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Siri Blue
Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division
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Posted - 2007.01.27 11:01:00 -
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Edited by: Siri Blue on 27/01/2007 10:58:47 I already made another thread in the general discussions forum about the very sorry state of missions (especially couriers), mission rewards and agent offers. Linkage It'd be nice if you had a look at it Zrakor (or any else content dev maybe?)
Now as the topic states I'd love to have Non-ISK rewards back in game, they add some flair and make missions more interesting imho. As I understand it many PvP dudes do missions to bolster their PvP wallet...most do kill missions and those players hate Non-ISK rewards cause it takes time to sell the stuff they got. So maybe its possible to reintroduce Non-ISK rewards (or time bonus) for courier missions only, as probably less PvP dudes do those and courier mission players in general tend to have more time ;) Cheers
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Deus Ex'Machina
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.27 18:08:00 -
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/signed
I tried to look too far ahead And saw the road go to my past instead |
Don Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.27 18:40:00 -
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not signed
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Athanasios Anastasiou
Elite Storm Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.27 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Athanasios Anastasiou on 27/01/2007 20:27:59 This is certainly ironic. When non-isk awards were give, people whined and whined about wanting isk-only awards. Now that CCP finally listened, threads like these appear . If CCP implements this idea, any bets on how long until a thread abouts switching back to isk-only awards appears?
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Ashareth
Caldari Disturbed Hoggs
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Posted - 2007.01.27 22:02:00 -
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One of the problems with non-isk rewards is that they are not updated often enough and most of them are totally stupid and unuseful(in the wrong way, aka they don't pay ****) because prices and utility are so different than when they were put up as rewards....
Some things that were meant to sells to 10/20k isk are not worth more than 1k now, so it's bad as a reward. With isk reward you don't have this problem.:)
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Ashira Twilight
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Posted - 2007.01.27 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: Ashira Twilight on 27/01/2007 22:07:21 Sure sure, seeing 2349083425789 150mm rail Is in my hangar was neat...but all that stuff just got refined anyway. Besides, if I remember right, the isk rewards vs the items it always seemed like the isk rewards were better.
I'd rather have better storyline rewards(make them HARD, I don't care). Have them offer navy mods or something. Or maybe even have tech 2 modules as rewards, that'd be cool, and could help the tech 2 problem.
Stupid 7mil Heavy Pulse II....grrr....grumble
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Hesod Adee
Bright New Dawn Free Trade Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.28 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ashareth One of the problems with non-isk rewards is that they are not updated often enough and most of them are totally stupid and unuseful(in the wrong way, aka they don't pay ****) because prices and utility are so different than when they were put up as rewards....
Some things that were meant to sells to 10/20k isk are not worth more than 1k now, so it's bad as a reward. With isk reward you don't have this problem.:)
I found that with the trade good rewards you got about the same as you now get in ISK, if you happen to sell them to an NPC buy order. However my situation when running level 1 missions in amarr space was that I got lots of carbon. 2m^3 per unit and sold for about 600 isk 6 jumps away (npc buy orders have a range of station), or if I was lucky there was a players buy order of 100 per unit or less that I could sell to.
Frozen plant seeds from Galente space weren't too bad as there was either competition between the players hauling the seeds, or there was an NPC buy order in that station.
So I'm only going to be happy bringing those back if CCP also made the NPC buy orders have a range of region so mission runners can actually get good prices for them. Also as the lowest price on an NPC buy order is lower than the max price on an NPC sell order for that good, where the two meet in a region wouldn't be a problem.
This would also clean up a lot of the stupidly (for the seller) low prices on buy orders I see all over the place. -----------------
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Deus Ex'Machina
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.28 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ashira Twilight Edited by: Ashira Twilight on 27/01/2007 22:07:21 Sure sure, seeing 2349083425789 150mm rail Is in my hangar was neat...but all that stuff just got refined anyway. Besides, if I remember right, the isk rewards vs the items it always seemed like the isk rewards were better.
I'd rather have better storyline rewards(make them HARD, I don't care). Have them offer navy mods or something. Or maybe even have tech 2 modules as rewards, that'd be cool, and could help the tech 2 problem.
Stupid 7mil Heavy Pulse II....grrr....grumble
I agree that having frozen plant seeds as rewards was indeed retarded but the complete removal of item rewards for plain isk was more so.
Is it not more challenging to rush a level 3 mission for an amarr navy medium laser beam ( small size :O ) instead of plain isk, on ocasions?
Shure , remove the crap rewards and add isk , but DO NOT remove top end item rewards; what's the point of npc coporations now ? All factions corporations have the exact same agents with the exact same rewards , isk.
Also , it would be wise to shorten the time limit for the bonus on high value item rewards from missions. Not that these will ever be re-implemented, the isk farmers have done their jobs well.
I would have made any number of missions that involved frozen plant seeds as time bonus rewards when there was a chance of a faction item being given now and then inbetween the crappy time bonus or clasic bonus rewards.
As i stated before, what's next? Looting rats directly for isk ? Mining asteroids directly for isk ? Heck, screw all this, add a 'give me one mill isk' button and let's all join the clickfest.
This is retarted on so many levels...
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.01.28 05:56:00 -
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Would you like CCP to have to devote DEV time to constantly updating these worthless, meaningless rewards or just give you the ISK and let you buy those stupid items if you like them so badly?
Personally I hated getting those items and it hurt industrialists. People still have stockpiles of missiles/ammo from those rewards... which means they won't have to buy it from players. If they handed out non-player made items like skillbooks then I don't have an issue... but anything player made should not be given as a reward.
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Siri Blue
Gallente Duvolle Laboratories Blue Division
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Posted - 2007.01.28 06:25:00 -
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Edited by: Siri Blue on 28/01/2007 06:25:07 Edited by: Siri Blue on 28/01/2007 06:23:59 A wider variety of "rare" items like faction ammo/modules (nothing OMGWTFUBERPWN but something moderate and slightly useful) and low amounts of other interesting stuff would be nice... I don't say I want Carbon, Water and Civilian shield boosters back o_O Just Isk only is boring crap though... Some imagination by the devs would help and some dev time
If CCP wants to hire me for ideas, mission descriptions and writing new courier mission plots, I'm all yours, I got lots of imaginative energy ;) Otherwise I'd be thrilled to get at least an answer for from some dev for now...
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.28 07:50:00 -
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/signed
and usually I have found how to utilize most of the bonus, even the 500+ civilian cargo expanders
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Petrothian Tong
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.28 08:50:00 -
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/signed
never had a problem getting rid/sell/reprocess the bonus stuff...
by GOD I miss the skillbooks rewards...
and the T2 components/tools rewards... -- Today my drones attacked a brothel without even being told too.
Either they objected to the establishment or they heard about the hot drinks machine in there...
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Elerie Dana
Paxton Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.28 09:23:00 -
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NOT signed.
I run missions a lot, all the extra loot was good for was reprocessing. As to the person who suggested putting up regional NPC buy orders, that would destroy the NPC trading market. If you want ammo etc. use the isk to buy it and support those players who make their living by producing it.
In regards to faction/T2 items that could be aquired. NO to getting them for doing a mission, yes to getting them as LP rewards. This should also be the source of implants etc. Before these were removed as rewards the implant's had lost a great deal of value, now they are slowly coming back up.
To sum it up, leave mission rewards as isk only. Give some love however to the variety and usefulness of LP rewards.
Wives ? Girlfriends ? what are they , they fit in a high-slot or something ?
Your wallet = ISK Wives/girlfriends = raven with 8 nos that only works on your wallet.
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Tirg
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.01.28 12:37:00 -
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