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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.02.05 21:53:59 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Damjan Fox wrote:So, considering all the numbers, a Skill Injector should be around 600 mil ISK on the market. Where does the additional 400m come from? I think this is going to be a matter of how much people value their own time above anything else. And as the past has taught us time and time again, people often don't value it all that much.
An injector will have 500,000 SP. That has value. What? You thought people would sell you their SP for nothing?
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.02.05 21:54:48 -
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Dibz wrote:Wow. I wanted to transfer 15M off one character and give them to an alt (minus the 20% penalty). That would need 30 extractors, at a total cost of 24000 aurum, or roughly -ú100. -ú100! Are you serious?
But, but, but....we were told we WOULD buy them. Guess not.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.02.05 21:57:09 -
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Damjan Fox wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:I think this is going to be a matter of how much people value their own time above anything else. And as the past has taught us time and time again, people often don't value it all that much. True. My calculation was just a rough estimate based on Alts being used for SP farming. 1 PLEX = 1,237,000,000 ISK = 3,500 Aurum 1 Extractor = 800 Aurum (minimum) ~ 283,000,000 ISK You can get around 2 mil SP per month with a perfect Remap and +5 implants. So 500,000 SP cost 1/4 PLEX (in training time), or ~ 310,000,000 ISK. So, 283 mil for the Extractor and 310 mil in training time plus fees and tax, around 600 mil. But we will see, where prices stabilize in the end.
And you think everyone is going to base their price on perfect training? Like perfect competition in economics?
My guess is 600 million is the lower bound/long run price. The short run price will be somewhere above that.
Oh and since we only live in the short run, don't expect to see the price at 600 million all too much.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1893
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Posted - 2016.02.05 21:58:15 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Dibz wrote:Wow. I wanted to transfer 15M off one character and give them to an alt (minus the 20% penalty). That would need 30 extractors, at a total cost of 24000 aurum, or roughly -ú100. -ú100! Are you serious? Of course they are. They know that they will be losing server population and subscriptions with this feature. "Skillqueue online" has just been shot in the head, and "Raven levelers" have been shown a way to turn EVE into a three-monther. At those prices skillqueue online just got more attractive, not less.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.02.05 22:07:17 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Where does the additional 400m come from?
Cost of Extractor, in AUR, can be transformed into ISK. But in order to train the 500,000 skillpoints in the first place, you need a subscription, so 500,000 SP requires 9 days or so = another portion of a PLEX = more ISK cost.
Depending on which AUR packages and which subscription plans are used, there's some wiggle room when calculating exactly what fraction of a PLEX it all comes down to. But it's about half a PLEX or thereabouts, so 600m or so.
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Memphis Baas
1046
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Posted - 2016.02.05 22:09:36 -
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Dibz wrote:I wanted to transfer 15M off one character and give them to an alt (minus the 20% penalty). That would need 30 extractors, at a total cost of 24000 aurum, or roughly -ú100. -ú100! Are you serious?
And here we go. All the posters who were giving example after example of "rich kids" ruining the game by being oh so willing to spend this much... where are you? Come, post your examples again, only with numbers this time.
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Jenn aSide
Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore
13535
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Posted - 2016.02.05 22:27:07 -
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Still don't like it, but hey, looks like the prices might offer some form of balance. We'll see. |
Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.02.05 22:32:25 -
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Just like with the proliferation of super-capitals, though, it's only for a while. The price will only mitigate it until we all get our SP farm alts cranking out injectors.
CCP will have to re-evaluate their new player experience next, cause the measly 10 million ISK they can make from the career agents won't be worth much in the near future. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.02.05 22:43:44 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Just like with the proliferation of super-capitals, though, it's only for a while. The price will only mitigate it until we all get our SP farm alts cranking out injectors.
CCP will have to re-evaluate their new player experience next, cause the measly 10 million ISK they can make from the career agents won't be worth much in the near future.
You can't win this one on volume. The economies of scale are constant.
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Dyllan Ma'tar
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
6
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Posted - 2016.02.06 00:21:12 -
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Dyllan Ma'tar wrote:What I wish for and would make good horse sense? 500 AUR
What I expect and sounds like CCP sense? 1000 AUR
Nightmare Mode? 2500 AUR
Oooooooh, 1 AUR off.
> Do not stubbornly rebel against the ways of the world. Do not mindlessly follow the ways of the world. Think lightly of yourself and think deeply of the world. You can abandon your own body, but never let go of your honor. Miyamoto Musashi, Dokkodo
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2153
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Posted - 2016.02.06 00:31:28 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Just like with the proliferation of super-capitals, though, it's only for a while. The price will only mitigate it until we all get our SP farm alts cranking out injectors.
CCP will have to re-evaluate their new player experience next, cause the measly 10 million ISK they can make from the career agents won't be worth much in the near future. You have to pay double the price for SP with injectors compared to regular training (without margin, just the money you have to give CCP for it).
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.02.06 00:35:05 -
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Dyllan Ma'tar wrote:Dyllan Ma'tar wrote:What I wish for and would make good horse sense? 500 AUR
What I expect and sounds like CCP sense? 1000 AUR
Nightmare Mode? 2500 AUR Oooooooh, 1 AUR off.
Yeah that was a very good guess.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.02.06 00:38:19 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:Just like with the proliferation of super-capitals, though, it's only for a while. The price will only mitigate it until we all get our SP farm alts cranking out injectors.
CCP will have to re-evaluate their new player experience next, cause the measly 10 million ISK they can make from the career agents won't be worth much in the near future. You have to pay double the price for SP with injectors compared to regular training (without margin, just the money you have to give CCP for it).
And the problem is that the costs scale linearly with the number of alts you are farming SP on. At best the price is 600 million for an injector. So if you want to shave off a month of training time you'll have to spend 1.8 billion ISK or about 1.5 PLEX.
You might be better off buying a PLEX start up the dual training buy the injectors and then inject the SP into your own character at the end of a month.
But those SP will not make it onto the market meaning...a thin market.
Or maybe this will lead to a niche in the character bazaar, 5 million SP starter characters for 2.5-3 billion ISK.
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Father Manlove
Viziam Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2016.02.06 00:57:54 -
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Looks like they're straight up deleting threads on this now. Wonder how long this one will last... |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
591
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Posted - 2016.02.06 01:16:19 -
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Father Manlove wrote:Looks like they're straight up deleting threads on this now. Wonder how long this one will last...
I noticed. Not that this ragequit-thread they deleted was worth anything, but I thought the usual practice was to just move them to out of pod experience. CCP at their worst again. It's been a while, hasn't it? |
Annemariela Antonela
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out. Minmatar Republic Marines
327
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Posted - 2016.02.06 01:25:12 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Father Manlove wrote:Looks like they're straight up deleting threads on this now. Wonder how long this one will last... I noticed. Not that this ragequit-thread they deleted was worth anything, but I thought the usual practice was to just move them to out of pod experience. CCP at their worst again. It's been a while, hasn't it?
I lost a perfectly good pre-lock joke in that thread.
*sniff*
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Father Manlove
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.02.06 01:26:54 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Father Manlove wrote:Looks like they're straight up deleting threads on this now. Wonder how long this one will last... I noticed. Not that this ragequit-thread they deleted was worth anything, but I thought the usual practice was to just move them to out of pod experience. CCP at their worst again. It's been a while, hasn't it?
Yup. No moving, no trace of the thread whatsoever. Just 404'd when trying to link to it. Nice, CCP. Classy. |
Mara A'more
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2016.02.06 01:37:22 -
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I don't know why they bother, if someone wants to read the thread, they will on eve search. |
Thorian Baalnorn
Bad Influence I N G L O R I O U S
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Posted - 2016.02.06 01:41:39 -
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Based on my calculations, injectors will cost around 900 million to 1 bil starting and then drop to around 700 million as the market stabilizes. Possibly 600-650 mil but thats more hopeful than realistic.
Shooting Structures = PVP Mining
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Memphis Baas
1049
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Posted - 2016.02.06 01:53:58 -
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I expect they'll be more than that, to start with, simply because if you get bought out by someone trying to manipulate the market, you may have reservations about extracting more skillpoints to counter the guy, because you'd be extracting from the "good" skills. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26843
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Posted - 2016.02.06 08:10:45 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:You can't win this one on volume. The economies of scale are constant. Not entirely. Mass-purchases of AUR and PLEX gives you lower prices on both, but sure, there's an upper bound to how much cheaper they can get from volume.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4294
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Posted - 2016.02.06 08:26:59 -
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Look at it this way.
Pay 1 PLEX, get 1 month game time + 1.5-1.6 mil SP (on average, because you probably won't always have perfect remaps and +5 learning implants).
Pay 2 PLEX, get 1 month game time + 2.5-2.6 mil SP (assuming a PLEX will buy you 2 extractors, also leveraging on perfect remaps and implants of the SP farmers).
So double the monthly sub price will get you +65% SP boost. Not too bad, maybe? 5 to 50 mil SP characters get a +50% boost.
Also consider that you can now play for free, no ISK grinding required, just by having a min-maxed remap of any kind and training any skill that matches it. You'll maybe have to add 50-100 mil ISK/month if you don't have the learning implants to compete with the SP farmer prices.
Make space glamorous!
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
4727
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Posted - 2016.02.06 08:55:36 -
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I await in anticipation the killmails on which injectors will show up.
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Lasse R Farnsworth
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
13
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Posted - 2016.02.06 08:57:43 -
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Well the prices are up and I'm pissed ..
Ironically I just ragelogged from Planetside 2 because f their stupid "join now" buy this gun but it dosn't align with our cash pakets after finding out that after spending 50 Gé¼ that I will have left around 90 Cents I NEVER EVER will be able to spend. Now I startet to look at the AUR Shop in EVE and I will never ever be able to spend any amount of money without having AUR left. I mean even with doing spreadsheets I will not be able to buy say 2 injectors and 2 skinns and then be done.
There are reasons why STEAM, AMAZON and IKEA are so sucessfull. They MAKE IT EASY for their customers to do SMALL buys with them. I have 5 Gé¼ here ... give me something for it without feeling bad. I'm in RvB .. would love to just buy a blue skin for the ship I'm flying. I would LOVE to pay a small fee for the skill I NEED RIGHT NOW. I DON't want to jump through burning rings just to give you some money.
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Baelok The Bastard
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2016.02.06 09:07:41 -
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Lasse R Farnsworth wrote:Well the prices are up and I'm pissed ..
Is it me, but I could not find the prices......
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Cixi
23
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Posted - 2016.02.06 09:09:06 -
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I'm happy with the prices, I though they would be 2000 but finally 800 if you are serious about it, that's perfect. |
Kalgeroth
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2016.02.06 09:20:06 -
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Marcus Sablemane
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.02.06 09:22:39 -
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Guess I was too optimistic about 450 per, which would have lined up with 900 AUR for two.
Oh well. |
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
770
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Posted - 2016.02.06 09:32:30 -
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DaReaper wrote:if ccp is smart it will cost $5. or a bit less (no less then 2.50)
if they are not smart, it will cost $20 or 1 plex worth of aurum
Tiddle Jr wrote: 1000 AUR
gratz DaReaper and myself with most accurate forecast...
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
494
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Posted - 2016.02.06 14:31:17 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:[quote=Indahmawar Fazmarai]]skillqueue online just got more attractive, not less.
How do you figure?
I thought skill queue online referred to people who kept subbed just to queue skills. They didn't want to drop the sub because that would stop training. Now if you're not playing, drop the subscription - you can always buy the SP if you decide to come back to the game.
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