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Luthor Ikkala
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.29 08:13:17 -
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Hey there fellow industrialists!
Been looking around for info about med citadel. Have i understood it correcrtly that im not able to fit factory in it? |
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.01.29 13:29:18 -
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Luthor Ikkala wrote:Hey there fellow industrialists!
Been looking around for info about med citadel. Have i understood it correcrtly that im not able to fit factory in it?
yes, no, sort of
The factory service module will not be released until the second structure release in the fall, when Assembly arrays and Research hubs are released. At that point the service module will go into a Citadel, but it isn't that you can't fit it in a citadel, it is more that it won't be in the game until Assembly arrays are put in, and at that point, why would you want to build unbonused? |
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.01.29 16:01:30 -
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Hmmmmm....
I thought the 'Assembly Array' was the 'Factory' Structure (Citadel equivalent)?
ie there won't be a new 'Service Module' to add to an existing Citadel; one of the reasons being that it will have its own set of rigs and be specailised.
Citadels and then:
- Assembly Arrays (replaces all POS-based building arrays and eventually Factory outposts); - Mining Arrays (moon mining); - Research Arrays (replacing all POS Labs and Caldari(sic) outposts); - & 'Gates' (replacing JBs)
plus others?
Or am I wrong? |
Selaria Unbertable
Bellator in Capsulam
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Posted - 2016.01.29 18:44:37 -
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Marcus Tedric wrote:Hmmmmm.... I thought the 'Assembly Array' was the 'Factory' Structure (Citadel equivalent)? ie there won't be a new 'Service Module' to add to an existing Citadel; one of the reasons being that it will have its own set of rigs and be specailised. Citadels and then: - Assembly Arrays (replaces all POS-based building arrays and eventually Factory outposts); - Mining Arrays (moon mining); - Research Arrays (replacing all POS Labs and Caldari(sic) outposts); - & 'Gates' (replacing JBs) plus others? Or am I wrong?
Don't thinks so. That's what I recall from all those dev blogs too. Specialized structures for specific tasks, each one probably bonused for certain service modules. But we'll see, only time will tell... |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
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Posted - 2016.01.29 21:44:24 -
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Didn't CCP said they want to release a bunch of modules together with the new citadels?
This sounds as if we're getting them in the Spring already.
Also didn't CCP want to release all three basic citadels (medium, large and huge) together, or at least in short order?
That's why the Spring expansion is called "Citadels", after all. Right? |
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.01.30 02:58:46 -
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OK, lemme break it down
9 new structures
Citadels are the first
They are set up like ships, High, med, low slots, plus rig slots
PLUS, they have service module slots - the bigger the structure - the more service slots it has. These are also the ONLY thing that takes fuel to use.
The service modules being released day 1 are as follows: Reprocessing Compression Market Cloning
The following service module will be released later and are CLEARLY laid out in the initial dev blog Manufacturing - but they are pretty granular - no, I won't explain - read the damn blog |
Luthor Ikkala
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.01.30 08:31:28 -
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I read the blog and thats why om here asking and hoping someone could have more in detail idea or knowledge about the service modules i can fit into med citadel. From the blog i got the impression i could t fit factory module into med citadel. |
Incestuous Criticism
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Posted - 2016.01.30 13:09:12 -
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Well this is interesting and timely thread. So there will be modules for moon harvesting which would indicate that a citadel will need to be assembled at every moon to replace POS. Do other people understand this the way I do or am I off track.
For some reason I thought citadel will be like a station (yep) and then modules can be used as independent structures, therefore like Mobile Depots, setup near a moon and away they go which means the actual citadel had no requirement to be near moons.
I guess I will just have to wait and see. |
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.01.30 20:12:17 -
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Luthor Ikkala wrote:I read the blog and thats why om here asking and hoping someone could have more in detail idea or knowledge about the service modules i can fit into med citadel. From the blog i got the impression i could t fit factory module into med citadel.
FFS I NEVER said you couldn't fit one, what i said is there won't be one in game to fit in it
There is a distinct difference
The actual module won't be released in game until the assembly arrays are released. At that point installing one in a citadel is just a waste of isk, but you can do it if you are so inclined. |
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.01.30 20:13:37 -
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Incestuous Criticism wrote:Well this is interesting and timely thread. So there will be modules for moon harvesting which would indicate that a citadel will need to be assembled at every moon to replace POS. Do other people understand this the way I do or am I off track.
For some reason I thought citadel will be like a station (yep) and then modules can be used as independent structures, therefore like Mobile Depots, setup near a moon and away they go which means the actual citadel had no requirement to be near moons.
I guess I will just have to wait and see.
**** Disregard - there is another post on the same subject and it just contains speculation. Looks like no information is available at this stage that has clear answers. ****
No moon module have been announced yet, only the original blog with the concept of what a drilling platform does
The original dev blog is INCREDIBLY clear - look up drilling platforms |
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5704
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Posted - 2016.01.31 05:40:37 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:The original dev blog is INCREDIBLY clear - look up drilling platforms https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6303598#post6303598 |
Incestuous Criticism
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Posted - 2016.01.31 21:42:14 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:Incestuous Criticism wrote:Well this is interesting and timely thread. So there will be modules for moon harvesting which would indicate that a citadel will need to be assembled at every moon to replace POS. Do other people understand this the way I do or am I off track.
For some reason I thought citadel will be like a station (yep) and then modules can be used as independent structures, therefore like Mobile Depots, setup near a moon and away they go which means the actual citadel had no requirement to be near moons.
I guess I will just have to wait and see.
**** Disregard - there is another post on the same subject and it just contains speculation. Looks like no information is available at this stage that has clear answers. **** No moon module have been announced yet, only the original blog with the concept of what a drilling platform does The original dev blog is INCREDIBLY clear - look up drilling platforms
You are a special monkey then. A concept of a drilling platform is just that a concept. It maybe clear that this is what they are considering, but it is not clear the what, how, when and how much side of things. |
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
325
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Posted - 2016.01.31 23:24:52 -
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Incestuous Criticism wrote:Kenneth Feld wrote:Incestuous Criticism wrote:Well this is interesting and timely thread. So there will be modules for moon harvesting which would indicate that a citadel will need to be assembled at every moon to replace POS. Do other people understand this the way I do or am I off track.
For some reason I thought citadel will be like a station (yep) and then modules can be used as independent structures, therefore like Mobile Depots, setup near a moon and away they go which means the actual citadel had no requirement to be near moons.
I guess I will just have to wait and see.
**** Disregard - there is another post on the same subject and it just contains speculation. Looks like no information is available at this stage that has clear answers. **** No moon module have been announced yet, only the original blog with the concept of what a drilling platform does The original dev blog is INCREDIBLY clear - look up drilling platforms You are a special monkey then. A concept of a drilling platform is just that a concept. It maybe clear that this is what they are considering, but it is not clear the what, how, when and how much side of things.
The part that is clear is that it won't be citadels as the OP was asking about
That being said, the mechanic for passive income will most likely be shifting to active
We have been discussing it informally on slack, but it is still approx 12 months away most likely
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erg cz
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
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Posted - 2016.02.01 09:41:30 -
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Right now T3 stuff requires POS to be invented. If medium citadels will not allow to use service modules needed, we will see T3 prices going up...
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Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
325
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Posted - 2016.02.01 11:26:53 -
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erg cz wrote:Right now T3 stuff requires POS to be invented. If medium citadels will not allow to use service modules needed, we will see T3 prices going up...
Why?
POS aren't going anywhere Outposts aren't going anywhere Statoins aren't changing....
What arbitrary thing could possibly cause T3 to rise?
If you are talking about the eventual removal of POS and Outpost, neither will be removed until ALL features are duplicated. Citadels are the first of 9 new structures, the research hubs will have research, invention, copying etc available.
I would estime pos removal sometime in 2018 if i had to guess.... |
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
56
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Posted - 2016.02.01 13:47:40 -
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Source - EVE Vegas Citadel presentation - [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vymoCsyakRk[/url]
- Citadels
Assembly Arrays; Drilling Platforms; Laboratories; Observatories; Administration Hubs; Gates; & Advertisement Centres
We're only getting the first in the Spring (May?) Expansion |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5709
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Posted - 2016.02.01 20:45:01 -
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Someone recently reminded me that not all modules are available for all citadels.
Announced Service Modules * Market Hub (Only Large and X-Large? Looking for confirmation.) * Cloning Center * Reprocessing Plant * Compression Plant
Manufacturing service modules are not expected until fall. |
Haffsol
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Posted - 2016.02.01 22:20:10 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:* Market Hub (Only Large and X-Large? Looking for confirmation.) Should be confirmed, at least that's what they said at EVE Vegas. All those modules come with the respective rigs too, which are finally those that should make the real difference, as it is now for instance for refineries in high, low and null, but for the market too. An XL rig on a market hub will be able to reduce fees below NPC stations in highsec (or L citadels).
They also said that the next service modules to be introduced will be Assembly Arrays and Labs since there is not much to decide about how they are to be used, but also that they're going to introduce other modules in 2016. All the new things, like the Observatories and more fancy stuff, that's scheduled for 2017.
So yeah for indy dudes the fall expansion already looks at least as juicy as the spring one. Nerdy year ahead.
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erg cz
Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords
394
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Posted - 2016.02.04 13:22:20 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:erg cz wrote:Right now T3 stuff requires POS to be invented. If medium citadels will not allow to use service modules needed, we will see T3 prices going up... Why? POS aren't going anywhere Outposts aren't going anywhere Statoins aren't changing.... What arbitrary thing could possibly cause T3 to rise? If you are talking about the eventual removal of POS and Outpost, neither will be removed until ALL features are duplicated. Citadels are the first of 9 new structures, the research hubs will have research, invention, copying etc available. I would estime pos removal sometime in 2018 if i had to guess....
POS will be replaced by citadels.
Here you can see, that there is no possibility to have research lab in medium citadel. So small manufactors will be out of the game. You need to invest 8-10 bilion ISK to be able to produce T3 in large citadel.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1795
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Posted - 2016.02.04 18:16:01 -
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erg cz wrote:Kenneth Feld wrote:erg cz wrote:Right now T3 stuff requires POS to be invented. If medium citadels will not allow to use service modules needed, we will see T3 prices going up... Why? POS aren't going anywhere Outposts aren't going anywhere Statoins aren't changing.... What arbitrary thing could possibly cause T3 to rise? If you are talking about the eventual removal of POS and Outpost, neither will be removed until ALL features are duplicated. Citadels are the first of 9 new structures, the research hubs will have research, invention, copying etc available. I would estime pos removal sometime in 2018 if i had to guess.... POS will be replaced by citadels. Here you can see, that there is no possibility to have research lab in medium citadel. So small manufactors will be out of the game. You need to invest 8-10 bilion ISK to be able to produce T3 in large citadel.
POS will be replaced by new structures (not specifically citadels) EVENTUALLY.
I don't understand what is so ******* difficult about this. They very clearly said that POS will not be removed until their functionality has been sufficiently duplicated under the new structure model.
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Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.02.04 21:34:53 -
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erg cz wrote:Kenneth Feld wrote:erg cz wrote:Right now T3 stuff requires POS to be invented. If medium citadels will not allow to use service modules needed, we will see T3 prices going up... Why? POS aren't going anywhere Outposts aren't going anywhere Statoins aren't changing.... What arbitrary thing could possibly cause T3 to rise? If you are talking about the eventual removal of POS and Outpost, neither will be removed until ALL features are duplicated. Citadels are the first of 9 new structures, the research hubs will have research, invention, copying etc available. I would estime pos removal sometime in 2018 if i had to guess.... POS will be replaced by citadels. Here you can see, that there is no possibility to have research lab in medium citadel. So small manufactors will be out of the game. You need to invest 8-10 bilion ISK to be able to produce T3 in large citadel.
NO NO NO NO NO and you are just plain wrong
POS are not being replaced by anything, they are being removed from the game - think 2018
You build in assembly arrays - think fall 2017 You research, invent, copy etc in research labs - think fall 2017
There are 9 new structures, Citadels are the first and are meant to be market hubs
POS or Outposts won't be removed until ALL of their features are duplicated in a new structure, which may be a citadel or one of the other 8 new structures. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5722
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Posted - 2016.02.05 00:44:51 -
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erg cz wrote:POS will be replaced by citadels. Here you can see, that there is no possibility to have research lab in medium citadel. So small manufactors will be out of the game. You need to invest 8-10 bilion ISK to be able to produce T3 in large citadel. Now I get why the tinfoil-hat crowd have their undergarments knotted.
See, that is what they call in the biz a "work in progress", or WIP, and "Don't tell your mom!"
One can't very well expect that EVERY detail is available in advance for dev blog or presentation graphics.
Nothing is set in stone until it hits Tranquility, and even then there can be adjustments. When things reach Singularity (or Duality or ... ), then there can be actual evaluation and feedback. |
Max Fubarticus
The Scope Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2016.02.07 16:13:40 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:erg cz wrote:Right now T3 stuff requires POS to be invented. If medium citadels will not allow to use service modules needed, we will see T3 prices going up... Why? POS aren't going anywhere Outposts aren't going anywhere Statoins aren't changing.... What arbitrary thing could possibly cause T3 to rise? If you are talking about the eventual removal of POS and Outpost, neither will be removed until ALL features are duplicated. Citadels are the first of 9 new structures, the research hubs will have research, invention, copying etc available. I would estime pos removal sometime in 2018 if i had to guess....
Exactly! Thanks for making that clear. Often times people put the cart ahead of the horse.
Max
Civil discourse is uniquely human. After all, when is the last time a pride of lions and a herd of water buffalo negotiated SOV over a watering hole? Never.
Someone either gets their ass kicked or eaten. At the end of the day someone holds SOV.
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Morn Hylund
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.04.24 19:41:55 -
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erg cz wrote:POS will be replaced by citadels. Here you can see, that there is no possibility to have research lab in medium citadel. So small manufactors will be out of the game. You need to invest 8-10 bilion ISK to be able to produce T3 in large citadel.
Is this misinformation or actually true? So when the new service modules for labs come out, they will only be available for large+ citadels?
Seems like it would curtail a lot of activity in wormhole space for small corporations or independent players ... |
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
68
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Posted - 2016.04.25 13:38:23 -
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Morn Hylund wrote:erg cz wrote:POS will be replaced by citadels. Here you can see, that there is no possibility to have research lab in medium citadel. So small manufactors will be out of the game. You need to invest 8-10 bilion ISK to be able to produce T3 in large citadel. Is this misinformation or actually true? So when the new service modules for labs come out, they will only be available for large+ citadels? Seems like it would curtail a lot of activity in wormhole space for small corporations or independent players ...
TBH - not 100% sure...yet
Firstly; during the Structures presentation on Saturday CCP (dear old Fozzie in this case) stated that the, previously separate, Assembly Arrays and Research Stations would be combined as Industry Arrays (Fall 16 iirc).
So - given that the 'Medium' version of this would be able to build anything Sub-cap; then I would be surprised if a Research Module couldn't be fitted.
That said - it still could be that, like the Market Module, then a Research Module could also be restricted to Large & XL.
TBF - given your comment, I would be surprised if BPOs were taken into WHs given their potential for loss - copies made in HS where the BPOs will be even safer now due to the 'recovery mechanic' is much more likely.
Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
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Morn Hylund
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2016.04.28 18:44:35 -
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Marcus Tedric wrote:
TBH - not 100% sure...yet
Firstly; during the Structures presentation on Saturday CCP (dear old Fozzie in this case) stated that the, previously separate, Assembly Arrays and Research Stations would be combined as Industry Arrays (Fall 16 iirc).
So - given that the 'Medium' version of this would be able to build anything Sub-cap; then I would be surprised if a Research Module couldn't be fitted.
That said - it still could be that, like the Market Module, then a Research Module could also be restricted to Large & XL.
TBF - given your comment, I would be surprised if BPOs were taken into WHs given their potential for loss - copies made in HS where the BPOs will be even safer now due to the 'recovery mechanic' is much more likely.
FYI, just watched Eve Fanfest presentation on Structures, CCP Fozzie presenting. Interesting enough the new Industrial Arrays targeted for Fall? release will include Research - not just Manufacturing. And on the slide it states will be deployable on M Citadels.
Also Fozzie stated there will likely by separate Arrays for Research to specialize even further, in the future (probably not until next year).
So ... there you go. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
6018
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Posted - 2016.04.28 20:49:24 -
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There are two common threads that are getting confused.
CCP stated: * Assembly and Mining structures (moon mining & reactions specifically mentioned) are coming. * Citadels may be getting equivalent service modules & rigs, but they won't be as good as the specialized structures, |
maniac69uk
Mining Company The Suicidal Spaceship Squadron
2
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Posted - 2016.05.13 16:33:43 -
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Does anyone know when the compression plant is going to be inserted into the game? |
Marcus Tedric
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
71
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Posted - 2016.05.13 18:33:41 -
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maniac69uk wrote:Does anyone know when the compression plant is going to be inserted into the game?
It already has been!
The planned Reprocessing and Compression Modules for Citadels (and the future other structures) were combined into a single module: "Standup Reprocessing Facility I"
The blurb of which states: "The Standup Reprocessing Facility is a service module that allows the use of a reprocessing and compression facilities when installed into an Upwell technology structure. The default reprocessing rate is 50%, which may be further enhanced by the use of Standup rigs.
Standup is a proprietary system that uses a Structure Autonomous Nanoassembly Device (Upwell) containing integrated template software, a nanoassembler array and sufficient nanomass to enable the construction of a variety of service modules, structure modules and structure rigs when inserted into the appropriate slots on a structure built with Upwell technology."
{The bold and underline are mine}
The interesting thing to note, therefore, is that there are no charges/taxes for compression - which is quite the game-changer!
Don't soil your panties, you guys made a good point, we'll look at the numbers again. - CCP Ytterbium
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maniac69uk
Mining Company The Suicidal Spaceship Squadron
2
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Posted - 2016.05.13 20:19:06 -
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Thanks... was scouring the market for a compression plant.... doh! |
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