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artemis doom
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.24 01:18:00 -
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it looks like I am turning this character into a carebear and making him more and more mission-oriented. I am somewhat a beginner, with only 3.1m sp, 2.2m of which are in learning.
right now I am doing lvl2 missions in a drake, it is quite easy but I have to start looking ahead and beyond.
so I'll go through my training plan and you guys see if there's something drastically wrong with it, if so - please correct me.
my first step will be learning Negotiation to level 5. 25% extra cash can't hurt.
then I'll train for a Raven and start doing lvl3 missions in it
next I'll train salvaging to level 5 and equip the raven with Salvager I. and here's the real question - is it worth it? is it worth training salvaging to level 5 and salvaging wrecks? how much more ISK will I make during missions and what exactly can I expect to salvage?
after that I'll just learn usual all-around passive skills to improve this and that and eventually start doing lvl4 missions.
any feedback is welcome.
PS: I heard that a Navy Issue Raven can be aquired from and offer by one of the lvl 4 agents. how many LP does it cost and which faction does that agent belong to? I have 2.1 I'd assume it's Caldari Navy since it's navy issue.
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suzx
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Posted - 2007.01.24 01:51:00 -
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A drake can easily do any level 3 mission. You should consider moving up to those now. Here's what I use: High: 7x heavy missle launcher Mid: 2x Large Shield Extender 4x active shield hardener low: 1x Ballistic control system 3x shield power relay
With FOF missles, I can pretty much do level 3's AFK.
While that's going on, I have my alt in an industrial, outfitted with salvagers gather the loot, and salvage the wrecks. 2 salvagers and salvaging III will salvage wrecks quickly enough. A typlical level 3 mission, with salvageable wrecks, will yield me 1-5 mil worth of salvage.
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Ms Chen
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Posted - 2007.01.24 04:04:00 -
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I'm having a hard time selling rigs even at lower prices than the rest of the region. If i were you, perhaps wait until you get to level 4s when you will get more salvage parts per mission, maybe even level 3s. The market is dead tbh, people don't want to pay the prices that are offered and the parts on the market dictate "build cost" so unless you salvage your own parts you don't see much isk. Even then, how exactly do you calculate the time you took to salvage? It's difficult and a strange, dead market. I don't know about the market for rig parts though, only for build rigs.
this is probably because people have a hard time rationalizing putting 90m in rigs onto a tech 1 frig or cruiser or anything not a battleship/cap ship/ tech 2. So as I said before, wait till lvl 3 or 4 when you will get parts faster. Maybe you can push them out at the prices people want, but when you see the prices on the market, it makes you think that you could make more, when the thing is, you probably couldn't. Risk is low however, since you're just investing the extra time to salvage, but time is money as they say.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.24 05:09:00 -
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Don't use your mission ship to salvage, even with high skills you will get a lot of failures.
Buy a destroyer, fit it with 4 salvagers, 2 tractors and a AB/MWD and use it to loot/salvage afterwards. Cleans Pirate Blockade in about 15 minutes, you will spend more time that that by far moving between the wrecks. <-----------> MMORPG == Massively Moronic Online Raw Powergaming Grief fests....
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Akekamiyama
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Posted - 2007.01.31 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby Don't use your mission ship to salvage, even with high skills you will get a lot of failures.
Buy a destroyer, fit it with 4 salvagers, 2 tractors and a AB/MWD and use it to loot/salvage afterwards. Cleans Pirate Blockade in about 15 minutes, you will spend more time that that by far moving between the wrecks.
Now this is a great tip. Thank you. I just happen to have an extra Destroyer collecting dust in the hanger. Now I just need to get a tractor beam and I suppose train another skill. I have been using a slasher with 3 salvagers an AB and an over drive because it's fast but It fills up fast too. The destroyer would be perfect. |
ZebedeeUK
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Posted - 2007.02.01 02:16:00 -
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Destroyers were working, now, thanks to the metal scraps CCP saw fit to include in salvage at 10m^3 a pop (160m^3 potential from a battleship) your dessie will be full every 3-4 wrecks.
Nice move guys, NOT.
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Smets
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Posted - 2007.02.01 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: ZebedeeUK Destroyers were working, now, thanks to the metal scraps CCP saw fit to include in salvage at 10m^3 a pop (160m^3 potential from a battleship) your dessie will be full every 3-4 wrecks.
Nice move guys, NOT.
Metal Scraps are 10m3 yes, but all salvage actually worth something is 0.01m3. You ever get any Metal Scraps just jet them, problem solved.
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zmad2000
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Posted - 2007.02.01 11:17:00 -
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Ok dont flame me for this but i use an Eris for salvage.
Here is my setup High 4xTractor 4xSalvagers Mid AB Cap or Battery Low All Cargo Expanders
Now for the mids and the lows i would fit the best u have With locals in the lows u can haul over 1k m3
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Majin82
Caldari g guild
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Posted - 2007.02.01 20:39:00 -
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Level 1, 2 missions are not worth the wasted time, unless you need the loot cause you are starting out.
Level 4 Blood Raider missions give out the best Salvage in my eyes. ------------------------------------- The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns!
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Ratey
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Posted - 2007.02.02 12:02:00 -
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Is it worth it?
IMO only if you first figure out what rig you need, then buy your own rig BPO (very cheap btw). Then salvage until you have the parts to build the rig.
The market is still very immature and weird. Although there are some great buy orders for salvage parts out there.
I guess CCP fixed the faction wrecks in missions, I salvaged serpentis wrecks last night for the first time. Lots of parts different from the usual angel stuff I get when ratting.
Like everyone is saying, after completing the mission or stage, go swap out for a faster smaller dedicated salvager ship with at least 2 salvagers.
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Egil Kolsto
Caldari Collwood Collective
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Posted - 2007.02.02 16:49:00 -
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Well, coming from the buying side... Cap Rig sells for 36M roughly, the lower level your mission ability is, the higher the chance you will make Isk doing this over what other choices you have.
The more familiar you are with what the different parts needed for rigs are, the faster you can turn around and sell rigs for cash. My suggestion is, if you want to salvage, just hook up with one of us asking in local if anyone wants to salvage parts and use a destroyer or something.
If you fly a Raven, get tech 2 hardeners and fly level 4 missions. Chances are you make more doing that than salvaging but it is a different experience. Myself I fly a CNR and I still break out my alt and go mine Omber when I get that mission. It is all about the gaming - experience and enjoying what you do. Too much missions take the fun out of it, at least for me. Mine a little and suddenly you are happy shooting stuff again!
Safe flying!
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Scratchit
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Posted - 2007.02.03 22:35:00 -
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I do it even if I am not sure its worth it really, I have been packaging 4x Salvagers and 4x Tractors and a 10mn AB in my Drake so after I finish my mission I just dock , refit and go back out to loot/salvage. The benefit to the loot is it will be reprocessed to pay for/build my raven when I am ready. As far as the salvage goes, at least in the lvl 3 missions I do , I dont know that its really going to pay off. It doesnt take much longer to salvage than it does to loot though , so there isnt much lost. The cargo bay is a factor with 350m3 a lot fits in there, however I did Pirate invasion today and left a little behind ( other than ammo I wont/dont use )
This does slow your mission per day capacity , so if you are just about faction and rewards, skip it. This is something that you are not going to see a pay off on immediately.
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Veryez
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Posted - 2007.02.04 00:38:00 -
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Edited by: Veryez on 04/02/2007 00:35:13 Wow quite a bit of misinformation in this thread. Try to read again what he said:
"I am somewhat a beginner, with only 3.1m sp, 2.2m in learning" So a little simple math shows that you have 900k sp in combat skills. Considering you start with 800k, you've trained a grand total of 100k sp and are flying a Battlecruiser.
Still think he should take that drake into Mordus Headhunters Lvl 3? Or even get a raven fitted w/t2 hardners and fly it into "Pirate Slaughter" lvl 4? I don't.
Stick with Lvl 2 missions until you learn how to properly shield tank. When every lvl 2 mission becomes a walk in the park, then you should think about lvl 3 missions. If you can't fly a fully t2 tanked raven, then stay away from lvl 4's. Unlike earlier missions you can't fly a bigger ship into lvl 4's and overpower them (like using a BC for lvl 2's or a BB for lvl 3's). Level 4 missions are all about the tank.
For lvl 3/4 missions - don't use your mission ship to collect loot/salvage - it takes too long. Oh and congratz on getting your learning skills done.
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Pirlouit
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.02.04 17:13:00 -
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There is two ways to answer this question. The most efficient way and the most independent way. The most efficient way: calculate how much isks Lp are worth and how much on average you complete a mission to get the said isks then factor in the time to salvage. You may find that salvaging take too long compared to how much extra LP you could make.
The most independent way: salvages parts can be recycled and used for making rigs: you can thus make your own ships/modules as required. You may want to calculate how much it cost to buy the ships equipment and how much you save by making your own.
At the end of the day just chose what you feel most comfortable with.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.02.04 17:45:00 -
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Drakes are better than Raven's for level 3's for "most" people.
And there is no way for anyone to tell you if salvaging is worthwhile... you have to determine that yourself. Salvage 10 missions in a row and calculate how long they took you to run and how much money you made from bounties, mission rewards and how many LP you got. Then do 10 missions without salvaging and do the same thing. Then equalize the time and adjust all the other numbers based on an equal time. Which yielded more profit?
For some people who are ultra fast mission runners, salvaging may not be worth it. For slow mission runners it most likely is worth it.
If less people salvage then salvaging is more worthwhile. If more people salvage it is less worthwhile.
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Rhaegar Targarin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.02.04 19:44:00 -
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I can personally say it is worth it in 0.0. In my alliance people leave wrecks everywhere and you can just salvage them all and pick up whatever loot people leave and you make a killing.
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Sphynx Stormlord
Gallente Anqara Industries
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Posted - 2007.02.04 22:44:00 -
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Training salvaging to five doesnt seem that good value; up to 3 or 4, however, might be a lot better.
Having a ship with a single salvaging rig, and salvaging 3, is comparable with having salvaging 5 and no rig. And saves quite a bit of training.
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Yunii
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Posted - 2007.02.05 18:21:00 -
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I salvaged my butt off during the trial. I did most of my missions from a security agent so most were kill missions. I cleared 55mil by the end of my trial. So I'd say it was well worth it. Now with salvage 3, and a salvage frig for after mission clean up I can make several mil per night even as a new player. Will be upgrading to a Desy for clean up after i've got the skillz.
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Algorithm 5
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Posted - 2007.02.06 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: ZebedeeUK Destroyers were working, now, thanks to the metal scraps CCP saw fit to include in salvage at 10m^3 a pop (160m^3 potential from a battleship) your dessie will be full every 3-4 wrecks.
Nice move guys, NOT.
And this is why you have two (or even three) tractors.
So here's the trick. When you fill up, grab the metal scraps you have and jetcan them. Then LOCK the jetcan and engage one of the tractors. Leave it engaged permanently.
Now you have a nice HUGE "discards" can that will follow you around from wreck cluster to wreck cluster. You never have to wait for the jet 2 minute timeout again. :) |
Joseph Dredd
UK Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.02.08 11:53:00 -
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I use a set up Raven for collecting loot and salvage on lvl4's, it is fitted with 4 salvagers and 4 tractor beams. Mid MWD and the rest mids and lows fitted with cap rechargers so the MWD can run full time After I do a lvl in my mission raven I zoom out with the map and BM the fathest can, the wreks are usually in a straight line ish from there and when the mission is complete I tell the agent and then warp in my salavger to the different lvl locations that I have BM'ed. Never have had to warp back to a station to unload
Usually get about 5 - 10 mil isk in salvage parts per mission and reprocess the loot Sig : I managed to get destroyed by my own side because I targeted a friendly because "he had a piraty sounding name" (Players name withheld) |
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.02.08 12:16:00 -
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Lets see..Starting an experiment with salvageing on sunday. Trained salvage 3 destroyers 1. Got a destroyer with 6x salvagers and 2 tractors. Then I salvaged every single last wreck from the level 4 missions I've been running. Now as of DT today I'm sitting on pile of salvage parts worth 125M - 150M if I quick sold them all.
Looks like it's worth the effort to me. Income should be insane when applying this to 0.0 belt ratting/Complex running.
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Sharcy
Sonnema
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Posted - 2007.02.08 13:09:00 -
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I've called salvaging "mining for mission runners"... I actually like it, I do a mission (lvl3) in my Drake, just kill everything, then dock to get my salvager (a destroyer, soon to be traded for an Eris... Gallente Frig V is all I need). 4 Salvagers and 4 Tractor Beams, and off we go... Pull, loot, salvage... it's like Christmas Eve unwrapping presents to see what you're going to get :-). Combining looting and salvaging makes much sense, much faster than looting in your BC or BS. --
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Maze La'Zie
Caldari Technology La'Zie
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Posted - 2007.02.08 16:47:00 -
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Oh - and while you're at it, don't waste time yet on Negotiations V - take it to III or IV - most of your cash will come from bounties, not mission rewards.
You can get a navy raven from any Caldari faction agent. You need at least 500,000 loyalty point at the moment. ___________________ Chief Scientific Officer Technology La'Zie Author of The End |
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