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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.12.20 02:48:08 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote: Can you read minds?
Carefull now, if anyone can ...
Better the Devil you know.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26537
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Posted - 2015.12.20 02:55:34 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Well then. As long as one believes they can dismiss things to make themselves appear to be in the right. You really should stop doing that, because it's not a particularly constructive avenue.
Quote:If there are no carebears in EVE because there is no-carebear activity I'll stop you right there because you got 7 words in before getting it wrong. There are carebears in EVE. They just aren't defined by any kind of GÇ£carebear activityGÇ¥ for the simple reason that there is no such thing GÇö the activity is not the defining characteristic.
What gives me the power the define carebears as GÇ£thought crimeGÇ¥ is the very simple fact that their assumptions about how the game work do not match how the game actually works. Now, thought crime is a bit harsh a term GÇö I don't know why you'd pick that one GÇö it's more a case of confusion and/or ignorance.
Quote:Either you are a carebear through your actions or you aren't. Nope. Either you are a carebear because you approach everything you do with a carebear attitude or you're not because you don't. The actions are a consequence, not the underlying cause.
Try this analogy on for size: you are not hungry because you're eating; you're hungry because your body is concerned about your blood sugar levels. This may cause you to eat, but you can also choose not to just as you can choose to eat without actually being hungry.
Quote:Simply saying you are carebear because you disagree with your world view is not really a scientific method. Good thing that no-one is actually saying that, then.
Quote:So if carebears are only defined by how people think and not act, how do you determine who they are? They're very vocal in what attitude they take towards what goes on around themGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1137
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Posted - 2015.12.20 02:55:36 -
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Paul Pohl wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Whith all your psuedo-logic. And that is before you get to the issue of why anyone gives a toss about the term 'carebear' - that is little more than an epithet thrown around by the cauliflower'd eared and brainless when losing an argument.
It maybe my third glass of Chardonay, but I can't tell if this is for or against my proposition.
Either way, I won't retract. I pestered Tippia back in 2013 and they do not have to reply to my posts if they didn't want to.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1137
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Posted - 2015.12.20 03:04:31 -
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I haven't played since 2014 and the thing that struck me about the forums is that there was no threads about griefing or bad behavior on GD. Which leads me to believe that most people either don't care or if they did quit.
Suffice to say, you are basically saying that you and you alone are allowed to define what a carebear is and which is defined through attitude and thoughts rather than actions.
How can you determine thoughts without action... Do you go about reviewing forum posts and saying "Obviously this poster is a carebear because he disagrees with my world view." Categorizes persons by thoughts is dangerous behavior because it does not get to the root of the problem.
I think the issue of "Carebears are out to ruin my game" is a problem with logic. Its as if you are afraid that forums posts will convice CCP to remove all PVP from the game and turn it into a theme park.
Yet I see no evidence for this... Can you post evidence of this great carebear conspiracy to ruin your game. Can you post the long list of threads in ideas and suggesions in the past 6 months that request removing of PVP from high sec?
I think this all imagined fear.
This carebear derogatory terms are used to belittle people who you believe do not agree with your world view. Yet I see little evidence that these people even exist.
Even if they did, what harm does it do for them to complain? Do you think that this game will be shut down because a handful of people compalined about being ganked?
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26540
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Posted - 2015.12.20 03:14:33 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Suffice to say, you are basically saying that you and you alone are allowed to define what a carebear is and which is defined through attitude and thoughts rather than actions. No, it's not just me, as this thread instantly proves.
Quote:How can you determine thoughts without action. Through their explicit and vocal expression. For all the scorn often heaped on carebears, they aren't literally toddlers GÇö they don't have to scream and throw their toys out of the pram to get their thoughts and ideas across, but can actually use proper words.
Quote:I think the issue of "Carebears are out to ruin my game" is GǪnot particularly relevant to the topic at hand, and largely a strawman even if it were.
Quote:This carebear derogatory terms are used to belittle people who you believe do not agree with your world view. Yet I see little evidence that these people even exist. If that's the case, it's most likely because you use a non-indicative characteristic as your indicator.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
708
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Posted - 2015.12.20 03:16:16 -
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Funny thing enough is that by the time I had arrived in Eve, I had already learned how to ignore other people's use of words or phrases like that and focus on your own interpretations instead. In the military we got called POG's, which meant "Person (or Personnel) Other than Grunt", which just simply means you're "not in an 03 field" as it were, like 0311 is rifleman and 0321 is Recon. Not really a derogatory label, more of a classification, just less formal than the actual use of a Military Occupation Specialty number. Sometimes POG was used by other Marines like it meant you were a lower tier, but in reality, it had nothing to do with a person's qualities. Add the fact that if over four years active service in the USMC has taught me anything, it's to keep a sense of humor even in serious conditions and that having a thick skin when interaction with other humans is absolutely essential to not loosing your freaking mind.
By the time I got to Eve, words and phrases, like "carebear" just as POG was to me, became mostly neutral to begin with and left up to interpretation. It's how one chooses to interpret and use them that matters the most when it comes to how someone takes being called something. "Carebear" is entirely neutral and subjective in my eyes, even when someone else tries to use it offensively like it means they are above me in some fashion. To some, it means you avoid or run away from PvP. To some, it simply means you don't play Eve in either an OFP sense or cooperative sense, rather than in a competitive sense. It even means to some that a carebear is the victim, where as a non-carebear is the ganker...pretty low on the creativity side, I agree, but it's how some think I suppose.
To me, it's a term that defines a person playing a multiplayer game WITHOUT actively interacting with other players, cooperatively or competitively, with friends or total strangers, much as they would a single-player game offline. If you play a game like Eve for as long as I and others have without interfacing with others in some way, be it working with others in mining or running missions or going solo in low looking for a fight, then you are a carebear. Doesn't mean you less than those who aren't, you're just simply a carebear. Call it being anti-social while, ironically, playing a game built around social interaction. Hey, sometimes people are just people. If someone wants to call me carebear because I don't PvP, but I run missions in high sec and occasionally run exploration sites, that's there prerogative. Not quite my definition, so if that were the case, I tend to ignore that kind of thinking and just go with what sounds appropriate to me.
And, in the event anyone is curious, I was 1142: Electrical Engineer Repair Specialist. In Layman's terms, generator mechanic, though oddly I spent most of my time in other various billets that had either little or nothing to do with providing a field op power. All in all, I probably had just under a year total experience being an actual "genny mech". Simper Gumby: Always Flexible.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1137
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Posted - 2015.12.20 03:21:15 -
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Tippia wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Suffice to say, you are basically saying that you and you alone are allowed to define what a carebear is and which is defined through attitude and thoughts rather than actions. No, it's not just me, as this thread instantly proves. Quote:How can you determine thoughts without action. Through their explicit and vocal expression. For all the scorn often heaped on carebears, they aren't literally toddlers GÇö they don't have to scream and throw their toys out of the pram to get their thoughts and ideas across, but can actually use proper words. Quote:I think the issue of "Carebears are out to ruin my game" is GǪnot particularly relevant to the topic at hand, and largely a strawman even if it were. Quote:This carebear derogatory terms are used to belittle people who you believe do not agree with your world view. Yet I see little evidence that these people even exist. If that's the case, it's most likely because you use a non-indicative characteristic as your indicator.
I'm rather disapointed with your post. You did not address my point of "So even if you are allowed to determine who is and isn't a carebear, then where is the great carebear conspiracy ruining your game?"
Maybe I did not express it well enough, but lets say I concede that you can condemn people through their thoughts rather than actions (which pray no real world court would ever do), where is the harm that they are doing?
Are they ruining your game somehow? Do you have to retort every single one of their complaints because of fears that your own case is so invalid that CCP will simply change the game at the first hint of carebear complaints?
Why do you have to degrade these players? Why are you so intolerant? Is it because you fear the stregnth of your own arguments?
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
420
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Posted - 2015.12.20 03:22:18 -
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Woops a daisy. I should have known putting the word carebear in my title would effectively create a troll post, Been gone too long, it was a total lapse, my bad.
Trolling is for alts.
I just want to get a plex as fast as i can so i dont have to worry about resubbing, 15 dollars is Cat litter and Food for my cat, or 2 Grams of Weed, i'd rather spend it on that then on this game--Rogue Mime
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26540
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Posted - 2015.12.20 03:24:05 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:I'm rather disapointed with your post. You did not address my point of "So even if you are allowed to determine who is and isn't a carebear, then where is the great carebear conspiracy ruining your game?" Because it is a nonsensical (and off-topic) strawman.
Quote:Maybe I did not express it well enough, but lets say I concede that you can condemn people through their thoughts rather than actions (which pray no real world court would ever do) Courts do what I'm describing all the time. It's called GÇ£pleading guiltyGÇ¥.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
9237
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Posted - 2015.12.20 03:27:16 -
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Paul Pohl wrote:So if carebears are only defined by how people think and not act, how do you determine who they are? How do you define someone as either a "wuss" or "macho?" How do you define someone as either a "nerd" or a "bro?" How do you define someone as either "conservative" or "adventurous?"
It really comes down to how people think. A "wuss" can perform some very "macho" things if put in the right circumstances... but they will still be a wuss because of how they think and act. A "macho" person can sometimes be a "wuss" about some issues/things... but they can still be considered "macho" because that is how they think and act. A "nerd" can do some very "bro-ish" things... but based on how they think and act they will still be a nerd. A "bro" can be a "nerd" about certain things... but they will still be a bro based on how they think and act. A "conservative" person can do some of the most insanely adventurous things... but they will still be "conservative" based on how they think and act. An "adventurous" person can be fairly conservative... but they will be considered "adventurous" because how they generally think and act.
This isn't a "thought police" thing. It isn't even an "action" thing. It is a mentality thing. And that mentality is pretty easy to pick up if you listen to someone.
Oh yeah...
Paul Pohl wrote:But by definition all non PVP activity is Carebear. Not by CCP's definition. All activities are PvP.
It even says so in the Official New Player FAQ found in New Citizens Q&A (hint: scroll down to page 22)
Captain Tardbar wrote:Maybe I did not express it well enough, but lets say I concede that you can condemn people through their thoughts rather than actions (which pray no real world court would ever do), Nope. They do.
It is called "Mens rea"
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
421
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Posted - 2015.12.20 03:28:27 -
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But the Tippia/Capt Tardbar argument does bring out the reason I posted. The attitude of my friends in FEAR was pretty much the same as Capt. Tardbar's. Tippia is arguing what I always believed before joining FEAR.
I guess it is a charged term like Family Value and should be ignored since everyone has their own idea what it means. Thanks for your input everyone. You've clarified a lot for me.
I just want to get a plex as fast as i can so i dont have to worry about resubbing, 15 dollars is Cat litter and Food for my cat, or 2 Grams of Weed, i'd rather spend it on that then on this game--Rogue Mime
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1137
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Posted - 2015.12.20 03:31:20 -
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Tippia wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:I'm rather disapointed with your post. You did not address my point of "So even if you are allowed to determine who is and isn't a carebear, then where is the great carebear conspiracy ruining your game?" Because it is a nonsensical (and off-topic) strawman. Quote:Maybe I did not express it well enough, but lets say I concede that you can condemn people through their thoughts rather than actions (which pray no real world court would ever do) Courts do what I'm describing all the time. It's called GÇ£pleading guiltyGÇ¥.
That is terrible logic. I feel bad for you.
If we are talking about carebears, then why is the topic of why we must fight them off topic. Certainly the fact we get to define them as carebears is not, but why they are bad is off topic. Simply impudious.
I assume you dismiss them as off topic as a way to shield yoursef from having the admit that you cannot prove their is this "great carebear" consipracy out to ruin your game.
Also pleading guilty only admits guilt to actions that were illegal. Its not about thinking illegal thoughts but rather actions. Though conspriacy is a gray area thought legally dubious in my eyes.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26540
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Posted - 2015.12.20 03:31:49 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:But the Tippia/Capt Tardbar argument does bring out the reason I posted. The attitude of my friends in FEAR was pretty much the same as Capt. Tardbar's. Tippia is arguing what I always believed before joining FEAR.
I guess it is a charged term like Family Value and should be ignored since everyone has their own idea what it means. Thanks for your input everyone. You've clarified a lot for me. You should introduce them to the term GÇ£krabGÇ¥, which is probably more precise (and nearly different) for what they're trying to describe.
Captain Tardbar wrote:That is terrible logic. How so?
Quote:If we are talking about carebears, then why is the topic of why we must fight them off topic. Because we're not talking about this conspiracy you believe in GÇö we're talking about the meaning of the word. Your little fantasy has nothing to do with what the OP is asking about.
Quote:Certainly the fact we get to define them as carebears is not, but why they are bad is off topic. Correct. The latter is of no relevance to the former.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
421
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Posted - 2015.12.20 03:34:42 -
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ok, I have to admit I don't know the term krab.
Also,
Shawfluffers. I remember that Veteran Start thread! Good stuff.
I just want to get a plex as fast as i can so i dont have to worry about resubbing, 15 dollars is Cat litter and Food for my cat, or 2 Grams of Weed, i'd rather spend it on that then on this game--Rogue Mime
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26543
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Posted - 2015.12.20 03:38:01 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:ok, I have to admit I don't know the term krab. I'll steal it from someone else:
It's a Russian thing. It's actually this neat little cross section of a bunch of different memes:
* Russians in many MMOs refer to ****** players as crabs, insinuating that they can't play well when they've got claws instead of fingers. (I want to say this started in DOTA, actually, but idk; it's definitely been a thing in WoW in Russia for ages)
* Russians in many MMOs refer to RMTs as "-Ç-¦-¦" -- this is a Russian noun with multiple meanings. In a medical context, -Ç-¦-¦ = cancer. But -Ç-¦-¦ is also a slang term for crawfish. (Zodiac signs, etc.)
* A few years ago Putin made a famous speech where he complained that being President was a lot of work -- the phrase he used was "-ƒ-¦-à-¦-+, -¦-¦-¦ -Ç-¦-¦ -+-¦ -¦-¦-+-¦-Ç-¦-à" which translates to "plowed, like a slave on a galley." However, "-¦-¦-¦ -Ç-¦-¦" (like a slave) sounds nearly identical to "-¦-¦-¦ -¦-Ç-¦-¦" (like a crab). So, a ton of memes popped up, and are still around today, of Putin being a crab, and -¦-Ç-¦-¦ itself became a slang term for working hard, usually in a deprecating/mocking sense.
There's certainly some overlap with carebearing, but focuses a bit more on just grinding and not having much in the way of offensive capability.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1137
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Posted - 2015.12.20 03:41:43 -
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Tippia wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:But the Tippia/Capt Tardbar argument does bring out the reason I posted. The attitude of my friends in FEAR was pretty much the same as Capt. Tardbar's. Tippia is arguing what I always believed before joining FEAR.
I guess it is a charged term like Family Value and should be ignored since everyone has their own idea what it means. Thanks for your input everyone. You've clarified a lot for me. You should introduce them to the term GÇ£krabGÇ¥, which is probably more precise (and nearly different) for what they're trying to describe. Captain Tardbar wrote:That is terrible logic. How so? Quote:If we are talking about carebears, then why is the topic of why we must fight them off topic. Because we're not talking about this conspiracy you believe in GÇö we're talking about the meaning of the word. Your little fantasy has nothing to do with what the OP is asking about. Quote:Certainly the fact we get to define them as carebears is not, but why they are bad is off topic. Correct. The latter is of no relevance to the former.
Ok. So we can agre that there is no carebear conspiracy out to ruin your game?
I still do not think attitude is good enough to define any classification...
I could tell you I am against PVP and yet gank miners so you would call me a carebear because of my attitude.
Hrm... I guess that is a problem with EVE as it is difficult to determine actions as well as thoughts other than looking at kill mail history.
Which might make the whole carebear definition thing pointless other than "I think people who disagree with me must be labeled carebears."
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
422
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Posted - 2015.12.20 03:41:45 -
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Ahh thanks for that Tippia. Is that usage of Cancer related at all to the current EVE meme of throwing that term around? I come back and people are using the word cancer a lot, I can't help but wonder if it is just a new word for broken.
I just want to get a plex as fast as i can so i dont have to worry about resubbing, 15 dollars is Cat litter and Food for my cat, or 2 Grams of Weed, i'd rather spend it on that then on this game--Rogue Mime
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
9238
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Posted - 2015.12.20 03:45:05 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Which might make the whole carebear definition thing pointless other than "I think people who disagree with me must be labeled carebears." Nope. It is more specific than that.
How did you Veterans start?
The Skillpoint System and You
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1137
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Posted - 2015.12.20 03:47:55 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Which might make the whole carebear definition thing pointless other than "I think people who disagree with me must be labeled carebears." Nope. It is more specific than that.
So what is your specific definition for carebear... Hopefully defined with something other than just attitude as attitude is subjective and not objective.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26543
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Posted - 2015.12.20 03:52:30 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Ok. So we can agre that there is no carebear conspiracy out to ruin your game? No. If you like, we can agree that it's a nonsensical strawman that you created to drag the thread off topicGǪ
Quote:I still do not think attitude is good enough to define any classification. That's really your problem, since attitude is a massively common method of classification. The above examples of macho and bro and nerd demonstrates the inherently flaw of your thinking GÇö you're effectively saying that they have no meaning.
Quote:I could tell you I am against PVP and yet gank miners so you would call me a carebear because of my attitude. Not really, no.
Quote:attitude is subjective and not objective. Lol no.
Iria Ahrens wrote:Ahh thanks for that Tippia. Is that usage of Cancer related at all to the current EVE meme of throwing that term around? I come back and people are using the word cancer a lot, I can't help but wonder if it is just a new word for broken No idea. I just came across it as a much-needed non-shitheel version of GÇ£jewingGÇ¥.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
9239
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Posted - 2015.12.20 03:55:14 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Which might make the whole carebear definition thing pointless other than "I think people who disagree with me must be labeled carebears." Nope. It is more specific than that. So what is your specific definition for carebear... Hopefully defined with something other than just attitude as attitude is subjective and not objective. Here. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6231338#post6231338
It is defined by specific attitude. Not a general one.
As I implied in my post on page 2... mentality can be defined when specified.
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1137
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Posted - 2015.12.20 03:59:41 -
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Tippia wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Ok. So we can agre that there is no carebear conspiracy out to ruin your game? No. If you like, we can agree that it's a nonsensical strawman that you created to drag the thread off topicGǪ
Hrm... I'm tempted to drop the topic now as you you said no which means you believe there is a grand carebear conspiracy which say a lot I suppose. Ice belts are almost up anyways.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26543
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:01:13 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Hrm... I'm tempted to drop the topic now as you you said no which means you believe there is a grand carebear conspiracy Nope. That's just you reaching for yet another strawman to replace your old one.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1137
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:01:19 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Which might make the whole carebear definition thing pointless other than "I think people who disagree with me must be labeled carebears." Nope. It is more specific than that. So what is your specific definition for carebear... Hopefully defined with something other than just attitude as attitude is subjective and not objective. Here. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6231338#post6231338 It is defined by specific attitude. Not a general one. And yes... as I implied in my post on page 2... mentality can be "objective" when specified.
Well I would agree with your post. However it specifically mentions actions, not attitude.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1137
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:02:43 -
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Tippia wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Hrm... I'm tempted to drop the topic now as you you said no which means you believe there is a grand carebear conspiracy Nope. That's just you reaching for yet another strawman to replace your old one.
So I asked you a question. If you said no to "Is there a great carebear conspiracy out to ruin your game?" then it means you do not believe in it.
So either you believe in it or not. It can't be neither.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26543
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:05:13 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Well I would agree with your post. However it specifically mentions actions, not attitude. It demonstrates how attitude exhibits itself even though the basic actions are the same, and how it's actually fairly easy to pick up.
Quote:So I asked you a question. If you said no to "Is there a great carebear conspiracy out to ruin your game?" then it means you do not believe in it. That's not the question you asked, nor the one I said no to.
Quote:So either you believe in it or not. It can't be neither. Yes it can, actually, for a number of reasons.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:07:57 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:Well I would agree with your post. However it specifically mentions actions, not attitude. Then you are being willfully obtuse.
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1137
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:07:59 -
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Tippia wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:Well I would agree with your post. However it specifically mentions actions, not attitude. It demonstrates how attitude exhibits itself even though the basic actions are the same. Quote:So I asked you a question. If you said no to "Is there a great carebear conspiracy out to ruin your game?" then it means you do not believe in it. That's not the question you asked, nor the one I said no to. Quote:So either you believe in it or not. It can't be neither. Yes it can, actually, for a number of reasons.
I feel like Richard Dawkins asking questions about apostasy.
So let's try it again...
"Do you or do you not believe in a carebear conspiracy to ruin your game?"
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1137
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:10:44 -
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"A person who runs missions and "bugs out" (or doesn't take the "bait") when confronted by a "ninja looter" is not necessarily a carebear."
Action
"A person who runs missions and complains that people can interfere with his/her mission running activities IS a carebear."
Action
"A person who does industry and hauls stuff around is not necessarily a carebear."
Action
"A person who does industry and hauls stuff around, but avoids any and all potentially profitable ventures and complains about it (because he/she doesn't want to expose him/herself to any possible risk) IS a carebear."
Action
"A person who does PvP and chooses engagements to have the best odds of winning is not necessarily a carebear."
Action
"A person who does PvP, chooses engagements to have the best odds of winning, and then turns around and says that it isn't fair that others are doing the same thing is a carebear."
Aslo an action.
"A person who only operates solo is not necessarily a carebear."
Action
"A person who only operates solo and complains about how groups of players have an advantage over him/her is a carebear.":
Also an action.
I mean complaining is an action not an attitude.
All actions it appears to be...
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:14:50 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:I feel like Richard Dawkins asking questions about apostasy.
So let's try it again...
"Do you or do you not believe in a carebear conspiracy to ruin your game?" Irrelevant.
Quote: I mean complaining is an action not an attitude.
All actions it appears to be... Then you're not actually looking and instead just being wilfully obtuse, like the man said. All your list demonstrates is that action is not a useful defining characteristic, when what really separates them is the very obvious difference in attitude.
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