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sugark
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.01.19 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: sugark on 19/01/2007 21:32:25 This is by no means a comprehensive guide to mining - there are plenty of those around. Just something to get very new players started.
10 basic questions on mining
written by sugark
1. What ship should I use? - You can mine with any ship that has turret hardpoints. However, some ships give you bonuses for mining lasers. You find the info on this in the descriptions tab of the ship info. - There are also ships specialized in mining. These are called barges and they let you fit strip miners, which are more effective than mining lasers. The problem is though, that those ships take a lot of skill training and are also more expensive than frigates. They can also be used only for mining and are very slow. So basically they are worth considering as a mid-term goal if you intend to do a lot of mining.
2. What ore should I go for? - There are better and worse types of ore. One of the cheapest is Veldspar and most of the time not worth the effort if your primary interest is gaining ISK. - You find the most valuable ore in 0.0 security systems, but of course it is pretty dangerous to go there. - For the beginning I would advise you to mine either Pyroxeres or Plagioclase in high-sec systems and if you feel brave Kernite or Omber in low-sec systems. (I am talking about Caldari Space here. In other regions you can find Kernite and Omber in high-sec systems).
3. Where else do I find ore? - In some missions you will find asteroids. The advantage is that you are hard to be found there and have the asteroids all to yourself. Those asteroids also respawn daily after downtime. However, it is important that you donŠt complete the mission objective. The downside is that sometimes the NPC pirates (rats) respawn, but most of the time you only get regular belt rats. Another disadvantage is that you normally have a gate to a deadspace to get to the ore, which makes hauling more tedious.
4. So how does it work? - Mining itself is pretty straight forward: you target lock an asteroid and turn on your mining lasers. The mined ore will land in your cargohold and once it is full the lasers deactivate. Any ore you might have mined but that doesnŠt fit in your cargohold will be lost. - The more complicated issue is getting the ore to a station. There are basically three options, which all have advantages and disadvantages. a) Whenever the cargohold of the ship you mine with is full, you go to a station and drop the ore off. PRO: Unless your ship gets destroyed, your ore is safe that way. It canŠt be stolen. You also need only one ship for mining, so it is probably the best method if you are on a budget. CONTRA: This method is extremely time intensive, since you will have to go back and forth for very small amounts of ore.
b) You can mine into so-called ôjetcansö. You do this by right-clicking on the ore in your cargohold and selecting ôjettisonö. Then you find the cargo container on the overview, set the name so you can remember which can was yours, open it and keep dragging the ore from the cargohold into the container. After a while you dock with your mining ship and get a ship with a bigger cargohold, like an industrial ship, and haul the ore from the can to the station. PRO: This method saves you a lot of time, since you can move bigger amounts of ore with an industrial shipthan with any ship you would normally mine with. This means less runs between the asteroid belt and the station. A jetcan can hold 27,500 mŠ. CONTRA: There are two major disadvantages of jetcan mining. Firstly, the cans only last for a limited amount of time. We are talking about an hour before they pop and with them your ore. You can avoid this by labeling the cans not only with your name, but also with a time stamp. This means that you include the time at which you first started the can into the name. During mining ops we usually use eve-time for this. Once the cans get close to an hour, you refresh them, which means that you create a new can and shift the ore into the new can, which again has a life span of about an hour. DonÆt forget to label and time-stamp this fresh container aswell. The second disadvantage is, that anyone can steal your ore out of a jetcan. This doesnŠt happen very often, but it does happen. In this case yourself and any member of your corp (non-NPC) gets kill rights on the thief. There is no sure way to avoid this. The only option is finding a quiet system and/or taking a corp mate for protection. |
sugark
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.01.19 21:37:00 -
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c) Mining into secure containers is the third option. It pretty much works like jetcan mining, but you need to buy secure cargo containers. Those you anchor (in 0.7 space or below) and set a password to. PRO: Your ore is safe in there, as long as the can is anchored and a password set. Secure cans can hardly be destroyed and will stay where they are forever. If anchored they also canŠt be stolen. CONTRA: Secure cans are fairly expensive. they also have a much smaller capacity than jet cans (the biggest one, Giant Secure Container, holds 3900 mŠ). You also need to transport them to the asteroids before mining and it takes a skill to be able to anchor them. They can also not be used in 0.8 or higher space. Note that it is a total waste of ISK to use secure cans that are not anchored. All you do is give the thief the can as a bonus with the ore.
5. What should I do with the ore? You basically have three options: - Sell the ore as it is. The problem is, that ore is pretty heavy so you will normally not get the best price for it unless you are lucky and there is a good buy order at your station or unless you are willing to transport it all. - Refine the ore and sell it. ThatŠs a good option if you want to earn ISK and have good refining skills and good standings with the corporation at the station you refine at. It depends on your standings how high the taxes for refining are and on your skills how much ore is unrecoverable. You can also ask someone in the corp to come and refine for you. - Refine the ore and use the minerals for manufacturing.
6. What about safety? There are two threats when mining. NPC pirates (rats) and player pirates. - To protect yourself from rats it is a good idea to have scout drones with you. It pretty much depends on the security rating of the system, the amount of drones you can take with you and the drone skills you have to determine if this is sufficient. The other option is fitting a couple of guns on your ship. Of course this means less mining lasers and hence less output. - There is no really good way to protect you from player pirates. In high-sec space (0.5 or higher) you will normally not get agressed by them, but it does happen once in a while. However, normally you should be able to tank them until Concord shows up. In low-sec space my best advise is: run. There is no way you can defend yourself from a pirate attack in a regular mining ship. Another issue is kill rights on pirates. It happens once in a while that someone takes your ore to provoke you so that you start shooting them, which means that in return they can shoot you without Concord intervening. So donŠt do it! Precious as your ore may be, it is certainly worth less than your ship. One way of pirates being less of an issue is staying in fairly quiet systems.
7. So what should I fit on my ship? - The obvious thing is of course to fit some mining lasers. Those come in different qualities and price groups. - To defend yourself from rats you might want to take scout drones or fit a gun or two. However, every gun or scout drone you take for protection also means a mining laser or mining drone you can take less. So you need to find a good balance of efficiency versus protection. - To increase your mining output you can take mining drones with you and fit mining upgrades. However, mining upgrades increase the CPU requirement of your mining lasers. - If you have a problem with your CPU or powergrid you can fit a CPU or RCU (Reactor Control Unit) module. - To increase your cargohold, cargo expanders are the way to go. For your hauling ship itŠs also useful to take secure containers in your cargohold. The reason for this is, that they have more capacity than they take space. As an example, Giant Secure Containers take 3000mŠ of space but have a capacity of 3900mŠ. If you fit cargo expanders on an industrial ship, so that you can take three Giant Secure Containers with you, this will give you 2700mŠ of extra hauling capacity. In order to use them you need to assemble the containers in station and then drag them into your cargohold. In space you select ôopenö when right-clicking on the containers in your cargohold and drag in the ore. Once you are back in station you empty them the same way. However, using containers in your mining ship is not a good idea, since they will fill up the cargohold of your mining ship, which means that the ore you mine wonŠt find room anymore and the lasers deactivate with your ore being lost. - You might also want to consider fitting some modules that make you faster (overdrive injector, nanofiber internal structure, afterburner) or able to tank damage you might take (shield or armor modules).
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sugark
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.01.19 21:38:00 -
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8. What about AFK mining? - You will rarely get rich by mining while being AFK. The reason is, that you have to stay in high security systems (best is a 1.0 system) with no or only weak belt rats and less threat from pirates. You will also have to mine into a ship with a big cargohold, since the mining lasers deactivate once the hold is full. However, it might be worth it to make some extra money. One thing to consider is the size of the asteroids you mine. - One way to AFK mine is fitting an industrial ship with cargo expanders, shield extenders and a mining lasers. In this case you donŠt want to have Secure Containers in your cargohold unless you can pop in once in a while to drag the ore in. Mining like this will take extremely long, but since you will be AFK, you wonŠt mind.
9. What skills do I need? - Your basic skills should be mining, industry and refining. After that it is a good idea to train Drones, Mining Drone Operation, Scout Drone Operation, Refinery Management, Metallurgy and Survey, especially if you plan to focus on mining. - Aditionally to that you will need to get whatever skills it takes to use the ships you want to mine/haul with.
10. So is this all there is to it? - No, as the title of this guide indicates, we are talking about basic to intermediate mining here. There are various other options like getting bigger ships for mining and hauling, getting more specialized skills for refining and mining, using T2 lasers with special mining crystals, ice-mining and so forth. However, these areas canŠt be covered in a guide for new players, so please refer to the forums for further questions and ask in corp chat or the help channels.
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sugark
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.01.20 12:16:00 -
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- You might also want to consider fitting some modules that make you faster (overdrive injector, nanofiber internal structure, afterburner) or able to tank damage you might take (shield or armor modules).
8. What about AFK mining?
- You will rarely get rich by mining while being AFK. The reason is, that you have to stay in high security systems (best is a 1.0 system) with no or only weak belt rats and less threat from pirates. You will also have to mine into a ship with a big cargohold, since the mining lasers deactivate once the hold is full. However, it might be worth it to make some extra money. One thing to consider is the size of the asteroids you mine.
- One way to AFK mine is fitting an industrial ship with cargo expanders, shield extenders and a mining laser. In this case you donŠt want to have Secure Containers in your cargohold unless you can pop in once in a while to drag the ore in. Mining like this will take extremely long, but since you will be AFK, you wonŠt mind.
9. What skills do I need?
- Your basic skills should be mining, industry and refining. After that it is a good idea to train Drones, Mining Drone Operation, Scout Drone Operation, Refinery Management, Metallurgy and Survey, especially if you plan to focus on mining. An advanced skill to consider is Astrogeology under Science, since you will need this anyways for mining barges and exhumers.
- In addition to that you will need to get whatever skills it takes to use the ships you want to mine/haul with.
10. So is this all there is to it?
- No, as the title of this guide indicates, we are talking about basic to intermediate mining here. There are various other options like getting bigger ships for mining and hauling, getting more specialized skills for refining and mining, using T2 lasers with special mining crystals, ice-mining and so forth. However, these areas canŠt be covered in a guide for new players, so please refer to the forums for further questions and ask in the corp.
edit: there...added paragraphs and stuff.
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Jorix
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Posted - 2007.01.20 13:09:00 -
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Thankyou. Very helpful
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Moe deLawn
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Posted - 2007.01.20 15:17:00 -
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Looks good. Tiny suggestion, you really stress the fact that different ships have different bonuses, and that all the info they need to determine this is right off the market window.
After spending some time trying to help/recruit noobs to the corp I'm in, this is probably the single biggest mistake noobs make (same goes for using a low level support frigate, instead of a combat frig, to do missions :) ).
Hope you can get this stickied...
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sugark
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.01.20 15:32:00 -
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Well, here are the frigs with mining bonuses:
Amarr - Tormentor. Caldari - Bantam. Gallente - Navitas. Minmatar - Burst.
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sugark
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.01.20 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Moe deLawn Looks good. Tiny suggestion, you really stress the fact that different ships have different bonuses, and that all the info they need to determine this is right off the market window.
After spending some time trying to help/recruit noobs to the corp I'm in, this is probably the single biggest mistake noobs make (same goes for using a low level support frigate, instead of a combat frig, to do missions :) ).
Hope you can get this stickied...
Sorry, i didnŠt quite get what you mean. What is your suggestion? That I emphasize the frigate specialization more?
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Halada
Caldari STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.20 15:49:00 -
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Nicely done
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Dust Rocket
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Posted - 2007.01.20 17:59:00 -
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I have noticed that the amount of ore u cant fit into your cargohold wont get lost. It stays in the asteroid.
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Elden Myrck
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Posted - 2007.01.20 18:55:00 -
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Jetcans last longer than an hour, in my experience it's ok to let them go for an hour and 30 minutes before renewing it.
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between4and24
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Posted - 2007.01.20 18:58:00 -
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Hi
When I was a newbie miner it would have been nice to have a guide that shows the relation to ore volume and profit.
Ores come in different prices but I soon found out that they came in different sizes too. The more valuable ores also are larger in volume than the cheaper ones. I didn't get 2 million ISK (using veldspar volume!) from the 500 m3 of kernite in the cargo hold, but about 180k.
So maybe you could add some kind of chart to show how the different ore sizes and prices ratio out in the cargo hold.
Here's some of the popular newbie ores and their sizes, I'm not sure how you want to do the prices though because that can be different from where they are harvesting them at.
Veldspar .1 m3
Plagioclase .35 m3
Omber .6 m3
Pyroxeres .3 m3
Jaspet 2 m3
Hedbergite 3 m3
Kernite 1.2 m3
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sugark
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.01.20 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: between4and24 Hi So maybe you could add some kind of chart to show how the different ore sizes and prices ratio out in the cargo hold.
good idea - IŠll try to come up with something, thanks
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sugark
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.01.20 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Elden Myrck Jetcans last longer than an hour, in my experience it's ok to let them go for an hour and 30 minutes before renewing it.
Yeah, I know - but better safe than sorry. Will change the wording though, thanks.
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Lead Pipe
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.24 04:36:00 -
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Great guide! I've been mining for quite a while now, but I enjoy reading any mining guide I can find since there's always something there to pick up on. If I had a cookie, I'd give it to you for taking the time to make this guide! Build a man a fire, keep him warm for a little while. Set a man on fire, keep him warm for the rest of his life! |
Karille
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.24 07:13:00 -
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Since some noobs start with racial frig 4, and they can train cruisers fairly quickly you should also include the best cruiser of each race to mine in. _________________________________________________________
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Tkar vonBiggendorf
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.24 21:45:00 -
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Due to the volume of the ore, and current pricing, right now (well, as of yesterday when I checked prices) in the Verge Vendor region in Gallente space, for instance, Scordite will get you more per m3 than either plagioclase or pyroxeres. Shoot, Kernite ore was worth more raw than as a perfect refine. The market varies. I think for the novice starting out, until they become familiar with the markets, the best advice for which ore to mine is "anything but Veldspar."
On your item #7 about which mining laser to use. You might want to add to avoid the Basic stuff and at least be using Miner I lasers.
Adding cruisers might be a nice touch, but for a basic guide, you need to draw a line somewhere. If they want to know much more than that, they probably want to read Halada's guide... everything you never wanted to know about mining. :)
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.01.24 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tkar vonBiggendorf Adding cruisers might be a nice touch...
Only two cruisers actually have a mining bonus. This is due to how cruisers were initially made. Amarr and Gallente had cruisers with lots of turret slots making them natural miners while Minmatar and Caldari were sorta screwed in this department. As a result Caldari and Minmatar got cruisers with mining bonuses to make them on par with the other mining cruisers.
So...
Amarr -- Maller Caldari -- Osprey Gallente -- Thorax Minmatar -- Scythe
It is also worth noting that the Tier-I mining barge (the Procurer) is a waste of money. Mining cruisers out mine it easily. The Tier-II mining barge (Retreiver) can surpass mining barges IF you fit it with modulated strip miners and have decent skills. If you go for barges you really should be thinking of getting the Covetor since it mines better than anything except Exhumers (actually I think an Apocalypse battleship pimped for minign can rival a Covetor but still...Covetor is very nice).
One last thing. Covetors fitted with Modulated Strip Miner-II mining lasers can find themselves a target of suicide gankers since those modules are worth around 25 mil each and Covetors pop fairly easily. Just something to keep in mind that you definitely want to tank your Covetor as best you can and hope it is enough should you run in to one of these guys.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.01.24 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Humpalot
Originally by: Tkar vonBiggendorf Adding cruisers might be a nice touch...
Only two cruisers actually have a mining bonus. This is due to how cruisers were initially made. Amarr and Gallente had cruisers with lots of turret slots making them natural miners while Minmatar and Caldari were sorta screwed in this department. As a result Caldari and Minmatar got cruisers with mining bonuses to make them on par with the other mining cruisers.
So...
Amarr -- Maller Caldari -- Osprey Gallente -- Thorax Minmatar -- Scythe
It is also worth noting that the Tier-I mining barge (the Procurer) is a waste of money. Mining cruisers out mine it easily. The Tier-II mining barge (Retreiver) can surpass mining barges IF you fit it with modulated strip miners and have decent skills. If you go for barges you really should be thinking of getting the Covetor since it mines better than anything except Exhumers (actually I think an Apocalypse battleship pimped for minign can rival a Covetor but still...Covetor is very nice).
One last thing. Covetors fitted with Modulated Strip Miner-II mining lasers can find themselves a target of suicide gankers since those modules are worth around 25 mil each and Covetors pop fairly easily. Just something to keep in mind that you definitely want to tank your Covetor as best you can and hope it is enough should you run in to one of these guys.
With 1 mid and 2 lows, good luck on tanking a covetor -=^=-
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.01.24 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Sastard With 1 mid and 2 lows, good luck on tanking a covetor
I forgot about that (been awhile since I flew a Covetor).
Although this is a beginner guide it is always nice to wonder at the ultimate you may get someday. In the case of mining that would be an Exhumer class ship. The Hulk is the best miner hands down and it can tank very well (good enough to tank some NPC battleship spawns in 0.0). That said it is a pain to train for and hugely expensive. Note that for Mercoxite mining you want a Skiff and ice mining you want a Mackinaw (also both Exhumers).
One last thing, you really do not want to mine in 0.1 - 0.4 space. It is hugely dangerous for a miner even with guards. Certainly some people do and if you feel safe enough wherever you mine go for it but honestly it is better to get in an Alliance that controls some 0.0 space and mine there. More profitable anyway and far safer usually.
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Tkar vonBiggendorf
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.24 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Humpalot Gallente -- Thorax
The Gallente Vexor gets bonuses to mining drones. Of course, this requires more skills to take advantage of, but with those skills and bonuses, 5 mining drones can pull in more than the Thorax's one extra turret. Plus, the Vexor has a larger drone bay -- handy since that becomes your only means of defense when geared for mining.
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Humpalot
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Posted - 2007.01.25 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tkar vonBiggendorf
Originally by: Humpalot Gallente -- Thorax
The Gallente Vexor gets bonuses to mining drones. Of course, this requires more skills to take advantage of, but with those skills and bonuses, 5 mining drones can pull in more than the Thorax's one extra turret.
Really? I didn't realize those drones could swing the difference like that with that ship. Personally I am not a huge fan of mining drones but that is just me (too much babysitting them and I am lazy). Their effectivness also partly relies on how you place yourself in the belt and in the case of high end (0.0) ores their effectivness seems to drop. Then again I never flew a miner that had a bonus to mining drones. Besides, most times I need all my drone space for defense drones anyway.
All that said I know a lot of people use them just fine and more ore is more ore so if you can you may as well.
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Domitianvs
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Posted - 2007.01.25 05:19:00 -
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Quote: Only two cruisers actually have a mining bonus. This is due to how cruisers were initially made. Amarr and Gallente had cruisers with lots of turret slots making them natural miners while Minmatar and Caldari were sorta screwed in this department. As a result Caldari and Minmatar got cruisers with mining bonuses to make them on par with the other mining cruisers.
So...
Amarr -- Maller
The Arbitrator has a bonus to Mining Drones.
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Monde Thor
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Posted - 2007.01.25 10:17:00 -
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Not sure if anyone agrees with me here but I started my Mining Career with a Gallente Exequror.
The Reasons were as follows: Cheap to buy (about 3mil) Large Cargo space (could not fly a hauler at that time) 4 Lasers Large Drone Bay to take care of Rats and Mining Drones (although I don't use them)
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sugark
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.01.25 15:48:00 -
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Well, it might be a good idea to put things like cruisers in the guide, but then again - it is a very basic thing to get new players started. Once they earned enough ISK to actually buy a cruiser, IŠd hope they know their way around in eve enough to figure out where to find the info they need so they can make up their minds on what cruiser to buy. I will include the aspect on the mining lasers. Thanks for your input, everyone!
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Raijen Ar'Desh
Gallente Interstellar Business Machines Corp.
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Posted - 2007.01.25 23:32:00 -
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Just as an ammendment for a rather nice newbie guide, In empire with the price of Mex and Pyr, Scordite is actually more profitable than omber at the moment for empire ores at the moment (As of 1/23/2007 in Essence).
This may not last, but it's still good to note, and scordite is availiable in almost every belt in the game.
Just my two cents, and congrats on a well written and thoughtout guide for those new to the profession :)
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sugark
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.12.15 11:51:00 -
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Just came across this guide from ages ago via eve-search. Had forgotten about it and figured it might be helpful for new players today still. Also - can anyone see stuff that would need updating? _______________________________________________
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Khrystal Shard
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Posted - 2007.12.15 14:40:00 -
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One option many forget is that you can do well with just plain strip miner Is on the mining barges (and the hulk even)
You don't match the mining crystal yield, but you also don't have the skill requirements.
they are especially useful if you are in a strip operation versus just mining specific ores (you can park and mine out the location starting at 14km on the overview and working to 0; best with a hauler)
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Gerry Viking
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Posted - 2007.12.16 11:08:00 -
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Thank you for the info. I currently use a Tormentor for mining and would like to install a second mining-laser. The problem is, that this would leave my ship defenseless. I somehow dont trust scoutdrones for defense. Do you have a solution for me or can you suggest a ship to upgrade ? Iwould use my Punisher for mining but the Tormentor has a bigger mining-bonus. The cargohold does not matter to my since I jettison the ore into an countainer. Per ardua ad astra
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