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Zenmaster Aihaken
Lost Valkyries
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Posted - 2015.12.08 17:14:11 -
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So I had a nice plan, but then CCP changed something. Then I changed the plan, hopeful that this time, this time I'd get to actually fly something worth while, but then CCP used their nerf bat again. Now I don't know if there's any point to skilling for any particular ship anymore, lest you end up terribly disappointed. So now I will focus on generic things like tanking and such, until CCP nerfs that too.
*Frustrated* |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
1170
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Posted - 2015.12.08 17:35:10 -
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Most times, the change in ship performance is necessary.
They introduce a new ship spec/weapon application it gets used, tweeked, fleeted, experimented with someone figures out it is a bit overpowered soon it becomes the only ship that people are flying
I've been here about 10 years. I get butthurt over some of my favorite ships too. Some were minor nerfs, but some nerfs have ruined those ships forever. The thing is, CCP HAS to nerf some things to keep the game somewhat balanced. It's all part of the process that comes with introducing new content. Skill plans change as you get longer into the game. That is also a common and re-occurring event. It doesn't mean the skills are wasted. You will still use them.
[Sarcasm here] You can't name yourself Zenmaster, and then post threads about frustration. It's in the EULA rules somewhere.
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Khanid Voltar
S.A.S
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Posted - 2015.12.08 18:47:43 -
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Ever wonder where the phrase "adapt or die" came from?
Threads like this.
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Zenmaster Aihaken
Lost Valkyries
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Posted - 2015.12.09 00:02:38 -
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Even a zenmaster gets frustrated from time to time. If not, there is no way to learn. Thanks for the input, guys! |
Husidh
The Polar Express
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Posted - 2015.12.09 03:35:09 -
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If there is a ship you want so bad you skill for it and it alone, it is probably OP anyway :D |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.12.09 03:43:55 -
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If you rush-train into whatever the Flavour Of The Month ship currently is, you're begging to get caught out by an inevitable nerf.
When I started, all of 14 or so months back,, I had a great many people tell me to rush train into the Ishtar and/or the Tengu.
I am very glad I ignored them in favour of getting my core engineering, fitting, tanking and navigation skills up to scratch. Sure, it means I'm nigh on incapable of flying anything larger than a Frigate in PvP.
That will change in a big way when my current neural mapping for Drones finishes up in ~48 odd days.
Ships will come, ships will go and ships will eventually come back again (as some Phoenix flying friends have pointed out), but those Core skills keep on keeping on, regardless what ship you're currently in.
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Zenmaster Aihaken
Lost Valkyries
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Posted - 2015.12.09 15:29:24 -
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Yeah, I'm done with the core skills, but the whining is exactly due to first training for the Ishtar for a long-long time, and then switching to the Gila. First the Isthar got nerfed to hell, then the Gila is nerfed now. I got great drone skills though! :p My decision now is to just focus down the few shield, armor and navigation skils I've got left. Eventually that is what saves the day anyway. But I'm still iffy as to which damage category I should choose. I guess hybrids go well with drones, but then I initially skilled Caldari, and they are missiles. Oh, choices, choices... |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6538
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Posted - 2015.12.09 22:15:42 -
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When everyone is using that one thing all the time it's a pretty good sign that there's something wrong with it.
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Xtreem
Aliastra Gallente Federation
394
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Posted - 2015.12.10 14:07:46 -
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I have had to re make enough fittings over my years to now not worry over changes, they are a part of the game.
I miss my double mwd drone spewing domi of doom! |
Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
719
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Posted - 2015.12.17 06:02:19 -
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Khanid Voltar wrote:Ever wonder where the phrase "adapt or die" came from?
Threads like this.
I think Darwin was the first to really get the idea.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2015.12.18 20:12:13 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:When everyone is using that one thing all the time it's a pretty good sign that there's something wrong with it.
Why? There's always going to be a "best ship" in the game, no matter how balanced everything is. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6563
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Posted - 2015.12.20 06:49:11 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:When everyone is using that one thing all the time it's a pretty good sign that there's something wrong with it. Why? There's always going to be a "best ship" in the game, no matter how balanced everything is.
Because a single ship with a single fitting should never be the 'be all end all' thing that everyone uses because it is the best thing available to do anything. Case in point: The Ishtar of 2 years ago.
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Hulk Miner
White Horse Incorporated
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Posted - 2015.12.20 08:23:33 -
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Skill to fly all ships and fit all modules, then your never disappointed. |
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
661
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Posted - 2015.12.20 20:13:30 -
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I just train everything... Since they simply won't nerf everything... btw the Ishtar is not that bad after nerfing, just saying |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2807
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Posted - 2015.12.21 02:30:27 -
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Train for what sucks and is unpopular, and by the time you're good at it, it'll be due for a buff. If the buff comes late, just fly it anyway and let its suckiness make you hard, then when it finally does get buffed, you'll be beastmode and your hair might just turn yellow or something.
Fly dangerous! o/
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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Ria Nieyli
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Posted - 2015.12.21 05:46:53 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Because a single ship with a single fitting should never be the 'be all end all' thing that everyone uses because it is the best thing available to do anything. Case in point: The Ishtar of 2 years ago.
And in $currentyear, the Ishtar is replaced by $shipname. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6572
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Posted - 2015.12.23 02:26:59 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Because a single ship with a single fitting should never be the 'be all end all' thing that everyone uses because it is the best thing available to do anything. Case in point: The Ishtar of 2 years ago. And in $currentyear, the Ishtar is replaced by $shipname.
And that is why it will be brought in to line.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1853
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Posted - 2016.01.02 08:35:59 -
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I train whatever i want and CCP nerfs are irrelevant.
Akrasjel Lanate
Member of Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Citizen of Solitude
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ArmyOfMe
Hull Breach. Outnumbered.
536
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Posted - 2016.01.02 09:28:55 -
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Zenmaster Aihaken wrote:First the Isthar got nerfed to hell. You should consider rethinking your definition of nerfed to hell m8
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Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
1052
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Posted - 2016.01.04 13:11:00 -
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If you stay on it long enough, being able to fly everything (subcappy) becomes almost inevitable..... nerfs will not matter anymore at that point.
Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
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Andrew Indy
POS Party
144
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Posted - 2016.01.06 07:46:57 -
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Zenmaster Aihaken wrote:Yeah, I'm done with the core skills, but the whining is exactly due to first training for the Ishtar for a long-long time, and then switching to the Gila. First the Isthar got nerfed to hell, then the Gila is nerfed now.
They are both still perfectly good ships, the GIla still gets like 700+ DPS with Rapid lights and can take most ships in its class (better/ more flexible than other pirate cruisers?)
Zenmaster Aihaken wrote: I got great drone skills though! I did the sames thing on my second account , She now has every drone skill to 5 other than fighter bombers and advance drone control (or whatever that cap skill is called). Drones are used in almost all ships so its not a terrible thing. That and 2X Cruiser 5 and Hac 5 are great skills to have.
Zenmaster Aihaken wrote: I guess hybrids go well with drones, but then I initially skilled Caldari, and they are missiles. Oh, choices, choices... I would skill up what you have to a point were you are highly effective (so you have stuff to fly now) and then branch out.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
10165
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Posted - 2016.01.09 22:02:56 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:I just train everything... Since they simply won't nerf everything... btw the Ishtar is not that bad after nerfing, just saying
Unless CCP nerfs your ability to log into the game, that is
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5667
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Posted - 2016.01.17 01:10:45 -
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Thread title should be, "Have fun playing the game, instead of worrying about min-max'ing."
Example: I have an alt that hasn't remapped attributes since birth, 6 years ago. |
Ria Nieyli
39278
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Posted - 2016.01.17 09:51:02 -
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But min-maxing is fun! And by min-maxing I mean maxing. |
BobDoLe Senator
Fuxi Legion Fraternity.
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Posted - 2016.01.29 05:17:34 -
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Just train for a useless ship that no one fly now. CCP will not nerf such ships. |
Anneke van Giersbergen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.02.01 01:42:04 -
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BobDoLe Senator wrote:Just train for a useless ship that no one fly now. CCP will not nerf such ships.
I'm dreaming of a day the Corax is good. Watch me tunnel vision mastery V. |
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