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Eric Torset
Second Six Corporation
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Posted - 2011.12.14 17:59:00 -
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I keep seeing this come up quoted regarding Crucible, but I can't find out what it is supposed to mean. Is this a quote from a dev blog or something? I searched the forum, and everyone seems to know what "new direction" means but me. Help? |
Kahz Niverrah
We Are So Troubled Everyone Runs Screaming Moar Tears
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Posted - 2011.12.14 18:01:00 -
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Eric Torset wrote:I keep seeing this come up quoted regarding Crucible, but I can't find out what it is supposed to mean. Is this a quote from a dev blog or something? I searched the forum, and everyone seems to know what "new direction" means but me. Help? If you like polished features, balancing, bug fixes, general improvements and overall flying-in-space excellence, you will like the new direction.
If you enjoy walking in stations and half-finished expansions, you will be disappointed. I don't always post on the forums, but when I do, I post with my main. |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.14 18:03:00 -
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not sure
up, down, left, right, somewhere in between...
cant say probably in some other dimension .. oooh wait... actually no. |
Xolve
Epidemic.
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Posted - 2011.12.14 18:04:00 -
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I'm so glad they moved away from Walking in Stations and are focusing on Ships in Space Stuff. Lady Spank for C&P Moderator.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
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Posted - 2011.12.14 18:10:00 -
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since this last direction made them a patch in 6 weeks a little love for WIS doesn,t hurt FIS . And for those who hate it and still buy fancy nex stuff ,you don,t have to use it,stay at shipspinning |
Xolve
Epidemic.
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Posted - 2011.12.14 18:28:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:since this last direction made them a patch in 6 weeks a little love for WIS doesn,t hurt FIS . And for those who hate it and still buy fancy nex stuff ,you don,t have to use it,stay at shipspinning
WIS got love, enjoy your new 3 alternative domeciles. I'd rather see their resources aimed at issues the players have been asking to get fixed for years now..
We're on a roll.. Rockets, Hybrids, New Ships, Engine Trails, Anomalies, just a little more mate, you'll get your time. Lady Spank for C&P Moderator.
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Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
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Posted - 2011.12.14 18:29:00 -
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Prior to Crucible, there were a series of mistakes and missteps on CCP's part -- leaked e-mails, broken promises, the impression that the players were more valuable as 'cash cows' than customers, and a seriously botched Incarna launch, to name only a few.
The result was a personal written apology from CCP's CEO (where he pretty much went willingly under the headsman's axe to take the blame for the debacle) the laying off of a portion of CCP's staff, and a 'refocusing' that included the restructuring and relocation of the Customer Service department, the indefinite hold of Incarna features, and a return to EVE's core concepts and design goals.
The 'new direction' is that CCP declared shortly before announcing Crucible that they're narrowing their primary development to pretty much just the EVE universe so they can focus as many resources as possible on its development. |
Rixiu
North Star Networks The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2011.12.14 18:58:00 -
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CCP took eve players money for granted. Then they realised that's not the case when 8% quit in the months following incarna. Trying to get these players back is the "new direction". |
bornaa
GRiD.
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Posted - 2011.12.14 19:01:00 -
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Xolve wrote:I'm so glad they moved away from Walking in Stations and are focusing on Ships in Space Stuff.
Xolve wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:since this last direction made them a patch in 6 weeks a little love for WIS doesn,t hurt FIS . And for those who hate it and still buy fancy nex stuff ,you don,t have to use it,stay at shipspinning WIS got love, enjoy your new 3 alternative domeciles. I'd rather see their resources aimed at issues the players have been asking to get fixed for years now.. We're on a roll.. Rockets, Hybrids, New Ships, Engine Trails, Anomalies, just a little more mate, you'll get your time.
Says guy in NeX shirt... |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
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Posted - 2011.12.14 19:07:00 -
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Xolve wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:since this last direction made them a patch in 6 weeks a little love for WIS doesn,t hurt FIS . And for those who hate it and still buy fancy nex stuff ,you don,t have to use it,stay at shipspinning WIS got love, enjoy your new 3 alternative domeciles. I'd rather see their resources aimed at issues the players have been asking to get fixed for years now.. We're on a roll.. Rockets, Hybrids, New Ships, Engine Trails, Anomalies, just a little more mate, you'll get your time.
Well seeing what CCP did in 6 weeks (thats what CCP stated) there are plenty recources left to keep everybody happy. I am not asking to stop the direction they have with FIS ,imagine what could happen in 6 months ,even with a small team on WIS putting WIS (not talking about Incarna) on ICE ,is one step in the wrong direction,backwards
But thats my opinion ,hopefully a lot more share the same. WIS doesn,t have to hold back FIS even if they work a little on it
grtz WIS/FIS lover oldbut
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yer mammy
Angellic Industries
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Posted - 2011.12.14 19:13:00 -
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bornaa wrote:Says guy in NeX shirt...
they were free, you know... |
Kiandoshia
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2011.12.14 19:15:00 -
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Backwards. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
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Posted - 2011.12.14 19:26:00 -
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yer mammy wrote:bornaa wrote:Says guy in NeX shirt... they were free, you know...
yes the aurum was free a make-believe the NEX is useful
but why buy those clothes if you don,t want WIS . |
yumike
Eve of Madness
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Posted - 2011.12.14 19:57:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:yer mammy wrote:bornaa wrote:Says guy in NeX shirt... they were free, you know... yes the aurum was free a make-believe the NEX is useful but why buy those clothes if you don,t want WIS .
They are an option now, Like the option or not - it's there, may as well get the marginal amount of use from it ? |
Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company
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Posted - 2011.12.14 20:01:00 -
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Eric Torset wrote:I keep seeing this come up quoted regarding Crucible, but I can't find out what it is supposed to mean. Is this a quote from a dev blog or something? I searched the forum, and everyone seems to know what "new direction" means but me. Help?
example = the gift remap
they listened to people about the way the current remaps work. they could have just said deal with it. instead they changed it for the better thanks to feed back
thats definately a new direction. |
Xolve
Epidemic.
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Posted - 2011.12.14 20:11:00 -
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oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:but why buy those clothes if you don,t want WIS .
So I can look amazing when you encounter me after having violenced your internet spaceboat, of course.
I also have boots and pants, for no other practical reason then acute OCD for black clothing (also largely because this character accrued all the 'free Aurum' giveaways from CCP and had enough to buy it).
Lady Spank for C&P Moderator.
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oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
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Posted - 2011.12.14 20:45:00 -
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Xolve wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:but why buy those clothes if you don,t want WIS . So I can look amazing when you encounter me after having violenced your internet spaceboat, of course. I also have boots and pants, for no other practical reason then acute OCD for black clothing (also largely because this character accrued all the 'free Aurum' giveaways from CCP and had enough to buy it).
lol just doing some pvp with some 0.0 friends lately so who knows you get your chance some day to turn my spaceboat into scrap ,i am not that good in pvp yet. Or maybe some day after i spam cowardly the warpbutton and manage to escape,you catch me feeling safe in a station ,you run me down the corridors and put a fist between my eyes ,just before i look at that amazing shirt of yours
is that not an appealing thought |
Nephilius
Repo.
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Posted - 2011.12.14 20:57:00 -
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Second star on the right...and straight on until morning. If you bring down a giant, you're a hero. If you kill something weak-even if it has to die-then you will endure contempt. |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
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Posted - 2011.12.14 21:03:00 -
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Rixiu wrote:CCP took eve players money for granted. Then they realised that's not the case when 8% quit in the months following incarna. Trying to get these players back is the "new direction". I've often wondered about this.
If 8% was all it needed for they to sack 20% of their staff, all but can a game and do a 180 degree change of plans on another, how precarious is the financial state?
This isn't an "EVE is dying!!" claim just an open question.
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Beaches
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.14 21:16:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Rixiu wrote:CCP took eve players money for granted. Then they realised that's not the case when 8% quit in the months following incarna. Trying to get these players back is the "new direction". I've often wondered about this. If 8% was all it needed for they to sack 20% of their staff, all but can a game and do a 180 degree change of plans on another, how precarious is the financial state? This isn't an "EVE is dying!!" claim just an open question.
Those 8% represent a lot more than 8,000 raw subscription fees, think about all the PLEX sales/use they lost in those numbers. I don't really know though, I have no numbers and am just guessing. Anyway 10% of total revenue is very substantial, especially if it continues to roll downhill which in the mmo industry could be fatal.
Also, remember how little blue posts there were before? What community management was actually going on? I'm pretty sure the fact that they would only log on to indiscriminately ban people and lock threads was telling of the general work environment of that branch. |
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Eternum Praetorian
Club Bear
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Posted - 2011.12.14 21:26:00 -
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yer mammy wrote:bornaa wrote:Says guy in NeX shirt... they were free, you know...
Of all the players in eve, I hope you are proud to look the most like a parrot.
...want a cracker?
...The cracker was ofc a lie. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
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Posted - 2011.12.14 21:31:00 -
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Beaches wrote:Those 8% represent a lot more than 8,000 raw subscription fees, think about all the PLEX sales/use they lost in those numbers. I don't really know though, I have no numbers and am just guessing. Anyway 10% of total revenue is very substantial, especially if it continues to roll downhill which in the mmo industry could be fatal.
Also, remember how little blue posts there were before? What community management was actually going on? I'm pretty sure the fact that they would only log on to indiscriminately ban people and lock threads was telling of the general work environment of that branch. Yes, I could imagine a knock on effect with alts subbed with PLEX etc. Shame we will never now know as the quarterly report has been suppressed because it's no longer a good news story.
Yes, any double digit loss of income is bad, but if that's all it took then CCP must be effectively running on empty at a corporate level, if not EVE. If I ran my business where a 10% revenue hit would put me under I would rethink what I was doing. However, you are right if they saw no end to the trend it probably would have been fatal. You don't need to lose all your customers, just enough to make your operation unsustainable.
As for the original community reps, I suspect they were being fed the same lines as the rest of us.
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Beaches
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.14 21:42:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Beaches wrote:Those 8% represent a lot more than 8,000 raw subscription fees, think about all the PLEX sales/use they lost in those numbers. I don't really know though, I have no numbers and am just guessing. Anyway 10% of total revenue is very substantial, especially if it continues to roll downhill which in the mmo industry could be fatal.
Also, remember how little blue posts there were before? What community management was actually going on? I'm pretty sure the fact that they would only log on to indiscriminately ban people and lock threads was telling of the general work environment of that branch. Yes, I could imagine a knock on effect with alts subbed with PLEX etc. Shame we will never now know as the quarterly report has been suppressed because it's no longer a good news story. Yes, any double digit loss of income is bad, but if that's all it took then CCP must be effectively running on empty at a corporate level, if not EVE. If I ran my business where a 10% revenue hit would put me under I would rethink what I was doing. However, you are right if they saw no end to the trend it probably would have been fatal. You don't need to lose all your customers, just enough to make your operation unsustainable. As for the original community reps, I suspect they were being fed the same lines as the rest of us.
Yes, but also think of how scary the MMO industry is in particular. A game is proclaimed "dead" subscription losses spiral out of control, the universe starts to empty, economy falters, game declines, very hard to retain new subscriptions, becomes really "dead". If there was another viable sandbox out there, they could have been really hurt I imagine. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.14 21:54:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Rixiu wrote:CCP took eve players money for granted. Then they realised that's not the case when 8% quit in the months following incarna. Trying to get these players back is the "new direction". I've often wondered about this. If 8% was all it needed for they to sack 20% of their staff, all but can a game and do a 180 degree change of plans on another, how precarious is the financial state? This isn't an "EVE is dying!!" claim just an open question.
They were probably trying to develop a bit too much for a studio that really only had one moderately successful MMO as a source of finance, and no other game development history afaik. |
Skinae
Hello Kitty Hug Patrol
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Posted - 2011.12.14 22:01:00 -
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The new direction is claiming things are "fixed" by increasing their DPS by 5%. |
mkint
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Posted - 2011.12.14 22:32:00 -
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Once upon a time CCP valued their players. Then they got arrogant and took on a f*ck the players attitude. There was almost no work at all on EVE for about 2 years. Players revolted, numbers plummeted, CCP sh!t bricks. Now instead of valuing no one, they value nullbear RMTers, f*ck everyone else. EVE is still broken, CCP is still broken. |
Eric Torset
Second Six Corporation
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Posted - 2011.12.14 22:53:00 -
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Any idea where I can find details on all these shenanigans? I had no idea this was going on. I left the game two years ago when a series of in-game losses became too much to recover. I was in Star Wars Galaxies when the NGE fiasco happened. This smells a little bit like that? Is EVE still bleeding players are has the "new direction" staunched the flow?
BTW For anyone who doesn't know. Star Wars Galaxies goes dark tomorrow (12/15). When it started, it was a sandbox as grand and freeform as EVE. Through bad management decisions they killed that and made a WOW-in-space clone, effectively alienating their entire user base. I've heard it got better, but alas the end is here. I really enjoyed the early days of SWG. Hopefully this little speed bump doesn't send EVE careening down the same path. |
oldbutfeelingyoung
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD Vanguard Ascendants
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Posted - 2011.12.15 22:02:00 -
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Eric Torset wrote:Any idea where I can find details on all these shenanigans? I had no idea this was going on. I left the game two years ago when a series of in-game losses became too much to recover. I was in Star Wars Galaxies when the NGE fiasco happened. This smells a little bit like that? Is EVE still bleeding players are has the "new direction" staunched the flow?
BTW For anyone who doesn't know. Star Wars Galaxies goes dark tomorrow (12/15). When it started, it was a sandbox as grand and freeform as EVE. Through bad management decisions they killed that and made a WOW-in-space clone, effectively alienating their entire user base. I've heard it got better, but alas the end is here. I really enjoyed the early days of SWG. Hopefully this little speed bump doesn't send EVE careening down the same path.
you have to search the old forum archives for that,be prepared for a very long read:
short version CCP ****** up,players unhappy ............ players begin protest by shooting a statue in Jita,Jita in constant lag..........................CCP keeps his silence,players unsubbing.............................CCP in panic.......................ccp a blog where CCP tells everybody about the company will refocus in FIS again.................................sometime later ccp introduce crubicle (new bc,new nebulae,direction orientated gates,a lot of nerfs favouring the gallentehybrids ,in only 6 weeks .yeah right) ................. Community happy for a short time ,bc of bugs and silence from CCP on unhappy threads in this forum,happy times begin to fade |
Opertone
Signal 7 The Jagged Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.15 22:09:00 -
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Devs talk on the forums more
Devs boosted Caldari - Raven, Hybrid
new little things
new direction is going where eve should have been going actually - saw it in some devblog |
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