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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.02 11:33:48 -
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Because I trained Caldari Cruiser skill to V to be able to fly Tengu now I can train T2 Caldari cruisers quite quickly. However I am not sure which T2 cruiser class would be the best for me:
- HAC: Cerberus, Eagle - HIC: Onyx - force & combat recons: Falcon, Rook - logistics: Basilisk
I'd like to try high-sec combat exploration, low-sec PvP and maybe null-sec solo gate-camping. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
1972
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Posted - 2015.12.02 11:34:58 -
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Rapid Light Rook
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Valkin Mordirc
1712
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Posted - 2015.12.02 11:41:59 -
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A HAM or RLML Rook is really good, you don't fit cancer just go a full tank/tackle fit. It's surprisingly good.
Eagle is largely a fleet ship, not good for Solo but good when it's numbers are in the multiple. Brave had rather good luck with it.
Cerb is a good solo boat, Heavies work really well with it as a kitter. RLML tear frigs apart and you can fit a X-L ASB with it.
Onyx can fit a HUUUGE tank. Like a Stupid tank. So it RLML fitting with an overtank, makes it good for small gang fighting.
Basilisk is again largely a fleet ship, just like the Guardian is.
But I would for sure check out the Rook if I was you,
#DeleteTheWeak
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.12.02 11:42:22 -
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Rook? What usage? |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
1973
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Posted - 2015.12.02 11:43:27 -
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all the usage!
I quite like the eagle aswell, rails on an eagle get some good range, good for gatecamping and shooting stuff from outside bubbles, rook is just a cool all around ships, good dps, decent tank, can fit ecm if you are doing solo camping, doesnt appear on dscan :)
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Valkin Mordirc
1712
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Posted - 2015.12.02 11:46:54 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuT7GYE1sdo
Do this ^
#DeleteTheWeak
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Liam Inkuras
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
1623
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Posted - 2015.12.02 18:13:10 -
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Solo gatecamp with RLML Onyx after the December patch
I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.12.02 18:20:03 -
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Why only after December patch? |
Paranoid Loyd
7565
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Posted - 2015.12.02 19:15:43 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:Why only after December patch? He didn't say only. Have at it now if you want.
Watch F&I for upcoming changes. This thread is what he is talking about.
In particular this:
CCP Larrikin wrote:Scripted Warp Disruption Field Generators now Scramble, disabling MJDs and MWDs
You really can't go wrong training the first few levels of all of them and then deciding what you like best or which ship fills the role you utilize most, then focusing further.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
2121
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Posted - 2015.12.02 20:20:30 -
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the hic, as people already said, it will be stupid come December patch. Recon + hac bonuses combined into one. Yea I'd go for that
@ChainsawPlankto
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.12.03 19:41:31 -
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I do not understand. Is that mean nullified Tengu will be scrambled by scripted Hictor after patch?
Anyway I will train Onyx after completing T2 autocannons horrible training... |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1148
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Posted - 2015.12.03 19:56:10 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:I do not understand. Is that mean nullified Tengu will be scrambled by scripted Hictor after patch?
Anyway I will train Onyx after completing T2 autocannons horrible training...also good replacement of nerfed Gila in high-sec DED sites, IMO.
No, it means the infinipoint now acts like a scrambler instead of a disruptor where MJD and MWD are concerned.
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.12.03 20:21:17 -
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OK. Yet after new patch if for instance cov-ops frigate is tackled by hictor's bubble, it cannot escape outside the bubble using MWD? |
Paranoid Loyd
7575
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Posted - 2015.12.03 20:46:34 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:OK. Yet after new patch if for instance cov-ops frigate is tackled by hictor's bubble, it cannot escape outside the bubble using MWD? No
CCP Larrikin wrote:Scripted Warp Disruption Field Generators now Scramble, disabling MJDs and MWDs
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2000
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Posted - 2015.12.03 21:47:49 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Altair Taurus wrote:OK. Yet after new patch if for instance cov-ops frigate is tackled by hictor's bubble, it cannot escape outside the bubble using MWD? No CCP Larrikin wrote:Scripted Warp Disruption Field Generators now Scramble, disabling MJDs and MWDs
YES ITS A GATECAMPING DREAM!!!
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.12.03 22:36:23 -
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What is difference between scripted and unscripted WDFG? |
Paranoid Loyd
7577
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Posted - 2015.12.03 22:38:49 -
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At this point man, it's time to do your own research. We've given more than enough information. This is not hand holding.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2015.12.03 22:49:12 -
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OK, I did my research:
Quote:Heavy InterdictorsHeavy Interdictors (HICs), on the other hand, are based on a cruiser hull and can be fitted to have a formidable tank. They receive a specific role bonus that allows them to fit the Warp Disruption Field Generator module in a highslot. This module provides a warp disruption sphere of up to a 20km radius (or up to 24km for T2 modules) depending on pilotGÇÖs skills that lasts as long as the module is active (cycle time of 20 seconds). The sphere is mobile around the center point of the Heavy Interdictor itself. This gives the pilot more flexibility in being able to move the bubble as the engagement progresses, to either catch or further entrap a ship in its area of effect. However, it can be activated to form a bubble only in 0.0 space.In addition, the Warp Disrupetion Field Generator can be equipped with an 'infinite scramble strength' script. When loaded, this script causes the module to act in the same manner of a Warp Disruptor in that the HIC needs to have a ship targeted before the disruptor can be focused on that target. Unlike a warp disruptor, however, it delivers infinite amount of disruption points as opposed to just one, and cannot be negated by any number of Warp Core Stabilizers. It is also the only module that can prevent super-capital ships, such as Motherships or Titans, from warping away. While super-capitals are immune to EWAR, they are not immune to the Warp Disruption Field Generator of a Heavy Interdictor. This script can be used in empire space (bubbles of any type, HIC, probe or anchorable can only be deployed in nullsec). When scripted, the module has a range of up to 30km for the T1 variant, or 36 km for T2, again depending on the Heavy Interdictor skill level.The activation of Warp Disruption Field Generator also causes some unusual side-effects:
- Your shipGÇÖs mass is greatly reduced, making it highly maneuverable, but also very susceptible to being bumped out of position.
- The effects of any propulsion module (AB, MWD) are reduced to approximately 10% of the normally applied speed boost.
- The HIC is unable to receive any projected effects, e.g. remote shield, armour, or energy transfer.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
1336
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Posted - 2015.12.12 16:10:45 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:At this point man, it's time to do your own research. We've given more than enough information. This is not hand holding.
If people are willing to answer there is no issue some people are just bad at tagging walls of text to get what they need or bad at knowing what terns to search for in Google
The difference between a wdfg when it is scripted is it is no longer a bubble but rather a long range high slot scram that eata a bunch of cap. They can also be used outside of null
Fuel block colors? Missiles for Caldari T3? Corp Stasis
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Paranoid Loyd
7695
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Posted - 2015.12.12 16:48:09 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:At this point man, it's time to do your own research. We've given more than enough information. This is not hand holding. If people are willing to answer there is no issue some people are just bad at tagging walls of text to get what they need or bad at knowing what terns to search for in Google The difference between a wdfg when it is scripted is it is no longer a bubble but rather a long range high slot scram that eata a bunch of cap. They can also be used outside of null The information he posted above is considerably better and more detailed than your answer. Then theres the whole teach a man to fish thing but if you want to hold his hand, instead of letting him learn himslef go ahead.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
289
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Posted - 2015.12.14 03:51:28 -
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Train them all as they're all very good in their own way. If you're going into null for exploration then I'd train for the Onyx first if I were you then the Rook. |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2015.12.15 00:39:39 -
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Do you mean combat exploration in Onyx or hunting explorers in sites? Anyway in three days I will finish Missile Bombardment V training and start next round of training: Onyx, Rook or Ares... |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
289
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Posted - 2015.12.16 02:34:13 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:Do you mean combat exploration in Onyx or hunting explorers in sites? Anyway in three days I will finish Missile Bombardment V training and start next round of training: Onyx, Rook or Ares...
The Onyx can do both or you can mount a 1k dps passive shield tank on it if you just want to survive while doing the sites. I'm personally training 2 alts to fly it atm for that purpose.
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DTBA Fonulique
0rizen Irregulars Sev3rance
2
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Posted - 2015.12.16 08:18:34 -
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Daniela Doran wrote:Altair Taurus wrote:Do you mean combat exploration in Onyx or hunting explorers in sites? Anyway in three days I will finish Missile Bombardment V training and start next round of training: Onyx, Rook or Ares... The Onyx can do both or you can mount a 1k dps passive shield tank on it if you just want to survive while doing the sites. I'm personally training 2 alts to fly it atm for that purpose. Do you mind sharing the 1k passive shield tank fit?
I am just wondering how it is fit |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2015.12.17 23:52:25 -
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OK! I've just started 21 days long Onyx training. Let's hope this ship will be more suited for high-sec combat exploration than nerfed Gila and Cerberus and also more usable and fun to fly in low and null sec than Tengu and Astero! |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2015.12.20 20:31:31 -
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I have compiled interesting Onyx fit for high-sec combat exploration:
[Onyx, High-sec combat exploration] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Gist B-Type Large Shield Booster Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Pithum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Range Script Cap Recharger II 10MN Afterburner II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile Core Probe Launcher II, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
All level V stats: 615 dmg/31.2 km (Rage HAMs) & 410 dps/56 km (Javelin HAMs), 1137 dps tank against Guristas & cap stable, overall cost - 475 mil. ISK |
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
35
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Posted - 2015.12.20 21:28:00 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:I have compiled interesting Onyx fit for high-sec combat exploration:
On second thought, what this boy can do that Gila can't? |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2015.12.20 22:27:01 -
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Simply I need all-in-one solution: high sec exploration & low-null sec PvP activity ship. Their price was similar before Gila's price drop due to nerf. Yet Onyx additionally offers those crazy bubbles & infinite-point/MWD shut down abilities! Besides after flying Tengu I am more inclined towards missiles than a bit ridiculously overpowered medium drones. To be honest a year ago I flew Gila and Stratios too but I switched to Tengu and now to Onyx. |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2015.12.20 22:41:23 -
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BTW - could you tell me what Rook's bonus to not being seen on D-scan without capability to fit cover-ops cloaking device really means??? |
Valkin Mordirc
1749
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Posted - 2015.12.21 06:06:31 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:BTW - could you tell me what Rook not being seen on D-scan without capability to fit cover-ops cloaking device really means???
It's really only limited to your imagination. But you could hide in FW complexes with a friend they would only your friend not the recon thats with him, you can sit off grid near a gate and surprise mofloackes, you can basically be the hard tackle in Wspace. Since no local and no scan makes basically invisible to wormholers.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2145
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Posted - 2015.12.21 10:27:08 -
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not being seen on dscan makes a rook the perfect hunter and with 450dps at its disposal, anything sitting at 0 on a beacon is going to have a bad day
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Zero Conscience
DPS-K
5
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Posted - 2015.12.21 10:34:21 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:OK! I've just started 21 days long Onyx training. Let's hope this ship will be more suited for high-sec combat exploration than nerfed Gila and Cerberus
This almost made me laugh out loud and im very depressed right now :P |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2015.12.21 13:11:32 -
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That interesting! Rook as cloacky ship without cloak. I'll train Rook right after Onyx. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2147
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Posted - 2015.12.21 13:16:34 -
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rook isnt cloaky, it cant fit a cov ops cloak anyway
Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic | Angel Cartel | Serpentis |
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2015.12.21 17:45:06 -
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I know but it cannot be detected by D-Scan like cloacked ships. However Rook can be combat probed. |
Xombo Cadel
Narrowbase Excavation and Consulting
1
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Posted - 2015.12.22 19:17:27 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:Simply I need all-in-one solution: high sec exploration & low-null sec PvP activity ship.
What am I reading |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
9850
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Posted - 2015.12.22 19:53:35 -
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Xombo Cadel wrote:Altair Taurus wrote:Simply I need all-in-one solution: high sec exploration & low-null sec PvP activity ship. What am I reading
The product of ten Red Bulls and a thesaurus from the Dimension of Zor
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
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elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
981
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Posted - 2015.12.23 01:47:44 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:A HAM or RLML Rook is really good, you don't fit cancer just go a full tank/tackle fit. It's surprisingly good.
Eagle is largely a fleet ship, not good for Solo ...- valid points-...,
And what about a blaster-kite Eagle with an active tank?
Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike.
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Ace Lapointe
Duty. Mighty Wings.
13
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Posted - 2015.12.23 04:17:20 -
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The Gila isn't bad.. And the Onyx isn't an all in one solution to Low Sec and High Sec exploration, why do you think it would be good in Low Sec? |
elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
984
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Posted - 2015.12.23 11:26:11 -
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Ace Lapointe wrote:The Gila isn't bad.. And the Onyx isn't an all in one solution to Low Sec and High Sec exploration, why do you think it would be good in Low Sec?
But he asked for t2. Pirate is > t2.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2191
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Posted - 2015.12.23 11:27:35 -
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why would someone use an onyx for exploration?
Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic | Angel Cartel | Serpentis |
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2015.12.23 15:53:52 -
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Gosh! Look at YouTube Johnny Pew's videos. He successfully ran low sec DED sites in Rook. Do you think Onyx cannot run such a sites? Of course it can. If so, Onyx can also run high sec DED sites. Moreover Onyx is allowed to enter all DED sites except 1-2/10 DEDs unlike Tengu banned from high sec plexes entirely. On the other hand Onyx is very good PvP ship in low (infini-point) and null sec (bubbles). Hictors are an ultimate tackling platforms in EVE after all. |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2016.01.09 01:20:48 -
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Well, because my Onyx is only hours away I'd like to ask whether I should fit passive or buffer shield tank for solo gate-camping and PvP?
Anyway at first I will run some level 3 missions in Onyx! |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2016.01.09 14:45:10 -
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Another question: Should I train T2 Warp Disruption Field Generator? As I can see range gains are not so amazing:
- bubble radius - 2.4 km larger - infinipoint range - 3.6 km more
assuming HIC skill trained to level IV in both cases. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
17309
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Posted - 2016.01.09 19:24:44 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:Another question: Should I train T2 Warp Disruption Field Generator? As I can see range gains are not so amazing:
- bubble radius - 2.4 km larger - infinipoint range - 3.6 km more
assuming HIC skill trained to level IV in both cases.
If you plan to use a HIC for PvP, then that's like asking if you should train T2 guns for a HAC.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2016.01.09 22:03:18 -
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I asked because of opinions raised in this thread - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=454076&p=2
Anyway I did some unrated and DED 3/10 Gurista plexes in Onyx. It works like a charm! Well, I must wait two weeks to train T2 WDFG and then start some PvP in low-sec. Yet maybe before T2 WDFG training I will train Rook & Falcon in ten days because I should revamp my attributes soon. At all events that's my January's training plan! |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2016.01.15 00:12:54 -
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OK! Now it's time to acquire Rook and Falcon in ten days! |
Abby Silverwind
Demonic Retribution The Initiative.
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Posted - 2016.01.15 01:00:55 -
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tengu mate
Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil,
for you are with me;
Your rod and your staff,
they comfort me.
Drunk Posting
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Jace Varus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2016.01.15 01:08:29 -
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Abby Silverwind wrote:tengu mate
yep
Also, responding to a few comments up, you should use just 1 shield power relay, or replace it for a damage control. Once you add more than 3 ballistic control systems, the damage increase is very bad. |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2016.01.15 15:55:28 -
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Guys! I can fly Tengu since a year! That's completely different story.
Here I wanted to get into T2 Caldari cruisers and Onyx training was a great move to achieve this. Now this family of ships is open to me. Also some other T2 ship classes are not far away like Interdictors (11 days long training time). I am happy because now I am about to fly many T2 ships and I think flying T2 ships is a sign of player's maturity in EVE.
Jace Varus: You are right but in hi-sec combat sites this is unnecessary because about 500 dps passive tank against Serpentis/Guristas my Onyx currently has is more than enough to run them so I prefer slightly more gank.
Anyway HIC IV training is over so now I can reach 21.4/32 km bubble radius/point range with meta WDFG. I think about buying faction WDFG because their price probably is beginning to drop. In that case 26/37.8 km WDFG range is mine - that's more than WDFG II range - LOL! |
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2290
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Posted - 2016.01.15 16:33:16 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:flying T2 ships is a sign of player's maturity in EVE.
its an expensive hobby :)
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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Angel Cartel || Serpentis
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2016.01.15 23:24:23 -
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LOL! It's a necessity because many T2 ships offer capabilities not present in their T1 counterparts. |
Jace Varus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2016.01.15 23:32:05 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:LOL! It's a necessity because many T2 ships offer capabilities not present in their T1 counterparts.
you're a hyper one. But yeah, I get it. If you ever want to seriously run DED sites in null/low though, get a Tengu. |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2016.01.16 20:06:17 -
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Exactly! However I did not want to run DEDs in Tengu anymore because DED spawn rate was nerfed to the ground (at least in low-sec) by CCP. I was able to found tons of unrated crap only. On the other hand traveling to null is too dangerous in 1 bil. ISK worth ship..so I sold my Tengu a month ago and I began T2 Caldari cruisers training program. |
Jace Varus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2016.01.17 01:42:17 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:Exactly! However I did not want to run DEDs in Tengu anymore because DED spawn rate was nerfed to the ground (at least in low-sec) by CCP. I was able to found tons of unrated crap only. On the other hand traveling to null is too dangerous in 1 bil. ISK worth ship..so I sold my Tengu a month ago and I began T2 Caldari cruisers training program.
That's strange. In NPC nullsec I've gotten Machariel blueprints, B-Type Deadspace modules, etc. I did lose a Tengu, but that was only because I engaged a PVP ship on purpose. If you find a quiet region (Solitude, Syndicate, Great Wildlands) you will almost never be killed, if you're smart. |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2016.01.17 18:03:54 -
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"If you are smart" is not enough because game mechanics is against you all the time:
- you will be fighting alone against many - your PvE fitted Tengu is defenseless against PvP fitted enemy ships hunting you - I personally do not multibox which is a huge disadvantage in Eve (no scouting alts, no intel etc.) - maybe deep null-sec is mostly empty space but null-sec entrances and choke points are almost always camped, believe me!
That's why I came to conclusion it is unwise to risk over 1 bil. ISK (Tengu+implants) in null-sec adventures. Playing solo I can risk maybe cov-ops frigates and interceptors for null-sec trips but not more expensive ships. Surely multiboxing players being part of null-sec alliances can run Tengus in null-sec because of much better security. Not me... |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
355
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Posted - 2016.01.21 07:09:13 -
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If you want to do solo PvE, exploration, and some PvP--- then why not just train for a T3 cruiser? If you're going Caldari- the Tengu is your boat of choice. Even offers the choice between guns and missiles.
The Tengu can solo any PvE in the game short of Incursions and capital escalations. The Maze 10/10? Not even a scratch. But you can also use the same ship to scan down things- be it PvE or your fellow capsuleer, then refit to travel there cloaked and nullified, then refit again specifically for the content. A Tengu can not only do pretty much anything you want in Eve, at the very highest levels, but with a mobile depot- doesn't even need to dock to refit for any role.
And when you stop playing a giant MMO by yourself and fleet up...that Tengu can even be your fleet booster! Covert cyno hotdropper. EWAR support. Even cloaky hauler in a pinch.
The T2 ships tend to be great fleet ships that are much more focused on a singular fleet role than a jack of all trades that will do all these things. In fact, the Stratios might even be a better option as a jack of all trades ship that is both strong in PvE and viable in PvP.
Having said all that- the HICs may be about to receive a bunch of love from CCP. They are already excellent PvP platforms that are just a blast to fly. They also make for great Entosis ships. Despite their huge tank- I don't think they apply enough damage to make them useful for PvE. See above T3 endorsement for that.
The Falcon and Rook are excellent ships. ECM is still very powerful and for solo ambushing other players- Recons in general are very good ships to work with. High risk/reward gameplay given their weak tanks and anemic damage application- you really need those jams to land every time lest the battle go sideways on you in a hurry.
HAC's are still powerful but I consider them better suited to fleet duty where they have dedicated logi support and can concentrate their fittings for maximum damage application rather than tank.
The Basi is a solid logi, but being one designed to run a cap transfer means it really does almost require Logi V to go with it.
Given what the OP wants to do, I suggest a Tengu first, and the Rook/Falcon second for Caldari hulls, and the Stratios if looking outside that one race.
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Nobax
Elemental Exposure
7
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Posted - 2016.01.21 10:43:56 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:"If you are smart" is not enough because game mechanics is against you all the time:
- you will be fighting alone against many - your PvE fitted Tengu is defenseless against PvP fitted enemy ships hunting you - I personally do not multibox which is a huge disadvantage in Eve (no scouting alts, no intel etc.) - maybe deep null-sec is mostly empty space but null-sec entrances and choke points are almost always camped, believe me!
That's why I came to conclusion it is unwise to risk over 1 bil. ISK (Tengu+implants) in null-sec adventures. Playing solo I can risk maybe cov-ops frigates and interceptors for null-sec trips but not fifty times more expensive ships. Unfortunately non-combat exploration is barely worthwhile. Surely multiboxing players being members of null-sec alliances can run Tengus in null-sec because of much better security. Not me... I agree with Jace, a lot of people use Tengu/Proteus through nullsec with nullifier and covops config successfully.
Quote:- you will be fighting alone against many That's the smart part, you don't fight.
Quote:- your PvE fitted Tengu is defenseless against PvP fitted enemy ships hunting you They can't hnt you when you're cloaked.
Quote:- I personally do not multibox which is a huge disadvantage in Eve (no scouting alts, no intel etc.) I know a lot of people who run null in above mentioned tengu/prot without an alt, there is a map which has a bunch of useful stats you know.
Quote:- maybe deep null-sec is mostly empty space but null-sec entrances and choke points are almost always camped, believe me! Enter through a wormhole and avoid choke points. You can enter null, go through a bunch of empty systems and usually double back on yourself as the sites respawn. If it starts getting hot in that nullsec region you can scan down another wh and jump to another region.
I'm not saying it's perfect or 'easy' but yea... If you're smart you can have a fun and productive time in null with a tengu, stratios is also a good choice. |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
355
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Posted - 2016.01.21 16:41:12 -
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+1 Nobax
A couple things- it's a myth that every entrance into low or null sec is constantly camped. I live in null and move around between high/low/NPC null and Sov all the time. Camps are fairly uncommon in fact, especially if you can cross right over directly into someone's sov. At least then chances are the only people that might be camping it are the host sov holder- and if they aren't running one then no one is. A cloaked/nullified T3 is very hard to catch as it is. Most camps are informal...."Hey I'm bored let's go camp a gate" and if they aren't running links and resebo support- chances are good you will walk right past a camp. Yes the unlucky decloak happens- but as a veteran camper myself, you'd be shocked how many ships have slipped by even pretty aggressive camps. Even better would be to leave the shiny ship where you are going to use it and travel in something cheap and fast like a Ceptor. We certainly aren't going to be bothered to pull off a gate and chase down a Ceptor (assuming we'd even catch it at all). To all but the most fanatical gate camp, the sight of a Ceptor on the overview is met with an eyeroll and going back to surfing the fleet porn.
The Map. Probably the single most underused resource in the game. Before you ever hit that undock button, you should have already hit the map button. Never know when other people are going to decide to have a fight- and you don't want to walk into the middle of that. In null it means bubbles all over the place, scouts on most gates, roaming packs picking off stragglers....a system that was dead yesterday might have the next Asakai happening there today. Kills in the last hour is near enough to real time intel to make decisions on exit points out of high sec. WH are another route. Without active local you can scurry thru W-space with nary a ripple in your wake.
I think it's unwise to risk a 1bil isk ship on anything solo, regardless of where. You can set up the perfect attack on someone but if you don't have eyes all over the place, you risk all his angry friends charging to the rescue and melting your shiny boat without mercy. The rare times I do any solo type PvP, it's in a cheap ship without implants. Mostly because it doesn't matter. What is the point of your PvP? If it's just to collect KMs, then stick with throwaway T1's. I fly expensive ships when I am supporting a fleet operation with a strategic objective that actually matters to my alliance. I don't mind losing a billion isk boat if it's loss achieved something important to my alliance. I'd feel pretty dumb losing that much isk for nothing more than generating a KM on a third party website. |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2016.01.21 16:52:41 -
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Well, I must check it out myself! So I will purchase Victorieux Luxury Yacht and I will try to run a long trip across null-sec. This ship is relatively inexpensive (82 mil. ISK) but it can fit cov-ops clock, is immune to bubbles and can warp-out very quickly. Thus in theory VLY is as safe in null-sec as much more costly Tengu. We shall see if I will be caught and podded by null-sec gate-camps! |
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elitatwo
Eve Minions The-Company
1046
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Posted - 2016.01.22 10:06:57 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:"If you are smart" is not enough because game mechanics is against you all the time:
- you will be fighting alone against many - your PvE fitted Tengu is defenseless against PvP fitted enemy ships hunting you - I personally do not multibox which is a huge disadvantage in Eve (no scouting alts, no intel etc.) - maybe deep null-sec is mostly empty space but null-sec entrances and choke points are almost always camped...
Hey I think that is my job description - solo pvp.
....two years from now you will regret saying that you didn't need a Stratios - if EVE didn't go offline in the meantime.
Eve Minions is recruiting. Learn from about pvp, learn about ships and how to fly them correctly. Small gang and solo action in high, low and nullsec and w-space alike.
We will teach you everything you need and want to know.
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Jace Varus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2016.01.22 14:47:43 -
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Altair Taurus wrote:"If you are smart" is not enough because game mechanics is against you all the time:
- you will be fighting alone against many - your PvE fitted Tengu is defenseless against PvP fitted enemy ships hunting you - I personally do not multibox which is a huge disadvantage in Eve (no scouting alts, no intel etc.) - maybe deep null-sec is mostly empty space but null-sec entrances and choke points are almost always camped, believe me!
That's why I came to conclusion it is unwise to risk over 1 bil. ISK (Tengu+implants) in null-sec adventures. Playing solo I can risk maybe cov-ops frigates and interceptors for null-sec trips but not fifty times more expensive ships. Unfortunately non-combat exploration is barely worthwhile. Surely multiboxing players being members of null-sec alliances can run Tengus in null-sec because of much better security. Not me...
-Not nessicarily. Even if so, a T3 cruiser is very powerful and capable. -If you PVE fit an Onyx you wouldn't be able to deal with PVP ships just as much, regardless of your tank. -Neither do I. -Nullified + Covert ops Tengu = cannot be caught unless a massive smartbomb fleet is on a gate.
As for the yacht, it will not get podded, because it is literally 10 times faster than a Tengu. But whatever. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
13688
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Posted - 2016.01.22 16:59:10 -
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Jace Varus wrote: -Nullified + Covert ops Tengu = cannot be caught unless a massive smartbomb fleet is on a gate.
you forget human error and getting out payed, both are far more common than you would think
Better the Devil you know.
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Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2016.01.23 23:20:30 -
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elitatwo wrote:....two years from now you will regret saying that you didn't need a Stratios - if EVE didn't go offline in the meantime.
You are right! I am afraid EVE Online is collapsing...I am not sure I will play it anymore. |
Altair Taurus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2016.01.26 23:29:27 -
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I finished Caldari recon cruisers training and acquired Rook. That's quite interesting beast! With slightly pimped-out fit (cheap Pithum-C Medium Shield Booster + T2 modules) I get around 850 DPS tank against Guristas (cap stable!). Its damage with T2 HAMs and drones is close to 600 DPS. I suppose my Rook can run all Guristas high-sec and low-sec DEDs. All in all I will test-use both my T2 cruisers in high-sec combat exploration:
- Rook - against Guristas - Onyx - against Serpentis
for a week long period to see if I can earn some serious ISK in contrary to my catastrophic experience so far. I have also decided to postpone Basilisk and Cerberus/Eagle training because this seems pointless (certainly I am not a logi pilot and Onyx/Rook can work well as HAC replacement in PvE). In return I have just begun training another amazing T2 ships:
- Gallente interceptor and incidentally covert-ops frigate (Ares & Helios) - Minmatar interdictor (Sabre)
This will take me about a month. Next I will think about training one of Marauders... |
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
1240
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Posted - 2016.01.30 18:37:08 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Then there's the whole teach a man to fish thing . . . .
I always liked the fire thing better than the fishing thing.
Build a fire for a man, and he'll stay warm for a night. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
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