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Esperia Genevra
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.27 23:00:35 -
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Hello ! What we need to do if my friend wanna gift me alt character with 40+m SP ? I mean if we just pay for transfer w/o forum it's can be danger ?ban or smth. Or need create forum post in market with 0 price or w/o price? |
Velarra
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Posted - 2015.11.28 01:48:33 -
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You want to write a petition to CCP, and ask for a formal answer to this question, strictly speaking.
However, in general terms, you don't need to use the forum. It's just a good idea if you don't know the other person too well. In other words if you want to -give- a character or receive a character from your Father, Mother, Brother or Sister, ... people you trust 200% ... you shouldn't -need- to use the forum.
In all other cases? Use the forum. :) |
Esperia Genevra
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.28 06:03:45 -
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Velarra wrote:You want to write a petition to CCP, and ask for a formal answer to this question, strictly speaking.
However, in general terms, you don't need to use the forum. It's just a good idea if you don't know the other person too well. In other words if you want to -give- a character or receive a character from your Father, Mother, Brother or Sister, ... people you trust 200% ... you shouldn't -need- to use the forum.
In all other cases? Use the forum. :) Ty |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2015.11.28 14:44:19 -
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Velarra wrote:You want to write a petition to CCP, and ask for a formal answer to this question, strictly speaking.
However, in general terms, you don't need to use the forum. It's just a good idea if you don't know the other person too well. In other words if you want to -give- a character or receive a character from your Father, Mother, Brother or Sister, ... people you trust 200% ... you shouldn't -need- to use the forum.
In all other cases? Use the forum. :)
If it's a private trade, you don't need to petition CCP - all you need to do is post in the character bazaar forum, outlining that you are transferring the character to someone else for free - but I'd still put whatever else you have to mention from the rules in the post, just to be safe
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.11.28 16:20:41 -
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Bumblefck wrote:Velarra wrote:You want to write a petition to CCP, and ask for a formal answer to this question, strictly speaking.
However, in general terms, you don't need to use the forum. It's just a good idea if you don't know the other person too well. In other words if you want to -give- a character or receive a character from your Father, Mother, Brother or Sister, ... people you trust 200% ... you shouldn't -need- to use the forum.
In all other cases? Use the forum. :) If it's a private trade, you don't need to petition CCP - all you need to do is post in the character bazaar forum, outlining that you are transferring the character to someone else for free - but I'd still put whatever else you have to mention from the rules in the post, just to be safe People selling characters for RL cash is something that CCP keeps an eye on. In a petition there can be more private information sent that you would not want on the forums. I think the OP would be well served by filing a petition and getting a GMs ok on it or answer some questions that the GM has. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2015.11.28 16:39:35 -
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Yes, you're right - I didn't see that part. My advice would be to just put it on the forum as a private trade, and leave it at that.
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.11.28 17:24:21 -
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Actually the character bazaar is one way but you do not even have to go that way.
A friend transferred one of his characters to my account recently using this method.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Character_Transfer
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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance
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Posted - 2015.11.29 16:43:46 -
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Just to clarify if you read that page (and any other one on the subject) it quite clearly States characters being xfered between two people must use the bazaar. I have done this by posting a private sale thread
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.11.29 21:20:31 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Just to clarify if you read that page (and any other one on the subject) it quite clearly States characters being xfered between two people must use the bazaar. I have done this by posting a private sale thread No where on the linked page does it state that you MUST use thee character bazaar. In fact the entire transaction can be done from the account management page of the account that currently holds the character to be transferred.
The character bazaar was set up to allow a player to sell a character on an open market to whoever wants to buy it. Again while it can be used to transfer characters between accounts it's use is not required if the conditions set forth in the page linked above are met and the process as outlined on that page is followed. |
Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance
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Posted - 2015.11.29 21:55:18 -
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Donnachadh wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Just to clarify if you read that page (and any other one on the subject) it quite clearly States characters being xfered between two people must use the bazaar. I have done this by posting a private sale thread No where on the linked page does it state that you MUST use thee character bazaar. In fact the entire transaction can be done from the account management page of the account that currently holds the character to be transferred. The character bazaar was set up to allow a player to sell a character on an open market to whoever wants to buy it. Again while it can be used to transfer characters between accounts it's use is not required if the conditions set forth in the page linked above are met and the process as outlined on that page is followed.
Quote:. make sure that it is done in accordance to the Character Bazaar rules. Please note that using this service is the only legal way of giving another person access and control over your character.
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.11.29 22:15:14 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Donnachadh wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Just to clarify if you read that page (and any other one on the subject) it quite clearly States characters being xfered between two people must use the bazaar. I have done this by posting a private sale thread No where on the linked page does it state that you MUST use thee character bazaar. In fact the entire transaction can be done from the account management page of the account that currently holds the character to be transferred. The character bazaar was set up to allow a player to sell a character on an open market to whoever wants to buy it. Again while it can be used to transfer characters between accounts it's use is not required if the conditions set forth in the page linked above are met and the process as outlined on that page is followed. Quote:. make sure that it is done in accordance to the Character Bazaar rules. Please note that using this service is the only legal way of giving another person access and control over your character. Did you have a point to make. Since you seem to doubt I direct you to the "Services" menu of the account management page. The second item in that menu is "Transfer Character" Selecting this menu option allows you to enter the information for the account you want to transfer the character to. If the character bazaar was the only "legal" way to transfer a character why does CCP provide us with this direct transfer option? |
Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance
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Posted - 2015.11.29 22:26:15 -
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Not sure if trolling... you realize I'm quoting the page you linked right...
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2015.11.30 11:20:39 -
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Donnachadh wrote:Did you have a point to make. Since you seem to doubt I direct you to the "Services" menu of the account management page. The second item in that menu is "Transfer Character" Selecting this menu option allows you to enter the information for the account you want to transfer the character to. If the character bazaar was the only "legal" way to transfer a character why does CCP provide us with this direct transfer option?
The actual transfer is initiated through Services -> Transfer Character; the Character Bazaar is just a forum that can't really do anything other than advertise intentions.
The point is that the OP wants to transfer a character for free, and this will raise warnings with CCP, so people are advising that a petition be created, or at the very least a forum post be made, to give them a heads-up that this is not RMT.
Because, if the OP does what you're suggesting (just go through Services -> Transfer Character with no other communication with CCP), CCP will return the favor and go through GM Tools -> Permaban Account with no other communication with the OP.
Truth be told, even a petition may not be sufficient.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2015.11.30 12:33:19 -
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Donnachadh wrote:Did you have a point to make. Since you seem to doubt I direct you to the "Services" menu of the account management page. The second item in that menu is "Transfer Character" Selecting this menu option allows you to enter the information for the account you want to transfer the character to. If the character bazaar was the only "legal" way to transfer a character why does CCP provide us with this direct transfer option?
How can you be so obtuse?
As others have said, the option in Services is the mechanism that you use to actually initiate the transfer *after* the guidelines for transferring characters have been followed - after all, why would you see 'Private Sale' threads in the Character Bazaar forum if you didn't have to post there?
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.11.30 15:34:22 -
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From the linked page this is the important part that most or you are missing. the emphasis on a section of this is mine.
"Also, if you are buying or selling a character for ISK, make sure that it is done in accordance to the Character Bazaar rules."
Notice that it specifically states if you are "buying or selling a character for ISK" then it must be done in accordance with the rules of the character bazaar. So that brings us back to the OP and here it is so you do have to waste time to go back and look for yourself.
Esperia Genevra wrote:Hello ! What we need to do if my friend wanna gift me alt character with 40+m SP ? I mean if we just pay for transfer w/o forum it's can be danger ?ban or smth. Or need create forum post in market with 0 price or w/o price? There is no mention in this of "selling" or "buying" the character, in fact the OP is extremely clear that the character will be a GIFT. Since the character will be a GIFT and no ISK will change hands then the character bazaar is optional BUT NOT REQUIRED.
I suggest that all of you return to your character skills sheets and Que up reading comprehension to at least level 3 before you make comments on how someone may be "obtuse". |
Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance
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Posted - 2015.11.30 18:02:11 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote: make sure that it is done in accordance to the Character Bazaar rules. Please note that using this service is the only legal way of giving another person access and control over your character. Underlined the part that makes your opinion on the matter invalid. Please stop giving advice before you read the rules... to clarify for those confused it does talk about selling in the line you mention. Then it added that line I am quoting to the end of the article to say well its also the only way to give a character away for isk or anything. If your trolling please go to crime and punishment where we love trolling and isd even troll us while locking our threads :-D
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Cara Forelli
Meticulously Indifferent
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Posted - 2015.11.30 18:32:17 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Please note that using this service is the only legal way of giving another person access and control over your character. That line is referring to the character transfer service, not the character bazaar. Nothing on that page says the character bazaar needs to be used for gifted characters. You are just confusing the issue.
OP, if you aren't sure, it never hurts to make a petition.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2015.11.30 22:51:31 -
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The purpose of the two posts, one from both parties involved, is so that there is a record of the transaction.
If your friend changes their mind, and there is no record, CCP could reclaim the character and ban you for account hacking. |
Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Rabble Alliance
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Posted - 2015.12.01 12:14:17 -
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Not to mention to show everybody it's not the original owner playing on it
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.12.01 13:29:57 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Noragen Neirfallas wrote: make sure that it is done in accordance to the Character Bazaar rules. Please note that using this service is the only legal way of giving another person access and control over your character. Underlined the part that makes your opinion on the matter invalid. Please stop giving advice before you read the rules... to clarify for those confused it does talk about selling in the line you mention. Then it added that line I am quoting to the end of the article to say well its also the only way to give a character away for isk or anything. If your trolling please go to crime and punishment where we love trolling and isd even troll us while locking our threads :-D Taking things out of context does not support your claim. The ONLY legal way for a player to transfer a character is from your account management page, and it is this fact that the line you quote refers to. I direct you to the fact that it is stated as a separate paragraph which is in the context of the linked page the proper way in the English language of separating 2 pieces of information that are related but not dependent on each other.
Again you can use the character bazaar and Tau Cabalander gives us a valid reason to do so. But using the character bazaar is not required to gift a character to another player.
Using the character bazaar IS required if you are trying to sell a character or trying to buy a character. |
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