two weeks off and let jita turn into a mosh pit.
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Redback911
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Posted - 2007.01.10 19:31:00 -
[64]
I would say that the wardec system is incredibly flawed, and the Privateers are definitely exploiting it. Sucks.
Stick in a 1 month timer for corps / individuals leaving am alliance / corp to be able to rejoin it. Job done.
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Wieland II
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.10 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Rawk Awn Here's an even better one...
Was patrolling in Rens yesterday and found a PA docked in a station.
So I wait outside for them to undock. They do (eventually), they're showing flashy red wartarget in overview and in local. I proceed to lock and engage only to be CONCORDOKKEN.
The sucker evidently quit their corp right before or as they were undocking.
Judging by this thread, this is the kind of crap tactic that PA wants to be known for. I was looking forward to this war and now I'm just disgusted. **** PA lamers - I'm going to concentrate on the Amarrian Loyalist wars we have now. At least I know I'll get a good fight. The way this is going, PA is going to have one of the worst reputations in the galaxy in pretty short order.
i thought there is a 24 hour timer when you leave a corp.
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Erfnam
Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.10 19:43:00 -
[66]
If an alliance is at war and a corp leaves it during that war, it should not be able to rejoin while the alliance is still at war. The corp surrenders the war when they leave the alliance, which RP means they submitted the proper paperwork to CONCORD making their surrender official.
The receivers of a war dec should be able to just pay CONCORD to invalidate the war. The price should be more than the value to declare war on a target. The aggressor might not be able to destroy their assets, but they can drain the wallet (Wallet Neutralizer I).
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Sorted
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.10 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: BallsSnatcher So they are free to fight anyone in High sec systems w/out concord blowing them up for ganking. All it is is pirateing w/ permission slip. The privateers wont go into low sec.
He gets it. I like this alt. He must of looked up the term Privateers in google eh
Yarrrrr... I might not be the best pirate, but I still got this letter of marquee, standard issue eye patch and a platic parrot when I signed up. yarr
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DarkMatter
Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.01.10 19:58:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Wieland II
Originally by: Rawk Awn Here's an even better one...
Was patrolling in Rens yesterday and found a PA docked in a station.
So I wait outside for them to undock. They do (eventually), they're showing flashy red wartarget in overview and in local. I proceed to lock and engage only to be CONCORDOKKEN.
The sucker evidently quit their corp right before or as they were undocking.
Judging by this thread, this is the kind of crap tactic that PA wants to be known for. I was looking forward to this war and now I'm just disgusted. **** PA lamers - I'm going to concentrate on the Amarrian Loyalist wars we have now. At least I know I'll get a good fight. The way this is going, PA is going to have one of the worst reputations in the galaxy in pretty short order.
i thought there is a 24 hour timer when you leave a corp.
If you don't have any roles at all, you can leave instantly...
Another abused mechanic... When a wardec starts, ppl remove all roles on themselves, then if they find themselves in a bind during a war, they can get out of jail free by quitting the corp right there on the spot...
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Oktain
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Posted - 2007.01.10 20:02:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Jen Miller Edited by: Jen Miller on 10/01/2007 18:53:47
This is a sleezy tactic. No coporation should be allowed to leave an Alliance as long as there is an outstanding wardec. Attrition of treasure and materials is a primary goal of war. Leave so you can resupply unfettered is just wrong.
This is a PVP game, you know.
A PvP game but not necessarily an RTS game. Some people view EvE as a land control type strategic warfare sim. Others as a FPS jump on and kill for an hour and log. The game mechanics provide for both playstyles.
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Metsook Mekhon
Hesger
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Posted - 2007.01.10 20:04:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Metsook Mekhon on 10/01/2007 20:03:53
Originally by: Rawk Awn Here's an even better one...
Was patrolling in Rens yesterday and found a PA docked in a station.
So I wait outside for them to undock. They do (eventually), they're showing flashy red wartarget in overview and in local. I proceed to lock and engage only to be CONCORDOKKEN.
The sucker evidently quit their corp right before or as they were undocking.
Judging by this thread, this is the kind of crap tactic that PA wants to be known for. I was looking forward to this war and now I'm just disgusted. **** PA lamers - I'm going to concentrate on the Amarrian Loyalist wars we have now. At least I know I'll get a good fight. The way this is going, PA is going to have one of the worst reputations in the galaxy in pretty short order.
If he was still red that's the game mechanics. I am no longer in PA but while I was myself and a few other mates were Killed by Concord for shooting at what we thought were war targets. Apparently, from what I understand, if a war expires while you are online you must re-log to keep your overview from showing the now non-dec'd corp as neutral. It's hard to keep track when so many wars are going on, but that's the nature of the beast. I never bothered to see if the war had actually expired with that corp, then again I didn't run to the forums and accuse them of anything. I simply jumped in another ship and carried on.
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Caprica VI
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Posted - 2007.01.10 20:27:00 -
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Wardecs should stay on the members of wardecced corps for like 2 days even if they leave ...
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Priest Valliant
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Posted - 2007.01.10 20:48:00 -
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maybe if when you join an alliance you cant quiyt it for 2 weeks ?
Afterall its should be a big decision and not one to be taken 'willy nilly' imo, I mean what kind of alliance is one where the members keep joining and quitting this game mechanic doesn't sound like it belongs in EVE it needs to be changed slightly, imho.
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Bawldeux IV
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.01.10 20:49:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Bo Dikka Edited by: Bo Dikka on 10/01/2007 18:18:10 Ok guys. I got a reply from the GM's to my petition on this subject.
And I hope he won't mind me posting the important line
"This is not considered an exploit."
Time for this Alt to STFU and get back to the game. That's all I needed to know. See you Priveteers in game, hopefully when I have a lot of other gun toting ships with me
Well Fsck ccp then. GM must have head in arse to make such a boneheaded decision.
EXPLOIT THE FSK OUT OF ANY MECHANIC AS AN ALLIANCE AND YOU CAN'T BE BANNED.
REMEMBER THIS!
AS LONG AS IT IS AN ALLIANCE DOING IT AS A WHOLE, IT IS NOT AN EXPLOIT TO HOP IN AND OUT OF A CORP OR ALLIANCE TO EVADE WAR PENALTIES SUCH AS "NO SAFETY IN EMPIRE".
LET THE MASSIVE GRIEF BEGIN!!!!!!!!
you know ccp will moonwalk on this soon, when enough are doing it, and it causes their RL wallets to get thinner.
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TheAwakening
Caldari Post-Terran Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2007.01.10 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Rawk Awn The sucker evidently quit their corp right before or as they were undocking.
Judging by this thread, this is the kind of crap tactic that PA wants to be known for.
You can only quit a corporation whilst docked in a station. Privateers aren't allowed to quit their corporations now? F12 it and move on.
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Portios Smith
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2007.01.10 21:27:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Rawk Awn
The sucker evidently quit their corp right before or as they were undocking.
This has to win as the lamest thing I've ever read. Sig removed does not contain your name, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus |
Ka'Chen Malora
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Posted - 2007.01.10 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Bo Dikka OK. The situation we have seen is as follows. We got wardecked by The Priveteers Then we get messages that, so and so Corp, cannot fight us anymore because they are not elligable to fight. Upon checking, the Corps mentioned have left Priveteers A few days later we get the message that So and so Corp has wardecked us, and upon checking they are back in.
Now the pressident for me question is that last year, when we was wardecked by a PvP Corp, we got an OpFor member formally warned for leaving his Corp during a war, then returning while the war is running. It seems the rule is, that it's OK for an individual to leave a Corp during time of war, but then they cannot return until after hostilities finish. As far as I thought, this was true too of Corps in an Alliance?
As I say, I would be greatful if a GM could clarify this situation once and for all as it does seem to be a grey area. If there is no problem, then fine. If it is the case, then Priveteers need to re-think their plan
Wait, let me try and understand.
You filed a petition against Privateers (or more accurately, against one corp) because they left the alliance to avoid a war declaration? I think you'll find that the whole point of the alliance is to wardec other corps and alliances in such numbers as to provide vast quantities of war targets in empire - and in that, yes, they do succeed rather well.
So why then, do you assume that this corp left Privateers in order to get away from you? I'm sure if they were really scared of having war targets they would have left before they had 37 (roughly) ongoing wars (about 10,000 targets, correct me if I'm wrong). Why should they leave because of you? I see your point, but this seems slightly tenuous.
Besides, the rules of Privateers do say "you are free to come and go whenever you so wish, as long as you pay your share of the wardec fees".
PS: Yes, my main is in Privateer Alliance. 10mil to the one who guesses him.
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Roue
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.10 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Bawldeux IV
Originally by: Bo Dikka Edited by: Bo Dikka on 10/01/2007 18:18:10 Ok guys. I got a reply from the GM's to my petition on this subject.
And I hope he won't mind me posting the important line
"This is not considered an exploit."
Time for this Alt to STFU and get back to the game. That's all I needed to know. See you Priveteers in game, hopefully when I have a lot of other gun toting ships with me
Well Fsck ccp then. GM must have head in arse to make such a boneheaded decision.
EXPLOIT THE FSK OUT OF ANY MECHANIC AS AN ALLIANCE AND YOU CAN'T BE BANNED.
REMEMBER THIS!
AS LONG AS IT IS AN ALLIANCE DOING IT AS A WHOLE, IT IS NOT AN EXPLOIT TO HOP IN AND OUT OF A CORP OR ALLIANCE TO EVADE WAR PENALTIES SUCH AS "NO SAFETY IN EMPIRE".
LET THE MASSIVE GRIEF BEGIN!!!!!!!!
you know ccp will moonwalk on this soon, when enough are doing it, and it causes their RL wallets to get thinner.
/caplockcruisecontrolforcooloff
Easy there buddy. Maybe there's a reason it's not considered a exploit.
Hmmm...
There does indeed seem to be a big difference here between what alot of people say is an exploit, members leaving a corp to evade war then rejoining.
The difference is that if a corp leaves an alliance to evade war you can still war dec the corp that left. While if a member runs to an NPC corp to evade war then comes back that is indeed a bit of unfairly play.
Perhaps the argument comes down to, if that corp left the war, and the corp wanted them to still be subjuct to their agression. Why didn't they take it upon themselves to pay the bill to get the fight continued? Game mechanics supported it.
Me opinions are me and me parrots alone.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.10 21:51:00 -
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Sounds like griefing ... --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
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Olixia Castitatis
Gallente Svefn-G-Englar
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Posted - 2007.01.10 22:05:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Ka'Chen Malora
Originally by: Bo Dikka OK. The situation we have seen is as follows. We got wardecked by The Priveteers Then we get messages that, so and so Corp, cannot fight us anymore because they are not elligable to fight. Upon checking, the Corps mentioned have left Priveteers A few days later we get the message that So and so Corp has wardecked us, and upon checking they are back in.
Now the pressident for me question is that last year, when we was wardecked by a PvP Corp, we got an OpFor member formally warned for leaving his Corp during a war, then returning while the war is running. It seems the rule is, that it's OK for an individual to leave a Corp during time of war, but then they cannot return until after hostilities finish. As far as I thought, this was true too of Corps in an Alliance?
As I say, I would be greatful if a GM could clarify this situation once and for all as it does seem to be a grey area. If there is no problem, then fine. If it is the case, then Priveteers need to re-think their plan
Wait, let me try and understand.
You filed a petition against Privateers (or more accurately, against one corp) because they left the alliance to avoid a war declaration? I think you'll find that the whole point of the alliance is to wardec other corps and alliances in such numbers as to provide vast quantities of war targets in empire - and in that, yes, they do succeed rather well.
So why then, do you assume that this corp left Privateers in order to get away from you? I'm sure if they were really scared of having war targets they would have left before they had 37 (roughly) ongoing wars (about 10,000 targets, correct me if I'm wrong). Why should they leave because of you? I see your point, but this seems slightly tenuous.
Besides, the rules of Privateers do say "you are free to come and go whenever you so wish, as long as you pay your share of the wardec fees".
PS: Yes, my main is in Privateer Alliance. 10mil to the one who guesses him.
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Cleptopatra
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Posted - 2007.01.10 22:10:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Roue
Originally by: Bawldeux IV
Originally by: Bo Dikka Edited by: Bo Dikka on 10/01/2007 18:18:10 Ok guys. I got a reply from the GM's to my petition on this subject.
And I hope he won't mind me posting the important line
"This is not considered an exploit."
Time for this Alt to STFU and get back to the game. That's all I needed to know. See you Priveteers in game, hopefully when I have a lot of other gun toting ships with me
Well Fsck ccp then. GM must have head in arse to make such a boneheaded decision.
EXPLOIT THE FSK OUT OF ANY MECHANIC AS AN ALLIANCE AND YOU CAN'T BE BANNED.
REMEMBER THIS!
AS LONG AS IT IS AN ALLIANCE DOING IT AS A WHOLE, IT IS NOT AN EXPLOIT TO HOP IN AND OUT OF A CORP OR ALLIANCE TO EVADE WAR PENALTIES SUCH AS "NO SAFETY IN EMPIRE".
LET THE MASSIVE GRIEF BEGIN!!!!!!!!
you know ccp will moonwalk on this soon, when enough are doing it, and it causes their RL wallets to get thinner.
/caplockcruisecontrolforcooloff
Easy there buddy. Maybe there's a reason it's not considered a exploit.
Hmmm...
There does indeed seem to be a big difference here between what alot of people say is an exploit, members leaving a corp to evade war then rejoining.
The difference is that if a corp leaves an alliance to evade war you can still war dec the corp that left. While if a member runs to an NPC corp to evade war then comes back that is indeed a bit of unfairly play.
Perhaps the argument comes down to, if that corp left the war, and the corp wanted them to still be subjuct to their agression. Why didn't they take it upon themselves to pay the bill to get the fight continued? Game mechanics supported it.
Me opinions are me and me parrots alone.
So, if people leaving a corp to get away from a war dec don't go into an npc corp it wouldn't be an exploit? Because, by your reasoning the aggressors could just war dec the new corporation. It's supported by game mechanics, right? |
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2007.01.10 22:12:00 -
[81]
The whole war dec situation is an absurd joke.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Bawldeux IV
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.01.10 22:14:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Roue
Originally by: Bawldeux IV
Originally by: Bo Dikka Edited by: Bo Dikka on 10/01/2007 18:18:10 Ok guys. I got a reply from the GM's to my petition on this subject.
And I hope he won't mind me posting the important line
"This is not considered an exploit."
Time for this Alt to STFU and get back to the game. That's all I needed to know. See you Priveteers in game, hopefully when I have a lot of other gun toting ships with me
Well Fsck ccp then. GM must have head in arse to make such a boneheaded decision.
EXPLOIT THE FSK OUT OF ANY MECHANIC AS AN ALLIANCE AND YOU CAN'T BE BANNED.
REMEMBER THIS!
AS LONG AS IT IS AN ALLIANCE DOING IT AS A WHOLE, IT IS NOT AN EXPLOIT TO HOP IN AND OUT OF A CORP OR ALLIANCE TO EVADE WAR PENALTIES SUCH AS "NO SAFETY IN EMPIRE".
LET THE MASSIVE GRIEF BEGIN!!!!!!!!
you know ccp will moonwalk on this soon, when enough are doing it, and it causes their RL wallets to get thinner.
/caplockcruisecontrolforcooloff
Easy there buddy. Maybe there's a reason it's not considered a exploit.
Hmmm...
There does indeed seem to be a big difference here between what alot of people say is an exploit, members leaving a corp to evade war then rejoining.
The difference is that if a corp leaves an alliance to evade war you can still war dec the corp that left. While if a member runs to an NPC corp to evade war then comes back that is indeed a bit of unfairly play.
Perhaps the argument comes down to, if that corp left the war, and the corp wanted them to still be subjuct to their agression. Why didn't they take it upon themselves to pay the bill to get the fight continued? Game mechanics supported it.
Me opinions are me and me parrots alone.
The letter of the law and the intent of the law are often confused. In this case the law is a rule of the game.
The intent was to stop players from going agroe on a corp, get a few ganks, then quit the corp to be safe in empire and anywhere else (the old quit a corp so concord ganks the enemy for ya exploit).
How the fsck a GM can be so dense as to not see how this is just a large scale version of that same action is beyond me.
But as I said, go for it! CCP will moonwalk when enough grief is passed out that the subs are dropping. MOF, I just may form a corp to exploit this flawed logic myself.
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Weirda
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.10 22:14:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Olixia Castitatis
Originally by: Ka'Chen Malora
PS: Yes, my main is in Privateer Alliance. 10mil to the one who guesses him.
Le Skunk?
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Fester Addams
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.01.10 22:14:00 -
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As far as I remember the issue on leaving a corp/alliance because of a war was that you are always allowed to leave and you are always allowed to join in however you may not leave so that you can get some safe time and then rejoin when that need for safe time is over.
Ie if you are in a corp that is deced on you may not leave, get your act together by hauling, mining and repositioning yourself and then rejoining.
This was changed as a number of players at war would find themselves trapped in a highsec station and quit their corp, fly to safety and rejoin their old corp once safe.
Fighting in a war should be somthing for dedicated players, the described actions of the corps joining and leaving the Privateer Alliance seems to potentially break this rule while the alliance itself does not.
My sugestion is to keep tabs on what corps are in the alliance and if you find that some corps have put into practice to join, fight some wars and then take a break to restock in safety then petition those corps.
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TheAwakening
Caldari Post-Terran Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2007.01.10 22:22:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Fester Addams
My sugestion is to keep tabs on what corps are in the alliance and if you find that some corps have put into practice to join, fight some wars and then take a break to restock in safety then petition those corps.
Please read the entire thread;
Originally by: Bo Dikka
I got a reply from the GM's to my petition on this subject.
And I hope he won't mind me posting the important line
"This is not considered an exploit"
I have highlighted the important part incase you missed it.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Vanguard Frontiers
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Posted - 2007.01.10 22:54:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Rawk Awn Here's an even better one...
Was patrolling in Rens yesterday and found a PA docked in a station.
So I wait outside for them to undock. They do (eventually), they're showing flashy red wartarget in overview and in local. I proceed to lock and engage only to be CONCORDOKKEN.
The sucker evidently quit their corp right before or as they were undocking.
Judging by this thread, this is the kind of crap tactic that PA wants to be known for. I was looking forward to this war and now I'm just disgusted. **** PA lamers - I'm going to concentrate on the Amarrian Loyalist wars we have now. At least I know I'll get a good fight. The way this is going, PA is going to have one of the worst reputations in the galaxy in pretty short order.
LOL, The funnyist thing I saw for people to escape getting ganked was a couple of pirates in Lowsec back in the days I was in ASCN. They pirated some ASCN member and got chased to a station. To avoid the fury of getting ganked by a group of multi-corp anti-pirates, they would not undock. Then surprisingly, after a bit of time, they undocked to make their getaway...... As newly joined ASCN members!
But getting back to the current Wardec scenario - I think its probebly the best thing I have seen in this game in a long time. there are many genuine reasons why corps would leave an alliance. E.G Disagreements, To conduct business (i.e MC corp leaving alliance to do a contract etc) so I would agree with the GM on this one that it is not an exploit. Let be honest here - This is what eve needs badly. I cannot remember the last time it was so easy to trap a 220km aligned t2 fitted sniperpest ganking people on the gate and other such tactics.
I can only say - Just thank god that Burn Eden are not part of Privateers! --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE |
Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2007.01.10 23:04:00 -
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Lots of in this thread.
The overview thing needs to be fixed though, nothing like someone ninja quitting and still flashing red til you restart eve.
If the same corps are joining/leaving then yeah, maybe something is up there.
Last I checked privateers had a metric ****ton of corps, there are bound to be ones leaving/joining all the time.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.01.10 23:27:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Bo Dikka Ok, this is just trying to get a rules clarification if I can.
The Alliance my main is a member of has been wardecked by The Priveteer Alliance. Now one thing we have noted is that a number of Priveteer Corps appear to be cycling in and out of the Alliance. Is this not an exploit? As it lets them restock and rearm freely while keeping opposition in a constant state of war?
Some clarification would be useful on this issue before we start wasting GM's times with countless petitions. Thanks
In most cases, the groups aren't leaving to avoid the war, they're leaving because they're done with being able to pewpew everything.
The concept behind the aliance is rather interesting, altho some of the actual privateer members...
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Nesa
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.11 01:26:00 -
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I don't see the problem with corps leaving the alliance (they still get the 24hr cooldown on the war)...
I'm sure though the Privateer Alliance is exploiting some un intended game mechanics. (not their fault). Generally war decs have some sort of purpose, to gain profit, extort, disrupt enemies etc. Most of them get cancelled when that's over (or they work out that they are suffering 100:1 losses). In this case, it wouldn't matter how many privateers are killed, or how few of their enemies they kill. The wars keep going and going. Which suggests that a) They're too cheap, or b) It has to run out some time, cause no one can afford to flush that much isk down the toilet forever.
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Nesa
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.11 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia In most cases, the groups aren't leaving to avoid the war, they're leaving because they're done with being able to pewpew everything.
Or because they realise that fighting 500 enemies is fun, cause you can catch one alone, but fighting 5000 means there's a good chance that they will team up and ream you. Even teaming up with their traditional 0.0 enemies.
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