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DrysonBennington
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.27 12:16:41 -
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After years of research and mysterious transmissions by the Circadian Scouts I think I have a basic understanding of how the wormholes are created and can possibly be created artificially.
A theory on the Anomaly - A wormhole is created by creating two points in space time one at Point A, the entry point and Point B the exit point, to cross a large distance in space-time.
To follow along you will need equally reducing sizes of paper. A standard piece of note book paper will work as the first layer. Simply cut the next piece of paper down in size by a 1/8th of an inch on all four corners. Ten sheets of paper should be enough to demonstrate but you can use more if your like. The more you use the better demonstration will be.
Once you have each piece of paper cut to size place an X a half inch from the top and bottom of the first piece of paper. The top of the paper if using notebook paper will not have lines all the way to the top like the bottom will. Next write Point A next to the top X and Point B to the bottom X. Do the same for the remaining pieces of paper that you have. Place an X a half an inch from the top and bottom of each piece and label the top and bottom X the same manner as with the first piece of paper.
Now fold each piece of paper so that two X's match up. Do not crease the paper though. Let the excess hang below the two X's to form a water drop or daisy leaf petal. With a pen, pencil, rod, paper punch or other cylindrical device punch a whole through the center of each X. Do the same with each piece of paper that you made.
What does each piece of paper relate to? Each piece of paper relates to an overall distance being traveled from Point A to Point B. The smaller the piece of paper the less distance is traveled between both points.
Do this twice with two sets of paper. One set will relate to Point A or entering the wormhole and the other set will relate to Point B or exiting the wormhole.
Now that you have both sets created place a pencil or other cylindrical object through the holes you made in both sets.
What does each piece of paper relate to? Each piece of paper relates to an overall distance being traveled from Point A to Point B. The smaller the piece of paper the less distance is traveled between both points.
Now tape the two sets together at the farthest point on the water drop which should be the largest piece of paper.
What does each piece of paper relate to? Each piece of paper relates to an overall distance being traveled from Point A to Point B. The smaller the piece of paper the less distance is traveled between both points.
As you folded each piece of paper you should have noticed that you only had half of the sphere that you need. You will need a third dimension to actually create the sphere because you cannot wormhole travel in only two dimension.
When the paper was first folded there where three points for each piece of paper. The initial Point A and Point B in 2D space and Point AB when folded together. This forms a perfect 60 degree x 3 triangle. With the second set of paper you now have six points in 2D space. In order to make the wormhole actually 3D you need an additional 6 points along the Z coordinate. In order for the sphere to be 3D dimensional you would to create 180 degree arcs from both sets at Points AB residing in the X and Y coordinates as well as the Z coordinates. The Z coordinate arcs being the most important.
This is the point when having a modelling program such as Sketch Up will help you understand the demonstration.
So far we have a sphere with one 360 degree Z arc. If lines are drawn between the Z Arc we would still have 2D space time. So we have to add another Z arc. With each Z arc we are actually creating the sphere itself. When we add our second 360 Z arc between both sets of AB we have what is called a Spacial Layer. Now if we were to divide the Z Arcs up into single degree each and then connected each point on a Z arc to the Z arc to the left or right of it we can see that between each Z arc there be a rectangle created with four triangles located in the rectangle. The top and bottom triangles of the rectangle being larger than the triangles on the sides of the rectangle. The greater the distance between Z arc would represent the greater distance traveled through the wormhole. As we add more and more Z arcs the distance would be reduced as the rectangles would reduced to the eventual size of a square where space time would be equal on sides of the square itself. The outside of the sphere when passing close to it would therefore appear as if the galaxy traveled to was compacted within the sphere itself. This would be because of the almost infinite amount of Z arcs being added to the sphere to in essence create the shortest amount of time and space across each arc.
From the outside the of the sphere the galaxy being traveled to would appear very close and compact within the wormhole. This is because time and space has less distance travel between the Z arcs. As the ship passes through the first Spacial Layer it immediately begins to encounter spacial layers between each Z Arc that are not infinite. Each layer being a distanced traveled too between Point A and Point B. One would think that because each spacial layer is increasing that it would take longer to reach Point B. What is actually happening is that the ship is experiencing an increase in area of the galaxy being traveled to until Point B has been reached where the last spacial layer encountered would be the actual galaxy traveled to as the distance between the Z arc would be at its greatest distance possible or the galaxy itself.
If you were to turn around and look at the Wormhole you would see that where you just came from would seem compacted within the same sphere. |
DrysonBennington
Aliastra Gallente Federation
244
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Posted - 2015.11.27 12:30:58 -
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How to generate the wormhole .
Generating the wormhole would involve using Higgs and Anti-Higgs particles. An Anti-Higgs field would be generated in local space that would remove all of the mass of the particles within the wormhole except for light itself. This is why would be able to see the far away galaxy so clearly. Particles with mass would block and bend the light of the galaxy traveled to because of gravity. With particles not having mass within the wormhole then gravity is not generated. With gravity not being present then when passing through the wormhole the time of travel between Point A and Point B is greatly reduced.
Introducing Higgs particles within the wormhole would thus add more mass to the particles in the wormhole thus causing it to collapse as the light from the galaxy traveled to would effectively be blocked out and bent because of gravity.
If you look at yourself in a mirror from a far distance you are quite small but you are still relative to the location you are standing at. Your smaller version is the location being traveled to. Cancelling out gravity allows you to travel to yourself in the mirror without using any amount of extra fuel until you occupy the same space as your mirrored reflection which is now just as large as you are when you were standing further away. |
DrysonBennington
Aliastra Gallente Federation
244
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Posted - 2015.11.27 12:33:08 -
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If this process is able to be created artificially even on a small scale, Jovian Space could be breached. Not to mention creating a Wormhole Conduit Network that could lead back to Earth.
Objects In Mirror May Be Closer Than They Appear. |
Borsek
Incertae Sedis
345
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Posted - 2015.11.27 13:36:24 -
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Tl;dr.
Also it would be better if we used all that damn paper to wipe ourselves clean. |
Rek Seven
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
2116
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Posted - 2015.11.27 13:40:16 -
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TL;DR
we can already create wormholes via a cyno.
The wishlist is pretty much complete...
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DrysonBennington
Aliastra Gallente Federation
244
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Posted - 2015.11.27 14:32:32 -
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Rek Seven wrote:TL;DR
we can already create wormholes via a cyno.
A cyno is not a wormhole. A Cyno has a definable limitation. A wormhole does not.
If we are able to create artificial wormholes then a cyno could be used to access to W-Space.
Cyno's jump through space-time. A wormhole jumps through and across space-time. |
RcTamiya
SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart.
26
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Posted - 2015.11.27 15:15:12 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:Rek Seven wrote:TL;DR
we can already create wormholes via a cyno. A cyno is not a wormhole. A Cyno has a definable limitation. A wormhole does not. If we are able to create artificial wormholes then a cyno could be used to access to W-Space. Cyno's jump through space-time. A wormhole jumps through and across space-time.
isn't a cyno just a beacon and w-space too far away to reach ? :P |
DrysonBennington
Aliastra Gallente Federation
244
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Posted - 2015.11.27 15:55:48 -
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RcTamiya wrote:DrysonBennington wrote:Rek Seven wrote:TL;DR
we can already create wormholes via a cyno. A cyno is not a wormhole. A Cyno has a definable limitation. A wormhole does not. If we are able to create artificial wormholes then a cyno could be used to access to W-Space. Cyno's jump through space-time. A wormhole jumps through and across space-time. isn't a cyno just a beacon and w-space too far away to reach ? :P
Basically yes. A Cyno is a beacon between two points where the mechanics of a gate are used to jump the ship greater distances than the ship's warp drive is capable of but still less than a gate is capable of.
A wormhole is the bending of space-time where absolute space is entered. Absolute space is space where gravity does not exist at all. All particle mass is non existent. Particle Mass that creates gravity in the first place. Gates and Cyno's still rely on gravity to a point to accelerate the ship to faster than light speed velocities.
I take that back about a wormhole being absolute space as there is still a time dilation that takes place when entering the wormhole. Even if for only a few seconds the transport is not instantaneous unlike absolute space where transport would be instant because there would not be any gravity to slow the forward progress of the transport thus creating time.
In an absolute space wormhole time would not exist as once you breached the absolute wormhole you would already be at the point of your destination. |
DrysonBennington
Aliastra Gallente Federation
244
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Posted - 2015.11.27 17:34:30 -
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Interesting thing happened in Null. A fleet of NPC warped into the area where I was mining and simply vanished. They didn't warp out they simply vanished. A few minutes later they re-appeared in the same location they had vanished from. Either they were using cloaking technology or had used some new type of space-time warping technology.
I would expect this much from Sansha seeing as how they are technologically advanced. |
XODIOS Katelo
Whiskey And Gunpowder
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Posted - 2015.11.28 00:09:09 -
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Came expecting another idiotic wormhole generator thread, was pleasantly surprised. |
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
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Posted - 2015.11.28 00:53:50 -
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I ate a really spicy burrito, and a few hours later, in the toilet, a void of space and time appeared. Was that a wormhole?
~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
1518
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Posted - 2015.11.28 04:16:03 -
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wow what a GREAT idea
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Borsek
Incertae Sedis
345
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Posted - 2015.11.28 13:47:22 -
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Eve is a game,we can't cyno to w-space because that would make nullsec capture certain systems in order to provide themselves with invisible bridges.
Stuff appears and disappeaars, is added and removed ONLY as gameplay features and balancing, and the science behind it doesn't matter. If stuff like logic and common sense mattered, we wouldn't have T2/3 invention that requires new blueprints being made from scratch every time, we'd have free/buyable BPOs for everything. For the sake of balancing, we have these mechanics. OP went too far into the game and reached the base layer, trying to make sense of things that exist purely as game features.
You never go full crystal egghead. |
DrysonBennington
Aliastra Gallente Federation
246
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Posted - 2015.11.28 16:47:43 -
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Borsek wrote:Eve is a game,we can't cyno to w-space because that would make nullsec capture certain systems in order to provide themselves with invisible bridges.
Stuff appears and disappeaars, is added and removed ONLY as gameplay features and balancing, and the science behind it doesn't matter. If stuff like logic and common sense mattered, we wouldn't have T2/3 invention that requires new blueprints being made from scratch every time, we'd have free/buyable BPOs for everything. For the sake of balancing, we have these mechanics. OP went too far into the game and reached the base layer, trying to make sense of things that exist purely as game features.
You never go full crystal egghead.
We can't cyno to W-Space because W-Space because W-Space is to far away for cyno use. If we went to the very edge of New Eden and tried to cyno out of New Eden we wouldn't be able to because there is not a point B to Cyno to. The same is true with Cynoing into W-space. You can have a gate on one side of the wormhole and another just inside the wormhole......then again I'm not quite certain how using gates to jump between through a wormhole would actually work.
In theory both gates would receive and transmit a signal back and forth between each other through the wormhole. But how the interaction between the two forms of energy is unknown.
Possibly a new type of Jump Drive.
"A hotties boobs be like...are those man's hands free? They look lonely and could use some company." |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
2163
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Posted - 2015.12.04 04:20:51 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:Rek Seven wrote:TL;DR
we can already create wormholes via a cyno. A cyno is not a wormhole. A Cyno has a definable limitation. A wormhole does not.
Unless the game has changed a ton in the months since I took a nap (from Eve), wormholes have limitations too. Either way, I only read this hoping to support a wormhole generation/stabilization thread.
+1
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Winthorp
3761
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Posted - 2015.12.04 08:35:37 -
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My crack pipe was empty, i leave fulfilled. |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
2163
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Posted - 2015.12.04 11:28:29 -
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Winthorp wrote:My crack pipe was empty, i leave fulfilled. puff puff pass, brotha...
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
547
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Posted - 2015.12.11 11:53:49 -
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Only Sansha and now Drifters have the technology to make wormholes.
I see no benefits from connecting New Eden to earth again. What if the terrans will see us as hostiles. We wouldn't stand a chance, cause their technology was already heavenly powerful 15000 years when the New Eden wormhole collapsed. Imagine what tech they would pocess day?
Terrans makes the Jove and Drifters look like some kind of idiotic joke |
Trinkets friend
Empty Vessels
2974
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Posted - 2015.12.12 00:06:40 -
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It will all be VW Kombi vans in space and kumbayah JSW assault force
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DrysonBennington
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.12 14:23:38 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:Only Sansha and now Drifters have the technology to make wormholes.
I see no benefits from connecting New Eden to earth again. What if the terrans will see us as hostiles. We wouldn't stand a chance, cause their technology was already heavenly powerful 15000 years when the New Eden wormhole collapsed. Imagine what tech they would pocess day?
Terrans makes the Jove and Drifters look like some kind of idiotic joke
That is if the Terrans no longer exist?
The Drifters are still a mystery in many ways. One thing that seems certain is that their technology far outstrips that available to the Empires and thus every attempt should be made to learn more.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Drifters
Could Drifters possibly be the evolved form of Terran's from Earth? |
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Kalel Nimrott
The Dingus Coalition
1232
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Posted - 2015.12.13 02:46:42 -
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Can you make a video out of this?, language barrier is killing me here.
Bob Artis, you will be missed.
O7
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Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1485
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Posted - 2015.12.13 11:34:58 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:Only Sansha and now Drifters have the technology to make wormholes.
Actually all major factions have the ability and have been doing it for a long time; stargates are just pretty containers to house the wormholes.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Stargate
The Coreli Corporation is recruiting.
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Bronya Boga
Isogen 5
590
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Posted - 2015.12.14 17:01:37 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:I ate a really spicy burrito, and a few hours later, in the toilet, a void of space and time appeared. Was that a wormhole?
I think its a black hole |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1788
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Posted - 2015.12.28 16:05:42 -
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Bronya Boga wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:I ate a really spicy burrito, and a few hours later, in the toilet, a void of space and time appeared. Was that a wormhole? I think its a black hole
More a Critical one. Depends.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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DrysonBennington
Aliastra Gallente Federation
251
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Posted - 2015.12.30 22:06:52 -
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Joshua Foiritain wrote:Celthric Kanerian wrote:Only Sansha and now Drifters have the technology to make wormholes. Actually all major factions have the ability and have been doing it for a long time; stargates are just pretty containers to house the wormholes. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Stargate
Not really but yes.
A stargate allows a ship to cross enormous distances that it would normally not be able to.
A wormhole allows a ship to cross distances that are 1000 times greater.
A new theory on Wormhole Generation.
We know that a wormhole has an opening and an exit which still takes time to pass through. Since gravity flows through time and gravity can be controlled if we were to merge the opening and exit of a wormhole into one location then time dilation might not take place and would allow for gravity from both areas of space time to flow together to merge both regions of a space-time.
But what would happen is uncertain because as the gravity from both regions of space - time comes rushing together like raging rivers the effects would be completely random.
1.Time would simply exist at the same time where the merger took place eventually flowing into each region of space where one time would remain a constant as the flow equalized the gravitational constants of both regions.
2. The gravity merger could in fact open a new wormhole inside of the wormhole to another dimension in space - time one to two Universe or more away from the initial merger location.
3. The merger could result in a time shift causing any variable of results to occur possibly prompting the existence of time travel.
4. The merger could result in an inter-dimensional space time rift causing severe damage to both space times in the regions of space affected.
5. Nothing at all would happen
6. A Colossal Black Hole would form spreading to all known parts of the Universe consuming all energy.
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Kalel Nimrott
The Dingus Coalition
1236
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Posted - 2016.01.01 03:32:59 -
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7. The result may be a Colossal Black Hole that destroys a system, with weird side effects on time and space. Like said destruction showing at the same time in multiple regions of space.
Bob Artis, you will be missed.
O7
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DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
254
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Posted - 2016.01.05 01:26:52 -
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Looking to the Big Bang, the past, for an idea of how to occupy space at the FTL velocities GÇô From a discussion elsewhere GÇô If you reduce the inertial mass of your constituent particles too much, you disintegrate. I assume that the Higgs field does exist within a wormhole but if the vacuum expectation value is different, it might be dangerous to venture within.
According to CERN the particles passing through the Higgs field exist prior to the interact with the Higgs field. Without the Higgs the internal mass of the particles does not exist as the Higgs is the particle that adds mass to the elementary particle called quarks and leptons.
If inertial mass is reduced we wouldnGÇÖt disintegrate we would exist within another dimension of space-time that the quarks and leptons occupy. If the vehicle we were in that was passing through the worm hole emitted a field around it that was directed outwards and reduced the amount of particle mass by reducing the particles to quarks and leptons because of the sudden force being exerted on the field that the internal mass of the occupants would still exist based on the transfer of energy placed upon the field itself.
I can see the process that I am thinking about in my mind but it is hard to explain.
Maybe it be best explained by how a black hole functions. We know that when a star collapses the immense pressure from the layers of the core above the sun fall inwards occupying the space vacated by the core itself as it consumes its last amount of fuel. In this case however we are removing gravity from space as well by removing the mass from the particles within an area around the vehicle. Gravity like the layers the sun would possibly try and occupy the space left behind. The field would continue to reduce the particles of mass while gravity tried to occupy the now vacant space. There would still be a force exerted on the vehicle within though because of the immense amount of gravity trying to occupy the recently vacant space.
In order to travel faster than the speed of light you have to control gravity. Controlling gravity means having the ability to add and remove mass from a particle quickly or slowly in order to generate the necessary gravitational field around the object of transport.
So basically by being able to control gravity we might be able to create a wormhole around a vessel that would then be able to transport the vessel to around 1,000 LY in one jump or maybe even more. |
Kalel Nimrott
The Dingus Coalition
1240
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Posted - 2016.01.05 03:40:05 -
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Ok, everything cool and dandy, but my english is not that good when I try to understand complicated ideas. CAN YOU MAKE A VIDEO OF THIS FOR PLEASE SAKES?
Bob Artis, you will be missed.
O7
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Borsek
Incertae Sedis
357
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Posted - 2016.01.08 11:54:54 -
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I got one, but I'm afraid it involves a lot of men and linking it would probably get me banned. |
Solecist Project
The Scope Gallente Federation
30921
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Posted - 2016.01.08 11:58:38 -
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I'm way too post-last-night to comprehend the initial posts...
RoAnnon wrote:
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
I just scanned for sites and I found a C3
The fleet is now forming, FC wants T3s
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
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