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morkatog lumanis
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Posted - 2007.01.15 19:22:00 -
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I heard some good stuff about EVE so decided to give it a try.. since I'm all new and it didn't look like MMORPG's I played previously I decided to go for the tutorial. So here I am going through it all till I have to fly to some point and kill pirates.. however, all I can do is blink at the pirate in the overview list and see how it's shot to pieces by other people.. well, **** happens of course, but after warping back and forth between those start spots looking for pirates and see them being shot to pieces by way more advanced ships I decided to civilly start a conversation with one asking if it's a normal thing that people keep shooting the newbie targets to trash before you get a chance. Now the response I got was that the guy spoke german but hardly any english and that he's new too.. his ship looked more advanced then mine though so I right clicked and took a closer look and guess what: the description said it was the most advanced frigate that was available.. to be honest, I was very disappointed at this that new players don't even get a chance to start experiencing the game.. after I talked to that guy I closed down the game right away, and I'm kind of hoping to hear that this kind of trash doesn't happen 24/7 in the game, cause this just feels to me like people are chasing off new players
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sugark
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.01.15 19:37:00 -
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First of all: welcome to EVE. IŠm sorry to hear that your start wasnŠt all that great, but hope youŠll continue to play for a bit longer so that you can realize how great it is indeed
Now - on your question. Yes, it does happen that other players kill the rats (=NPC pirates) you headed out to kill. However, this is no problem in missions normally, since they are in spots that are hard to reach for other players. The thing is that the universe in EVE is so huge that you will always find something to kill. After the tutorial you can always head out to a less busy system and find some rats there. The new player spawning systems are generally full of players trying to do exactly what you are trying to do - testing how this works.
So...two possible solutions I suggest: Wait at the point where you were trying to kill the rats. They will respawn eventually. Or, if you feel confident enough, go to any asteroid belt in a 1.0 system and kill rats there. In this case you could just skip that part of the tutorial.
Well, hope this helps. Feel free to get in touch in-game (eve-mail or convo) if you need any help ________________________________
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2007.01.15 19:48:00 -
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This kind of stuff doesn't happen 24/7, just during the busy prime-time hours. Like in any other MMO game out there, the newbie zone (in this case, newbie starter system) and its resources are hunted to extinction during busy times.
You can try during off-hours, or you can click the blue info button in the upper right corner (when docked) to see the properties of the newbie corp you're in; switching to its Offices tab or Agents tab should let you find another location, perhaps a less busy one. Every starter school has at least one other location where the school is the only station in the system, and in a high security system; if you find it, chances are that only 20-30 people are there, as opposed to 400, and you can do your tutorial in peace.
Otherwise, this is a PVP game, and hopefully this experience that you just had will make that sink in. You will have to deal with players attacking you, players declaring war on you in secure space and being able to shoot you with impunity, players being able to scam you, people who might join your corp being able to steal everything in your corp hangars, players coming up to your mining op and stealing your ore, and people being rude over the comm lines.
It's a PVP game. If you do not like, or cannot live with that, sadly EVE won't be the game for you. Other than the advice and free information you see here, there's a distinct lack of cuddling newbies or other players in this game.
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Mayoz Miner
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Posted - 2007.01.15 19:50:00 -
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you can get a good frig from creation now (if you have the ISK). Did you go to Dead space for your kills? If you do the missions you will have tons of things to shoot at.
What happened to you (some guy shot some pirates that you thought where yours ?) is nothing compared to what could of happened to you, just move on and get more rats/missions. (on my first day some guydid this to me:-
Some Guy :- "Hey mate you new ?"
Me :- "yes mate I am"
Some guy :- "here take this stuff, it will help you" *Some Guy then jettisons some scordite* Some guy :- "Don't worry about the warnings mate its only me "
Me :- *Me takes scordite* "cheers mate you a............ BOOOOOOM "
Yes Some guy tricked me a blew me up, but I got a new ship and im doing well for myself. We actually had a longer convo than that but you get the idea. This is a great game I don't consider what happened to me griefing I consider it a learning experiance
P.S. try to use paragraphs or space your sentences as its hard for people to read and will not read it and carry on to the next post. Anyway g/l.
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Nvermind
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Posted - 2007.01.15 19:56:00 -
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ive been in the game for about a month now and it DOES get better. Soon you will be able to go out and make the game hard for other noobs =)
Train your skills and remember-its not paranoia if they really are out to get you.
Convo or mail me in game if you want to ask anything at all
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morkatog lumanis
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Posted - 2007.01.15 20:59:00 -
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thanks for the reactions everyone, thanks to your feedback I'll certqainly give it another try :) I've been looking for a space game for some time, hopefully this will be as great as you all say it's gonna be :)
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Kylania
Gallente Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.15 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Mayoz Miner
Yes Some guy tricked me a blew me up, but I got a new ship and im doing well for myself. We actually had a longer convo than that but you get the idea. This is a great game I don't consider what happened to me griefing I consider it a learning experiance
If that happens in a newbie system please petition that, it's against the rules in the newbie systems. These jerks have been doing this often lately and hopefully we'll get them to stop by petitioning them. -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap | How to Build from a BPO |
Evachece
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Posted - 2007.01.15 21:19:00 -
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I'm relitivly new here also, the same problem croped up in the begining but i managed to get a pirate. just one word of advice before you go into the deadspace complex, mine 200 units of veldspar ahead of time, the asteroids they give you to mine only spawn with 1 unit in them and getting 200 is a major pain. only way i got out of there was some guy tried to trick me into letting him shoot me down by droping 200 units of veldspar and telling me i could take it. fortunitly these people seem to be fairly rare, mostly i've run into good people in this game who are willing to help out a new guy.
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Daelmon
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Posted - 2007.01.15 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: morkatog lumanis I heard some good stuff about EVE so decided to give it a try.. since I'm all new and it didn't look like MMORPG's I played previously I decided to go for the tutorial. So here I am going through it all till I have to fly to some point and kill pirates.. however, all I can do is blink at the pirate in the overview list and see how it's shot to pieces by other people.. well, **** happens of course, but after warping back and forth between those start spots looking for pirates and see them being shot to pieces by way more advanced ships I decided to civilly start a conversation with one asking if it's a normal thing that people keep shooting the newbie targets to trash before you get a chance. Now the response I got was that the guy spoke german but hardly any english and that he's new too.. his ship looked more advanced then mine though so I right clicked and took a closer look and guess what: the description said it was the most advanced frigate that was available.. to be honest, I was very disappointed at this that new players don't even get a chance to start experiencing the game.. after I talked to that guy I closed down the game right away, and I'm kind of hoping to hear that this kind of trash doesn't happen 24/7 in the game, cause this just feels to me like people are chasing off new players
QQ
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Vasiliyan
PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.16 12:54:00 -
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It's very variable ... often you get friendly helpful people in the noob corps, and a few times I've benefited from the kindness of strangers, but there are also people who just want to grief (ruining other people's game for no benefit to themselves)
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Doomicon
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:05:00 -
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Don't get discouraged, I just signed up and there were ALOT of us newbs in my starting area. Just hop around to different deadspace complexes. Also, as far as the Advanced Frigate newb... I just hit day 14, and I'm in a Destroyer. I was broke yesterday, but finally spent the time to sell off all my salvage. Now I have a sweet ship, and 6mill ISK in case it goes pop. You'll be able to upgrade your ship in no time.
ubernoob & neutral without a care... |
Schena
Mextora
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:14:00 -
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Welcome to EVE! I promise you, once you get past the tutorial the game will knock you out of your chair compared to other MMORPG's
You can't drink and come to work. You are not airline pilots. |
EffBee Primus
Caldari DCS Ltd
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Posted - 2007.01.16 13:32:00 -
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Three Points:
1) EvE is a very deep game that goes way way beyond the simplistic "find a mob or PvP Player and kill!" style of gameplay. It can be a management simulation (Create build and manage a megacorporation), It can be an Elite style trading game, It CAN be a WoW style PvP game (and sadly many people will tell you this is the the "right" way to play, and that if you don't play it this way you are playing it wrong), It can be an empire building game if you build up a large industrial and corporate infrastructure. There is an active process by the developers of increasing content but unlike other games they don't just add missions or "more of the same just higher level", they add different things to do. The game has a slow burn and imho doesn't grab you as quickly as games like WoW. The tutorials are almost off-putting and frankly not too brilliant. Once it gets you though - say goodbye to normal life.
2) As in real life, EvE is full of real people. As in real life some people are nice and some are jerks. One of the great things about EvE is its flexibility to let you do so much. Sadly this means jerks have a lot of flexibility as well. (I have a list of people who I will "get" one day!) All it really comes down to is playing for a while to understand the game mechanics - then when something happens which you think will compromise you - be careful. If you ever played Oblivion you quickly learned not to mess with NPC's stuff in any way. In Eve don't mess with other people's stuff even if they say you can.
3) You are not your ship. Have lots of ships. By the time you lose your third or fourth ship it will not be quite so devastating. Don't fly it if it's too expensive to lose. Proud to be a CareBear |
Lady Loom
Red Mercury Industries Legiones Astartes
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Posted - 2007.01.16 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Daelmon QQ
STFU and learn to read. He's merely complaining that some people have nothing better to do than camp the outside of the tutorial complexes and one-shot the rats said newbies need to pop in order to continue with the tutorial. And I agree with him, it's pathetic - 1) for a game some people claim is so much different from other MMOs, I find it hard to understand why this amount of spawn camping is required to endure by people who just started the damn game (ie. why are said tutorial-relevant rats even accessible by bored people in "real" ships?) - I've had friends who lost interest because they sat there, unable to continue with the already long and somewhat boring tutorial and I don't think that's the way it should be. 2) Don't get me wrong, I otherwise don't have anything against competition when it comes to regular rats, plexes, whatever, but these training complexes for new players are pointless for older players. The loot is crap or non-existant and you can't activate the gates unless flying a rookie ship or shuttle...
Then again it gave him a representative view on EVE and it's players, in which case I guess it's better he notices sooner than later that EVE contains a whole lot of griefers and self-absorbed idiots.
[[ power corrupts, absolute power is kind of neat ]] |
master bates
Amarr Smoking Hillbillys The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.01.16 15:06:00 -
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hmm its been a long long time since i did the tutorial plexes, but i seem to remember that only nooby ships can get into those plexes yet he says that an advanced frigate was in there.... weird one hehe if the plexes(short for deadspace complexes) are being cleared every time you try go out of the system you are in and find the nearest 0.8 system, 0.8 and below have rats that spawn at every asteroid belt, and are relativaly easy to kill. however if other players are browsing the belts for rats too (err rats means npc pirates btw) then you browse the belts as well, however if after say ten minutes you dont find anything move onto another system, i would stay in 0.8-0.7 at first till your in a better ship, if you cannot find a 0.8 system ask in your local chat for help in finding one and someone will give you a hand. missions
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Doomicon
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.01.16 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: master bates hmm its been a long long time since i did the tutorial plexes, but i seem to remember that only nooby ships can get into those plexes yet he says that an advanced frigate was in there.... weird one hehe
You can't take a frigate into newb deadspace plexes. I upgraded to a frig during tutorial, and was unable to use them.
Lady Loom, I don't think it's a case of players camping newb spawns, I just think there are alot of us newbs. My first few days during the tutorial there were ALOT of Velator's(sp) along side me ratting'. Eve just got rave reviews at mmorpg.com, so I think there is an influx of new players. I finally took the plunge after reading the reviews on mmorpg.com.
If Eve had elves, and purple tech II ships that came in peices, took 60 players and 8 months to get just one.. everyone would play this game! |
Rodrigo Valon
Gallente Synergy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.16 16:55:00 -
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Maybe when he wrote it, OP didn't realize that you could activate the gate to the complex to get more enemies, and just saw the bunches of wrecks that accumulate over the hours, and thought that the frig checking the wrecks did all that damage.
Just keep trying. You'll see that there's plenty of space to work with. But don't forget to train up and get a new frigate soon, not much you can do safely with the n00b ship and guns.
Hope the donation helped.
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Theoses
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Posted - 2007.01.16 17:13:00 -
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This is a shame. You are welcome to look me up and come join our corp. We usually start out new players (including trail acount players) with 500,000 isk.
This helps them buy skill books and ships. Then they usually just tag alogn with us either mineing or mission running and split profits in half.
This is how i was treated when I was a noob and is why I still play to this day. Sorry about the 10% of *******s who play eve but the other 90% are friendly.
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morkatog lumanis
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Posted - 2007.01.17 09:07:00 -
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first off, thanks everyone for your responses, it's good to see there's also a lot of good people here. I have given it another try and finally made it past the tutorial! so now I'm ready to start exploring the game for real :)
As for the speculation in the last few posts: the advanced thingy (+dozens of others) shot down the pirates guarding that deadspace thingy.. and my tutorial said I had to kill them to loot something if I'm not mistaken, hence the problem. Anyway, I did get past that thank god (though not without meeting one more ******* who decided it'd be fun to steal loot hoping I'd drop my guard and attack her so she could start shooting me) but beside from that, in the end of the tutorial it looks like you finally are given a taste of what the game will be like, and that looked very promissing, so I'm on my way ;)
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Daelmon
Resurrection R i s e
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Posted - 2007.01.17 09:32:00 -
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Edited by: Daelmon on 17/01/2007 09:30:18
Originally by: Lady Loom
Originally by: Daelmon QQ
STFU and learn to read. He's merely complaining that some people have nothing better to do than camp the outside of the tutorial complexes and one-shot the rats said newbies need to pop in order to continue with the tutorial. And I agree with him, it's pathetic - 1) for a game some people claim is so much different from other MMOs, I find it hard to understand why this amount of spawn camping is required to endure by people who just started the damn game (ie. why are said tutorial-relevant rats even accessible by bored people in "real" ships?) - I've had friends who lost interest because they sat there, unable to continue with the already long and somewhat boring tutorial and I don't think that's the way it should be. 2) Don't get me wrong, I otherwise don't have anything against competition when it comes to regular rats, plexes, whatever, but these training complexes for new players are pointless for older players. The loot is crap or non-existant and you can't activate the gates unless flying a rookie ship or shuttle...
Then again it gave him a representative view on EVE and it's players, in which case I guess it's better he notices sooner than later that EVE contains a whole lot of griefers and self-absorbed idiots.
As I said, QQ. I dealt with the exact same thing, and didn't come here crying about it. Wait 10 or 15 minutes and they respawn, or go somewhere else and find another spawn. Don't expect other people to care about you, because for the most part, they don't. Often times when someone is nice to you, it is because they want to feel good about themselves, not cause they care about you, even if they think otherwise. None-the-less, it is not another paying customer's responsibility to worry about his noob mission. If you can't handle that, you won't last long in Eve.
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Matt Zun
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Posted - 2007.01.17 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Evachece ...Just one word of advice before you go into the deadspace complex, mine 200 units of veldspar ahead of time, the asteroids they give you to mine only spawn with 1 unit in them and getting 200 is a major pain...
If you keep your mining laser running for a full cycle it will return a full cycles worth of ore.
But if you turn off your mining laser before the cycle has completed you will only get 1 unit of veld.
Not sure why this happens but it took me a while before I realized what I was doing wrong.
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Evachece
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Posted - 2007.01.17 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Matt Zun
Originally by: Evachece ...Just one word of advice before you go into the deadspace complex, mine 200 units of veldspar ahead of time, the asteroids they give you to mine only spawn with 1 unit in them and getting 200 is a major pain...
If you keep your mining laser running for a full cycle it will return a full cycles worth of ore.
But if you turn off your mining laser before the cycle has completed you will only get 1 unit of veld.
Not sure why this happens but it took me a while before I realized what I was doing wrong.
I tried that when i was starting and still only got 1 unit
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Strel Samodelkin
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.17 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mayoz Miner you can get a good frig from creation now (if you have the ISK). Did you go to Dead space for your kills? If you do the missions you will have tons of things to shoot at.
What happened to you (some guy shot some pirates that you thought where yours ?) is nothing compared to what could of happened to you, just move on and get more rats/missions. (on my first day some guydid this to me:-
Some Guy :- "Hey mate you new ?"
Me :- "yes mate I am"
Some guy :- "here take this stuff, it will help you" *Some Guy then jettisons some scordite* Some guy :- "Don't worry about the warnings mate its only me "
Me :- *Me takes scordite* "cheers mate you a............ BOOOOOOM "
Yes Some guy tricked me a blew me up, but I got a new ship and im doing well for myself. We actually had a longer convo than that but you get the idea. This is a great game I don't consider what happened to me griefing I consider it a learning experiance
P.S. try to use paragraphs or space your sentences as its hard for people to read and will not read it and carry on to the next post. Anyway g/l.
LOL! Thats great. In Star Wars Galaxies I used to tell people to "use the command /q to do a Quick Run"
Then LD would appear over their head. LOL!
(/q is a shortcut for /quit)
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Thaddeus Brutor
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.01.18 05:42:00 -
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Just responding about the camper just killing off the tutorial pirates: I don't recall which frigate it was, but there was a two-month old pilot in the deadspace that requires a data key to advance sitting there in a frigate. I was just zipping through the tutorial with a friend to show him how it worked (and because it's not very friendly to new players).
The guy wasn't even at the keyboard, and had drones sitting there orbitting him. There was a HUGE pile of wrecks around him; he was collecting 1000 ISK bounties while AFK by just letting his drones pop them, I guess. The little bastards would zip off and kill the spawning pirates very quickly, and had I been a new player, not accustomed to Ctrl-Clicking the overview and an experienced combat pilot, I would have had one hell of a time killing one of those pirates. Now in this instance, I just stole a key from a wreck (as the guy proved to be AFK) but that guy could have just as easily been sitting right there waiting for that to happen.
Griefers suck ass.
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sugark
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.01.18 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Thaddeus Brutor
I don't recall which frigate it was, but there was a two-month old pilot in the deadspace that requires a data key to advance sitting there in a frigate.
...right, so was this guy outside the acceleration gate of a new-player-training deadspace, or was he inside it? Because if he was just outside - nothing you can do. If he was inside, then there is something wrong because AFAIK only rookie shipes can go there. In that case whoever sees it happening should petition it.
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Shanur
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Posted - 2007.01.18 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: sugark
Originally by: Thaddeus Brutor
I don't recall which frigate it was, but there was a two-month old pilot in the deadspace that requires a data key to advance sitting there in a frigate.
...right, so was this guy outside the acceleration gate of a new-player-training deadspace, or was he inside it? Because if he was just outside - nothing you can do. If he was inside, then there is something wrong because AFAIK only rookie shipes can go there. In that case whoever sees it happening should petition it.
Must have been the first deadspace pocket. The very first gate doesn't require a key, just that all rats are destroyed.
Also, AFAIK the gate filters on size class, and an AF is still a frigate. |
Thaddeus Brutor
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.01.18 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: Thaddeus Brutor on 18/01/2007 13:03:56
Originally by: sugark
Originally by: Thaddeus Brutor
I don't recall which frigate it was, but there was a two-month old pilot in the deadspace that requires a data key to advance sitting there in a frigate.
...right, so was this guy outside the acceleration gate of a new-player-training deadspace, or was he inside it? Because if he was just outside - nothing you can do. If he was inside, then there is something wrong because AFAIK only rookie shipes can go there. In that case whoever sees it happening should petition it.
No, the gate required a key, and it was a frigate. It might have even been a newbie frigate, but I'm pretty sure you can take any frigate in, not just a newbie frigate. The Amarr newbie frigate has a drone bay. I don't know if any others do.
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Cors
Gallente Shadow Of The Light R i s e
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Posted - 2007.01.18 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mayoz Miner
Some Guy :- "Hey mate you new ?"
Me :- "yes mate I am"
Some guy :- "here take this stuff, it will help you" *Some Guy then jettisons some scordite* Some guy :- "Don't worry about the warnings mate its only me "
Me :- *Me takes scordite* "cheers mate you a............ BOOOOOOM "
That almost happened to me. Saw someone who was red in overview, so I ran. He messaged me to come back, and would give me stuff, etc., etc. When I got back, he wasn't red anymore, but someone in the newbie channel said to be wary, so I didn't grab the stuff, despite his encouragement.
Unfortunately, I've found much more creative ways to be killed in the meantime...
Back to topic--I haven't seen much of that kind of stuff (I've been here about a month). If nothing else, create a different character, which will probably "spawn" at a different base, giving you a chance to start somewhere else.
And ALWAYS be training. That's very important. Fair Travels! Cors
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Xi Xing
Gallente United Freelancers Organization
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Posted - 2007.02.06 14:29:00 -
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When i did my tutorial about a week ago, the first 'fight' I was supposed to have to get some kind of key was done for me by a large ship, surrounded by what I now know to be drones.
Confused me a bit at the time, but there's no reason to be upset by it, is there? The tutorial is still finishable, and I thought it was a suitably humbling introduction to a world as lethal as Eve, where there's always someone much tougher than you are. ---------------------------------------- Trainee Combat Pilot and Dronemistress "Say hello to my little friends" ---------------------------------------- |
Billy Sastard
Amarr Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.02.06 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Xi Xing When i did my tutorial about a week ago, the first 'fight' I was supposed to have to get some kind of key was done for me by a large ship, surrounded by what I now know to be drones.
Confused me a bit at the time, but there's no reason to be upset by it, is there? The tutorial is still finishable, and I thought it was a suitably humbling introduction to a world as lethal as Eve, where there's always someone much tougher than you are.
Only problem here is that 'huge ship' with all the drones can then lock you and blow you to smithereens when you open the wreck to retreive the key needed. -=^=-
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