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Mona Kasenumi
Wrong Cyno Brothers of Tangra
15
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Posted - 2015.12.17 00:05:05 -
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Hello,
I think that CCP does use chromium to give the game some cute browser capabilities. This same browser is quite outdated at the moment as it doesn't support the latest version of many things that exist out there (latest jquery, angular material, bootstrap 4 and so on).
Can we have a version update pretty please? It would help a LOT as we would be able to use the latest tech in our tools.
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Mr Twinkie
Black Serpent Technologies The-Culture
30
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Posted - 2015.12.17 00:53:47 -
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CCP has stated the IGB will be going away eventually.
Which is why most devs will tell you not to bother coding for it anymore.
MAMBA Head of IT
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Mona Kasenumi
Wrong Cyno Brothers of Tangra
15
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Posted - 2015.12.17 01:50:20 -
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I know, but this might take a *long* while |
Mr Twinkie
Black Serpent Technologies The-Culture
30
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Posted - 2015.12.17 02:14:45 -
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I'd rather they just pull the plug and have links open oog already... any modern site is broken as all hell igb
MAMBA Head of IT
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Mona Kasenumi
Wrong Cyno Brothers of Tangra
15
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Posted - 2015.12.17 02:36:42 -
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Everyone would love that, but until then its not really cool to just limit what devs could do due old tech.
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David Davaham
0
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Posted - 2015.12.18 07:44:01 -
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The devs are not being limited if they don't intent for the site to be opened in the IGB.
It actually lifts the limit and allows them to build a modern site. That is one of the things that got to me right after I started playing the game. I hated that the devs that have developed awesome sites for the game had to make the site look like crap because the IGB was is incapable of understanding modern code. |
Louis Vitton
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
83
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Posted - 2015.12.18 08:53:03 -
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Mona Kasenumi wrote:Everyone would love that, but until then its not really cool to just limit what devs could do due old tech.
In simple terms why invest time / money in something that currently works in a limited fashion that they have stated they want to remove. |
Mr Twinkie
Black Serpent Technologies The-Culture
30
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Posted - 2015.12.18 09:26:52 -
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I can't see it being that hard to launch links in an oog browser.. Hell making a browser launch in an overlay like say steam should be easy as balls.
MAMBA Head of IT
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
4195
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Posted - 2015.12.18 11:27:36 -
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If I get my way the IGB will get nuked next year. I hope to have a location service in CREST early next year so we can start the major transition away from it.
@CCP_FoxFour // Technical Designer // Team Tech Co
Third-party developer? Check out the official developers site for dev blogs, resources, and more.
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Equto
Imperium Technologies DARKNESS.
50
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Posted - 2015.12.18 12:42:38 -
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Socks a big meany pushing around the IGB, saying hes going to kill it and get rid of it |
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Max Kolonko
WATAHA. Fidelas Constans
579
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Posted - 2015.12.18 12:53:04 -
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Hey FoxFour, what if instead of nuking it completly just remove all igb integration. So no location cia headers and no igb java script. But leave it as an in-game browser for links.
Maybe thus way you dont have to make new version everytime chromium get updated?
And we can still use crest tools in game without alt tabing.
Also i have only one monitor so its kind of touchy subject for me and all overlay browsers ive tried are s#?!t compared to igb. And no, im not going to rearrange my apartament to fit second monitor unless i see two monitors on eve online minimal system requirements page.
Read and support:
Don't mess with OUR WH's
What is Your stance on WH stuff?
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
4198
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Posted - 2015.12.19 13:46:22 -
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Max Kolonko wrote:Also i have only one monitor so its kind of touchy subject for me and all overlay browsers ive tried are s#?!t compared to igb. And no, im not going to rearrange my apartament to fit second monitor unless i see two monitors on eve online minimal system requirements page.
What do you use the IGB for?
@CCP_FoxFour // Technical Designer // Team Tech Co
Third-party developer? Check out the official developers site for dev blogs, resources, and more.
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
4198
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Posted - 2015.12.19 13:46:51 -
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Equto wrote:Socks a big meany pushing around the IGB, saying hes going to kill it and get rid of it
I have the gun loaded and ready, just waiting for the IGB to make its peace first. :P
@CCP_FoxFour // Technical Designer // Team Tech Co
Third-party developer? Check out the official developers site for dev blogs, resources, and more.
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Max Kolonko
WATAHA. Fidelas Constans
579
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Posted - 2015.12.19 15:54:56 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Max Kolonko wrote:Also i have only one monitor so its kind of touchy subject for me and all overlay browsers ive tried are s#?!t compared to igb. And no, im not going to rearrange my apartament to fit second monitor unless i see two monitors on eve online minimal system requirements page. What do you use the IGB for?
Siggy obviously to map whs, to set dedtination to/from entrence and show info on system
Dotlan and other map tools to set destination, add waypoints and show info on sysyems
Dotlan radar to see where i am (tell ui guys to fix map btw, its beauty but not much location awareness available)
Fleetup to open market for specific item and ingame fit screen
Various market tools to open market info on item and show info
ZKillboard links from chat
Adashboard and other intell tools to copy paste stuf from game into page or read others results
Paplinks
Cat pics from chat
UNTILL RECENTLY FOR GDOCS HEAVILY
I think that covers most of my usage
Read and support:
Don't mess with OUR WH's
What is Your stance on WH stuff?
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Lucius Victus
Repercussus Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.12.20 03:53:14 -
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I don't understand why you guys WANT to get rid of it. Like Max above me I absolute love the thing. Like the site that has all our fits. It's so much easier to navigate through doctrines than through the fitting browser. Market tools also use the IGB in pretty nifty ways. When I still lived in wormholes the mappers we used also had IGB functions that I used a lot.
I guess a lot of people have dual screens (or more) these days but it would be quite a hassle if you're one of the guys with only 1 screen and have to tab out all the time. Like I said, I have no idea why you guys would want to get rid of it instead of expanding on it. But if you don't want to update it just leave it as it is
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Soleil Fournier
Ultimatum. The Bastion
55
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:02:32 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:What do you use the IGB for?
Dotlan, eve-central, killboards, jump planner are all easier to use with the IGB rather than alt-tabbing every single time I want to change something on those websites and then compare it in game.
It's also super nice when people paste links to websites in chat that I don't have to go out of game to open the link. And heck, just going to Google is much nicer when I don't have to alt tab out of the game to do it.
The IGB is super useful to us for game related purposes (and non related as well)and I think that's being under-appreciated by the devs. |
xHjfx
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
11
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:32:50 -
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It would be nice if you guys replace it with CEF (https://bitbucket.org/chromiumembedded/cef) or update your existing implementation rather than just outright kill it .
Sometimes it's more convenient to check things ingame rather than look at it OOG and that is something that CREST doesn't solve. |
Mona Kasenumi
Wrong Cyno Brothers of Tangra
15
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Posted - 2015.12.20 06:27:59 -
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Glad that this turned in an useful discussion!!
If you are able to give us a modern IGB (with CEF maybe? or whatever thing that is easy for you guys to keep without worrying too much about) plus the ingame javascript capability that we have today, you could get ride of the entire header thing as this is even not really secure for devs to rely on.
The javascript lib to open things ingame and set routes is quite useful. |
Haffsol
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Posted - 2015.12.20 11:02:44 -
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Max Kolonko wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:What do you use the IGB for? Siggy obviously to map whs, to set dedtination to/from entrence and show info on system Dotlan and other map tools to set destination, add waypoints and show info on sysyems Dotlan radar to see where i am (tell ui guys to fix map btw, its beauty but not much location awareness available) Fleetup to open market for specific item and ingame fit screen Various market tools to open market info on item and show info ZKillboard links from chat Adashboard and other intell tools to copy paste stuf from game into page or read others results Paplinks Cat pics from chat UNTILL RECENTLY FOR GDOCS HEAVILY I think that covers most of my usage
^ This.
That being said I really hope CCP decides which way to go: invest some effort and make it really useful and not that sort of minmatar tool which is today or get rid of it providing a way to have all those FUNDAMENTAL features (mostly tracking position and sharing info with fleet/corp mates) via CREST or whatever means can guarantee to be not exploited by foes and third parties in general.
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xHjfx
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
11
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Posted - 2015.12.20 11:31:31 -
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Well the current IGB was leaps ahead of the old one however it was also meant to be easier to maintain and see updates but they left it without attention for years without addressing it then came out by stating oh it's old, out of date and is planned for removal.
Even if they had committed to a yearly/bi-yearly update, it would have been in a better state.
To be honest FoxFour seems pretty set in his ways and has been running telemetry on how the IGB is being used - so it's definitely going whether we like it or not judging by his last post on here. |
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Stable Cusp
Quintec Wormhole Exploration
7
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Posted - 2015.12.20 12:40:12 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:What do you use the IGB for?
Automagical mapping and mass monitoring wormholes in siggy. Different points in different clients.
I have a website to calculate components for T2/T3 builds that uses IGB javascript to open buy windows.
Checking chat links, without having to right-click, copy, alt-tab, paste, alt-tab.
If you've got a scheme for transparently passing information between the whole ecosystem of OGBs and multiple, distinct clients, please give us a hint. I can see how interactive CREST can do some of those functions, but it seems like some of those would be really awkward. Coordinating three or four clients with three or four OGB windows linked to each account seems unpleasantly more complicated than an IGB. Passing messages from an OGB to the client seems like a massive opportunity for abuse. |
SJ Astralana
Syncore
136
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Posted - 2015.12.20 20:56:44 -
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I use it to pop up buy orders from item links as well as to easily see my production business alongside client windows. I would gladly tolerate the javascript quirks in exchange for a sell item popup and update buy/sell popups keyed on asset id. I also play on a single monitor and it would be a hassle to half-screen browser and client.
Hyperdrive your production business: Eve Production Manager
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BigSako
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
119
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Posted - 2015.12.21 14:42:41 -
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SJ Astralana wrote:I use it to pop up buy orders from item links as well as to easily see my production business alongside client windows. I would gladly tolerate the javascript quirks in exchange for a sell item popup and update buy/sell popups keyed on asset id. I also play on a single monitor and it would be a hassle to half-screen browser and client.
Same here. I have an IGB site where I mainly use the commands to pop up the buy item window. Though I'd love to see (and test, CCP feel free to contact me!) any new mechanic with CREST that allows the same behaviour.
edit: the exact methods I am using are: CCPEVE.showMarketDetails( ... ) as well as CCPEVE.buyType( ... ) |
BigSako
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
119
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Posted - 2015.12.21 14:47:47 -
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Stable Cusp wrote:Passing messages from an OGB to the client seems like a massive opportunity for abuse.
Yes and no. If CCP enables this, they can not claim that someone hacked the game etc... So if they enable it, they will most likely only have CREST stuff available, which will also slow down some things ... |
Mhari Dson
Lazy Brothers Inc
125
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Posted - 2015.12.29 19:37:33 -
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Max Kolonko wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Max Kolonko wrote:Also i have only one monitor so its kind of touchy subject for me and all overlay browsers ive tried are s#?!t compared to igb. And no, im not going to rearrange my apartament to fit second monitor unless i see two monitors on eve online minimal system requirements page. What do you use the IGB for? Siggy obviously to map whs, to set dedtination to/from entrence and show info on system Dotlan and other map tools to set destination, add waypoints and show info on sysyems Dotlan radar to see where i am (tell ui guys to fix map btw, its beauty but not much location awareness available) Fleetup to open market for specific item and ingame fit screen Various market tools to open market info on item and show info ZKillboard links from chat Adashboard and other intell tools to copy paste stuf from game into page or read others results Paplinks Cat pics from chat UNTILL RECENTLY FOR GDOCS HEAVILY I think that covers most of my usage
+1 to all of these |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Phoebe Freeport Republic
1693
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Posted - 2015.12.29 20:38:55 -
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Max Kolonko wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Max Kolonko wrote:Also i have only one monitor so its kind of touchy subject for me and all overlay browsers ive tried are s#?!t compared to igb. And no, im not going to rearrange my apartament to fit second monitor unless i see two monitors on eve online minimal system requirements page. What do you use the IGB for? Siggy obviously to map whs, to set dedtination to/from entrence and show info on system Dotlan and other map tools to set destination, add waypoints and show info on sysyems Dotlan radar to see where i am (tell ui guys to fix map btw, its beauty but not much location awareness available) Fleetup to open market for specific item and ingame fit screen Various market tools to open market info on item and show info ZKillboard links from chat Adashboard and other intell tools to copy paste stuf from game into page or read others results Paplinks Cat pics from chat UNTILL RECENTLY FOR GDOCS HEAVILY I think that covers most of my usage Me too on this. I never understood the whole 'CREST will replace the IGB' line. I use it to browse sites in game when I'm in full screen mode. I never understood how crest was going to allow that but gathered that the IGB was more of a link to the data in game instead of a dedicated browser. Then it makes sense to replace it with crest but I don't think you get how nice it is to have in game for just general use. When google docs became available then we really could have spreadsheets in space. It was a huge bonus to so many things.
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xHjfx
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
15
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Posted - 2015.12.29 22:38:59 -
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Zifrian wrote:Max Kolonko wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Max Kolonko wrote:Also i have only one monitor so its kind of touchy subject for me and all overlay browsers ive tried are s#?!t compared to igb. And no, im not going to rearrange my apartament to fit second monitor unless i see two monitors on eve online minimal system requirements page. What do you use the IGB for? Siggy obviously to map whs, to set dedtination to/from entrence and show info on system Dotlan and other map tools to set destination, add waypoints and show info on sysyems Dotlan radar to see where i am (tell ui guys to fix map btw, its beauty but not much location awareness available) Fleetup to open market for specific item and ingame fit screen Various market tools to open market info on item and show info ZKillboard links from chat Adashboard and other intell tools to copy paste stuf from game into page or read others results Paplinks Cat pics from chat UNTILL RECENTLY FOR GDOCS HEAVILY I think that covers most of my usage Me too on this. I never understood the whole 'CREST will replace the IGB' line. I use it to browse sites in game when I'm in full screen mode. I never understood how crest was going to allow that but gathered that the IGB was more of a link to the data in game instead of a dedicated browser. Then it makes sense to replace it with crest but I don't think you get how nice it is to have in game for just general use. When google docs became available then we really could have spreadsheets in space. It was a huge bonus to so many things.
The IGB provides headers such as the pilots location, name, etc which is what CREST will provide I figure - it won't replace the ability to browse ingame which they want to remove. |
Kelath Erebus
T.I.C Solyaris Chtonium
1
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Posted - 2015.12.31 17:32:22 -
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I posted this in another browser related thread. But...
Since you're set on removing the browser app, perhaps replace it with a beacon app. What I mean is, a pilot clicks on the app and can enter a series of URLs perhaps with a status toggle (on/off). Every time a pilot switches systems the beacon app fires a JSON formatted POST to the URLs that are "on".
This would allow for pilots to send the data in the browser header to the websites in a nicely formatted manner, without having to continue to manage the in-game browser in all its modified glory.
This could be expanded down the road, so perhaps specific actions fire off the beacon. I could see this useful for mining, for instance next to the URL in the beacon app there is a "config/settings/options" button. Select that and a modal pops-up providing the pilot the ability to choose what data they want sent to the URL, include additional things that perhaps are already logged locally, like mining data, combat data. It would be infinitely useful to have such data automatically sent to web applications for consumption when they occur.
I would imagine the above would be a lot easier to manage then the full modified web browser, while still providing the pilots of EVE the ability to send live data to web applications and potentially data that isn't already available over time. The possibilities are endless and they wouldn't tax the EVE servers as much I would imagine as if we have to ping the CREST server constantly on combat opps for locational data on fleet activities.
Just my two cents!
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Louis Vitton
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
86
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Posted - 2016.01.01 10:00:53 -
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What your describing with "beacon" is whats called "long polling" or "webSockets". I personally would prefer CCP to implement webSockets for some things, i believe this should be configured out of game like the API, if not configured it could be tied to crest and require a specific authentication scope in Oauth2, register for the webSocket and then wait for the data to flow..
Here is some information on it. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10028770/html5-websocket-vs-long-polling-vs-ajax-vs-webrtc-vs-server-sent-events |
Kelath Erebus
T.I.C Solyaris Chtonium
1
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Posted - 2016.01.02 01:54:49 -
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I don't see EVE creating a special API outside of CREST since that's what they're trying to push and move everything too and I haven't played around with CREST yet to formulate a response. One thing I understand about CREST is like the API it relies on the website to make requests to EVE, so unlike beacon which would be active once the pilot starts EVE, with CREST you'd have to check to see what pilots are online I'd imagine then start pulling the what would have been in the header data or JSON data with beacon. Plus with CREST you're restricted by the number of requests which isn't a problem for small corps, but could be an issue for larger alliances or popular sites providing tools utilizing for multiple corps and alliances. |
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