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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.02 11:33:48 -
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Because I trained Caldari Cruiser skill to V to be able to fly Tengu now I can train T2 Caldari cruisers quite quickly. However I am not sure which T2 cruiser class would be the best for me:
- HAC: Cerberus, Eagle - HIC: Onyx - force & combat recons: Falcon, Rook - logistics: Basilisk
I'd like to try high-sec combat exploration, low-sec PvP and maybe null-sec solo gate-camping. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
1972
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Posted - 2015.12.02 11:34:58 -
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Rapid Light Rook
Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic | Angel Cartel | Serpentis |
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2015.12.02 11:41:59 -
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A HAM or RLML Rook is really good, you don't fit cancer just go a full tank/tackle fit. It's surprisingly good.
Eagle is largely a fleet ship, not good for Solo but good when it's numbers are in the multiple. Brave had rather good luck with it.
Cerb is a good solo boat, Heavies work really well with it as a kitter. RLML tear frigs apart and you can fit a X-L ASB with it.
Onyx can fit a HUUUGE tank. Like a Stupid tank. So it RLML fitting with an overtank, makes it good for small gang fighting.
Basilisk is again largely a fleet ship, just like the Guardian is.
But I would for sure check out the Rook if I was you,
#DeleteTheWeak
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.12.02 11:42:22 -
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Rook? What usage? |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
1973
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Posted - 2015.12.02 11:43:27 -
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all the usage!
I quite like the eagle aswell, rails on an eagle get some good range, good for gatecamping and shooting stuff from outside bubbles, rook is just a cool all around ships, good dps, decent tank, can fit ecm if you are doing solo camping, doesnt appear on dscan :)
Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic | Angel Cartel | Serpentis |
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Valkin Mordirc
1712
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Posted - 2015.12.02 11:46:54 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuT7GYE1sdo
Do this ^
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Liam Inkuras
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
1623
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Posted - 2015.12.02 18:13:10 -
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Solo gatecamp with RLML Onyx after the December patch
I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.12.02 18:20:03 -
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Why only after December patch? |
Paranoid Loyd
7565
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Posted - 2015.12.02 19:15:43 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:Why only after December patch? He didn't say only. Have at it now if you want.
Watch F&I for upcoming changes. This thread is what he is talking about.
In particular this:
CCP Larrikin wrote:Scripted Warp Disruption Field Generators now Scramble, disabling MJDs and MWDs
You really can't go wrong training the first few levels of all of them and then deciding what you like best or which ship fills the role you utilize most, then focusing further.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
2121
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Posted - 2015.12.02 20:20:30 -
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the hic, as people already said, it will be stupid come December patch. Recon + hac bonuses combined into one. Yea I'd go for that
@ChainsawPlankto
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.12.03 19:41:31 -
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I do not understand. Is that mean nullified Tengu will be scrambled by scripted Hictor after patch?
Anyway I will train Onyx after completing T2 autocannons horrible training... |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1148
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Posted - 2015.12.03 19:56:10 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:I do not understand. Is that mean nullified Tengu will be scrambled by scripted Hictor after patch?
Anyway I will train Onyx after completing T2 autocannons horrible training...also good replacement of nerfed Gila in high-sec DED sites, IMO.
No, it means the infinipoint now acts like a scrambler instead of a disruptor where MJD and MWD are concerned.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.12.03 20:21:17 -
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OK. Yet after new patch if for instance cov-ops frigate is tackled by hictor's bubble, it cannot escape outside the bubble using MWD? |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.12.03 20:46:34 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:OK. Yet after new patch if for instance cov-ops frigate is tackled by hictor's bubble, it cannot escape outside the bubble using MWD? No
CCP Larrikin wrote:Scripted Warp Disruption Field Generators now Scramble, disabling MJDs and MWDs
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2000
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Posted - 2015.12.03 21:47:49 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Altair Taurus wrote:OK. Yet after new patch if for instance cov-ops frigate is tackled by hictor's bubble, it cannot escape outside the bubble using MWD? No CCP Larrikin wrote:Scripted Warp Disruption Field Generators now Scramble, disabling MJDs and MWDs
YES ITS A GATECAMPING DREAM!!!
Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic | Angel Cartel | Serpentis |
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.12.03 22:36:23 -
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What is difference between scripted and unscripted WDFG? |
Paranoid Loyd
7577
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Posted - 2015.12.03 22:38:49 -
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At this point man, it's time to do your own research. We've given more than enough information. This is not hand holding.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.12.03 22:49:12 -
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OK, I did my research:
Quote:Heavy InterdictorsHeavy Interdictors (HICs), on the other hand, are based on a cruiser hull and can be fitted to have a formidable tank. They receive a specific role bonus that allows them to fit the Warp Disruption Field Generator module in a highslot. This module provides a warp disruption sphere of up to a 20km radius (or up to 24km for T2 modules) depending on pilotGÇÖs skills that lasts as long as the module is active (cycle time of 20 seconds). The sphere is mobile around the center point of the Heavy Interdictor itself. This gives the pilot more flexibility in being able to move the bubble as the engagement progresses, to either catch or further entrap a ship in its area of effect. However, it can be activated to form a bubble only in 0.0 space.In addition, the Warp Disrupetion Field Generator can be equipped with an 'infinite scramble strength' script. When loaded, this script causes the module to act in the same manner of a Warp Disruptor in that the HIC needs to have a ship targeted before the disruptor can be focused on that target. Unlike a warp disruptor, however, it delivers infinite amount of disruption points as opposed to just one, and cannot be negated by any number of Warp Core Stabilizers. It is also the only module that can prevent super-capital ships, such as Motherships or Titans, from warping away. While super-capitals are immune to EWAR, they are not immune to the Warp Disruption Field Generator of a Heavy Interdictor. This script can be used in empire space (bubbles of any type, HIC, probe or anchorable can only be deployed in nullsec). When scripted, the module has a range of up to 30km for the T1 variant, or 36 km for T2, again depending on the Heavy Interdictor skill level.The activation of Warp Disruption Field Generator also causes some unusual side-effects:
- Your shipGÇÖs mass is greatly reduced, making it highly maneuverable, but also very susceptible to being bumped out of position.
- The effects of any propulsion module (AB, MWD) are reduced to approximately 10% of the normally applied speed boost.
- The HIC is unable to receive any projected effects, e.g. remote shield, armour, or energy transfer.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.12.12 16:10:45 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:At this point man, it's time to do your own research. We've given more than enough information. This is not hand holding.
If people are willing to answer there is no issue some people are just bad at tagging walls of text to get what they need or bad at knowing what terns to search for in Google
The difference between a wdfg when it is scripted is it is no longer a bubble but rather a long range high slot scram that eata a bunch of cap. They can also be used outside of null
Fuel block colors? Missiles for Caldari T3? Corp Stasis
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Paranoid Loyd
7695
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Posted - 2015.12.12 16:48:09 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:At this point man, it's time to do your own research. We've given more than enough information. This is not hand holding. If people are willing to answer there is no issue some people are just bad at tagging walls of text to get what they need or bad at knowing what terns to search for in Google The difference between a wdfg when it is scripted is it is no longer a bubble but rather a long range high slot scram that eata a bunch of cap. They can also be used outside of null The information he posted above is considerably better and more detailed than your answer. Then theres the whole teach a man to fish thing but if you want to hold his hand, instead of letting him learn himslef go ahead.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
289
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Posted - 2015.12.14 03:51:28 -
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Train them all as they're all very good in their own way. If you're going into null for exploration then I'd train for the Onyx first if I were you then the Rook. |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.15 00:39:39 -
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Do you mean combat exploration in Onyx or hunting explorers in sites? Anyway in three days I will finish Missile Bombardment V training and start next round of training: Onyx, Rook or Ares... |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
289
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Posted - 2015.12.16 02:34:13 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:Do you mean combat exploration in Onyx or hunting explorers in sites? Anyway in three days I will finish Missile Bombardment V training and start next round of training: Onyx, Rook or Ares...
The Onyx can do both or you can mount a 1k dps passive shield tank on it if you just want to survive while doing the sites. I'm personally training 2 alts to fly it atm for that purpose.
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DTBA Fonulique
0rizen Irregulars Sev3rance
2
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Posted - 2015.12.16 08:18:34 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Altair Taurus wrote:Do you mean combat exploration in Onyx or hunting explorers in sites? Anyway in three days I will finish Missile Bombardment V training and start next round of training: Onyx, Rook or Ares... The Onyx can do both or you can mount a 1k dps passive shield tank on it if you just want to survive while doing the sites. I'm personally training 2 alts to fly it atm for that purpose. Do you mind sharing the 1k passive shield tank fit?
I am just wondering how it is fit |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.17 23:52:25 -
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OK! I've just started 21 days long Onyx training. Let's hope this ship will be more suited for high-sec combat exploration than nerfed Gila and Cerberus and also more usable and fun to fly in low and null sec than Tengu and Astero! |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2015.12.20 20:31:31 -
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I have compiled interesting Onyx fit for high-sec combat exploration:
[Onyx, High-sec combat exploration] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Gist B-Type Large Shield Booster Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script Cap Recharger II 10MN Afterburner II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Core Probe Launcher II, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
All level V stats: 615 dmg/31.2 km (Rage HAMs) & 410 dps/56 km (Javelin HAMs), 1137 dps tank against Guristas & cap stable, overall cost - 475 mil. ISK |
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
35
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Posted - 2015.12.20 21:28:00 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:I have compiled interesting Onyx fit for high-sec combat exploration:
On second thought, what this boy can do that Gila can't? |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2015.12.20 22:27:01 -
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Simply I need all-in-one solution: high sec exploration & low-null sec PvP activity ship. Their price was similar before Gila's price drop due to nerf. Yet Onyx additionally offers those crazy bubbles & infinite-point/MWD shut down abilities! Besides after flying Tengu I am more inclined towards missiles than a bit ridiculously overpowered medium drones. To be honest a year ago I flew Gila and Stratios too but I switched to Tengu and now to Onyx. |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2015.12.20 22:41:23 -
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BTW - could you tell me what Rook's bonus to not being seen on D-scan without capability to fit cover-ops cloaking device really means??? |
Valkin Mordirc
1749
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Posted - 2015.12.21 06:06:31 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:BTW - could you tell me what Rook not being seen on D-scan without capability to fit cover-ops cloaking device really means???
It's really only limited to your imagination. But you could hide in FW complexes with a friend they would only your friend not the recon thats with him, you can sit off grid near a gate and surprise mofloackes, you can basically be the hard tackle in Wspace. Since no local and no scan makes basically invisible to wormholers.
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