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Posted - 2007.01.14 12:00:00 -
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any way to kill mothership in lowsec ?
not using 15min logoff aggresion timer
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Kharakan
Amarr
Morticus Impendium
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Posted - 2007.01.14 12:01:00 -
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Only thing I can think of would be a bunch of nanobattleships, and I'm not even sure if that would work.
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
Northern Intelligence
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.14 12:01:00 -
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Bring your friends.
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2007.01.14 12:03:00 -
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well losing one is a IQUIT button eheh, those are beasts, hopefully they dont die like that
i wish i had one!!!
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Lanu
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Posted - 2007.01.14 12:14:00 -
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Sure its uber.. but it price is uber too 
And there ARE some options.. sure its very very hard but its not impossible.
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Big Al
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2007.01.14 12:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Bring your friends.
and hope he doesn't have any.
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Ralara
Caldari
Reunited
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.01.14 12:38:00 -
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Zaphod: The building is being bombed? Who would want to bomb a publishing company?!
Marvin: Another publishing company.
So to paraphrase - What can destroy a mothership in low security space? Another mothership.
Go make one :)
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.14 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara
Zaphod: The building is being bombed? Who would want to bomb a publishing company?!
Marvin: Another publishing company.
So to paraphrase - What can destroy a mothership in low security space? Another mothership.
Go make one :)
How would that help? The problem isn't to get the dps, but to keep it from running away.
The only feasible way would probably be with nanoBS yeah, but make sure you bring some nospocs with neuts to get the cap down to below 95% before it can jump out to a friendly cyno. If the pilot is smart and always has a cyno ready somewhere, he should be able to evade basically anything if he isn't a complete shroom.
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Eddie Gordo
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.01.14 12:50:00 -
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You can very easily "defang" a mothership using only 5-6 battleships in a smartbomb cluster, assuming he doesnt have battleship backup.
As for actually killing one in low sec, its impossible since he can tank forever and cant be tackled with anything other than a dictor bubble or deployable warp disruptor.
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.01.14 12:55:00 -
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The only way is to kill it before it warps. You can't scramble it in any way. So you need a bunch of nano ships to bump it and jump in a bunch of dreads or carriers to kill it fast. Still, it would be very difficult to pull off and you would certainly loose a few BS.
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Ralara
Caldari
Reunited
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.01.14 12:56:00 -
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bump bump bump, and a lot of very heavy weapons and well coordinated pilots.
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Yeah, so Caldari suck at close range. Pity you'll never get there.
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SajuurCor
Free Collective
The OSS
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Posted - 2007.01.14 13:39:00 -
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Neut its cap to 70% else it will simply jump, while ramming it to keep from aligning. There really isn't anywhere it can go once in system though, other than a pos. You'd hope he'd stick around to fight a few bs, and be unable to jump by the time he realizes you're in a bunch of neuting bs. Then just drop in the dreads while ramming it with nano bs or something, and it would probably not get out. A few siege dreads would drop the thing very rapidly, and should be able to hit it considering they are extremely large and slow.
Basicly bring some friends, and hope he will fight for a while before trying to run. Your rifter isnt going to solo a 20-30 bil isk ship.
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Stitcher
Caldari
J.I.T. Enterprises
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.14 14:13:00 -
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just shoot the fighters instead. Those things ain't cheap.
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ALPHA12125
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.14 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
The only way is to kill it before it warps. You can't scramble it in any way. So you need a bunch of nano ships to bump it and jump in a bunch of dreads or carriers to kill it fast. Still, it would be very difficult to pull off and you would certainly loose a few BS.
doesnt work very well. we tried with around 10 nano bs 3 carriers and 1 dread. after around 2 minutes of bumping he just warped. its impossible to keep him bumped for the whole time. just one bump from the wrong direction and you actually help him.
nanocarriers are the only thing that might stop them. also jetison cans but that is an exploit imho
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Strel Samodelkin
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.14 14:21:00 -
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Unplug your modem, grab a beer, and come back later.
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2007.01.14 14:33:00 -
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Originally by: SajuurCor
Neut its cap to 70% else it will simply jump, while ramming it to keep from aligning. There really isn't anywhere it can go once in system
Good point, but properly fitted motherships will have something like 1000+ cap/s regeneration.
Has anyone managed to kill one this way?
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Vito Parabellum
Fivrelde Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.14 14:41:00 -
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But... mommy said there are no solo pwnmobiles..
Having them be invulnerable to warp scrambling was a big mistake. These ships should not run around alone but with a load of support. Now we got them gatecamping lowsec alone with impunity O_o
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Rehmes
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Posted - 2007.01.14 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Stitcher
just shoot the fighters instead. Those things ain't cheap.
IMO this is the best recomendation, i know that getting that MS killmail may seem awesome but fi you think about it for a moment gettin gthe fighters have the same effect on the guy to a certain extent. If you kill, say, 10 fighters in one run and he comes back another day to try again and wipe his fighters again soon hell have a dry wallet or hel simply leave the system for good.
Though i think the one way to do it in low sec would be to ram him a bit bring some neut BSes and finally drop in 4 dreads on him, u may get lucky to take him out.
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2007.01.14 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Rehmes
If you kill, say, 10 fighters in one run and he comes back another day to try again and wipe his fighters again soon hell have a dry wallet or hel simply leave the system for good.
Meh he will just pull his fighters if you start shooting them and launch 20+ sentry drones or heavy drones ... I doubt the MS gate campers often use anything else actually.
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Copine Callmeknau
The Splinter Syndicate
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.14 14:52:00 -
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Edited by: Copine Callmeknau on 14/01/2007 14:49:55
nvm
Flame that prolly wasn't required :p
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wrong on so many levels you could only be more wrong if you where tuxford.
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Averiana
CR4VE
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Posted - 2007.01.14 14:55:00 -
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ok its a 20+ bil isk ship, let them be able to kill ure raven.. lol..
Anyway to kill one,
5 domi with t2 drones and nano setup with nos, the drones stop the mothership from warping, and you can still bump with the nanos on. Then u need a set of carriers or dreads. its not impossible I know of atleast one that has been killed this way. But remember, anyone that isnt a muppet will also carry normal t2 drones in their carrier / mothership and rest assured someone specced in drones (u need to be highly specced for fighters) will make 20 t2 large drones rip a bs apart. If the guy is a muppet, and is only using fightrs, then once the fighters r assigned on one of u, warp away, it will mean the fighters follow and it will take longer to reassign to a new target..
Other thing to note, if the mothership is camping low sec, hes more than likely running, nos on high + cap remote reps to repair fighters (u wont beat these if ure trying to shoot fighters 3k hp rep'd per 4 secs) meds will be 2 sensor booster 2 (or faction) 2 officer scrambler and officer web, therefore his recharge rate will be severly limited. So its not impossible to break his tank.
Final thing to note is, once u have him stuck there with no cap, u have to kill nearly 1mil hp for it to die.. (this takes time)...
Avy..
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Aeon Yakati
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.14 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Averiana
Anyway to kill one,
5 domi with t2 drones and nano setup with nos, the drones stop the mothership from warping
The drones will die within 10 seconds as any decent fitted MS has a few 10km SB fitted. That detail aside, the plan might work.
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Gutsani
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.14 15:08:00 -
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Alot of people think well, but dont know what they are saying.
I was one of those before <anonymous> explained the whole thingie to me. A mothership is semi impossible to kill in lowsec. Why?
Its immune to EW, you cant warp scramble him. You are in lowsec, and as such you can not deploy warp bubbles or dictor bubbles. Allowing him to run if needed.
It can deal an insane ammount of damage, it can easely take out 15 battleships before having to warp away. This is, if the pilot isnt a complete retard.
It can jump out to a nearby POS if he smells a trap, so you need to move fast.
It can tank you for a long long long time.
So, the only way to actually keep it in place is to bump it, but as the outbreak guy said; one wrong bump and you are screwed. Knowing the thing has a ****load of hitpoints, the chance for a wrong bump is about 99,99% leaving the chance to kill it to 0,01% hence the SEMI impossible.
About the nano carrier idea, it has the mass to bump it decently but i'm not sure that you can get em in position fast enough to do it. Hence, there is no such thing as a capital microwarpdrive, so you will need the speed implants and have a verry reduced tank. I'm not sure what speed you can get out of a carrier, but to make it bump a mothership multiple times sounds difficult (since you need to align again etc etc).
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Black Jewel
Out Of Exile
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Posted - 2007.01.14 15:35:00 -
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it shouldnt be allowed into lowsec
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Fubear
Vogon Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.14 15:51:00 -
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When I get a Titan I will do nothing but camp Ammamake!
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Ithildin
Gallente
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.01.14 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Black Jewel
it shouldnt be allowed into lowsec
Originally, they weren't (MS and Titans). But I guess some bright guy in CCP office realized what it'd take to move one from, for example, Delve to Querious.
Not that it'd be possible, really...
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ALPHA12125
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.14 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Averiana
ok its a 20+ bil isk ship, let them be able to kill ure raven.. lol..
Anyway to kill one,
5 domi with t2 drones and nano setup with nos, the drones stop the mothership from warping, and you can still bump with the nanos on. Then u need a set of carriers or dreads. its not impossible I know of atleast one that has been killed this way. But remember, anyone that isnt a muppet will also carry normal t2 drones in their carrier / mothership and rest assured someone specced in drones (u need to be highly specced for fighters) will make 20 t2 large drones rip a bs apart. If the guy is a muppet, and is only using fightrs, then once the fighters r assigned on one of u, warp away, it will mean the fighters follow and it will take longer to reassign to a new target..
Other thing to note, if the mothership is camping low sec, hes more than likely running, nos on high + cap remote reps to repair fighters (u wont beat these if ure trying to shoot fighters 3k hp rep'd per 4 secs) meds will be 2 sensor booster 2 (or faction) 2 officer scrambler and officer web, therefore his recharge rate will be severly limited. So its not impossible to break his tank.
Final thing to note is, once u have him stuck there with no cap, u have to kill nearly 1mil hp for it to die.. (this takes time)...
Avy..
who killed a mothership ? sofar no mothership have been lost.
also please stop with the bumping ideas. has anyone even tried to bump motherships? unless u run a typhoon with a snake set the mothership wont even drop out of allignment if you bump it cause it has such a huge mass. we had 10 nano bs bumping the ms around 30 fighter drones and 50 normal drones on the ship and it still warped.
also almost noone uses fighters in lowsec. for instance the establishment guy who flies the nyx is a -10 guy. imagine what happens to him if he deploys his fighters on a gate. the only time they are of use is if you fight at planets or belts.
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Akkarin Pagan
Minmatar
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2007.01.14 16:12:00 -
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Short of bringing a Titan, or 2 mother ships, as well as support fleets, it looks like the mothership is pretty much invulnerable. That said, what with warp to zero, sureley even a BS can get into warp and out of the other side of the system before the MS becomes a real issue for it.
That said the last (and only) time I ever encountered a mothership, I was in 0.0 and a 50 man BS fleet + supporting dictors and bubbles forced him to safe and cyno out (He killed the dictors off fast once he realised that 2 alliances had mobilised to go for him).
All that sadi CCP were investigating bringing warp bubbles into low sec, so there may be a solution on teh horizon.
Akkarin
P.S. Sorry if any info is out of date, I've been away nearly a month due to an exploding graphics card issue.
<3 - Immy
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.01.14 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara
Zaphod: The building is being bombed? Who would want to bomb a publishing company?!
Marvin: Another publishing company.
So to paraphrase - What can destroy a mothership in low security space? Another mothership.
Go make one :)
The only way that other mothership will help, is if it's bumping the enemy mothership to keep it from warping, while a few dozen ships NOS it.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.01.14 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Averiana
ok its a 20+ bil isk ship, let them be able to kill ure raven.. lol..
Anyway to kill one,
5 domi with t2 drones and nano setup with nos, the drones stop the mothership from warping, and you can still bump with the nanos on. Then u need a set of carriers or dreads. its not impossible I know of atleast one that has been killed this way.
Unless this happened VERY recently, no player-owned mothership has yet to be destroyed.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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