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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2007.01.15 20:42:00 -
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I have not as yet flown it, but is the Moros really a good if not decent Bs killer?
I would imagine it would actually be out of place in most if not all fleets but that drone bonus really would upset a few ppl.
Whaddya reckon? Can it be effective as a fleet support with drones with the POS killer capability, or just as a pos killer with a drone bonus? Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing
There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus
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Corwain
Gallente Infinite Innovations
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Posted - 2007.01.15 20:47:00 -
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Dreadnauts are for taking down POSes, but of all the Dreads I'd say that a Moros in Seige would be almost like a "frontline style" carrier in utility if its drones get the 625% damage bonus from siege. Unfortunatly unlike the carrier you don't need to be locked down/bumped or even tackled in siege mode. Unfortunatly drones are slow, especially heavies so good luck getting the BSes to hang around while your drones kill em. Maybe if you had a few people tackling for you and the BSes you were up against were close range-setups.
No personal experience, just some thoughts on how it could play out. ;-)
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2007.01.15 20:50:00 -
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Yeah thats basically the idea.
It would be a bullet magnet, but then thats the idea due to it's tank, also with med t2 drones they are nippy as hell, quick enough to catch almost anything and have loads of damage.
Only trouble would be it's a bit of an expensive carrier, however I have always wanted to have one since they came out. Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing
There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus
pwnt - Immy!!!11 |
ThaMa Gebir
Gallente Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2007.01.15 20:52:00 -
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Actually if the test server is up tomorrow I will see if my skills are up to date and test it. Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing
There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus
pwnt - Immy!!!11 |
Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.01.16 01:48:00 -
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Look at the Drone bonuses for a Moros.
Yes, it's a BS killer.
But so is a Phoenix with a minny recon supporter.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Arushia
Nova Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.16 03:57:00 -
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Also consider Sentry Drones since they don't have any travel time. ---- I accept that this post reflects upon my corp, even if I claim it does not. |
Tunajuice
Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.16 04:12:00 -
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Well.. how many BS's does it take to be worth the 2 bil you lose when a few organized gankers come up and wtfpwn your dread?
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.01.16 05:26:00 -
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Originally by: Tunajuice Well.. how many BS's does it take to be worth the 2 bil you lose when a few organized gankers come up and wtfpwn your dread?
He stated it was for fleet defense. I'd imagine he wouldn't be jumping this thing headfirst into random fights. Or would he... --
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Kulmid
Bringers of Misfortune
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Posted - 2007.01.16 05:55:00 -
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Moros with Blasters, 2x webs and 2x target painters sounds interesting to me...
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2007.01.16 06:30:00 -
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Edited by: Goumindong on 16/01/2007 06:27:16 Depending on how much CPU you have to spare, drone range/speed/sentry damage augs can be handy.
With a single omnidirectional tracking link and 2 sentry damage rigs[which do NOT work at the moment, so dont install them yet], Warden I sentry drones will cap out at 867 DPS @ 75+25km.[62.5+25 without]
Garde I sentry Drones will cap out at 1157 DPS @ 30+10km.[25+10 without]
Hammerhead II's will cap out at 554 DPS and Hobgoblin II's will cap out at 346 DPS.
The sentry drones are nice for scoop and release[not that they should get damaged all that much with that HP bonus]. And the thermal drones nice for smaller ships.
Then all that is left is weathering the damage you expect to take.
And the balls to fly a 1 billion isk ship into general fleet combat of course. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew" |
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG
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Posted - 2007.01.16 07:48:00 -
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If you wan't to fly it in fleets you should propably consider the following:
Use sentry drones, as they are the only drones that will reach out and touch em to the ranges needed. Wardens and Bouncers have the range needed. Bouncers do more raw damage, and most ppl armour tank, so use them where you can. AFAIK the siege bonus does not effect drones. However the Moros gets 50%/lvl drone damage and hp. So that is the thing that helps you out most. Usually Sentry drones do too little damage to get anything done, but with the Moros boni, any BS within range is toast, if you set up right.
Next. You will need a full slave set. That gives you the durability you need. And you need to design your setup so that it can both sustain cap and have some extra, so that you can't be nossed silly. If you can't hold it without cap injectors, that's ok, since you have a lot of cargo hold and can fit a cap injector or two and keep em running for quite a while. I suggest you try the Quick fit program and see how long you can run your tank and keep dealing damage.
I've always wondered how efective dreads are with guns if you just web and paint your targets. After all they do have a decent ROF and do around 5k damage per shot. So try it with a huginn. And a support/logistic cruiser giving you tracking and sensor boost boni would not sound like a bad idea either. These are just figments of my twisted imagination, but if you go around getting rich with my ideas, remember to send me some iskies too ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |
Heikki
Gallente Wreckless Abandon The UnAssociated
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Posted - 2007.01.16 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: ThaMa Gebir is the Moros really a good .. Bs killer?
It's pretty good if fitted in such way. If you can afford to lose occasionally (you will) 1B after insurance in battle, it might give some fun moments.
- Fitted with blasters and double office/faction webs+disruptor, it can clear its webbing range pretty effectively, and use drones to get rid of tacklers at range. - Even out of siege mode gank-Moros will deal some 650 DPS from guns plus 900 from drones - In occasional fights next to stations it is pretty invulnerable if out of siege: not that many things can do the required 1.300.000+ raw damage within the 60s aggression timer
These assuming very light tank with no cap mods; will rely more on support ships if filled with cap rigs/chargers and tank mods.
-Lasse
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.16 09:15:00 -
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A moros with sentry drones is problematic. The drones often release outside 1.5km even when you're completely stationary. If you need to warp in a hurry, expect to lose the drones. Bring plenty of backups and don't hold out waiting for your ship to approach them so you can scoop before warping. As soon as they're launched, pretend they're dead. They're tech 1 and cheap to replace, your dread is technically tech 1 but isn't so easy to replace.
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.02 10:15:00 -
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Well guys your replies have helped.
I will test it all on sisi first.
Ty one and all. Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing
There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus
pwnt - Immy!!!11 |
Kunming
Outcasts
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Posted - 2007.02.02 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kulmid Moros with Blasters, 2x webs and 2x target painters sounds interesting to me...
Forget about webs, u aint gonna get in range to use em. Try tracking comps and tracking rigs, you will be able to hit nano-ing BSs cause of the MWD sig penalty and if they stop the MWD and get under blaster-tracking drones will take care of em in seconds.
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.02.02 10:32:00 -
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I've seen a moros's drones wipe out an entire t2 frig squad in a quick hurry.
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Dread Phantom
Caldari Project-Chaos
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Posted - 2007.02.04 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming
Originally by: Kulmid Moros with Blasters, 2x webs and 2x target painters sounds interesting to me...
Forget about webs, u aint gonna get in range to use em. Try tracking comps and tracking rigs, you will be able to hit nano-ing BSs cause of the MWD sig penalty and if they stop the MWD and get under blaster-tracking drones will take care of em in seconds.
arnt capital webs like 40k range (officer)
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.04 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: ThaMa Gebir on 04/02/2007 11:10:04
Originally by: Dread Phantom
Originally by: Kunming
Originally by: Kulmid Moros with Blasters, 2x webs and 2x target painters sounds interesting to me...
Forget about webs, u aint gonna get in range to use em. Try tracking comps and tracking rigs, you will be able to hit nano-ing BSs cause of the MWD sig penalty and if they stop the MWD and get under blaster-tracking drones will take care of em in seconds.
arnt capital webs like 40k range (officer)
Hmmmmm, could work, but I like the sound of it.
Could also be used as homeland security. Parked outside a station in low-sec or 0.0 with rails etc, lock on and *BOOM* one dead bs that just warped in. Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing
Funny, i'm still here - Petwraith
There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus
pwnt - Immy!!!11 |
Nyack
GREY COUNCIL Breidablik
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Posted - 2007.02.04 11:21:00 -
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well one thing to consider is that people nowadays have a tendancy to jump in carriers and mothership into regular fights.. have a dread or 2 on standby to aid your fleet woudl be a nasty suprise for ur enemy if they jump in carriers. i think as capital gets more and more common in regular fights dreads will be more and more in regular fights as anti capital.. even a motherships have a hard time if the dread gets lucky to hit while the mom is bumped by support.
been more and more fight when i am ****ed i didnt have a dread char ready to cyno in when enemies jumps in carriers. so dread pilots rejoyce there is room for you in the fleets =)
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Sokratesz
Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.02.04 11:34:00 -
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moros totally kicks ass :P
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2007.02.04 11:47:00 -
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Nice to hear, I am really looking forward to testing it out on sisi first, (just waiting on the mirror first) and I will get my corp to attack and see how long it could /will last against them on my own, then add the possibility of support......
Pwnage Lets see if my sig can survive this round of *****ing
Funny, i'm still here - Petwraith
There will be no survivors now that i'm around - Xorus
pwnt - Immy!!!11 |
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