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Gil Nutz
Tainted Knight's
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Posted - 2016.01.18 20:56:45 -
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I just wanted to take the time to explain my reasons in hopes maybe CCP will understand why this great game is on its last legs. I played eve because it wasnt like other MMO's out there. It was hard. It took time and patients to learn and to be able to fly ships. Nothing was givin to you. You had to earn it. With the soon to be release of being able to transfer character SP for real money that will no longer be the case. You wont need to take time and patients to learn the skills needed to play. You can just whip out your credit card. Gone will be the days of pride at taking the time to learn the skills to fly a ship. You wont have that sense of accomplishment anymore. Gone are the days of a good community as well. Look at all the other pay to win games out there. Those communities are toxic. And before you say eve isnt pay to win it is. The definition of pay to win is paying real money to gain advantage over people who do not pay in game. Now you may say well we have plex. Yes we have plex but that does not unbalance the game. Being allowed to transfer sp for real money does. Its no longer about training skills. It will be about how much money you can drop on skill points. Now let me explain how this will not add new people to your community. Not only are you gonna lose alot of your player base when you decide to do this but it will never have the effect you want it to. Pay to win types of people do not stick to games very long. They get bored after a month and leave. Also new people who dont want to pay after they have to pay a subscription fee will see it as a huge turn off and you will lose the majority of the small amount of new people you already dont have. As for new people who do spend. You are setting them up for failure. They have no idea how to fly the ships they just magically learned how to fly, and so they spend plex to buy said ship and then within a day or 2 they loose it. Do you honestly think the majority of those new players are gonna go spend more money???? No they wont they will leave. You will not gain new members from this. I did not agree with alot of decisions that you have made CCP but I stuck with you guys because those decisions you made did not effect the balance of the game. It did not give unfair advantages to people who have a bigger wallet. And so I will take my many years and great memories and leave with them before the game I love becomes a former shadow of what it used to be. Congrats CCP your becoming more like EA games everyday. Good bye and enjoy the game while it lasts. Eve will die because of bad choices. End rant Fly safe or dangerous. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.01.18 20:59:02 -
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Mein Augen!!!
This also belongs in OOPE. Don;t let the door hit ya, where the big Fedo split ya.
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper: 'Hodor'.
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Pesadel0
the muppets Spartan Republic
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Posted - 2016.01.18 20:59:26 -
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Damm man use punctuation . |
Pix Severus
Mew Age Outpaws
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Posted - 2016.01.18 21:02:29 -
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Gil Nutz wrote:It took time and patients to learn and to be able to fly ships.
EVE is filled with space doctors?
My lord.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
10314
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Posted - 2016.01.18 21:03:59 -
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I will give you the gift of paragraphs in exchange for all of your stuff
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
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Ordala
Loud'n'Proud
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Posted - 2016.01.18 21:04:54 -
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Can i have your stuff? |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.01.18 21:11:38 -
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Ordala wrote:Can i have your stuff?
I asked for them first, in exchange for the wonders of human-centric formatting.
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
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Ordala
Loud'n'Proud
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Posted - 2016.01.18 21:18:22 -
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Bumblefck wrote: I asked for them first, in exchange for the wonders of human-centric formatting.
A few sec befor me y, but i think after 8+ years there is enough for both of us |
Max Kurtis
Maple Moose The Bastion
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Posted - 2016.01.18 21:22:16 -
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HAppy 2016 skill for sale feature is soon here ahahahahhaha |
Soloman Jackson
Locust Assets
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Posted - 2016.01.18 21:24:34 -
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Gil Nutz wrote:I just wanted to take the time to explain my reasons in hopes maybe CCP will understand why this great game is on its last legs. I played eve because it wasnt like other MMO's out there. It was hard. It took time and patients to learn and to be able to fly ships. Nothing was givin to you. You had to earn it.
With the soon to be release of being able to transfer character SP for real money that will no longer be the case. You wont need to take time and patients to learn the skills needed to play. You can just whip out your credit card. Gone will be the days of pride at taking the time to learn the skills to fly a ship. You wont have that sense of accomplishment anymore. Gone are the days of a good community as well. Look at all the other pay to win games out there. Those communities are toxic.
And before you say eve isnt pay to win it is. The definition of pay to win is paying real money to gain advantage over people who do not pay in game. Now you may say well we have plex. Yes we have plex but that does not unbalance the game. Being allowed to transfer sp for real money does. Its no longer about training skills. It will be about how much money you can drop on skill points. Now let me explain how this will not add new people to your community. Not only are you gonna lose alot of your player base when you decide to do this but it will never have the effect you want it to. Pay to win types of people do not stick to games very long. They get bored after a month and leave. Also new people who dont want to pay after they have to pay a subscription fee will see it as a huge turn off and you will lose the majority of the small amount of new people you already dont have.
As for new people who do spend. You are setting them up for failure. They have no idea how to fly the ships they just magically learned how to fly, and so they spend plex to buy said ship and then within a day or 2 they loose it. Do you honestly think the majority of those new players are gonna go spend more money???? No they wont they will leave. You will not gain new members from this.
I did not agree with alot of decisions that you have made CCP but I stuck with you guys because those decisions you made did not effect the balance of the game. It did not give unfair advantages to people who have a bigger wallet. And so I will take my many years and great memories and leave with them before the game I love becomes a former shadow of what it used to be. Congrats CCP your becoming more like EA games everyday.
Good bye and enjoy the game while it lasts. Eve will die because of bad choices. End rant Fly safe or dangerous.
For the love of God, man. I helped you out with making your goodbye rant easier to read. Now do me a solid and contract me your stuff.
"I heard you know a thing or two, about a thing or two. Maybe we can come to an understanding..."
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Wesley Otsdarva
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.01.18 21:28:23 -
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Except you've always been able to buy skillpoints in the form of a whole new character. This just makes it better to keep character identity.
This changes nothing. Except you now don't have to buy a whole character.
EDIT: And you bought said whole character in the form of isk. Which is what plex can be used for. |
Chandelin
Chaos From Order SpaceMonkey's Alliance
22
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Posted - 2016.01.18 21:38:07 -
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Please edit your topix to state "naked chicks" or somthing better than why im leaving.
More people who are drunk will read it |
J'Poll
Perkone Caldari State
6239
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Posted - 2016.01.18 21:46:44 -
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Dude, is your return button broken?????
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J'Poll
Perkone Caldari State
6239
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Posted - 2016.01.18 21:47:32 -
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Soloman Jackson wrote:Gil Nutz wrote:I just wanted to take the time to explain my reasons in hopes maybe CCP will understand why this great game is on its last legs. I played eve because it wasnt like other MMO's out there. It was hard. It took time and patients to learn and to be able to fly ships. Nothing was givin to you. You had to earn it.
With the soon to be release of being able to transfer character SP for real money that will no longer be the case. You wont need to take time and patients to learn the skills needed to play. You can just whip out your credit card. Gone will be the days of pride at taking the time to learn the skills to fly a ship. You wont have that sense of accomplishment anymore. Gone are the days of a good community as well. Look at all the other pay to win games out there. Those communities are toxic.
And before you say eve isnt pay to win it is. The definition of pay to win is paying real money to gain advantage over people who do not pay in game. Now you may say well we have plex. Yes we have plex but that does not unbalance the game. Being allowed to transfer sp for real money does. Its no longer about training skills. It will be about how much money you can drop on skill points. Now let me explain how this will not add new people to your community. Not only are you gonna lose alot of your player base when you decide to do this but it will never have the effect you want it to. Pay to win types of people do not stick to games very long. They get bored after a month and leave. Also new people who dont want to pay after they have to pay a subscription fee will see it as a huge turn off and you will lose the majority of the small amount of new people you already dont have.
As for new people who do spend. You are setting them up for failure. They have no idea how to fly the ships they just magically learned how to fly, and so they spend plex to buy said ship and then within a day or 2 they loose it. Do you honestly think the majority of those new players are gonna go spend more money???? No they wont they will leave. You will not gain new members from this.
I did not agree with alot of decisions that you have made CCP but I stuck with you guys because those decisions you made did not effect the balance of the game. It did not give unfair advantages to people who have a bigger wallet. And so I will take my many years and great memories and leave with them before the game I love becomes a former shadow of what it used to be. Congrats CCP your becoming more like EA games everyday.
Good bye and enjoy the game while it lasts. Eve will die because of bad choices. End rant Fly safe or dangerous. For the love of God, man. I helped you out with making your goodbye rant easier to read. Now do me a solid and contract me your stuff.
When reading a reply is easier then the OP
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Hal Morsh
Hmmzor.
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Posted - 2016.01.18 21:49:51 -
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That whole "whipping out creditcard" you speak of and "newbies who don't stay", coincide.
Doesn't mean we should leave.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
2281
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Posted - 2016.01.18 21:52:36 -
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except you can't just pull out the credit card and get sp.
processes would invovle cc -> plex -> isk -> skill packets
currently you can cc -> plex -> isk -> new character
I don't know that I like the new system, but I don't have any huge major logical objections.
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Pryce Caesar
Cloak and Daggers Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2016.01.18 22:01:38 -
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Depending on how much Isk these thing will be worth in-game, it may actually deter pay to win. Plex is already 15 to 20 dollars and billions of Isk in-game, and that is just for game time. A comparative estimate for skill trading is effectively another case of game - time translating into money. 500,000 skilpoints would not be cheap, and skill time training multipliers would further diminish return as much as your current standing skill points affecting the amount of points you get upon injection.
On the professional side of things, however, I can see this being used by long time player to not only make profit by getting rid of skilpoints attached to skills they do not use anymore but also help Corp members get up to speed on skills they are training. Because of their value , I would think they would not be things sold easily to newcomers unless they are new members to a veteran Corp. They are not like PLEX that are used for game time or multi-training, but have a tangible effect on skill training (although 500,000 sp is pittance in the long run). Guys would likely go broke before getting anywhere tangible if they relied on sp injectors to train their characters. It is just a booster, not a game breaker. If they are priced like Plex (perhaps more) that WILL limit the potential for buying them en-masse. |
Snoa Avalhar
Erebus Corporation Primal Ascendancy
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Posted - 2016.01.18 22:02:03 -
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I wouldn't say it's pay-to-win necessarily.
One complaint I hear about Eve a lot from newbies is that they can't compete with the people who have been playing the game for years. A newbie's guns don't track as well and the ships don't fly as well as someone who has been constantly skill training for the last five years has. Now, of course a new player should pay their dues, but now at least it's a bit fairer on them. Now they may be more willing to go in to losec or nullsec (because they know they at least won't be totally out-skilled) instead of staying in (and eventually growing accustomed to) hisec life. And with the law of diminishing returns there is (how players with more SP get less un-allocated SP from skill injectors) it will mean new players can get a quick boost while older players won't be able to excel as quickly.
As for the skill extractors that players can fill and sell, since there are a finite number of players with a finite number of SP, even if the amount of total SP is increasing overall, an individual player won't want to drain all of their skills just for ISK. Sure, hypothetically someone could make an SP farm, but that would require either starting a new subscription or paying to train multiple pilots on one account and THEN paying for the skill extractor either with ISK or cash. It wouldn't be profitable.
So, no. I wouldn't say it's pay to win. I think the way it's been described so far will just mean that new players can jump-start the process and get them to a more intermediate level. We'll have to wait and see how it plays out though. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
3011
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Posted - 2016.01.18 22:04:54 -
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Real world awaits you. Hand over your stuffz. I demand it.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ GòáGò¼GòªGò¼Gòú - my sandcastle
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ <=X - my yacht
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
43441
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Posted - 2016.01.18 22:05:10 -
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Good luck to you OP.
Leaving is certainly the strongest way to express disappointment about a change.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
10324
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Posted - 2016.01.18 22:12:43 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:
Leaving is certainly the strongest way to express disappointment about a change.
Distributing his unwanted possessions to others prior to cutting the cord is also a powerful medium.
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
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Erotisk Folkdans
Club Autism
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Posted - 2016.01.18 22:21:55 -
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[quote=Gil Nutz]Do you honestly think the majority of those new players are gonna go spend more money???? No they wont they will leave. You will not gain new members from this. /quote]
I resubbed 6 for months immediately after reading the proposal on sp trading on the dev blog 15 oct.
Dude, sp trading will be great for everybody. New players, old players, ******** players (me). Sorry to see you go :( |
Nalia White
Tencus
152
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Posted - 2016.01.18 22:25:27 -
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While i am not sure i like this new skill point system stuff the character bazar was already a pay to win scenario so who cares? the time and patience to learn is still there and i welcome everyone that "skills" with their wallet to my little place |
NUBIARN
Brutal Ballerinas
15
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Posted - 2016.01.18 22:38:22 -
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instead of the usual can have your stuff
now "can I have your sp " !! |
Poddington Bare
Angur Therapy
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Posted - 2016.01.18 22:41:14 -
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Snoa Avalhar wrote:One complaint I hear about Eve a lot from newbies is that they can't compete with the people who have been playing the game for years.
I should hope so. Many newbies sound like the graduates I interview that expect to be appointed CEO immediately.
I strongly doubt that the major factor in combat, industry, exploration, mining or any field in Eve is the number of SP you have. SP provides access to things, and the fact that it's currently largely linear and...takes time...forces thinking and choices. That time, thinking and choices leads to experience and actual skill in playing the game.
Simply tossing the keys of the armoury to the rich kids will not bridge the gap at all. A guy who has been playing for 1 day, even if he's spent $$$ to get 200m SPs will definitely find their faction-fit Maurader up on somebody's trophy wall. All the SP transfer system is going to do is increase the number of hilarious bling kills.
You could argue that this already can happen with the character bizarre, but I think the "off-grid" nature of it (even if it is regulated) is probably a deterrent and very few new players avail themselves of it. The SP transfer thing will make it completely normal, and gradually people will feel necessary for new players. Is that really healthy for the long term future of Eve? |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1857
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Posted - 2016.01.18 22:49:57 -
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Poddington Bare wrote:The SP transfer thing will make it completely normal, and gradually people will feel necessary for new players. Is that really healthy for the long term future of Eve? Why would they feel it necessary?
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Poddington Bare
Angur Therapy
127
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Posted - 2016.01.18 22:54:55 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Why would they feel it necessary?
You know how it is. Once the genie is out of the bottle, it becomes a thing that more and more newbies/people do. Pretty soon, in order to not be killed on the undock by other newbies, you'll need it too. Arms race! |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1857
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Posted - 2016.01.18 23:09:38 -
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Poddington Bare wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Why would they feel it necessary? You know how it is. Once the genie is out of the bottle, it becomes a thing that more and more newbies/people do. Pretty soon, in order to not be killed on the undock by other newbies, you'll need it too. Arms race! So those newbies become competent via SP alone and thus are able to kill those other newbies on the undock? What undock? Why are they even being shot at? If they can freely be shot at why are there no vets popping both groups?
Since the equal 1v1 is the exception rather than the rule anyways, would you ever even be able to appreciably feel the difference? |
Poddington Bare
Angur Therapy
127
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Posted - 2016.01.18 23:15:54 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:So those newbies become competent via SP alone and thus are able to kill those other newbies on the undock? What undock? Why are they even being shot at? If they can freely be shot at why are there no vets popping both groups?
Since the equal 1v1 is the exception rather than the rule anyways, would you ever even be able to appreciably feel the difference?
Okay, okay, maybe the example I gave of being "shot on the undock" was more a metaphor than a truth. I'll not answer your other questions regarding the game mechanics, as I'm sure you already know. |
Tavin Aikisen
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
375
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Posted - 2016.01.18 23:22:21 -
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Quote: The definition of pay to win is paying real money to gain advantage over people who do not pay in game. Now you may say well we have plex.
Stopped here.
Consider this scenario: your corp (corp A) is fighting another corp (corp B). Corp B is really copping a pounding. They're out of ISK to re-ship. And are now at risk of losing their assets because they can't fight back. Corp B's leader decides to throw a few hundred (real currency) on PLEX and sells them on the in-game market for an immediate ISK cash in. He immediately buys a fleet of ships to retaliate. Corp A's leader only has the means to pay for a sub, or chooses not to spend real money on ISK.
Tell me again, how PLEX was any different to this new skill point proposal?
Disclaimer: I don't like either of them. But they're here now...
"Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home."
-Cold Wind
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